I'm telling you ZQuixtoix is as cracked as he is jacked, i saw him at 7/11 the other day buying adult diapers & a 6 pack of redbull. I asked what the diapers were for and he said “they are to contain my full power so i dont absolutely shit on these nerds” then he TP'd to lane.
Late to lane must be one of the most annoying things people do, loses the lane because of the first minute they weren't there. Enemy team gets a level ahead of you, you burn through your resources to recover from the 2vs1 and boom, your lane phase is destroyed.
Yep. And in some extreme cases the support then arrives with some mad aggro as level 1 vs lvl 2's, dies, flames you and leaves the lane. Recipe for griefing 101.
@@joaomartinspersonalteacher859 u just have to accept that u are 1v2ing and not even try to creep aggro, hide in trees and suck xp til ur support arrives, EVEN if they deny every creep, u are still getting the same xp as them, if they miss 1 deny, u are ahead in xp
It's crazy how complex dota is. Imagine showing this to someone who doesn't play dota and explaining that this only covers one part of one role's job in the first 3 minutes of the game.
I need to send that opening to my friends lol. He gives me grief for not getting bounties, and I'm like, I have a carry to protect. That bounty is useless.
The bounty is not "useless" its simply not a priority. Each bounty gives 200g+ and it increases each time. It's best collected during a rotation or when any hero can swiftly farm the jungle.
Bounties are great. I find only poor performing teams consider them useless. I usually end up plucking 1000g worth from their jungle bc they ignore them. Doesn't mean you have to die for every bounty but that's the other extreme.
Bounty is important but less priority than risking yor life. Just imagine giving the first blood to enemy just because you want to contest the bounty rune so badly. Its a +400 gold already to the opposing team
In regards to rushing out of the base, i watched Sneyking pop smoke and buy brown boots to rush out faster. He brought his courier with him, dropped the boots outside of the base and sent the boots back to the fountain to sell with his courier. Was epic warding.
thats actually genius and you can always rush your items on your courier afterwards. Where did he exactly drop the boots? I feel like this should be a really tight timing for the 10 seconds money back
On radiant I do boots smoke ward high ground mid t1/ancient and then sell at secret shop. And that ward is like 75% first blood guaranteed at my level. Definitely lower at higher levels.
I tried it on a few games and i found that dropping it outside of t3 and making the courier pick it up is nice. On radiant side, I plant ward on left side near dire t1 tower, or if there's a pudge on the cliff triangle. On dire I plant it at high ground near hardcamp. Props to sneyking for coming up with this high iq strat
I haven't made mistakes because I'm perfect but I liked and subscribed anyways 😊 Jokes aside，I think another common mistake is being too reckless and then dying in lane when tp is on cooldown (eg after tp to lane from far away bounty rune)
A tip for lower ranks... Deward the common spots and if you're never finding wards start dewarding atypically. Only ward typically if you're going to have control of an area with your team, otherwise just out of typical sentry range is a better choice most times. Don't forget to flame your carries for removing latent enemy sentries and getting you dewarded 😂
Warding is like, the one thing i think i do right in this game, and something that just gets under my skin, when i already have a sentry covering an area with a cliff, and then someone else wastes a sentry to put it on the cliff. but also, i am absolutely guilty of going for the 3min bounty rune
Hehe just wanna show my appreciation for your guides. I have been a subscriber and have followed your guides for a while now. Anyway, I was able to increase my rank from Crusader hell to Ancient II--although I feel like my real rank is only Legend. I definitely feel the skill gap in Ancient and am actually wishing I lose more games to go back to Legend. Haha
Well, I always put sentry wards first before observer wards as I’m a new player to Dora2, but I’m leaving like to this video anyways because you are funny
I would love tips for mid and late game. My legend games often go 50+ minutes even when we’re up 10k+ net worth. Sometimes a cm gets hooked by pudge, sometimes we got caught by bbs. It works vice versa as well, but I just wish for a clean game 80% of the time.
Love your content Zaq but you were MADE to play Viscous in DEADLOCK. Give it a SHOT and who knows, maybe even make a little DEADLOCK SUPPORT CONTENT! It would CERTAINLY go a long way I'm sure. All the best.
Question on dewarding. Sometime when i deward, i die, in the time i hit the ward. Is it better sometimes to just put a sentry, see there's a ward, and just run away, warning your team, there is vision in this place ? Or is it ever worth it to potentially sacrifice your life, dewarding it ? It happens very often when you're under siege and try go give some vision to your team.
