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TOPPING D50s DAC REVIEW PT.2: DOES THIS DAC HAVE A MAJOR TECHNICAL ISSUE? SHOULD YOU BUY? 

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@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 2 года назад
UPDATE: This video has now been updated with 'live' chapter headings, accessible within the Description.
@ionobelisk
@ionobelisk 3 года назад
Good work Paul, admirably thorough research and persistence. Keep it up!
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
Thanks Chris.
@scotm3599
@scotm3599 3 года назад
I have watched a few of your videos. After seeing the persistence in pursuing this matter, I am now subscribed to the channel. Thank you for your diligence in reporting the issue and following it up for you and your subscribers.
@tonyjedioftheforest1364
@tonyjedioftheforest1364 3 года назад
Even though I am not thinking of buying one I found this very interesting. Thank you for sharing.
@benbenders6707
@benbenders6707 6 месяцев назад
I use a Benchmark DAC1 for my main sound system and two D50S, one at my desktop with iFi Zen Blue via coaxial input, one with WiiM Pro Plus streamer via coaxial input - both Toppins DACs powered by their own Topping P50 linear power supply. Very satisfied. No issues with the Toppings!
@Raveent
@Raveent Год назад
My experience to fixing the Topping D50S intermittent dropout sound problem on the coaxial input is that you have to use a 75ohm coaxial cable as short as possible, besides that you should also use a linear power supply because it will make the coax signal more stable compared to a USB phone charge. Since 6 months of using this method I never again experience the intermittent dropout sound problem as before. In my application I use a Monogami 2964 75ohm cable 50cm lengths with Amphenol ACPR connector and BRZHIFI 1A Linear Power Supply and coax input source from Sony BDP-S1500 BD player
@thomasward00
@thomasward00 3 года назад
Which is why I buy Schiit DACs... I also don't buy cheap chi fi amps...
@Tigeron1a
@Tigeron1a 3 года назад
The only thing I wish the modi had was Bluetooth, that’s a make it or break it as my significant other wants to stream from their phone.
@johngazsi
@johngazsi 3 года назад
I am absolutely hooked. I can not miss any of your videos as I am an audiophile fan. (the British made amazing NAD brand started it all for me //I still own one//) I love your incredibly well articulated ways. What a pleasure to watch and listen. I did buy the D50s after all. Thanks for letting us know how great this little inexpensive magic box is. Cheers.
@mrkymrk99
@mrkymrk99 2 года назад
You just reminded me to subscribe, he is a very good reviewer!
@bigme75201
@bigme75201 3 года назад
I've owned a D50s for over a year and use it regularly (although until recently mostly via the Optical input), about two weeks ago I added a laptop as a source via a the USB input, and two days ago a Pioneer Elite DV-48AV as a transport via the Coax input and so far I haven't had a single issue. If I'm an oddball for loving physical media so be it, man do I love CDs and thanks to the Topping DAC they sound fantastic.
@myles7522
@myles7522 3 года назад
Oh dear an audio nightmare in the making……as a newbie to dacs I’m glad I opted for the Zen Blue….thanks for such an interesting video….
@Herbridge
@Herbridge 2 года назад
The best audio equipment review so far in my whole life.
@SoraIroNaKISEKI
@SoraIroNaKISEKI 2 года назад
Really appreciated all your work trying to figure out the issue and making all the contacts. I'm shopping DAC recently and this video is really helpful.
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 2 года назад
Many thanks.
@webkemmi
@webkemmi 3 года назад
Hi Paul, I‘m pretty sure that there is a generic problem with the D50s Coax input since my issues are even more strange. My D50s is connected to a Bluesound Node with a 50 cm coax cable and worked without dropouts or other problems. Then I wanted to change the position of my Bluesound Node and therefore needed a longer coax cable. I changed it to a 2 m Sommer coax cable (of course a 75 ohms cable) and got no sound at all! The D50s didn‘t unlock and switched off after some seconds since there was no signal detected. I took another cable with a length of 1 m. This worked with cd quality tracks but playing high res tracks 24 bits, 192 kHz I got a sound full of dropouts and glitches! Next I tested with another 1 m cable and this worked perfectly! All the tested cables have been used before for other digital connections and I didn‘t ever experience any issues. I did some investigations in the internet if this was a known issue and found several users with exactly the same problem. Some cables work, others don‘t. The chance to get it work properly is better when using a short cable up to 0,5 m.
