@@LM-jz9vh Abraham was said to be born in Ur, in Sumeria. It would make perfect sense then that those stories of the flood are the same as those in Sumerian literature.
@blllllllllllllllllllrlrlrlrlrllrr Yes, that's what the story says, but the reality is that the Sumerians wrote these stories (myths) first and the later Israelites borrowed them and modified them for their own theological purposes. The Sumerians pre-date the Israelites and their stories in the historical record. Sumerian texts date back to 3,500 to 3,000 BCE. Abraham is said to exist around 2,300 to 2,200 BCE. There are numerous examples of the Israelites borrowing and modifying stories for their own purposes. In addition, look up the below articles. *"Yahweh was just an ancient Canaanite god. We have been deceived! - Escaping Christian Fundamentalism"* *"Debunking the Devil - Michael A. Sherlock (Author)"* *"The Greatest Trick Religion Ever Pulled: Convincing Us That Satan Exists | Atheomedy"* *"Zoroastrianism And Persian Mythology: The Foundation Of Belief"* (Scroll to the last section: Zoroastrianism is the Foundation of Western Belief) *"10 Ways The Bible Was Influenced By Other Religions - Listverse"* *"January | 2014 | Atheomedy"* - Where the Hell Did the Idea of Hell Come From? Watch *"The Origins of Salvation, Judgement and Hell"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica (Sensitive theists should only watch from 7:00 to 17:30 minutes as evangelical Christians are lambasted. He's a former theist and has been studying the scholarship and comparative religions for over 15 years) *"Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology - The Sensuous Curmudgeon"* *"Forget about Noah's Ark; There Was No Worldwide Flood | Bible Interp"* *"The Search for Noah’s Flood - Biblical Archaeology Society"* Watch *"How Aron Ra Debunks Noah's Flood"* (8 part series debunking Noah's flood using multiple branches of science) *"The Adam and Eve myth - News24"* *"Are The Ten Commandments Based On The Forty-Two Principles Of Maat That Appeared 2,000 Years Earlier? - Ancient Pages"* *"Before Adam and Eve - Psychology Today"* *"Gilgamesh vs. Noah - Wordpress"* *"Old Testament Tales Were Stolen From Other Cultures - Griffin"* *"Parallelism between “The Hymn to Aten” and Psalm 104 - Project Augustine"*
@@blllllllllllllllllllrlrlrl7059 Also, the ancient Israelites were Canaanites or a mix thereof. According to the general consensus of scholarship *(even critical Christian scholars),* YHWH was originally incorporated into the Canaanite pantheon as a son of the Canaanite high god El before inheriting the top spot in the pantheon and El's wife Athirat (Asherah) before religious reforms. If you want to see if El is fictional, just read his mythology in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts. "When El was young, he came across two beautiful Goddesses washing their clothes in the Sea. They were Athirat (Asherah) and the Goddess Rahmaya, and, after buttering them up by cooking a meal for them, he asked them to choose between being his daughters or wives. They choose the latter and became the mothers of the Gods Shachar "Dawn" and Shalim "Dusk"." "I should add here that it is very clear from the grammar that the noun nachalah in v. 9 should be translated “inheritance.” *Yahweh receives Israel as his “inheritance” (nachalah), just as the other sons of El received their nations as their inheritance (nachal, v. 8).* With this verb, especially in the Hiphil, the object is always what is being given as an inheritance. Thus, Israel is given to Yahweh as his inheritance. ((Here I’m indebted to Dan McClellan.)) It would make no sense for Elyon to give himself an inheritance. Moreover, as I’ve argued elsewhere, it is not just the Gentile nations that are divided up according to the number of the sons of El. It is all of humankind, i.e., “the sons of Adam.” This clearly includes Israel. And the sons of Adam are not divided up according to the number of the sons of El, plus one (i.e., plus Elyon). They are divided up, according to the text, solely according to the number of the sons of El. *Thus, that Yahweh receives Israel as his inheritance makes Yahweh one of the sons of El mentioned in v. 8. Any other construal of the text would constitute its rewriting."* *"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.* (Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian) *"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"* (A second response to Michael Heiser) *"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."* *"The Table of Nations: The Geography of the World in Genesis 10 - TheTorah.com"* (Excluding the short narrative on Nimrod (vv. 8-12), which appears to be a later addition, Genesis 10 contains *70* names of nations or cities, a number that was symbolic of totality. Similarly, the descendants of Jacob were *70* in number (Gen 46:37; Exod 1:5), *as were the sons of the supreme Canaanite god El, with whom YHWH became equated.)* *"Mark Smith: Yahweh as El’s Son & Yahweh’s Ascendency - Lehi's Library"* (Mark Smith is a Catholic) *"God, Gods, and Sons (and Daughters) of God in the Hebrew Bible. Part III | theyellowdart"* *"02 | December | 2009 | Daniel O. McClellan - Psalm 82"* (Daniel McClellan is a Mormon) *"Elohim | Daniel O. McClellan"* (Refer to the article "Angels and Demons (and Michael Heiser)") *"God's Wife Edited Out of the Bible - Almost."* (Pay attention to whose wife Asherah (Athirat) is in the Ugaritic/Canaanite texts and how she became the wife of YHWH/Yahweh) *"Yahweh's Divorce from the Goddess Asherah in the Garden of Eden - Mythology Matters."* *"Married Deities: Asherah and Yahweh in Early Israelite Religion - Yahweh Elohim."* *"Asherah, God's Wife in Ancient Israel. Part IV - theyellowdart"* *"The Gates of Ishtar - El, was the original god of the bible."* *"The Gates of Ishtar - Anath in the Elephantine Papyri"* (It appears in addition to Asherah (Athirat) being the consort of Yahweh it also appears some Israelites also viewed the Canaanite goddess Anat(h) as Yahweh's consort) *"Canaanite Religion - New World Encyclopedia"* (Refer to the section "Relationship to Biblical Religion") *"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"* (For a good summary of all of the above articles) Watch Professor Christine Hayes who lectures on the Hebrew Bible at Yale University. Watch lecture 2 from 40:40 to 41:50 minutes, lecture 7 from 30:00 minutes onwards, lecture 8 from 12:00 to 17:30 minutes and lecture 12 from 27:40 minutes onwards. Watch *"Pagan Origins of Judaism"* by Sigalius Myricantur and read the description in the video to see the scholarship the video is based on. Watch *"How Monotheism Evolved"* by Sigalius Myricantur and watch up to at least 21:40. Watch *"Atheism - A History of God (The Polytheistic Origins of Christianity and Judaism)"* (By a former theist) Watch *"The Origins of Yahweh"* by Derreck Bennett at Atheologica.
