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Pancast Podcast Episode 54: We talk:
- OXO Carbon Steel Pans
- Merten & Storck Carbon Steel Pans
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- Preview the Hamilton Beach Cool Touch Fryer Review
- Gas Stove Ban update
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@Assimilator702 Год назад

Mental note. Food & Wine can not be trusted for cookware opinions.

@fauxtaux Год назад

My kitchen has extended into the dining room with a wall of metro shelving that holds an ever expanding collection of Le Cresset and skillets. I cannot imagine when it’s going to stop. Husband doesn’t complain because he gets to eat someone else’s cooking most nights.

@isabelab6851 Год назад

I also have two metro shelves for my cooking gear…love it! It shows that is my passion and what is important to me. And I love to cook and feed family and friends

@brianharrell5612 Год назад

The M &S was my first carbon steel pan. It cooked fine, but I wanted to season a pan from the ground up, so I moved on to a Matfer a few months later. I haven't used the M &S since, but am keeping it for camping, etc. Not a bad pan for a beginner, or for the price, IMO. Thanks Uncle Scott for all the informative and funny videos, keep em coming!

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Thanks, Brian! On the M & S, did you get any of that factory seasoning wearing away or have any problems with it?

@brianharrell5612 Год назад

No I had no issues with the seasoning at all. But I was a little skeptical about what it was made of. It seems more like a coating.

@PageToo Год назад

I have a de buyer crepe pan that I love now, but dang it took me a long time to figure out seasoning etc. (your channel helped a lot) I also bought the oxo pan and I liked it so much I also bought the oxo wok, which is not really a wok but it’s great for stir fry and can hold lots of food without spilling over the edges. I think the oxos are beginner friendly and at a good price to start a CS collection. I like that the handles are oven safe (remove the silicone first). Also, as a woman, I appreciate that they are on the lighter side. That being said, I’m glad I have them but my next one will be that gorgeous omelette pan you have from de buyer when they get back in stock. I also dream of a Smithey; they are works of art.

@AlexT-sy6nm Год назад

Be advised that Smitheys are on the heavy side, especially their cast iron, and seasoning them has been super tricky for a lot of people. That can be mitigated by boiling equal parts of water and vinegar in them for 20-30 mins to create a matte finish to which seasoning can stick more (there's something about the chemistry there that goes beyond "micro-etching" the surface for the seasoning to adhere). Their hammered carbon steel pans are indeed gorgeous though.

@isabelab6851 Год назад

@@AlexT-sy6nm good to know…but if I ever get one (and I really want one) I will definitely research. Sounds like you have some great advice

@JanuariStar Год назад

I recently bought the 12" OXO, Merten & Storck, and BK carbon steel pans (all made by The Cookware Company) to see if there was any difference. The only difference is the handle, and weight. BK has a nice rounded handle, but because of that handle, it's also the heaviest. Merten & Storck, and OXO were within half an ounce of each other in weight, and they both had pro and cons as far as which handle felt the most comfortable, but other than that, there's no difference in the pans. I kept the OXO one for the silicone handle, but Merten & Storck felt the most balanced. If I didn't mind the extra weight, I probably would have kept the BK for the rounded handle. They all arrived with a silicone, protective coating, so eggs slide around like Teflon, but that'll wear off as I use it, and season it, as it's supposed to.

@-Armand- Год назад

BK's handle is made of cast iron, that's why it's heavier

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Wow... so that coating is silicone? Eggs really slide off?

@Aval2356 Год назад

You need to try a Darto carbon steel pan. Uni-body design. Would love to hear what the carbon steel expert opinion is. Made in Argentina.

@djC653 Год назад

There is also the Cast-A-Way skillets out of the US and I hear they are upgrading the handles(issue with them being too "bendy")

@chrisdat1 Год назад

This Pancast is why I subscribe to you and not Food & Wine.! So appreciate your testing and objective reviews. Thankful for your love of frying pans!!!!!