@leehimelfarb7117
@leehimelfarb7117 3 года назад
I have had this experience many times in the past 30 years, and I am confident this particular issue is much more common with digital equipment. First... there is only one digital RCA jack. Two... many inexpensive sourced parts (the RCA jack) come with protective coatings. Three... reconnecting a plug many times will eventually wear off that coating if you do not use a solvent like acetone or chloroethene to clean it. Four... this coating on the analog jacks will not create a problem but can be verified by scoping a sine wave on the outputs before and after you clean them. If you please let me know if that is the issue. Thank you.
@icespa2729
@icespa2729 Год назад
Thank you for sharing. I had an equally weird glitch. Long story short, after installing a new preamp and amp (with no tone controls), and after a new song was playing perfectly for days, all of a sudden one day, the playback went from stereo to mono! Problem fixed after swapping out a cable. Don't know and don't care what is the actual problem.
@mikeparker2383
@mikeparker2383 3 года назад
Very well communicated reviews full of easily understood substance. Finally there's someone that can make a review entirely interesting.
@athanasiossismanis2367
@athanasiossismanis2367 3 года назад
No problems at all for my topping d50s. 👍🏻Works perfectly fine.😁 The sad thing is that every time we purchase a product we hope to get lucky enough to not have a problem with it. 😏
@1x3dil
@1x3dil 3 года назад
Well Paul bless you what a todo as they say . First I must congratulate you on bringing this to our attention , you are a very honest and informative commentator . I hope that those who are in the industry are taking note of your concerns , My best wishes and kind regards as always 😀👍👍👍
@ajkyte
@ajkyte 3 года назад
Thank you 👍 The insight is invaluable to us the consumer.
@fletchermunson6225
@fletchermunson6225 3 года назад
Paul. You may be interested to know my experience. I have an Oppo 95 Blue Ray player that I've used as a transport for years. In order to save money, I purchased a half meter length of a rather expensive digital coax cable. The cable sounded fine to begin with then the music would stop. I had to restart things several times then nothing. I installed a firmware upgrade on the aging Oppo and no change. I contacted the confused cable company who very helpfully sent me a full one meter length of the same cable. Like magic the Oppo began working again and has continued to do so. The cable company was gracious enough to exchange my half meter for a full meter at no additional cost. The Oppo continues to work flawlessly with any one meter length of digital cable I use.
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
Many thanks for sharing your experiences.
@chrisrauschebart348
@chrisrauschebart348 Год назад
I had a similar problem with a electronic (in development) and it was a cold soldering connection, after the device was heat up, this problem was done. The only way to be sure this problem didn't occur again was to find the cold connection with ice spray and resolder this point. Nice video 👍
@docavvai
@docavvai 3 года назад
Thanks for the info. I am planning to purchase on tomorrow during the 11.11 sale. I am reconsidering now.
@mladenbasic1
@mladenbasic1 3 года назад
Loved this video. It was like watching a who done it audio review. Watched right to the last frame.
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
Very kind of you, Michael.
@threeplanker
@threeplanker 3 года назад
just happened across your channel watching dac reviews, read the comments and can’t believe no one has commented on the single cell orchestra vinyl…sub’d.
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
You and me both! :) And Thanks.
@dipanjanbiswas6580
@dipanjanbiswas6580 2 года назад
Truly well done - I would consider this akin to a journalistic pursuit of a story
@juanmillaruelo7647
@juanmillaruelo7647 3 года назад
Tighter tolerances is generally a good thing. But excessive jitter will fall outside those tolerances. The AKM fire set a flurry of redisign. Frenzied work left a few soft patches here and there. But run-in seemed to sort things out. In any case I would use USB connections for trouble free operation.