When de-warding, assume the enemy has vision. This means they see you coming up to de-ward + the time it takes to actually de-ward. Many support players choose dangerous times to ward/de-ward which is why they end up dying, so good map awareness will help you choose the right time to check dangerous areas (because you know the enemy is somewhere else or you have teammates protecting you). When it comes to major teamfights, it can be worth it to take time to de-ward, but it's probably not worth dying for if you can help it. Especially the wards that often get placed for high ground sieges. It may be your base but it is NOT safe to go for those. You should assume they are willing to jump whoever goes for the ward and you have to be willing to take that fight. Otherwise just approach the fight KNOWING they have vision of you and act accordingly
What is your advice for a game where my team wants to immediately group around (for example) top lane, while I'm supporting bottom? How do I balance my early warding with being present for my team?
true as a support or a core, I really hate especially first bounty rune war, because it's too risky and just for fricking 40-80 gold wtf??????? I don't fricking care my teammates blame me for afking in my tower lane rather than taking first bounty rune I don't want to trade my 10-50% HP / 1-2 Tango / 1 Faerie Fire / 1 Bloodstone just for FRICKING 40 gold!
rush b tip is kinda bad, because if u are smart enough on lane u can block camp and mind play enemy without loseing sentry or bait out bad sentry placement so he gonna lose 1-2m on geting new courier and if u place it right away most people will know it right away, so on lanes u know u gonna benefit from that u should keep ward
Thanks x. For the last point, late to lane, if the team goes for the 1-2 bounty runes, would you recommend supports to be more willing to commit that first tp (if they happen to be far from their home lane) to ensure a strong start? $100 feels like a lot for a support in the early game so I usually walk, but your point makes sense. Thanks!
Yeah, I would say being late by more than 3-5 seconds would make TPing worth it. 100 is a lot of gold, but you also get a new one when you die, which in a lot of pubs will happen at least once before you need to rotate. However at a higher level of planning, I would consider if you think you'll need to rotate mid early and whether you're willing to buy a new TP for that to have it available. At that point, you might want to avoid TPing (and maybe start walking to your lane a little earlier if possible)
Is the guardian ward still acceptable if you're laning against a pudge and need to know where abouts they are hiding? Or should I use some other way to counter that?
I usually walk to lane after early action if I know my carry will be fine for the first wave. It allows them to get the solo XP and hit 2 faster even if they only get 1 or 2 last hits instead of 2-3.
I definitely agree that solo XP can be good for some carries in certain match ups, Morphling comes to mind. However, my counterpoint would be in a pub game, it's safer to hit the lv 2 timing together rather than trust the carry to know how to handle that advantage unless you are fairly high rank
Yup. You always have to consider the following: - will my core be able to secure all lasthits alone. - how many ressources will it cost my core to do so without me there. - will I be able to offer denies by staying in lane or harras enough, that it is higher value? - what are both sides lvl spikes that can defend me being behind in lvl while my core "maybe" lvl before enemy by soloing. The overall answer is: the is never sufficient value in leaving your core alone in the laning phase. Maybe if its huskar.
@@ZQuixotix I agree totally! Depends on the lanes for me usually. The sad part is even if I TP right away and we are 2v1 my carry will just hit creeps instead of harassing and going for a kill 😭
Be in the lane as much as possible meanwhile my pos 5 gank min 3/4 and never come back to the lane and then when he goes back to the lane lanining stage is already done with the enemy lvl 6 hes lvl 4 and dies. after that, that same support ask why I keep farming and cant carry while hes farming the safe camps that I should take.
Im guilty of the bounty rune but I'm curious if the other thing I do is also a sin or if its fine. I usually like to place early obs wards like at 9:50 to get some courier snipes(theres usually a guild challenge for these). Is sniping couriers also not worth like bounties? Or is going for such plays worth it?
Courier sniping is usually worth it as long as your carry can’t get punished/ pushed out of lane in your absence. especially if you can catch the first round of couriers since they usually have regen/first items
I disagree a bit with the "get to lane fast" part of the video. Sure, it's always good to be there from the start. But you are also missing your TP, which is worth 100 gold early. That makes it so you can't tp to other lanes, should a fight break out. Gold is valuable early.
That's fair and it will happen every now and then that you get punished for it. But I would argue that for most pub games, how often do you need to teleport before 2 minutes (which is when a new TP could arrive). If you don't want to buy one, what are the odds you die to get one for free before 4 minutes (which is when you might start seeing more rotations happen). Another line of action could be that because you don't teleport but should in theory be winning your lane off of committing it earlier (and can perhaps afford a new TP thanks to that), when fights happen else where, you punish your own lane harder. Or perhaps you are the one rotating first so you don't have to TP. Ultimately, I personally think it's worth TPing for in more games than not if you wanted to make a general rule for what to do, but there will be times it is better to save the TP for sure
With some exceptions, at best you are griefing your core out of way more than 100G by leaving him 1v2, at worst you are throwing the lane and thus the game. The first wave is the most important wave in the entire game, and supports, who are highest impact heros at this point, cannot afford to be AFK.
@@AkovBrick Cores losing out on 100 gold early, means very little. They are taking all the last hits anyway, no? Second, early game is so easy to recover from, it can hardly be called the most important aspect of the game :P. You see it happen from time to time, where you fight the first rune spawn, and one team gets 4 kills. By your logic, the game should be over now. Yet even pros come back from a very rough laning stage. A support showing up 15 seconds late to the first wave is in my opinion not that detrimental to the games outcome overall. You still hit level timings more or less at the same pace, which is more important depending on setup. But I don't fully disagree with his statement though, just that I feel both have merit in its own way.