@Davi Jimi I didn't call the Bible indoctrination. That was the OP. Young earth creationism is ridiculous as is believing in a literal world wide flood. I'm not so against old earth creationism, but I find it an unnecessary hypothesis.
@@davijimi lmao you Christians really are something. When someone leaves the faith its because he/she didn't believe enough? Or they just got tired of living right? Am sorry but its time for people to wake up from their slumber. These fairytales needs to stop. Religion doesn't make you think logically and rationally, almost as if it enjoys you being an idiot.
Pangea mentioned in the Bible? The Bible corresponds with the Pangaea theory when it states, "And God said, 'Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear. And it was so" (Genesis 1:9). 2 Peter 3:5 For they deliberately ignore this fact, that long ago there were heavens and an earth standing firmly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6 and that by those means the world of that time suffered destruction when it was flooded with water.
Because they're not arguments. They're just flimsy excuses meant to give the miniscule justification necessary for fanatics to believe their faith is rational. They don't have to be convincing, because they're aimed at people who are already convinced.
As a skeptic, I've never really felt, "Yeah, but where did the omnipotent creator of the cosmos get all that water?" is a relevant objection. Clearly such a being is perfectly capable of magicing up some water. I think it's more relevant to ask, "Why bother with the water? Just poof the undesirable humans out of existence."
I've never understood why young earth creationists attempt to use science to justify their beliefs. As you say, why not just invoke Yahweh's -magical- miraculous powers.
Thanos only killed half the humans (and kittens) on the planet, and they didn't feel pain. Yahweh was much more monstrous, killing every human (and kitten) by torture.
@@johnburn8031 Due to criticism and mockery against them, YEC have been trying to look more serious. That's why they changed to "Intelligent Design". It would be like transphobes and homophobes re-branding themselves as, I don't know, Gender Criticals or something like that.
I find your posts fascinating, Dan. Honest, educated, erudite critique without recouse to being patronising. One of my favourite creators on any platform.
How Satan is fooled! Did Satan know Jehovah God was going to resurrect Jesus from the dead! Even Satan believed " For it is Written" Satan quoted Psalms 91:11-12. Because he thought he knew the future. Lol Matthew 4:5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him on the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, throw yourself down, for it is written: ‘He will give his angels a command concerning you,’ and, ‘They will carry you on their hands, so that you may not strike your foot against a stone.’ 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” Matthew 27:41 In the same way also, the chief priests with the scribes and the elders began mocking him, saying: 42 “Others he saved; himself he cannot save! He is King of Israel; let him now come down off the torture stake, and we will believe in him. 43 He has put his trust in God; let Him now rescue him if He wants him, for he said, ‘I am God’s Son.’” 46 About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 47 At hearing this, some of those standing there began to say: “This man is calling E·liʹjah.” 48 And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge and soaked it in sour wine and put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink. 49 But the rest of them said: “Let him be! Let us see whether E·liʹjah comes to save him.” 50 Again Jesus called out with a loud voice and yielded up his spirit.
The Lamb of Almighty God! YHVH! Yehovah! Jehovah! Mark 16:8 In the Gospel of Mark. If the women tell no one then, Who is ! What each Gospel story is about.The four living creatures! Matthew Who was! Mark Who is! Luke Who is Coming! John The Lamb of YHVH! The four gospels are associated with the four living creatures: Matthew, the man, Mark the lion, Luke the ox, and John the eagle. John has Jesus dying on a different day. It's the Day of Preparation, not the Day of Preparation for Passover. It was the day they prepared the lambs for sacrifice. While at the same time, Jesus is prepared for sacrifice. Jesus is the Lamb of YHVH Yehovah Jehovah a man, a lion, an ox and an eagle. The man symbolises the prophet; the lion, kingship; the ox, priesthood, and the eagle, fatherhood.
