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From race 7 of the 2018 Tornado European championships at Torbole, Lake Garda, Italy.
Between 15 and 18 knots of wind.
Apologies for the wind noise in the microphone - it turns out that the GoPro Session 5 is not as good as the Gopro Hero 5 black in that department.
Our series was flawed by the first day having a series of issues with the boat (including the mast coming down) which with only 5 other races meant that there was no coming back.
Our end result was 15th.
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Комментарии : 174

@tonycove4488 4 года назад

Way to go boys! Best 40 mins of racing and onboard commentary I have ever seen. Awesome!

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

Thanks Tony!

@BRACEY12345 5 лет назад

I bob my head for every tack!

@npegg 5 лет назад

are you kidding me! under the hull, crew was hanginngggggg off the hull. What a trip this was.

@dirkhoflich3156 3 года назад

Think I gotta watch this a few times next winter - thanks Joe! You got me hooked on catamaran sailing!

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

Glad to hear it!

@ZuZuPeddles1 5 лет назад

Edge of my seat the whole video Joseph!!!! 11:38, frame that shot!

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

What a magic moment!

@ZuZuPeddles1 5 лет назад

I'm sorry, I just had to watch it all again! "It's not attractive, Chicks don't like it, but sometimes it's necessary" LOL Are you breaking wind or sailing!?

@shwell3215 5 лет назад

Highly enjoyed that, hope there's more to come

@BenNeuendorf 4 года назад

pure and simply loved to ride with you guys...well done :-)

@robbret 5 лет назад

Loved this video. Loved the commentary.

@keithangus4288 5 лет назад

Great vid - edge of the seat all the way !

@jds0912 5 лет назад

Holy sh*t that 'chute set was legendary. I may have to rig a kite on my H18 after seeing this downwind footage - absolutely hauling. Good stuff boys!

@tammielattman3314 5 лет назад

Thank' s for the ride, it was really a thrill...

@bashFromHenley 5 лет назад

Great stuff Joe - nice work!! Particularly enjoyed the commentary

@MegaArutnev 5 лет назад

Great video! Thanks from south of Spain!

@SailingTaranto 4 года назад

LOVED it from beginning to end. Thanks for getting me out there on a Tornado, that was exhilarating. I think I wanna do that more now, see I live here!

@bowwave59 5 лет назад

Nothing better than sending it down wind with a Spinnaker. 👍👍👍 lovely boat👍👍👍

@Aerial812 5 лет назад

Great video! Loved the commentary!

@markwentland3147 5 лет назад

Looks like a ton of fun !!

@JakeBullit123 5 лет назад

Great racing and commentary, cheers.

@matteobandiera483 5 лет назад

Your videos are fantastic💪🙌🇮🇹

@fortsik 5 лет назад

Nice race guys! Happy to met you there😀

@tomknight5432 5 лет назад

Great race and commentary! Well done :)

@johnlindatube 5 лет назад

Good teamwork and exciting race!

@jcowboy123 5 лет назад

I could watch this over and over. Great footage

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Me too!

@bajabugz5498 4 года назад

Fantastic , thank you .

@stefankrause4920 5 лет назад

STUNNING!!!!!!!!!!!! Great Video, exciting race!!!

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@Artberg100 4 года назад

Fantastic!

@John-yk3gt 2 года назад

J + J - that was brilliant. You are 'Steely-eyed missile men'. Very exciting racing and thank you for making the effort to film and commentate under those conditions. Brilliant.

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

Thanks John, i'm glad that you enjoyed it - this is still my favourite video that i've ever made!

@colinress 4 года назад

Really really great video! Makes me want to go to Vassiliki Soon! Great race on Lake Garda Joe!

@thomaselliott573 2 года назад

Wow. I always thought Tornadoes must have been special. In these perfect conditions they certainly are. Smooth speed.

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

Indeed! Such a great ride!

@Larkeshet 5 лет назад

Keep talking about trains. Please. And also, i actually watched the whole thing. Keep posting these vids. Thanks

@homefront3162 4 года назад

Exciting, well played. Nice Vid Joe

@donlandry5202 5 лет назад

Excellent team racing Joseph

@martinmalcheski939 5 лет назад

Great Job Great Video!!