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Very many thanks, Christine! Comments like these make this all worthwhile!

@rickeldridge959 Год назад

Uncle Scott, I appreciate your videos. Some are not relevant to my interests but still enjoy watching. GREAT JOB!! Keep up the good work!!

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Thanks, Rick! I hope they are entertaining regardless of the products and subjects.

@csmats5374 Год назад

I suspect some of the reviews on those mainstream publications are actually paid advertisements.

@mikefisc9989 Год назад

I think so. Only a dishonest publication would hide that fact and not publicly disclose it to their readers.

@quadaces4 5 месяцев назад

Hey Unk, did you ever get to reviewing the Merten&Storck pan? I can't seem to find it. I just received it and haven't used it yet. You got me thinking there might be some chemicals on the pan.

@UncleScottsKitchen 5 месяцев назад

I started the review then abandoned it because I just didn't feel like I had enough knowledge to judge that cooking surface. It has some heat treatment that makes it a little different than the traditional French-style carbon steel I am used to.

@jefflawson7468 Год назад

Always enjoy your videos. I love lodge and de buyer 👍👍

@DanGriffin10 10 месяцев назад

Scott - I enjoy your videos! I have an OXO andd am trying to perfect my seasoning game. Seems no matter how I season (oven or stovetop) or how many times, when I cook my eggs they get a brownish/black color on them that I beleive is the seasoning coming off the pan. I use grapeseed oil to season and butter to cook on as low a heat as possible. Any thoughts or suggestions?

@Mr_Soleo 7 месяцев назад

I know I’m late but it seems like the “seasoning” from the factory is actually a nonstick coating. The sparkly blue coating made me cautious, but the fact that any oil or water I put in it beads up all but confirms my suspicions.

@t.o.wildcat7724 Год назад

Thank you for some more awesome information! Also big thanks for enduring those arguments so we do not have to get into those same arguments with our wives!

@sanyo1208 Год назад

Uncle Scott. Have you ever used a Sitram Cybernox pan? It’s an older pan that supposedly have stick resistant properties without any PTFE type coatings

@travisfaught2708 14 дней назад

I feel like we never got an update on these pans? So many good reviews on them.

@edwardcasper5231 Год назад

The OXO and Merton and Stork pans look a lot like my "BK Black Steel" pre-seasoned carbon steel pan - which I really have enjoyed using. It's also made in China, and has virtually the same rounded sides and coloration as the two pans in the video. TV sets, computers, etc. are often made in the same factories, to virtually the same specs, but have different brand names affixed to them, The same thing is true of major appliances like stoves, washers, etc.

@djC653 Год назад

was going to mention this

@ayayoutuber 6 месяцев назад

I rather have the storck because I don't want to put silicon handle into oven and oxo is more expensive for same pan size.

@csmats5374 Год назад

Regarding restaurant utensils, I don't have a problem using them because in my career I became familiar with commercial/industrial sanitization processes and am 100% assured of their proper sanitization. The effect on the environment of the associated waste products is another matter... That said, instead of paying a surcharge for new utensils you might consider a Hobo Knife, which is a folding pocket knife with a fork substituted for a second blade and a mechanism to split the knife and fork part for use. Case makes one but it includes a spoon that to me makes it too thick for convenient pocket carry. The one I use is sold by A.G. Russell called the Boxcar Jack (because Case has a trademark on the name "Hobo Knife") and although the Boxcar Jack is made in China, A.G. Russell has excellent spec and quality control over their Chinese suppliers and their Chinese-made products are as good as any production knives out there and better than many. Both knives are finely crafted products with a variety of good looking handle scales that make them much classier than those steel or aluminum connecting utensils for backpacking and camping. I take mine to restaurants on occasion just for fun as a pocket knife enthusiast but it'll work for the germophobes out there as well.

@StevenSeiller Год назад

😂 Think they run the Never-Before-Used silverware through the sanitizer before letting you eat from it? And if they do, what’s the fuss over? 🤔

@JFW5358 Год назад

You contrast metric and "English" measurements. But in England we have progressed to metric and have been using those for the past 30+ years.