Alternate theory for the ice age: long, long ago people made lots and lots of Italian Ice but nobody bought it because it wasn't flavored. The vendors kept piling it up and voila! The glaciers. 😉😁😏
Adam wasn't deceived. The ground did produce thorns and thistles because Jesus worn the crown of thorns and thistles. God told Adam the prophecy of the resurrection. Genesis 3:15 The Sacrifice of Jesus was the first part of the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will bruise him in the heel.” Satan the Dragon and the Wild Beast the 6th Kingdom executed Jesus on their image the cross. It was the Roman Empire of Italy that is also the shape of the heel. So the first part of the prophecy is complete . Satan bruised Jesus in the heel.
The Ice Age and Sword! How about the myth of King Arthur after The Roman Empire made Christianity the State Religion. By using their image the Cross and teaching of the Trinity! Sun, moon and star worship. Revelation 17:17 The skies became darkened. In AD 536, the first of three massive volcanic eruptions ushered in a ice age. It coincided with an epidemic of the plague, the decline of the eastern Roman Empire, and sweeping upheavals across Eurasia. The 2nd seal of Revelation 6:5 When he opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say: “Come!” 4 Another came out, a fiery-colored horse, and it was granted to the one seated on it to take peace away from the earth so that they should slaughter one another, and he was given a great sword. With the land bridge frozen to the Americas. Britain became the 7th Kingdom of Revelation. So what year did this Kingdom become the Wild Beast with two horns. The false prophet and wild beast arrived with the Great War of 1914.
Thank you Dan, it was almost painful listening to the rather simplistic arguments you were debunking, but as usual you countered them even handedly and succinctly.
On the fossils, I would have included the fact all these fossils are found at different layers in the geological record. In order to be evidence of a single, global flood they would all need to found at the exact same layer regardless of where in the world you are.
Wait, they're saying there are records of the global flood in all cultures - which were wiped out by the flood? I'd be hard pressed to refute the story if there were Aztec and Chinese and Kenyan myths which all reported that they came from Ararat and that their grandpa's name was Noah. Otherwise how could anyone think this was convincing?
I think the implication is that the survivors, Noah family's descendants, keep such record of the flood. This also doesn't make sense, as it would mean that they traveled to covered all the world, settled where other civilizations had existed, and continued their traditions, building techniques, using their languages, etc, and ignoring everything they should have know. Nevermind the genetic trail doesn't match.
Stories get passed from person to person over vast distances over long periods of time. As a result there are similar stories found amongst different peoples on opposite sides of the globe. When these stories are not also found in the Bible religious folks like this say that they're just made up stories, but when they are they say they're proof that the Bible is true.😂
Noah's flood probably happened.. It was likely a version of a story that was handed down from a real event.. The event was likely a case of where a famer lived in the region of what is now the Black Sea, but before the Bosporus broke. The Black sea at that time was much smaller. A cataclysmic event occurred where the natural dam of Bosporus broke and allowed the Mediterranean Sea to pour into what's now the Black Sea. Had you been living in the valley, you would experience water levels rising with out fully understanding why.. You might be too far from the Bosporus to see the break.. Thus your experience is the waters simply rising from everywhere.. especially if this event occurs simultaneously with a meteorically event like a rain storm that lasts longer than usual. You might associate the catastrophic flooding to be caused by the rain, when it in fact is simply the Med pouring into the valley. In ancient times, peoples "World" was that which they can see.. I.e. to the horizon. Since your a living in the context of stone aged man, you have no concept of a planet. if you were living in that valley, from your stone aged perspective, your entire world was flooded, even if your world wasn't the entire planet. Perhaps this farmer had some inspiration that he felt was from God, that told him to prepare for some cataclysmic flood, so he built a barge of sorts too save his family and livestock.. his neighbors all perished, and as his barge floated and came to rest on the shores of the black sea , know today as the mountains of Ararat in Armenia. The story of his survival gets passed down.. and embellished.. with religious meaning attached. It probably is passed on to be the genesis of traditions in the region.. like the Gilgamesh epic and the Jewish stories of Noah that our found in Genesis.
This is called rationalism. There is simply no need to come up with a plausible explanation of a story like this. How about it’s just made up. Maybe there were floods but none of the characters or the giant ark need to be explained, they are just part of a fiction.
YES! The Nakh tribe experienced that particular flood. Ian Wilson's "Before the Flood" speaks about all that you wrote in full detail. After the Black Sea flood, the Nakh tribe began the vine industry near the Caucasus mountains - which confirms the statement in the Bible: "Noah planted a vine". Genesis 6:4 sons of God and daughters of men are the priestesses and kings of the Black Sea region that followed the Great Mother goddess instead of Yahweh. That civilization and religion in that region was destroyed by the Black Sea Flood.
The flood myth was a reimagining of an older creation myth in which a bird brings up the first land from the primeval ocean. In the flood myth this bird brings the first evidence of the land that is no longer submerged beneath the floodwaters.
When I started questioning my Christian upbringing I was declared a non believer which I took as a compliment. As i delved into the contradictions and gymnastics required to remain in belief and NOT in knowledge, I abandoned faith for reason. Your channel is clear and concise and a breath of fresh air.
#1: But it’s worst than that! If the flood happened as described in the Bible there COULDN’T have been been cultural stories. Who would have been left to record them?