@edwardmihevic2214 2 года назад

very cool , thanks for letting us tag along w/you.

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@BizOrNot 5 лет назад

Hello from Colorado! Thanks for taking us along! I really enjoyed your comments learned a lot by watching your excellent technique and rigging!

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@panoselchueco2016 3 года назад

I think i have watched this video more than 20 times! Love it !!! Awesome Joe and thank you for this live regatta! Waiting for more great stuff like this on September :P

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

Yes! This is my favourite video too. Unfortunately this years Worlds has been postponed so i'll have to do more Tornado sailing here!

@panoselchueco2016 3 года назад

@@JoyriderTV better for us!! :P see you soon!

@voornaamincognito7854 5 лет назад

Thrilling!

@sailingmission9640 5 лет назад

Nice race dude :) Great video too!!!

@jcowboy123 3 года назад

It never gets old 😊

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

Still my favourite.

@pamagee2011 4 года назад

Best racing vid on youtube.

@SunsetWingman 5 лет назад

Great video

@neilm4236 4 года назад

Nearly two year gone by and still love giving this vid a view, have lost count . Thankyou Joseph and John for my favorite utube video.

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

It's actually my favourite video as well. I don't watch my videos back often but this one I've watched quite a few times. I'm glad that you like it!

@cornebistouille 5 лет назад

nice race joe !

@sdcofer52 5 лет назад

Very good.

@DeeHutchy 3 года назад

Fantastic video Joe. The colour of adrenaline, hilarious. 🙂

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

Thanks 👍

@windsurfer49 4 года назад

"Reality TV " "At its best" This should be on TV""" great vid"

@srupp9271 4 года назад

awesome !

@phenom48 5 лет назад

I love your videos.

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

thanks very much!!!

@hobie_cat6015 5 лет назад

Hello Jo, thank you for the brilliant video! It was very funny how my reaction to the video was. My resting heart rate is usually 55-60 beats per minute. After about 7 minutes of your video I had an average heart rate of 98! Too bad that you couldn´t have a second run yet. I'm sure if you and your crew would sail regattas more often, then you would be right at the front. I went with you the whole time! The Spi maneuver on the windward mark was very nice. I never seen somebody do it like you do. Very interesting way of sloping away, just staying in the trapeze. Very awesome. I hope that someday I will have the money again to learn a trick or two from you in the sailing school. I drove on regattas last 2008-09 with the Hobie Tiger as crew. It was a nice time. I wish you a nice winter season and hope that you can power up for a nice 2019 season. best regards Olli

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

I'm glad that you enjoyed it. I've watched this several times now. I stay out on the trapeze with the spinnaker on the first leg to minimise movements and so that we can get the boat up to speed as quickly as possible. This proved to be very effective.

@pilotmark2861 Год назад

Love it . Used to own a Tornado !

@JoyriderTV Год назад

Such a great boat!

@greggreen5624 3 года назад

Great video! I felt like I was on the race course with you guys!

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

Yes, it's actually my favourite. Nice to get back to Garda.

@mrgustavoperez 2 года назад

I felt as if I was there. Thanks

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

🤩

@georgemurray6845 2 года назад

Wow! Loved the commentary! I was given a Tornado thirty years ago that was rotting again. I still have all the rigging. Never had the time or resources to build new hulls. Guess it is too late now. The rigging has changed a lot. About the only thing I can do is sell what is left to someone who might be able to use it. I basically sail a J24 now and would have a hard time adjusting to a trap. Great job crew!

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

If you can send me a list of what exactly you have and where it is I can put out an advertisement. totaljoyrider@icloud.com

@marguskiis7711 4 года назад

Damn fast.

@Jarod976 5 лет назад

Thanks for this great vidéo JO! I'm still learning in each !!! Yann from Mayotte, french island in indien océan .... (hobie cat 16 and 18)

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Thanks Yann, this is my favourite video I've ever made, such a special time. I'll try to get on a windy race course in the Hobie 16 to do something similar - that would be exciting stuff!

@misterfantastikscienz390 4 года назад

Wuaaooooou che velocità!

@smacdatazz 3 года назад

I've been watching this one a lot , amazing . . It seems you might have actually been helpful in that moment when they were about to capsize , blocking their wind long enough to regain balance of the boat . . Epic scene that was..

