An honorable mention should have been the guy that somehow cheated the PC performance test with his potato computer and lags out every lobby that he joins.
Thats really on Microsoft imo. Its sick that you cant rejoin a match in 2024. Out of 8 player games at least 30 % end when someone dcs. And they cant come back. I have won many games in lol, even when someone dcs.
@@dennisaskeland7603 Its never a problem if you have a halfway decent computer and stable internet, but some people are playing on setups that just are not viable for gaming. It sucks to exclude people that can't afford a better system, but there's no other option if they ruin the experience for everyone else.
An honourable mention should be for the other guy as well who constantly complain about that player that his ping is red or yellow 😂 I mean you guys dont know what lag is. We can easily live and play with that. This game sustained because we are ok with lag from voobly days so dont be so much harsh on those players
@@allaboutgames2796 Speak for yourself. I'd rather resign and start a new game than play with 5 FPS and massive lag spikes. I may have been okay with lag 10 years ago, but I'm spoiled now. No going back.
Nope . The absolute worst AoE player is the infinite pause guy . They have lost , so they pause the game and when you unpause , they pause right back again . That is miserable .
@@RennieAsh I sincerely hope so ! The last time this happened to me was either earlier this year or possibly the end of last year , so it might have been fixed with a limit .
@davidgood840 There was supposed to always be a limit but it got removed at some point. I think it was an oversight but not that long ago it was still broken im not sure if it's been fixed. I honestly dont think so
there was a bug sometime ago that would lead the game into an infinite pause loop that you could not recover from if they spammed pause. So many %$#&*%$ did this to us on team ladder after they were dead.
Yes, I used to love doing this pausing trick to people all the time, unfortunately they did fix it, and now the ten pauses you get is a hard limit so you have to use your ten pauses a bit more strategically now. If I am losing I am not leaving until I have used all ten.
I feel like the "cheeser" shouldn't be part of that list because there shouldn't be an "official" way to play the game. If you stop developping your eco while going all in agression, you are taking a major risk + this kind of strat takes a while to be mastered. It's not really op (otherwise it would be the meta) and I have more respect for these kinds of players since they are at least trying for something different than the "standards" BO that 90% of us are using. And I'm not even one of them :p
Agreed! I mean its actually good to get the meta 'stress tested' by those cheesy and meme strats, and it brings some spicy touches on content producing for guys lile pooplord and even Hera himself with off meta mondays and etc
NO YOU NEED TO GO INTO ARCHER OR SCOUT EVERY GAME!!!! DON'T YOU KNOW THATS THE FUN!!!!!! Jokes aside, %100 agreed. Its like in a chess game when opponent moves, you complain about the move not being conventional and start to complain about it to the ref and also saying I just lost because I was not expecting that move. Thats the game brother... Its ridicilous.
@@HCXWinchester we as community even know that can be hard for players to always encountering cheesy opponents on the ladder specially for the newer ones, but man, this is actually the portrait of every 'old game'. I've been 'cheesed' many times and find my way to have fun while fighting the cheese, even if i lose, that means I just need to learn how to counter that
@@drleopoldopires I mean there million ways to interact with aoe2, ranked ladder is only one of them. You either accept people to do whatever benefits them to win (within game limits ofc) or not play ranked. Its simple as that. I am 30, got barely any time from work. I loved and played this game for years as a kid against AI. Now I have 100 hours on steam for the last year, played campaigns/AI and having so much fun. You choose how you interact with the game, not the other way around.
Honestly ,I thought Hera was memeing in that rant about how "they want to stop you playing the game". Lmao that was too absurd to take seriously. For the record I'm also not someone that likes to play rush/all-ins.
that's me. Always drop elo then ban arabia and the other standard maps, usually play only the cheese maps like Socotra if they're available and then go for insta lame or do things like Persians insta barracks drush. Either that or spend the entire game defending and building eco.
I used to do this on nomad back in HD, not to be a troll but I asked them not to build right next to me because in my experience they take all the resources and never have an army. They build by someone cos they know they will need a babysitter. My friend got a kick out of it one time as I onagered the "ally" tc and village and then flattened the enemy next to him too. We won that one lol
I think you missed one. The one that blames the teammates. I can’t count the “you only won because my teammate are a bunch of [insert whatever]”. Even in unranked games.