It should be no surprise that flood myths are common among civilizations all over the world. People like to build cities and towns near rivers and oceans. Places near rivers and oceans often get flooded. Floods are big memorable events and can have catastrophic consequences for people living in the flooded areas, so if a big one comes through, people would tell stories about them. Stories get passed on to children, eventually you have a legend.
Well, the idea in the myth is that Noah, his wife (although he was free to have polygamy by Yahweh's standards) and children and children's wives (about 7-12 people all together, if I recall correctly), went and founded civilizations anew all around the world and those descendants either forgot the "history" completely or came up with new and different names and details for the characters.
True! But the Bible NEVER claimed a worldwide flood. The word is "eretz" - the same word used in the Genesis 1 creation. This is simply just an undoing of the Day 6 setup of Genesis 1 - humans. Genesis 1 is TEMPLE liturgy.There was no intent to literally address the entire planet. The sons of God and daughters of men was a RELIGIOUS setup of priestesses and kings of the mother Goddess. Yahweh was putting an end to that system while the Nakh tribe survived and started the vine industry near the Caucasus mountains. The Black Sea Flood was enough to accomplish all this.
A bit of naunce here, though your argument is essentially correct. There is a great deal of LIQUID water inside the Earth's Crust in many locations. The Great Artesian Basin in Australia [or rather UNDER Australia] has an area of 1,700,000 square kilometres, with varing depths and temperatures between 30 and 100 degrees centigrade. It is hot, and of course, under pressure, but it is in the LIQUID phase. Estimates of its volume are around 65 gigalitres. It is thought to be one of the biggest deposits of groundwater in the world. There is a similar groundwater basin system under Africa, especially under the Sahara desert. There are other signifant groundwater sources scattered around the world. Depending on whether you classify the Anatartica ice sheet as a type of crust, there is also singificant groundwater under the Anatactica ice sheet. None of this gives comfort to Global flood apologists, of course. Another issue is what people in antiquity understood as "global" Human mobility in anquity was generally not as widespread as it is today, and if people travelled at all, it was a slow process. Communications were a problem for large empires well into the 18th century. If an Australian colony was asking London for advice, or if London was issuing instructions to a colony, the communications could take months, or even the best part of a year. The fact that dissident Jewish scribes, later to become known as Christains, had gaps in their knowledge concerning a reasonable approximation of things like Pi, when Egypt and Babalon has far better values for PI hundreds of years previously, and various animals like Platypus and kangaroos, were totally unknown, even in Europe, suggests to me that those scribes had a different, and more limited idea of what "global" meant. So they might not have been deliberately lying or embellishing, they just didn't know how big the Earth was.
2 things. First if a global flood happened there wouldn't be anyone left to tell the tale globally. Second, early Judaism basically took the myth from Gilgamesh 11th tablet and gave it the Micheal Bay treatment.
Some answers I want from these evangelicals: How did bears, elk, cougars, armadillos, etc get to the Middle East to catch the Ark before the flood? How did the animals NOT die off from massive inbreeding?
"How did bears, elk, cougars, armadillos, etc get to the Middle East to catch the Ark before the flood?" The bigger question, to me, is how did sloths get to South America? If you watch creationist videos, they like to mock the hypothesis that monkeys got to the new world on a vegetation raft. But, surprisingly, they never actually give THEIR explanation for how they got there after the flood. We have New World Monkeys in South America. Somehow, those monkeys got to South America after the flood. What is the creationist explanation for how that happened? But now back to sloths. Sloth bodies are such that they cannot metabolize food at a fast rate. The reason sloths move so slowly is because they can not get enough energy to move any faster. At their fastest, they can only go at a speed of about 300 feet per day. It's not that they are lazy, their bodies cannot metabolize food fast enough to give them the energy to go any faster. So now, after the flood, the sloth needs to get back to South America. Why does the sloth need to go to South America? Don't even ask that, because there is no reason at all. But still, they are in South America so somehow they go there. How? Let's guess....a land bridge across the Bering Strait. Ok. Now, the sloth gets off the ark and goes full speed for South America (let's give them Central America to be generous) via the land bridge. How long does it take for them to get there? 1000 years. Yep, a sloth on a mission from Turkey to South America would take 1000 years to get there. At that point, the vegetation raft carrying monkeys for a couple of weeks/months doesn't seem so unreasonable.
The Bible NEVER claimed a worldwide flood. Local animals. The word is "eretz" - the same word used in the Genesis 1 creation. This is simply just an undoing of the Day 6 setup of Genesis 1 - humans. Genesis 1 is TEMPLE liturgy.There was no intent to literally address the entire planet. The sons of God and daughters of men was a RELIGIOUS setup of priestesses and kings of the mother Goddess. Yahweh was putting an end to that system while the Nakh tribe survived and started the vine industry near the Caucasus mountains. The Black Sea Flood was enough to accomplish all this.
They always try to say that the flood was so violent that it carved canyons and buried fossils. But the problem with that theory is, if the flood was that violent, Noah’s ark would have been destroyed by crashing waves and floating debris. After the flood, all of the topsoil and plants would have been wiped away so the survivors from the ark would have starved.
God protected Noah's Ark & plants had started growing by the time they left the ark, so Noah's Ark didn't get destroyed and there clearly was enough food. Basically you have to have the supernatural for it to be possible. "Proven" science has actually shown itself to be pretty fallible. Scientists have to have a load of faith to believe in many of their theories and facts that actually have huge holes in them.