@catdeddy8427 Год назад

Let’s stop futzing with the arbitrary formerly English measures and get on the Metric wagon.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

We use miles, invented by the Romans I think, and I brought it up one time in Italy and they had no idea.

@isabelab6851 Год назад

@@catdeddy8427 I agree…started the journey with baking and now doing a lot of internationally recipes that use metric…and love it!

@maxcontax 6 месяцев назад

I bought an M&S 12” pan thinking it was German. 1.4mm thick, not 3 mm thick ,like my deBuyer. Had a weird nitrified coating, not seasoning. In short pure scammy marketing of Chinasium crap….then I used it. Expected it to warp, burn etc. NEVER HAPPENED.surprise. I use it,it works just fine. No one more shocked than me.

@SVUfannyc 3 месяца назад

Same! I wish I saw these vids and honestly just regret buying a m&s "preseasoned" pan..and i was pissed when I read the made in china when openingit, i didn't catch that on the website it was sold on ughhh!!

@mrparisehistory Год назад

I've never heard you talk about Darto carbon steal pans!?! Would love to see you try those out!

@melaneymattson3733 Год назад

I hate the misleading advertising of products! Was there a price difference?? Thanks Scott, Melaney from SoCal.

@brianh2287 4 месяца назад

My neighbors bought the OXO and said it's the best carbon steel pan they have ever used. I bought the OXO as well and it is spectacular. Also, it has never warped like my the Matfer spinners I will never buy again. I can cook my eggs low and slow on my OXO and eggs slide like they are on ice. I can also cook on high heat on the stove and oven without it turning into the Matfer spinner. It's a shame you never used them from what I can see in your videos.

@rezdm Год назад

Hi. Out of curiosity, can you try removing the factory seasoning from Oxo? Using heavily acidic products. To see the quality of seasoning at least. I bet there is no other use for these pans -- I agree on buying EU/US products when it comes for food safety to say at least.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

I'm going to see if I can remove some of it, maybe on the bottom, and see what is underneath.

@corksauve4949 Год назад

Add Blanc Creatives to your list. Another high price American pan. And Solidteknics.

@dbkfrogkaty1 Год назад

...and Cast-A-Way. A new American company.

@lisamelting Год назад

I read the same article as well as many others regarding cookware. I have a Merten & Storck carbon steel pan and have had no issue with it.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

I will use mine for the first time this coming week... for yours, is that your only carbon steel or do you have others as well? How has the factory seasoning held up?

@lisamelting Год назад

@@UncleScottsKitchen In addition I have a Matfer 11 7/8 and a Lodge 10”. The Merten & Storck I have is an 8” and as such it doesn’t get used as much as the others. I will say on day 1 it fried eggs with no issue and has only improved with use. Of importance, this pan is much thinner than the others so care must be taken not to scorch the food.

@chefkevinashton 10 месяцев назад

Scott, an English gallon is bigger than an American gallon. The British Imperial gallon is 4.54 L (160 fl oz), while the US Customary gallon is 3.78 L (128 fl oz)

@just...A 6 месяцев назад

Do you have an update on M&S? I've recently bought that pan as my first experience with carbon steel and it's so awful that I don't think I'll use this types of pans anymore. Everything sticks to it apart from the seasoning. I have to scrubb it and reseason it after every use now. Thin layer of sunflower oil, oven on 250C for 1 hr or a bit more. It comes out nice but as soon as I cook something the seasoning is gone and the area where the food was is much brighter again and some of the food sticks so I have to scrubb the pan again. I've read myself up and watched many videos before using it to make sure I do it right but this pan remains mostly unusable for me. It's just too much work and too poor performance for me to continue to bother with it. It has put me off all carbon steel. Stainless steel works so much better for me and it's so much less work trying to maintain it.