There is some truth to it tho, if your teammates is playing terrible its not your fault you lost the game. Not saying you should flame them, but maybe giving them an heads up on what not to do next time.
Add to the list: -the guy that comes under your TC to kill the sheeps in unranked games (to do that forgot to make vills for 1 min) -the guy in team games that makes fun of the other side who is losing, points out where they are making mistakes and laughs, doesn't send help and has half of the score of the side he's making fun of -the guy who calls gg when he's winning because he's having a decent push but has no idea of the state of your eco and army behind that one building he destroyed, he will gradually lose patience and start calling gg more and more often without noticing your army in his eco -Hera can't say anything about this one because he makes build orders so we have to say it, the guy who learns a build order and feels like a god but has absolutely no idea how to play after the build instructions are over and just quits if something doesn't go perfectly as he would like -The franks arabia player, he will only play franks, he will only play arabia, he will only play scouts into kinghts, his build is perfect, tried it for months 5 hours a day vs the AI, then he will die to halbs because he refuses to make anything but knights and he will blame the game for that -the goth spammer in team games, he will play only pocket and he will boom, if he's not imp with all the tech, 20 barracks and super eco he will not make army even if the flank is under siege by 2 players from the start, then he will resign with 0 was score because "the flank is noob" -The mongol micro obsessed (in general any cav archer civ but they really love the mangudai), he will only micro that army, nothing will ever touch that army, he will feel like a god for killing anything that comes close, if you split your army using trash units to keep the cav archers busy while the gold army destroys his city their brain will do the windows shutdown sound -and then the intentional lagger, a rare type you can find in lobby, mostly chinese players, they will play pocket on closed maps like michi, black forest, amazon tunnel, and they will boom into unique units, most common are balistas but also wagos, the game will be fluid until you show up with the counter unit, onagers for example, at that point the game will start to lag, I'm talking about heavy lag like 3 fps, I realized that they do it to have more time to react and move their units, this is the worst because you already played for like 30 min and in a 4 vs 4 you don't want to be the one who quits because can't stand lag and ruin the game for everyone so players stay hoping that the lag was just a moment
The Cheeser - rushing as fast as possible is just a tactic, one that can be countered. I don't mind that, even though Id prefer there be more reason overall to go to Imperial Age sometimes...
Cheesing is actually the n1 thing why i was playing lots of games, tbh. Boring to be "just lke everyone else" as long as game prodives possibilities to play differently and win the different ways. Some time ago it went so far that when me player "normally" was totally unexpected and make an opponents lsoing their minds :D Note: i'm completely against abusing bugs. No. Just cheesing. Playing is for fun, after all!
If you beat me with any off meta play, i will respect it. It is on me to counter what ever tactics you the enemy bring against me. As long as its not cheating, i dont care.
I think it would be more annoying if people complain about “playing a game wrong” just because someone does something unexpected. It’s like someone who is like, “How dare they play the game in a way that I don’t approve of! I only want the game played in a very specific way, and if anyone does anything different, then they are wrong and bad!” As they smash their keyboard and post on Reddit. If the game provides the resources and the abilities for specific things, then I don’t see why it’s bad someone would utilize those things when anyone can access them? I dunno, I’ve never tried playing against other people, so maybe my opinion isn’t the most accurate? I’ve dealt with too many salty people in online environments that I’m not sure I’d enjoy playing against most other people.
@@Suzume175 From the pros' point of view, it's more of a sportsmanship thing. Laming sheep and boar is a low ball tactic and no one really respects it. However, I do agree with you, obviously (as evidenced by my previous comments). It IS in the game so it IS viable and no one should be shamed for it. It's like demoes in Rocket League. They're pretty divisive in the RL community. Even I used to look down upon those who used it, but I started overcoming that obstacle. Avoiding demoes more often and utilizing them to my team's benefit myself. Now it's just an annoyance and I quickly move on to win the game or don't.