@@rickiestubbs8779 I say unless you can observe something as it happened you can't 100% prove / disprove anything. Everyone has to have faith in whatever they believe.
Besides, if Noah's flood is to be believed, you cant point to various cultures writing about it because in Noah's flood, nobody outside the ark survived, and according to the bible, they didnt even know the flood was coming, it took them by surprise so you cant even say they wrote about it ahead of time and left the writings to be discovered somewhere in the aftermath of the flood.
Our knowledge of early human civilizations keeps getting pushed further and further back. Until recently it was 6000-ish years ago in Mesopotania, and then someone discovered Göbekli Tepe which is dated to circa 9000 BCE and then all the other Tepes in the general same area some of which are dated to 12000 BCE. All this upends the mainstream history which now needs updating. The point of this is that this new date is ever closer to the Younger Dryas when the glaciers from the last Ice Age melted, and it was sudden (few decades) and those glaciers melting would have been almost a global flood - North America, Europe, Siberia. It's not much of a stretch that humans rebuilding from that could turn the story into 40 days from 40 years and add a holy man to the story to give it a cause. The literal Noah story could not have happened. He built his boat with help from a few, had to find a forest, fell the trees, dry them, cut them into planks as well as built the structure of the boat. Practically alone and in a short period of time. There is a Creationist group somewhere in the States trying to build an accurately sized ark and they are using modern materials (like go to the lumber store and buy a container full of lumber) and methods (power tools, screws, cranes) and in the amount of time Noah had to build his primitively this crowd is still nowhere near completion. Makes one think the Israelites had zero experience of what it takes to build a real boat
If you believe the great flood that's fine. I'm more interested in hearing you explain how one family of non boatmakers not only repopulated the planet with humans but also made sure the 2 of every kind of animals were doing their part and procreating to avoid extinction. You're the one that believes it, so explain to me how it all happened?
Well, we KNOW the world was flooded, in fact it was for HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of years. The idea the whole world was flooded within 'recorded human history' and some guy built a big boat and saved two of every animal is the part thats crazy.
If Noah’s flood happened. How did anyone else know about it except Noah and his family. What am I missing??. There should have been no one else around to recount it. 🤔
The answer would be that since ALL the peoples around the world descended from Noah, they would have all taken with them the story but the details of when and how it happened would have changed as it got told and retold.
@@rizdekd3912 so what do you think about Population Genetics and DNA evidence of human migration across the planet. If accurate that would throw a wrench in the story don’t you think. Just wondering
And we don't know what people mean when they say 'world'. We assume it means 'global' in our sense. We'd be wrong. We interpret an idea to mean 'world' in our terms without imagining what it means in the original language. World can mean a very local domain. There is, so far as I know, no evidence that the 'Noah' flood is global in our sense. The description allows us to imagine it was. But it is not hard to imagine the volume of water caused by 40 days and 40 nights of rain by scientific means and come up with even an extreme approximation of impact. Interesting than pro flood advocates have never availed themselves of rational argument that can support their claims.
Love your work Dan! Is there a way please you could include your sources in the video on the bottom and also as text in the Description section? Such things would make the videos even more forceful and helpful to all of us who value facts and further study.
What Dan said is an extremely condensed recap of science that can be found in any textbook. And school textbooks are a distillation of hundreds if not thousands of research papers. He didn’t make any very specific, possibly controversial, statement which can be traced back to one or few sources. I honestly don’t see how he could go about posting sources even if he would. Imo it’s like asking “can you post sources about the earth being round?”. It’s such a basic science fact that the difficulty is there’s too many sources. If your aim is personal growth watching science videos on RU-vid is an easy, fun and cheap way to achieve it. I am sure I have watched videos on all the topics Dan mentioned, from the formation of the Himalayas, to how fossils are formed, from gigantic glaciers floods to ancient near East cosmology. I am always surprised to see how Dan, whose expertise is in biblical studies, is able to give such a clear, correct and yet succinct explanation of the science. Truly remarkable combination of vast knowledge and excellent teaching skills.
You know what's great for preserving fossils? Rain coming down even half as fast as needed to flood the entire Earth above the mountaintops. That would totally preserve delicate fossils rather than instantly obliterating the entire surface of the planet and any wooden boxes on it, and rendering it a molten hellscape for at least the next million years instead.
We don't have that many well preserved fossils though. Population estimates of dinos, etc, are based on large multiplication of the incomplete skeletons we do manage to find. It's a miracle when lucifer lets us find even one fully complete skeleton. lucifer loves the attention he gets from haters thanks to all bibliolatries, which iblis/lucifer has obviously inspired, anyone with a second thought can understand this bibliolatries have caused great evil, even when favorite interpretations/metaphors are chosen instead of the literal words.
@@letsomethingshine I mean, we have approximately the amount of fossils that are expected it they were formed by many natural processes across millions and billions of years, as opposed to the zero fossils that would be left if a global flood simultaneously atomized and vaporized everything on the surface of the Earth within seconds of its start. Not the least of which is because there would be no humans or animals who would have survived to have repopulated the Earth through an inevitably debilitating amount of incest to have eventually discovered the concept of fossils, much less fossil evidence.