@UncleScottsKitchen 6 месяцев назад

In one of the other Pancasts I updated it and said I stopped reviewing it. It's just not the classic, French-style carbon steel that I am used to and that I cover on this channel. Don't give up on carbon steel! Check out a De Buyer Mineral B or Mineral B Pro and see what you think!

@just...A 6 месяцев назад

Thanks for the suggestion. If I decide to give carbon steel another chance in the future (after getting over this disappointment) I'll choose De Buyer, the ones you recommended. Thanks for the great content, too. I like that you have real reviews rather than just advertising like some other "reviews" out there.@@UncleScottsKitchen

@dbkfrogkaty1 Год назад

Lets me just say this, I think the OXO, the Merten & Storck, as well as the not mentioned BK are all the same pan, most likely made in the same place. The only difference is the handle that tells them apart. That is why the article only reviewed one of the three. How they came up with their "favorites" is beyond me. I guess they prefer the light weight ones. Although I think that Smithey pan is pretty heafty.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

What is crazy to me is that they specifically call out the OXO in the "what didn't make the list" part. I didn't know that about the BK... I will look into it too.

@dbkfrogkaty1 Год назад

@@UncleScottsKitchen Yeah, silly move on their part. Why even mention it? They put Mauviel on the list and not Matfer or de Buyer. Why? I guess because the Mauviel is the lighter of the big three. I would hate for you to spend your money on the BK. Just check it don't buy it. Wouldn't surprise me it there are others.

@mechadsey Год назад

Might also check to see if there was a sizable ad buy in F&W by the pan company.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Indeed! I like the way you think...

@scottthompson9359 Год назад

This brand seems the same as the two mentioned: Thermalloy 10.2-inch Black Carbon Steel Frying Pan. I have 5 debuyers and a Merton Stork and I like them all - they all have a use.

@ayayoutuber 6 месяцев назад

I have a feeling they are from same factory but different brand label on it.

@thestumblingchef3146 Год назад

The only Chinese carbon steel pan you should buy is a wok

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

That is probably great advice.

@SVUfannyc 3 месяца назад

I wish I saw thesee CS vids on yt, and honestly just regret buying a m&s "preseasoned" square grill pan, ive been trying to strip it and start from scratch.. the blue coating i have no clue wat it really is... and i was pissed when I read it was made in china, i didn't catch that on the website it was sold on ughhh!!

@bengoolie5197 Год назад

F&W is on the take.

@mikefisc9989 Год назад

It certainly appears that way. I appreciate Uncle Scott bringing some scrutiny to their article.

@acaciomadeira5147 7 месяцев назад

Are those panmade in same country

@kcb5150 Год назад

For all the downers I have on Chinese goods, if there is one thing they should come good on it is a carbon steel pan.. What do you think woks are.. This is sort of right in their wheelhouse, it's what they do and have been working with for ages in their culture.

@charlesjacques750 5 месяцев назад

Like Yeti steel cups ($40+) and Walmart Ozark (9.95) - exact same double wall steel cup. How do I know? Both made at the same factory in China just branded/marketing name different. $30+ for marketing name. 😂

@GamerNxUSN Год назад

I wish oxo would not have discontinued they're camping lineup from REI, they had some carbon steel pans that had a detachable handle

@JanuariStar Год назад

Look again. It's this same pan, with the detachable handle.

@hef-outdoors2116 Год назад

I think the viking is very similar as well

@JanuariStar Год назад

I noticed that as well. I didn't buy that one to see, but I would be very surprised if it wasn't made by the same manufacturer.

@dbkfrogkaty1 Год назад

Yes their chef pan does look very much the same. Their fry pan is not as deep.