@JA-en5xc
@JA-en5xc 2 года назад
I seem to have a similar problem with the d50s. It always works with optical, usb, or Bluetooth, but coax input is very erratic. Sometimes works for days or weeks, and sometimes doesn’t work for days or weeks. I thought that it might be related to the raspberry pi streamer (with allo digione “hat”), but have become convinced that it is the d50s. Changed cables and tried other digital input sources, and it still doesn’t work. On the other hand, the raspberry pi streamer works fine into other dacs. The d50s coax input sometimes starts working again during the course of trying different configurations to “fix” it, but equally often stops working after I make some “innocuous” change (ex. unplug some cables to move things around slightly). I’m convinced now that it is some sort of noise/ground problem. I have seen reference online suggesting some bad resistor value choices that were used on the coax input.
@jorgeplaza7938
@jorgeplaza7938 3 года назад
I have a d50s and I have used it mainly with the Bluetooth connection (which has a very good sound quality I must say). I have also used the optical and digital connections with a Yamaha cd-s 300. The Usb connection I used it just for half and hour to test it with my PC. I must say I haven't had any of the issues described in the video and I have to say that I'm very happy with it, I like the construction and the sound quality it produces. I also have a audiolab 6000cdt I have just bought and I intend to use with the DAC in the near future.
@barrystamp8600
@barrystamp8600 3 года назад
Did you hook up your audiolab 6000cdt to the D50s coaxial input and if so did it work without dropout issue? Your D50s has the CS 8416 spdif chip as described by Paul in the video?
@jorgeplaza7938
@jorgeplaza7938 3 года назад
@@barrystamp8600 Yes, I connected the 6000cdt trough the d50s and had no dropout issues. I dont know if there are different chip models in this DAC, havent heard of it.
@barrystamp8600
@barrystamp8600 3 года назад
​@@jorgeplaza7938 Thank you for the info. It depends when you purchased your DAC...All new Topping using CS8416 spdif receiver (As mentioned by Paul in his video) instead of the AKM chip. What method you connecting the Audiolab to this Dac, opt or coax? What cable lenght + Make of cable are you using?
@sietchtabr5120
@sietchtabr5120 2 года назад
Thank you sir👍 I can see I'm not alone beeing annoyed with these "chinesish" issues. I'm not using coax with my E30-II, only usb and optical (wich I use for a bt receiver), no drop-out, at all. Some pops when I change file from dsd to regular pcm, but I guess it's about buffers...
@alandean2
@alandean2 3 года назад
I had similar problems of cutouts with the Audiolab 6000cdt when using the coaxial output. I suspect that the dac is good and the fault is with the Audiolab 6000cdt
@dcrook232323
@dcrook232323 Год назад
Kudos to/for your efforts. 👏
@chriskopinto
@chriskopinto Год назад
I am having an issue with UNLOCK that I cannot find any answers to! D50s DAC with P50 power supply; USB and Bluetooth work fine, but the UNLOCK issue is with OPT to my SONY CDP-XE370 CD player. I've tried two different OPT cables and the issue is still there. Please, can anyone help?
@damjanmozetic
@damjanmozetic 3 года назад
I just got a new D30Pro and similar cutouts happen constantly when connected via optical to my Technics SL-PS700 CD player. The Topping is updated to v2.45 firmware. Interestingly enough, if I turn down the "level" on the CD player the music would not play at all.
@gbmwaz
@gbmwaz 3 года назад
I have the earlier D50 w/P50 power supply (a huge upgrade sonically) and have never has this problem....I also like it better overall than the "hot" SMSL SU-9 too.....surprise! Sent it back. I am enjoying a SMSL M200 though. Pretty good in its own right.