Well, let me add two points. First, this is assuming the Earth is flat which was largely the ancient view, and how would anyone know the waters covered the entire world. Secondly, the ark, given it's dimensions, could not possibly have been large enough to house two sets of every animal in the world. I could also add one final question as a bonus. How did Noah manage to get every animal in the world, male and female? Some say that God sent them to him, but is that specifically mentioned in the Bible? If I'm wrong, correct me.
Thank you so much again when I listen to You I realized how much of a dull knife I was.. As a former Christian I would listen to people like this and just totally believe and soak in what they had to say as if they were experts but they are no smarter than I am... Thank you for your explanations of the scriptures and the scholarly content that you provide...
Ecclesiastes 12:12...my son, be warned: To the making of many books there is no end, and much devotion to them is wearisome to the flesh. 13 The conclusion of the matter, everything having been heard, is: Fear the true God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole obligation of man. 14 For the true God will judge every deed, including every hidden thing, as to whether it is good or bad.
@@strappedfatman7858 Fatman Did you know that much of the of the wisdom of Ecclesiasties was copied from Greek stoicism.. So you quoting a so called scripture that otherwise you had no idea that it was not uniquely inspired has no relevance..
@@strappedfatman7858 Yes I believe the Greeks I also believe that they are human beings and not God nor agents of God.. Tell me fatman if the bible said that unicorns are real would you believe it just because the Bible says so?
@douglasgrant8315 Joseph - Imhotep - Thoth - Hermes! Hermes, the Greek god of interpretive communication, was combined with Thoth, the Egyptian god of wisdom. The Egyptian priest and polymath Imhotep had been deified long after his death and therefore assimilated to Thoth in the classical and Hellenistic periods. When the Greeks learned that the Egyptians had a god Thoth, or Tehuti, who specialized in wisdom and learning, they named him Hermes Trismegistus, or “thrice greatest Hermes.” Supposedly Hermes Trismegistus was the scribe of the gods who authored the sacred hermetic works that described the material world as well as the quest for spiritual perfection. Altar and Pillar Isaiah 19:19 Revelation 5:5 Imhotep - Joseph the same person who built the step pyramid. Acts 7:10... God gave him favor before Pharaoh, king of Egypt. God also gave Joseph unusual wisdom, so that Pharaoh appointed him ruler over all of Egypt and put him in charge of everything he owned. The Great Pyramid has 8 sides. The 8 sides represent the 8 kingdoms of the world. Jesus is the corner stone. The last kingdom to rule forever. There is actually ten sides counting top and bottom. First Empire was Nimrod. Who represents Babylon the Great, the Empire of false religion. The bottom of the pyramid is a side. All eight Kingdoms of Revelation ride with the harlot, Babylon the Great. Revelation 17:17 The Great Pyramid having no top corner stone, and the top being flat is the Harlot. Jesus is the cornerstone the builders rejected. The Nations would rather follow the Harlot than Jesus. Revelation 17:9 “This calls for a mind that has wisdom: The seven heads mean seven mountains, where the woman sits on top. 10 And there are seven kings: Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet arrived; but when he does arrive, he must remain a short while. 11 And the wild beast that was but is not, it is also an eighth king, but it springs from the seven, and it goes off into destruction. Matthew 21:42 Jesus said to them: “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone. This has come from Jehovah, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. What does the Sphinx really represent. Because Jesus is the Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Isaiah 19:19 In that day there will be an altar to Jehovah in the middle of the land of Egypt and a pillar to Jehovah at its boundary. 20 It will be for a sign and for a witness to Jehovah of armies in the land of Egypt; for they will cry out to Jehovah because of the oppressors, and he will send them a savior, a grand one, who will save them. Revelation 5:5 But one of the elders said to me: “Stop weeping. Look! The Lion of the tribe of Judah, the root of David, has conquered so as to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
And they had children, who could ask their grannys and grandpas. Thus, in my family, there are stories about Big Bill, my paternal great-grandfather who was a steel union official who then commuted to Ellis Island from Pittsburgh (weekly, not daily) until he died in his 50s.
I think the Biblical flood story is derived from the Matsya Purana, which has a quite similar story. There is evidence Mesopotamia was settled by people from the vicinity of the Indus valley. This flood story could be an elaboration of floods of the Indus.
I can never get used to the idea that there are grown adults living today who still believe in the myths and legends of middle eastern goatherder tribes of 2500 years ago. For real?! I mean, we've flown to the Moon, for Christ's sake!!!
You are wrong, so very wrong, there is compelling evidence that you are willfully ignoring that shows that they were in fact mainly herding sheep not goats.
Worse yet, there are grown adults who still believe in these myths and legends but staunchly claim that the moon landing was faked! They are willing to believe that a man rose from the dead even though nobody actually witnessed the event and it was this man's followers, not the man himself, who said that this happened, but the moon landing, nuh uh.
You'd expect a sudden addition of about 8,8 km of water to leave some kind of mark all over the world like the impact of the Chixulub crater did. 8,8 km of water is a lot of pressure on soil... a lot... And even if it were for 40 days only, it would leave a distinctive mark world wide... and none has been found at the appropriate stratum in geology.
Noah didn't drink, smoke or have a high cholesterol diet. He also swam every day and did yoga. Why is a life of 600 years so hard for you to believe? 🤣
It lasted various periods of time, if you read the TNK/OT in full for all the different versions/numbers of days. I heard one rabbi say there are 4 different flood gospels in the TNK. Christians did not want to notice this because it becomes even more clear that BOTH their pagan and Christian parents and ancestors all the way back were always liars onto themselves.