@phillipp1399 Год назад

Huge difference between New York banning gas hookups in new construction and taking away gas stoves, per previous nutter pronouncement. Everyone gets to keep their gas stoves, as predicted. Time marches on. Just like no one took away carburetors but you won’t find one in any modern car because they’re grossly inefficient and finicky. Onward and upward, in spite of any fuddy-duddies. I’ll keep my bajillion btu gas stove until I move. If I move somewhere with a gas hookup, I’ll likely get a half-bajillion btu gas stove (it’s not the size of then burner, but the how you spin the dial) and enjoy it. If no gas hookup then I’ll convert to giant-coil induction. It’ll feel wrong and sterile for some time. Then I’ll enjoy it. No one is coming for your gas stove or to regulate unnecessary paper towel waste. Thinking otherwise is just victim fantasy… and anyone is free to indulge for as long as it makes them happy but no one will be beating down the door to fulfill it.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Oh, but they are! And with modern American appliances having about a five year life span, the de facto ban just takes a few more years to implement, yet doesn't seem like a ban at all.

@phillipp1399 Год назад

@@UncleScottsKitchen devices are widely available today and will be for the foreseeable future. Many, if not all, limits on *new* gas hookups exclude commercial properties which means that even if there’s a slowdown in production of consumer gas stoves , commercial will be an option for quite some time. Again, limiting gas hookups on new residential construction has zero impact on existing residential connection nor on devices available via the free marketplace. Already though (prior to any new construction limits) *consumer* demand for gas appliances is slowing as everyone looks to take advantage of solar, safety and convenience of induction, etc. The free market will have the ultimate choice on product availability, just like with carburetors and coal burning furnaces. Time and fickle consumer desires march on, unabated by FUD-mongering and unbridled victim fantasy.

@Nomadman777 7 месяцев назад

That looks like the BK black carbon steel pan from World Market...

@roospike Год назад

Our personal favorite is: 💰💸💵

@yalkn2073 Год назад

Difference between M&S and your recommendation is the price. They are twice as expensive as M&S

@jefflawson7468 Год назад

I bring my own pillow with me

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

On road trips we do that sometimes too. If I just ahve scary-on on a plane trip then usually not.

@michaelnorman4476 Год назад

In regards to the restaurant utensils, I did 13 years of restaurants and the soaps and sanitizers that they use to sanitize and wash are insanely powerful. I may be a little of a bit of a paranoid person, but I actually don’t trust restaurants and hotels to give me brand new, unused things that I would pay for like the utensils and pillows. I see them just repackaging them and selling them again. In theory yes I could take them with me, but I only have room for so many utensils and pillows.😅 Thank you very much for sharing the food and wine article. I don’t trust a lot of those especially if they’re not using any kind of oil or butter. Tells me they don’t even know what they’re doing. Thank you for keeping an eye out on that and researching it.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Appreciate the great comments, Michael! It's not so much the germs themselves, it's the thought of them... like if there were a communal toothbrush that were completely sanitized it would still seem gross.

@michaelnorman4476 Год назад

@@UncleScottsKitchen I never thought of it that way, now I’m sort of disgusted. L O L.

@jimarnold1335 Год назад

You neglected that beer, Scott. Drink away, man. We’ll wait.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

If it seems full and I'm a bit slurry, you'll know I poured another between takes!

@triaxe-mmb Год назад

The ban on gas in NYC and State wide is for new buildings only...no one is coming door to door removing gas appliances... That said i can see them later passing a rule that says as gas appliances age out and are replaced, it has to be replaced with electric powered ones and when kitchens are remodeled they are required to remove gas . So this woudl mean new heat pump dryers, heat pumo water heaters, heat pump space heating, electric ovens, and induction cooktops/ranges as you do improvements... Its not about the gas cooking...its just a casualty of the war on the big gas consumers - heating and drying uses. Its easier to pass a blanket ban on new connections rather than to cherry pick things in new construction....