@pauloqueiroz9611
@pauloqueiroz9611 Год назад
Please, how should I set up D50s as regards MQA? NO MQA SUPPORT/DECODER AND RENDERER/DECODER ONLY/RENDERER ONLY?? Would very much appreciate an advice on this subject. Thanks in advance
@edwardwood969
@edwardwood969 3 года назад
I had a similar issue with my new Audiolab 6000CDT connected to a Parasound Halo and thought the new CD player was defective. I tried a few other CD players with the same coax cable and had the same dropout issue. And guess what no more dropouts after disconnecting and reconnecting the different sources to the Halo I ended with the Audiolab player and it played perfectly. No dropouts. Maybe the dropouts were only in my head. I guess I'll never know.
@tingtai
@tingtai 3 года назад
Interesting... I have a Lavaudio DS600 which we all know looks very much like the Topping D50s but has an additional headphone jack. I regularly experience the same kind of drop-outs lasting 2~8 seconds between any given two tracks on a CD, when and only when I have a certain model of bluetooth speaker connected via a 3.5 to 3.5 cable to the DS600 headphone jack. No such problem occurs when I have a pair of earphones plugged in to the same headphone jack and everything works fine. I guess I will have to try cable connection of some other bluetooth speakers available around me and see how the CDs go.
@Shuddersfield0303
@Shuddersfield0303 2 года назад
I bought a Topping D50s yesterday and it's not working. My issue is with the USB input. The first time I connect the D50s and play a track I get approx 4 seconds of music then it cuts out. Any track after that i get silence. Bluetooth works perfectly well with the D50s and I don't have optical or coaxial cables to try. I bought the dac for the USB input so it's a real disappointment
@scessna1
@scessna1 Год назад
I too have had issues with this since i purchased it before the pandemic and thought it was me or my equipment, well since everything else is working perfectly i again conected the unit to my system and did some reserch on the web and low and behold its not me its you "TOPPING" Audiophile Man do you have any connections or reccommendations on how to get a refund or exchange for this piece of ? ty, SC
@uncletoma
@uncletoma 3 года назад
first at all, i prefear read articles instead to watching videos, but is my fault, i'm too old to rock and roll (too young to die) and, then, with P50 linear supply is another DAC
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
I will be producing a text version of this in the future. I’m aware that there’s plenty of text fans out there. Any updates will be placed in there too. Thanks for your comment though.
@uncletoma
@uncletoma 3 года назад
@@TheAudiophileMan my problem is that i'm not english motherrtongue, and my english knoweledge grade isn't enought good for tech terms. With a text i can use a dictionary or a translation site :)
@denysdashchenko7079
@denysdashchenko7079 11 месяцев назад
Hello, tell me - does it make sense to connect a linear power supply unit, will the changes in the sound be noticeable? or does it make any difference if you connect it to the charger from the phone?
@elpidiojrevangelista2420
@elpidiojrevangelista2420 Год назад
HI, any news about the Coax drop? was this fixed already? thank you.
@joepatterson3084
@joepatterson3084 2 года назад
any updates on this...It has been happening with my unit (+laptop /usb/RCA) roughly once or twice in a night of listening. Even being OCD I could live with this...tonight it's happening every 5 minutes....now it's driving me nuts...any ideas? suggestions? advice?
@MrDishdonkey
@MrDishdonkey 3 года назад
I have an issue with my E30 where it locks up and has to be reset. Only happens once in a blue moon but Topping are sending me a new one from China. I use the Coax input from my CD player (Marantz CD6007) occasionally but prefer the sound direct from the CD Player to my amp, but must say the coax has never given me any issues. I mainly use it for USB. When the new one arrives I'll try the coax again as this should have the Cirrus Logic input chip like D50s. I'll let you know how I get on.
@christianhaas5956
@christianhaas5956 3 года назад
My TOPPING D30Pro had the same issue. The chinese seller refunded the money, however I lost 120€ for customs and back shipping to China.