@@curlywhites I was thinking like all the T90 Phosphoru videos I watched, and how creative it tends to be. I think ways of playing the game that mixes things up is healthy. Doing the same thing all the time stagnates things and makes people complacent. I think it’s more fun when I get to watch all the different ways people can enjoy the game. I can see why people wouldn’t like laming. I honestly only usually play against ai when I play AOE2. The ai sometimes will take my sheep or something. I guess for me, I just try to beat the ai regardless. I guess in a more competitive environment, it prob gives the person who lames a big advantage. So I can see where it’s likely frustrating.
I remember a few years ago, 4v4 BF, I was Mongols and one of my teammates didn't communicate until he got attacked. Then they proceeded to flame my teammates and I saying we were trash, and finally rage quitted. My teammates and I ended up staying and we grinded out the win. It ended up being one of the best games I ever played and one I will always remember.
This. In C&C classic and Red Alert classic when I played on a LAN with my brother, we'd lose sync between computers and they'd turn into an AI. They would even taunt you when it happened. Game: "We lost power of sync!" AI: "Now it's just you and me!" Why don't modern games do that?
you missed the one I hate the most: the "no gg guy". sometimes I'm losing, I say gg and the other guy says "ez, noob", so I automatically become the "wall vil in the corner" guy as a response 11
You are missing some infuriating things in Low Elo (I play around 1100): - The Narcissist: Requests a totally unviable strat at the beginning of the game "no buts" and quits when noone joins in. - The well-meaning waller: When you take a defensive fight against some ranged civ and your teammate panic-walls just in front of your army, leading to its annihilation. Your army may survive --> they breach --> team mate walls further back and repeats the ordeal. - The well-meaning offensive pocket: He does help you by building tons of army. But he doesn't spend a thought on building placement and blocks your resources by stupid production building placement - The passive pocket: When the flanks do flank stuff to each other but your own pocket only reaches castle when you are already getting trebbed. Berries, boars and deers all still there. - The massing pocket: Builds 60 knights with 2 TC in castle, idles them forever, then runs them into helbards. - The uneducated one: Has favorite units Uses them against whatever cimes his way. Countering skirms with archers or conqs with individual knights? He will go for it. - The "let me play my game"-player: Has a dozend vills idle on the map in early castle. When you ping them, he gets aggressive and spam-pings for the rest of the game. - The "don't worry"-guy. Plays Dark Forest as if it was Arabia. When you ask him to wall, he responds with "don't worry". Will resign when he gets inevitably sneaked.
For me, the worst has to be the smurf.. I understand that really high level pros sometimes can’t find a game, but apart from that 0.01% exception, there’s no reason to have a smurf account.
For me its the one disconnecting when the game is clearly lost. So it doesnt count as a lost game and elo of both players remains the same. Dunno why they dont do sth about it
In one of Spirit of the Law's videos where he talked about Spanish Cannon Galleons, there was this dude who commented about a game where the other player got 20 Elite CG in a small ass pond in Arabia, and the game stalled for 2 damn hours because he just wasn't going to quit. As you say, once you reach that point...is far from fun. It's just aaaargh.
I've had an enemy like that one time. It was a different map, don't know which one. But basically there was a small corner with a very narrow gate through it. It took like one hour to defeat him.
I think there are 2 others missing: 1. The one that without any valid reason takes your resources so theirs last longer or because a single scout got to their unused stone and scared them, to annoy or idk, steals your sheep on nomad games when you're clearly sending them to your tc, etc. 2. The one that as an ally cheeses you, walls your resources, palisades your tc and target fires your buildings or army with mangonels/siege, it's not very common but when it appears it's very annoying, totally ruins game
@@jesusflores4002 ive had teammates who made it clear on black forest it wasnt a 2v2 but a 1v1v2 11 were some of the funniest games when we both tried to rush imp for bbc / onager and walled us in in castle age. but i bet its hell when u dont play along and wanna play a normal game ngl
@@yozshu Well lets say you win in feudal or early castle, and then your opponents runs to every corner, and every random woodline and stonewalls vills inside. you first have to get a castle, then get to imp then research spies, then you can only see the vills, then you have to use either some unit with insane range, (which he can easily dodge by moving back and forth, to kill the vill hiding behind 10 layers of stonewall, or you have to make rams, petards, trebs etc to get through all those layers, which would atleast add another 30 min to the already won game
Report them. They don't check or follow up on reports. If they get enough on a player its a ban fir a day or so. Thing is they won't tell the banned player why they were banned.