I despise tiktok, but I am glad those trend-following tidepod-guzzling teeny boppers and twenty-somethings have at least one voice of reason: yours. Keep it up. Nicely done.
There were no "tide pod guzzling teeny boppers and twenty somethings". Calls to the poison hotlines at the time that story was going around showed NO increase in any poisoning by tide pods and in fact the only cases recorded were elderly people, probably suffering dementia. You would think listening to Dan would have you wired to use critical thinking and not just believe stories you hear, but perhaps not.
yeah this guy seems to intentionally misunderstand both the bible and all the scientific progress that has been made in the last 3000 years in order to make this myth (and I'm pretty sure it was understood to be a myth when it was written down) to be "true".
Mostly agreed, although I'm inclined to disagree with your point in parentheses. I would argue that the Author, and/or the Culture & Society of the Author, in all most-probable likelihood, did Not understand it to be a myth. Many people of Other cultures & societies, like perhaps the Greeks, would have understood that, but the ancient Hebrews or the even-more-ancient Babylonians & Sumerians? Nah. In fact, the entire Cosmological 'Model' of the Israelites (as pointed out by Dan in this video) was based on misunderstandings, ignorance, and incredulity toward Natural Forces; explained the "Heavens & Earth" as effectively a Literal Snowglobe under an Enormous Ocean. And they almost undoubtedly saw the entire world as being Much Much MUCH Smaller than it actually is, especially in light of their lack of fast long-distance travel. And hence the idea that a Large, but Absolutely Local, Flood constituted "Global Divine Punishment".
Myths can be true. You have the wrong definition of myths. It comes from Greek and derives from the word "thoughts". Equating myth with being false is a modern setup.
Regarding the fossils at the top of the Himalayas: We know that the Himalayas are still growing at a rate of something like 1 cm per year, in 50 million years, that's 30 miles. Mount Everest is only 5.7 miles tall. At a growth rate of 1 mm per year, the time it would take to go from the ocean floor (2 miles below see level) to the top of Mount Everest (let's call it 8 miles total) is 13 million years. The dinosaur mass extinction was 66 million years ago. That means the dinosaurs had 50 million years to fossilize before transitioning into the top of the Himalayas.
I personally think the younger dryas impact theory (forgive spelling) of smaller localized flooding and ice sheets moving in multiple areas around the same area of time.
What is to forgive? You blew the proper capitalization, but Dryas is spelled correctly. And the sea level going up hundreds of feet is hardly “smaller localized flooding”.
The Younger Dryas event, which pretty much ended the Global Ice Maximum and started the Interglacial Period that we haved lived in, occurred about 13,000 years ago, not one hundred thousand years ago.
Excellent as always! Not necessarily my forte'. The submitters direction to multiple deluge theories I agree with. Unfortunately there is pretty much no way of telling if the earth was completely covered in water without witnessing it. I find it difficult to see the world completely covered in water given the amount of time it took for water to recede to expose dry land. You have stated that Yeshua did not travel to the far east. But there are what I would say other ideologys that he uses that I believe belong to other faiths. So if he didn't travel someone else did. Much of the old testament as well as the new have stark elements of Avestian origin ( white unblemished garments, fire venerating, the calf jawbone {a priestly sacrament in crusted with gold and jewels and fashioned to a sword}, the body is where the eagles are (Luke); a reference to estuaries with internment cisterns. I could go on with Avestian but also there seems to be Buddhist thought where the body is to be regarded as food....that one more piece of information that doesn't quite cohere is the remains atop Mt. Arat. Thank you always. Superb job!
Dan where do you get your information from? From other humans that wrote down the experiences they had in the past correct? So what makes them credible? In other words you pick up books written by humans to come to your conclusions, but who’s to say the very ppl are telling the truth from their writings?
*Too few flood stories* Since people tend to live near water and such areas flood occasionally, and disastrous floods would be memorable to survivors, I would expect flood stories from most civilizations. If there was one big flood, those stories should have originated about the same time. But neither of those is the case, which is strong evidence against a worldwide flood within human history.
@@JohnD808 wrong he's lying the stories just talk about the global flood and yes there is research on this evidence I recommend channel dr James tour standing with the truth and research on global flood stories
Wrong he's lying The stories talk about The global flood and yes There's a research on this evidence i recomendo Channel Dr James tour, standing with The truth and search about research on global flood stories on RU-vid or internet
@@JohnD808 That would be a major case of local floods, but that was 20,000 years ago, seemingly too long before the first writing. In some cases the flooding from the ice age effectively didn’t end for some societies, because it raised the sea level relatively rapidly, so some groups would have had to move to where they could live with the new level
@@scienceexplains302 I don’t think that tying the origin point of flood stories to writing makes a lot of sense. Nearly all flood stories from primitive civilizations were passed down by oral tradition over an undetermined amount of time. The various aboriginal tribes in Australia for example all had some version of a flood myth that survived from antiquity all the way until the 19th century even though none of them developed a system of writing before contact with European settlers.
Interesting how all those fossils he thinks were created by the flood were of species hat no longer exist and aren't all fossilized people and animals from the time of the supposed flood, don't you think?