@rmzidann
@rmzidann 3 года назад
Finally! An honest and relatively negative review of a product! This is what happens when the reviewer is not “paid off”. Thank you!!
@kennethoransky4881
@kennethoransky4881 3 года назад
Could it be a particular run of the cirrus chip? I just recently purchased the D50s and haven't experienced the problem or any problem for that matter. Another thought occurred to me. The first time around you reseated the plug on the dac end. When you replaced the cable then used cable 1 again you reseated the cable on both ends.
@bobby666666
@bobby666666 3 года назад
Well I found this video very satisfactory as you did the best you could do. Thank you for your time, trouble and posting your findings. The question is which CD Transport did you use? I did advise previously of having this issue using the Audiolab CDT6000 Transport. I have just checked on the internet and my Denon Amplifier uses a different DAC Chip to the Topping. I did not swap the coaxial. I will try another and see. Could the issue be with the Transport. Since I mentioned the issue to you a few weeks ago, I did see that on a Amazon UK Audiolab Purchaser had the drop out issue too in 2019. So, including myself and the two other users online all having the issue in 2018, 2019 and 2021, it is not a batch issue. If you used the CDT6000, it could be that, or it could be both the Transport or the DAC. Strange. Who knows as there are so many different variables.
@barrystamp8600
@barrystamp8600 3 года назад
From my understanding it is the high demands of the new Cirrus logic spdif implementation used by Topping instead of the AKM chip in their older Dac models (AKM factory fire) that this CS 8416 CHIP is very picky especially with CD Player's that produce high jitter over spdif that this chip has problem 'locking' on to the signal or the signal is too low from the source. Topping have now put notices on some forums and Amazon that certain dacs should not be used with CD players due to this chip.
@richardgray9889
@richardgray9889 3 года назад
So, either don't use the Coaxial input or use better cables = better connection? Strange Problem Solved. Likely the language issue of "cannot resolve the issue" is a matter of Chinese to English translation. Nope, replace the cable. Replace the CD Transport. Argh! Will this go on forever!
@g.fortin3228
@g.fortin3228 2 года назад
Wonder if it was burn in time that had slightly changed something electrically back into spec and made it trouble free ?? Hmmm as long as it works :- ) Nice vid and explanation .
@jonsays3762
@jonsays3762 3 года назад
I prefer the “wiggle it just a little bit” tribe to that of the “burning in” mythologies.
@duke86fan
@duke86fan 3 года назад
I mean I'm pretty sure unless they intentionally stress test and wear it in.. audio will get better as the headphones get more used to things.. it's basically just the headphone components loosening up
@scessna1
@scessna1 Год назад
Using a Denon with usb connection and every 20 min unit will drop out and have to restart unit to work again definitely an issue with this unit. Guaranteed!
@aurelindiferent7
@aurelindiferent7 Год назад
Hi all ! I can't put d50s in 768 khz. Can somone help please ?
@duke86fan
@duke86fan 3 года назад
Is this a ground loop issue or so those cause different issues
@backrack01
@backrack01 3 года назад
Thank you for this.
@UDASAN1
@UDASAN1 3 года назад
What makes of cables w1 / 2 / & 3 you used on the Topping D50s dac ?
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
I think they were Tellurium Q, Black Rhodium and QED. I actually brought in Chord briefly too.
@UDASAN1
@UDASAN1 3 года назад
@@TheAudiophileMan My 4 month old Topping E30 Dac was Dropping out on coax 1 & 2 Times a track I have just bought a used D50s and 5 tracks in no dropping out at all we will see a few CDs Later ??
@elfo2007
@elfo2007 3 года назад
Tengo el D50s y pasa lo mismo, pero con algunas canciones. Lo tengo conectado al amplificador de audífonos y de este a unos parlantes. Descubrí que ocurre cuando el volumen del amplificador es bajo, cuando es alto todo funciona de maravilla
@jeremiahchamberlin4499
@jeremiahchamberlin4499 3 года назад
Enjoyed the video, I think we can all share similar experiences. Very good of you ‘take it to the next level’ several times. 🙂 Did you ever get back to the distributor to let them know your experience?