Lots of teamgame honorable mentions missed! -Killing your ally with onagers -not deleting walls when your teammates requests -constantly chating and getting salty when teammates instead of playing chatbot play the actual game -clogging trade with useless buildings -Walling in your teammates
Great list. Couldn't agree more on team game ladder being unplayable. If it isn't the guy who doesn't talk, it is the guy who quits early. If it isn't the guy who quits early, it is the guy who rages at you for going FC in pocket. Feel like it is even worse around 1000 ELO because you get players who are nowhere close to their true ELO, and the results of that seem to trigger these toxic behaviors in some people.
Putting a tower rush in the same list as walling your villigers into the corner is just bonkers. One is someone playing for the win with a legitimate strategy that has always been a part of the game. The other is someone who is not playing to win not using any strategy and has the only goal of ruining your day for no reason. They are not comparable at all.
usually you can stop a tower rush with villagers , most people don't seem to know how to do it right anymore. So they build a tower , its taken down with villagers , they build another one, its taken down with villagers , they build a 3rd one ..... same outcome. Somewhere between 3 and 5 towers they quit. I used to call it the baddie blitz
It’s interesting that putting #4 forward makes you a #5. Using all-in strategies are part of the game to win. You play the game devs have made, strengths and weaknesses included.
@@kudoushinichi1412 I don't really see why it's a cheese strat. You are sacrificing more economy to make the trush more effective. In my book, cheese is when you use exploits or bugs that the developers doesn't have the time to patch.
Because of the wall-ins, I do think that the Ranked Ladder should have standard win condition (instead of conquest). If your opponent wants to camp it out, just build a wonder.
I just started to learn this game recently, but even I can appreciate the balancing of AoE2. With that many Civs it is only natural that some are slightly better than others, but I feel like there is a place for every Civ, depending on players skill level, map characteristics etc. Keep on making great videos, I learned a lot from you already 😊
you forgot to mention the guys ON YOUR team that steal your sheep, boar, etc and build a lot in your space while having space on his area or build walls between the trade route - happens a lot on amazon tunnel.. and they get mad when you onager down his buildings and walls
I tend to rage quit a bit before, and the best way to overcome it, is to come with a mindset to chill in ladder with people you don't know. If you expect too much, that were ppl like i used to, will take it in the wrong way
The worst are those who deliberately lower their ELO by repeatedly quitting games so they can play against opponents who have 300 ELO less than them, crush them, and then say 'ez' or '11' at the end
No elo ditchers? At my elo it happens so often where players just quit after like 2mins, only so that every other game they can stomp someone with less skill. Surely that is worse than a cheeser
I once played a Hideout TG where not only did my pocket provide no help or communication all game, but he actually wolf rushed me. Got a bunch of wolves chasing a villager, walked them through my palisade gate and deleted the vil.
There's one I call the Yammerer: that guy that's so good at typing that he engages you in irrelevant dialogue to distract you. I had this one guy ask me what my favorite movie was... the entire game. He wouldn't take the hint that I was ignoring him.
As far as the "Wall In Last Vill" goes, I do this when I call the gg and my opponent says something like "11 ez". Then they have to defeat me, cause screw those guys.
you forgot: 1) the useless teamate: basically a 2v2 becmoes a 2v1 cuz you just know this guy is useless at the game and his entire army is 10 samurais, 10 pikemen and 10 militia in castle age. 2) the coward: basically the guy who finds out he is teamates with the useless teamate so he resigns 1 minute into the game.
Pooplord is the worst of all AOE 2 players, he combines rank 4 and 2 only he brings rank 2 to another level, he plays hybrid cards, loses land and goes full water BBC 12 hours + games. 99% of the time ending with the Enemys quit because it takes to long.