I recently had a pos4 sky start lane with brown boots and then not even right click. I was playing Visage so the entire point of my most important laning spell was tendered useless.
@@imfinishedgrinding638 No idea. The issue was that skywrath is a great early level right clicker and he probably was doing one right click per minute - basically, irrelevant. The difference between his Q and W at level one just isn't that big and I could even see a lane against a ranged support where W is theoretically marginally better than Q. It's not like a Jakiro showing up to lane with his first point in icepath. Showing up to lane with brown boots and not even trying to right click at level 1 with skywrath is just not even trying to lane. As bad as it sounds, if the skywrath isnt even trying to harass taking his E early might even make sense in some lanes just for the silence - I could actually see it making an impact against a hero like Visage with a heavy nuke, as the silence would allow your core to get out of range of soul assumption. The issue really is lots of people in 1k think laning is boring and just want it over so they can teamfight. Those players aren't even interested in winning, since that just means they'll rank up and have to face better players. That sort of approach is super common in lower MMR and I've had many people admit they aren't even playing to win.
@@imfinishedgrinding638 I've literally had teammates tell me that since the 1k game is so different from the immortal game that pros wouldn't be able to win in 1k games because what works in immortal games doesn't work in 1k games.
I've had a thought in my games for a while. I have wards up, we see the enemy team put a ward in the area that we have warded. I want our team to smoke through their warded area and then fight. My team is so keen to kill the ward and they'll deward and then leave. Is the idea of smoking through a clearly warded area dumb? Or am i playing checkers while yall play chess? Anc1 btw
you can hear the frustration in his voice man xD some players really be doing all of these nono things all the time. ZQ watched way too many low-rank replays lol
Question: Is dota hell real? My friends are stuck at Herald 1-3 and they always want to play ranked, I don't want to end up down below and lose my guardian 2 rank to never regain it. And yeah started playing this year.
it literallly doesn’t matter, the difference between herald and guardian is luck/games played. Enjoy playing with your friends and don’t get caught up in about rank/elo.
I didn't experience it when I started from Herald late last year, playing with some friends (we were all returning players who didn't play for some time). Sometimes matchmaking will just end you up on the receiving end of a stomp, but it will also sometimes land you on the stomping team.
I get yelled at CONSTANTLY for not doing the noob thing. I hate noobs :) hey, you, in the comments, are you a noob? I hate you :) get gud (sorry for the toxicity ZQ, feels good to get that out)
No 1 should be Chen or Prophet jungling from the start 😭 I got a bit tilted as a carry with my last match with a Prophet like that, although he at least outfarmed all 9 of us (since he got a Midas, Aghanim's, Octarine, and Refresher) and pushing with three frickin Ironwood Treants (cancer).
@@stfu-pi-ddk1ddo891 Yeah I did report him, and we still somehow won thanks to the mid and offlaners, which made a ton of space for my Bloodseeker. It's only unranked though, but still annoying if it happens.
@@kylemesser I don't care too much about ranked or try-harding (too much) in any game. And unranked is closer to the original Dota 1 experience since I was an OG Dota Allstars player.
@@randomsht-gw1fy No, actually I can blame them. If your default state is zero comms you're a griefing POS, by all means mute and report toxic players, not communicating is not the answer.
I've only been playing for 3 months sitting at Archon 5 as a Support and I'm going to be honest I really feel like the Healing Lotus is overrated. In all my matches I've yet to see it determine the outcome of a lane. Its treated as more of a safety cushion rather than an advantage. It only stops your lane from dying in 1 trade rather used as a way to generate an advantage. Often times if the lane is already and advantage lane then they don't need the extra healing and if you're in a disadvantage lane and can steal it then it just saves you 1 Salve so it's only worth 100g. I don't feel like it's strong enough to turn a disadvantaged lane into an advantage and every guide says it is the most important part of lanning phase
Trust me, it's very important. More effective players in lane will dish out effective and timely harass and trades. They're safety nets that insures you don't die in case you're locked in a fight/skirmish where any burst heal especially from stick charges and lotuses count. It's not something worth throwing away your life for if you can't contest it but it's still ideal that you get it especially the first 3 min spawn via shoving the wave around the 2 min 25 sec mark so the wave pushes near enemy tower and you and your lane partner can safely secure the lotus. Burst heals aren't easy to come by since stick/wand charges take time to accumulate and you don't often get heals on demand in lane from Omniknight, Dazzle,Treant, etc. Also even if you never have the opportunity to use it, later when you've stocked up 3(Great healing lotus)usually in under 9 minutes, they will make a huge difference in a fight. 125hp and mp for regular lotus and 425hp and mp for a great lotus which is 50hp and mp more and instantaneous. If you are losing in lane, buy extra regen and don't rely on what Lotus provides. It is best used for the burst heal to kill unsuspecting enemies overextending trying to outrade and kill you.