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
Thanks and yes I did. They were as bemused by the whole thing as I was :)
@ulisesmoreno5338
@ulisesmoreno5338 3 года назад
What about your power supply? I have a D50s but also got the linear power supply and never had an issue like that
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
I didn't see the power supply as a variable in terms of the issues I had.
@cmgogle
@cmgogle 2 года назад
maybe the clock drifted during break-in and the lock is now within tolerance
@mnfv77
@mnfv77 3 года назад
O think its a little unfair to topping. I had the same issue when connecting my tv to my audiolab 8200 with optical. The optical worked normaly with other sources though.
@MrPrinceofallsaiyan
@MrPrinceofallsaiyan 3 года назад
I just ordered 1 yesterday based on the first review and now i see this, does it affect usb connection? I only use usb.
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 3 года назад
USB's fine.
@gnawrot
@gnawrot 2 года назад
It looks that it is not Cirrus Logic chip. Sad that Topping company blamed CL chip.
@Mr2pint
@Mr2pint 2 года назад
I think this issue has been solved - or maybe not?
@gamingSlasher
@gamingSlasher 2 года назад
Fantastic story :)
@smellylittlekiwi5743
@smellylittlekiwi5743 3 года назад
I watched this because I was thinking of buying one....but now 🤔
@jamesmiller4487
@jamesmiller4487 3 года назад
You certainly have had a disappointing experience! I am lucky that I've never had any problems with my D50s/A50s stack, though I only use the USB and BT connections. In my particular use case I highly recommend the D50s, but based on your experience I might be much more hesitant to recommend it if coax is required.
@גדאור-ג7ע
@גדאור-ג7ע 2 года назад
thx man but i don't know what the hell your talking about...my d50s us working just fine....to say you don't think it's a dac we should buy?and after the problem was related to time or cable issues? i dont know....i had like 8 dacs this one sounds great.but thx for your review.
@justinpalmer2959
@justinpalmer2959 3 года назад
I used it with a AudioQuest Carbon and had no drop out issues
@גדאור-ג7ע
@גדאור-ג7ע 2 года назад
hi justin do you think i can hear sound difference's between coax cables ? assuming they work with no issues....i really wonder. and does optical cable sounds better or worse? thx
@justinpalmer2959
@justinpalmer2959 2 года назад
@@גדאור-ג7ע I found coaxial cables to sound more dynamic with a bigger wider soundstage than optical. The better the cable the bigger the increase of detail and tonality
@chrisgreen3100
@chrisgreen3100 3 года назад
ghost in the machine
@jonissesmarchadesch7025
@jonissesmarchadesch7025 Год назад
I’m never gonna buy a Chi Fi device ever
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan Год назад
That's a bit...extreme. I ate a less than tasty orange yesterday (it was rather bitter) but I'm not going to ban the fruit from my life :) I would take each case on its own merits. All HiFi is subject to tech issue, no matter where it comes from.
@jonissesmarchadesch7025
@jonissesmarchadesch7025 Год назад
@@TheAudiophileMan That's fair. Maybe I'll try one in the future. Maybe Chi Fi quality control would improve in the future.
@miaobinhuang2315
@miaobinhuang2315 11 месяцев назад
If your vocal pitch is lower or gloomier I think you will sound like David Attenborough..I dono.
@TheAudiophileMan
@TheAudiophileMan 11 месяцев назад
I promise to think gloomy thoughts in future.
@miaobinhuang2315
@miaobinhuang2315 11 месяцев назад
@@TheAudiophileMan 😂hope that you don't take it wrongly, I noticed my statement could be interpreted wrongly if not careful. You still have a nice voice I like listening to.
@johngordon1175
@johngordon1175 2 года назад
FUD!
@billsmith1545
@billsmith1545 3 года назад
Hi fi pixies at work
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