I assume they are referring to how many types of rocks actually bind to water, so it’s just in a molecular state, not in any specific phase because it exists as many individual water molecules within the rock. And there are many different ways that this functions, this is vastly oversimplified
Recently I have found an Australian geologist (youtube Ozgeographics) who has been tracking a massive tsunami thorugh the Indian Ocean. He believes this is related to an asteroid strike (called the Burckle Crater) in the southern Indian Ocean. The date he places for this event is about 5,000 years ago. He believes (and the evidence seems to be consistent) that the tsunami left a landform called seismic chevrons throughout the entire coastlines of countries with a coast exposed to the event. This would the include the low lying areas of the middle east. He calculates the tsunami that struck the Australian coast at 120 metres. One of the implications he draws is that the asteroid that struck caused seawater to be advected into the sky and between this falling back to earth and the tsunami provides an explanation for a cultural memory of the Sumerians creating the Epic of Gilgamesh which was adopted as the Noachian flood of biblical tradition. If this youtuber is correct it explains the cultural memory. It also confirms there was no worldwide flood. There are no data to support the flood of Noah and that story is clearly wrong.
@@MatthewMorris1997 not really. A scientist will first have some observation (in this case deep ocean sediments deposited on the coast of Western Australia). The scientist will develop a hypothesis that may explain these initial data. The hypothesis will be able to be tested and can be further examined. (In this case the sediments are suggestive of being deposited by tsunami - given the shape and contours etc.) If the data do not support the hypothesis then the hypothesis must be either changed or discarded. Further data are collected - in this case by looking for tsunami deposits on Indian Ocean coastlines in places like Africa and the middle east. Dating of the deposits can be undertaken and the time of the event identified. The pattern of deposits can give an approximate area where the event initiated. Putting all these factors together including locating a crater on the floor of the Indian Ocean which is where an asteroid struck in the timeline generally given by cultural memories and records. Is all this correct? We do not know but it is an interesting area for further exploration and if it is wrong then so be it. A theory can be supported, adjusted, or abandoned as the data will show. Religion, on the other hand starts with a conclusion, collects no data, and undertakes no investigations. The flood of Noah as written in the bible did not happen those data are clear and unequivocal.
@@ianb9028 I disagree with that because some scientists do exactly the same thing, they already rule out what they don't want to believe, what doesn't fit with what they want to believe. True science looks at the evidence openly and doesn't rule anything out off the bat. Personally I've seen enough to believe that the Flood did happen because there are many pieces of evidence that science can't explain. Personally I disagree with uniformitarianism & most of sciences so called proven "facts" regarding the ancient world. "Science" acts like it's impartial but most of the time it is anything but. It's already decided that it's hypothesis, assumptions, theories, are true and omits everything that disagrees with it. There are honest scientists out there who look at the evidence just as it is, but many have to follow the agenda, tow the line, or they won't receive funding. There is no scientific consensus because the scientists that disagree are censored and ignored. I'd suggest you watch some of AiG's talks on the Flood and evidence for it, they point out some very interesting pieces of evidence that science can't explain / refuses to even discuss. Anyway if all people lived near the coast in ancient times, and that destructive tsunami happened fast enough that they couldn't escape, that could lead to all these Flood stories. Personally I believe happened and that there are scientists who have proven that it happened. I presume neither of us is going to budge on our views. Just remember that scientists aren't as impartial, unbiased as they claim to be, I've read many books on the subject & science actually doesn't support itself, in many areas it's a faith in the unseen just like religion is.
When was the Himalayans Created! The Garden of Eden would have been in Pangea. All continents and mankind would have all existed as a single continent called Pangea. In early geologic time, a supercontinent that incorporated all the landmasses on Earth. Pangea was surrounded by a global ocean. So at what point would there have been a flood to shape Italy the Roman Empire the 6th Kingdom of the World. Adam wasn't deceived. The ground did produce thorns and thistles because Jesus worn the crown of thorns and thistles. God told Adam the prophecy of the resurrection. Genesis 3:15 The Sacrifice of Jesus was the first part of the prophecy of Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman and between your offspring and her offspring. He will crush your head, and you will bruise him in the heel.” Satan the Dragon and the Wild Beast the 6th Kingdom executed Jesus on their image the cross. It was the Roman Empire of Italy that is also the shape of the heel. So the first part of the prophecy is complete . Satan bruised Jesus in the heel.
Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord. Bible prophecies are continuing to be fulfilled. Life and love are miracles from God each day.
I am so eager to believe the bible. However there are few things that I am not convinced. Big bang, evolution, the flood, if we looked at it scientifically. Good video though.
One thing I love abour your videos is you utilize the creator whom you're debunking for the dramatic effects. Basically all you do is sit there and state facts but the dramatic music, images, editing are all there to attract people in. Kind if funny. 😆 Thanks Dan!
I wonder how creationist flood believers argue for something like kangaroos in Australia given the Biblical timeline that goes along with that narrative? I guess they swam back? Or how they explain the cultures of South America given that same Biblical timeline?
I feel sorry for that adorable Brazilian Tree Frog who has to swim all the way to that sandbox with his mss, Hop on board, have to wait a bit and then have to swim all the way back to Brazil. And the mss doesn't even like salt water. Poor thing.
Because they've never actually thought about it for themselves. They just listen to their pastor who conveniently leaves out the parts full of gaping holes. 🕳 🕳 🕳 🚢 🕳 🕳 🕳