Homorable memtion is also the Hera spreadsheet gamer. First time i got hit by 19 pop double archery range in a Team game i got wrecked. Now i am also guilty as charged!
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I once had a team mate attack me non-stop with bombard cannons, making it impossible for us to win. On arena, because I wasn't in a position to help him defend an early castle drop.
I've got a brief story about the "me no type" honorable mention. Random ally and I in a ranked 2v2 both went random civs on Arabia, he got Cumans and I got some archer civ (been awhile, may have been Saracens). So I type and suggest I'll go archers and he goes scouts in feudal. No response. I go fast up into 2 range archers, he goes fast up as well so I'm thinking "okay, he'll do scouts then or maybe his own archers, either way is fine". Few minutes later I'm getting double-teamed by our opponents and signaling my ally to send military, but nothing is coming, and he's still quiet. I manage to barely full wall in time and stay relatively safe but they move on to my ally's base, which I haven't looked at in a bit, so I decide to take a peek. What's he doing? Fully open 2 TC booming in feudal, zero military units, zero walling. Our opponents show up to his base with archers and scouts and start running over him, and he spam signals me and types something to the effect of "what the f***? help, do something". I've already got my archers on the way over but all he's producing for military are spears which are getting picked off by their archers, so my army gets cleaned up eventually and then he resigns and types, to everyone, "useless teammate". I've encountered most of the player types in this list at least a few times, but that one was by far the most frustrating for me.
I would never rage quit, I agree with you I think it's disrespectful to both your teammates and the people you're playing against, and hurts the overall well-being and longevity of multiplayer play. However, I would state that I'm pretty sure me dropping out of a match would IMPROVE my team's chances of winning....
I vehemently disagree with the "Cheeser" being even mentioned at all. First of all, who decides what is and what isn't cheese strategy? Second - are we really despising people simply because they play non-meta strategy? Also, cheese tends to be high risk, high reward strategy, just defeat the cheeser and that's it. And last but not least - I thought that this is a competitive game, wargame even. If it's forbidden trying to win, than maybe EDH could be a better hobby. I'm not talking about cheating and/or bug exploits, I'm talking about trying to win in a context of a competitive game, perfectly in line with its rules: this shouldn't be frowned upon.
2nd one is I believe a part of the strategy. That cheeser loses a lot of resources early on as well - and in case, you beat them, then it is an easy-win for you. So I believe it is actually not toxic, just part of strategy.
"I love the reddit community". Lies and damned lies. I also see no issue with what you describe as "the cheeser", as long as there's no cheating involved and the player is respectful. Goal is to win. If someone just goes all-in with risky strategies that are very annoying, I see no problem.
Cheeser is not a worst type. If its in the game, its legit. If there is anything wrong with the game, blame goes to balance team, not the cheeser. ITS A GAME WITH A RANKING! Why people need to play in some gentlemans way? Its so stupid way to look at things. Aoe2 is a game of response. Opponent does something and if you give a proper response, you are at advantage. If you do not, then you are at disadvantage. How can anyone blame others for BUT WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS UNCONVENTIONAL AND I WAS NOT READY! argument? Its literally how the game works.
In EW you often get the guy who spams flare because the first thing he built was a market. Then he's mad because his flank doesn't have an army , just like him. I always tell them "it's too bad there's not a technology like 'barricades' that can keep them out of your town. "
Thanks for the inspiring strategies. Up to now I was only familiar with the Wall in strat but if I could manage to combine them this will be a whole other level. Do you have an idea how I could transfer the rage quit strategy to a 1vs1?) Maybe by #5 flaming the opponent, #3 balance Andy him into a post-imp fight with well set armys and #1 finish everything with a rage quit right before the battle? What do you think?
"Does sitting on a horse give you more strength?" Kind of, yes. It lets you use the horse's strength (including letting you wear armor that would weigh you down on foot), and horses tend to be a lot stronger than humans.
The vill walling I feel like I have done this before without really realizing how much time I am actually wasting because I have so much of my own. Sometimes it's just better to except the death and move on to another game,' something I'll have to accept more often than not.