@maxcontax Год назад

Uncle Scott, I was sucked in by the Germany lies on my 12" Merten and Storck carbon steel skillet. I was very upset with their lies and slimey advertising, and confounded by the nonstick surface. I was about to toss it in the bin and then remembered sometimes it's about the cook and not the skillet. So I burned off their curious nonstick coating and seasoned it with canola oil. It is 1.4mm thick compared to my deBuyer at 3mm so expected everything to burn and the pan to warp. that did not happen. I use the pan for scorching brussels sprouts and asparagus after blanching, works well. Like the size. Very light, 1.5 kg compared to my Lodge cast iron 12 at 3.5 kg. So despite being deceived by Food and Wine, and this importer of Chinasium crap, I am still using it selectively. It works. Best pan?? not by a long shot. That goes to deBuyer for CS and to Stargazer for CI skillets....I have and use them all.

@chefkevinashton 10 месяцев назад

I hate self-proclaimed food magazine or newspaper articles that create a Top Ten List of anything, because their knowledge is often non-existent at yet the general public buy into it.

@_GOATish Год назад

The OXO was my first carbon steel pan. It didn't warp on my electric cooktop or my new induction cooktop. Yes, made in China (BOOOO, I know) but its reliable as hell.

@DeathByLego Год назад

Did you get the pan or the wok style? I’m heavily considering snagging one of them to elevate my cooking but I’m conflicted, bigger base vs bigger walls.

@BCSpecht89 Год назад

I'm curious if the OXO and Merton & Stork pans weigh exactly the same. I think you're right to be suspicious, Uncle Scott. Kudos to your wife for spotting it. I don't put much faith in the snobby opinions from Food & Wine. Just saying...

@JanuariStar Год назад

Yes! They're within half an ounce of each other. BK, the other identical pan, is about 6 ounces heavier.

@EPeltzer 13 дней назад

It's incredible to me that you can dis these pans without even cooking on them. What? Who cares where they are made or if they are sold under different branding? How do they cook? I don't much care for China's politics but if you think Chinese products are substandard then you probably have to throw away half things in your house, your iPhone, iPad, appliances, etc etc etc. It's not 1990 anymore. China still makes some cheap junk sure but they also make superb quality as well, and lots of it. I have heard positive things about both these pans. I have some de Buyer pans but the cs ones are on the heavy side and that's why I'm trying to get away from cast iron. A good light 12" pan we would actually use a lot.

@4shehadeh Год назад

I wish I knew that you didn’t recommend the made in!! It’s awful and the eggs sticks

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

I get the sticking too in mine, but that article makes it out like they cook eggs with no fat and they don't stick... I don't have high hopes of reproducing that.

@George_L-w7o Год назад

I really love uncle Scott’s shows. But I would have more respect for him if he immediately returned the two Chinese pans. He needs to maintain a minimum threshold of quality here. Those are private label pans from China. Don’t play the game. Reject them out right. Return them to where they were purchased. Give us at least a minimum level of quality here Scott. If you’re bored, move onto a different category of cookware for God sake

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

I agree and I don't want to review them, but so many people ask about them that I feel like I should.

@3portiparty Год назад

Sad to watch your decent into indulging your fears by exaggeration 😢, or maybe your just stoking the ignorance of certain viewers for algorithm uplift. If the later you might as well just go full Fox.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Algorithm uplift... a new term! I'll take some, please.

@scottthompson9359 Год назад

"descent"

@cdub42 Год назад

I enjoy your cooking content. Could very much do without your editorializing. For what it's worth. Not gonna unsub because you make good content and I'm basically used to it at this point, but would rather not have injections of Tucker Carlson into your otherwise high quality analyses.

@UncleScottsKitchen Год назад

Thanks cdub! It's completely perfectly fine to disagree with me... we're just yapping about beer and food stuff. We'll stay out of most all politics unless there is something to do with gas stoves, alcohol, food,.etc., but I think it's OK to talk a little about the stuff that affects food/drink/kitchen equipment without going off the deep end. I hope, anyway!

@MillionMileDrive Год назад

Those two pans sounds like a carbon steel wok when you hit them. I'm guessing they're just thinner metal. Because it doesn't have as much thermal mass, they're best used on one of those jet engine burners... I don't do a lot of wok stir fry for that reason, a typical stove can't get a wok hot enough.