Hey Hera. I am one of your big fans, and I've learnt a lot from your videos. But I didn't like one specific thing about this video. I agree with all your points here, but not sure why the "cheeser" makes this list? Is it bad if you wanna try out new all in strats and go hyper offensive from the start? Our aim is to win the game. Why should everyone play standard? Heck, I even learnt the Turks fast imp into bbc and hc from your video, and that has been my go to strat on arena. I have over 68% win rate due to that build order. But then again, I've lost a lot too using that strat, cuz people were able to counter it and I too found out flaws in it. In my opinion, If someone can develop all in strats, you should make counter strats. I know, people now a days memorize build orders and what not, and that does end up making game a little less fun for the opponent, but then again, what's wrong with memorizing a build order, if it's not standard? Don't we all send 6 to food, 3 to wood in dark age? That's a build order too. Imagine playing with someone who's 300-400 ELO, and not familiar with even the standard dark age build order. For them, you going to feudal age in 10 mins is broken too. So I guess, it's better to work on developing counter strats instead of blaming or calling out people who don't like playing the game the "standard" way.
I am not a vils in wall guy. But oneday, I was playing a teamgame. A guy in my team paused the game and write "sorry one sec." the other team just started the game. Our guy came back and rage quitted. Then I just walled, everything on Black Forest and the opponent team, 4 guys had to play until my last vil :) I also write LAMER with palisade walls. These guys asked if my time worth it ? I said if you wait one minute, everything can be fun.
There's one that's worse. The Griefer. The one that sees your score and instead of rage quitting, they wall around your base and talk trash about you. There's nothing worse than a 3v1 in a 2v2 game.
Those random trolls in team games that would just either quit at the very start or, come and wall up your TC, or come later and destroy your base with Onagers. Those are definitely the worst, at least in team games.
Rage quits and early disconnects could be easily fixed if they just took the entire elo loss, so it didn't impact others. The worst is the honorable mention; if they don't talk, they might as well not play. People who don't talk just want to do their own thing, regardless of what the game calls for; no countering, no teamwork, nothing.
What if they're just bad at communication? Like if they're already at their limit from just somehow keeping up with playing their game but are just too damnslow at typing without being thrown completely out of the game?
To be fair, all 45 civs in aoe2 speak different languages, so do the players in this game. Sometimes they are just unable to understand or type English. Just be a little bit tolerant to these people. As a non-teamgame player, I can only feel how annoying the cheeser is. I can tolerate most one-trick pony play because there should be a counter for it and you will learn, but except for laming, which is totally luck-dependent. If I got heavyly lamed and it is not my fault (e.g.: scouting with my sheep half way across the map or not protecting my sheep under TC), I will just quit and let him have the elo. It is not like I cannot do it in a real serious game. And I will probably enjoy the next game more because my elo is slightly deflated, while the lamer will be more likely to lose despite successful laming in his next game because the slight elo inflation.
It's a stragety game. Cheese strategy is strategy. Just like scout opening or archer opening. You give up some eco to attack your enemy. Skip horse collar, skip double bit axe yada yada yada Same goes for 1tc push. You skip tc for stronger military. Same goes for all in hoang style, you stop villagers for stronger millitary. If neglecting eco in favor of military makes you a bad player than everyone should just 4tc boom in Arabia and fight when they are Imp
hera himself has to be nr1. the micro ******* that starts in dark age with stealing your sheep under your tc and still micros every archer in post imp.
Regarding the wall in guy. I admit I’ve done it a couple of times, only cause when i said GG i got answered “EZ”. I’m normally not salty, but why not just answer GG and leave it there?
I am usually an early resigner but I have walled in vils once or twice when my opponent mocks me and/or 105's me. The rage quitter problem is really bad below about 1400 TG ELO. It's a terrible place to be that is very hard to get out of solo Queuing.
If the opponent mocks you, all respect goes out the window. Walling in vils is basically a requirement at that point. I personally normally play on untill both my economy is destroyed and I'm out of resources (who knows, maybe the enemy is also running low, and the tides may turn), but if they start using taunts like that, I'll decide to hold on on principle even after I'm definitely dead. I'll even make sure to resign right before my last unit is killed, in order to really get them