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

I didn't think of that - maybe those guys owe us a beer!

@richardstubbs6484 5 лет назад

Great video ! First time I've seen a whole race with helm commentary... Beautiful conditions! Exciting! Tell us a little bit about optimising VMG downwind please ?

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

In the Tornado, when it is windy enough to constantly double trapeze upwind, the difference it makes to the boatspeed and how smooth the ride is through the gusts and lulls makes it favourable to single trapeze downwind. No trapeze and you'd end up at a similar angle but with less speed, double trapeze and you'd not get as low. It's a difficult balance at times to decide which mode is going to fit best but generally on a fit boat, sailing faster is the best.

@MediaBrighton 5 лет назад

Awesome video Joe.

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Thanks Ben, it was a great race, it's nice to be able to relive it!

@MediaBrighton 5 лет назад

It's pretty unique being onboard and being talked through the race by you. After all these years I've still never actually sailed with you, so this is the next best thing.

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

next time you come here we'll make it happen!

@markjones3425 5 лет назад

Hi Joseph & Crew, LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE IT, Yeah Baby, great video and makes me SUPER excited to sail again this season. I have a T here in land locked British Columbia and it's a blast that's for sure. Your Spinnaker running rigging is very slick.. Can you by any chance show a close up of your rigging routing and would also be very interested in learning the best method for attaching and tightening the Spin Pole forward and mid stays. It would greatly appreciated if possible. In the mean time Enjoy and kiss your crew, he likes his fun too!

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

I won't be kissing my crew! That's for sure. I'll do some filming with the tornado once it's built. The rigging is quite similar to the Tigers that we have, and the bowsprit adjustments also. I've made a playlist of the videos i've made concerning the spinnaker system here: ru-vid.com/group/PLbNtP4MQ_X3eQ8Rvgmv5grsidgZfZeh3e

@prindle15portweller50 5 лет назад

Technical question. I noticed you pulled out the spinniker at one point, then you did a gybe and soon after pulled it back into the bag (not being used). Why? How do you tactically use the spin sail?

@TornadoCAN99 4 года назад

I'm just in t he process of selling my spinnaker rigged Tornado after a few decades of racing. You guys are doing alright! Couple of things I noted: Crew is running downhaul on the beat. We normally have crew on mainsheet, constantly fine trimming it to maintain boat attitude and only use downhaul for major power changes in wind. Also, I like how you went to the trap at the bear away mark, leaving crew on tramp. We'd normally reverse that, helm staying on deck and crew trapping off rear corner...but I can see how your method gets you out faster, less re-positioning and crew is then much quicker when needing to drop sail.

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

Thanks for your feedback. Eventually i will give up the mainsheet - having it as the helm is a by product of sailing with so many people out here. I have become attached to it so the crew gets the downhaul!

@sfbence 5 лет назад

Hi Jo, I am rather new for catamaran sailing, and have a basic question for the beating lag. As probably on all other boat, you seem to pull on hard the jib sheet and leave it fixed, and you steer to the wind with this setup. How do you use the jib telltales? On slower type of boats you are trying to steer the boat for parallel telltales on both windward and leeward side, but it appears to me, that through the higher speed of catamarans the windward telltale is indicating very soon that "I am pointing too high". As I want to adjust - bear away, as I get more speed, it is indicating again, that I should bear away again. And that could go on until I start reaching. So is there an optimum pointing angle for beating which is indicated by the jib telltales? Thanks, Bence

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

thanks for the question. Have a look at this one and let me know if you have any questions. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o0rCWYr3zAo.html

@flpalacios9633 3 года назад

We go on the cat with you!!!

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

I hope that you enjoyed it!

@danielhaglund244 4 года назад

Excellent video! I like it. What kind of top speeds are you reaching during a race in these conditions?

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

Probably something like 20 knots maybe 21 at a push.

@olivierleduc7305 2 года назад

good job on making a good cat racing video!!! would love to see you do one on a f18! wondering, you never ease the jib on the mark rounding? its effective on the f18, but maybe the tornado is not that sensitive to it?

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

If i get to an F18 event i'll certainly have the camera rolling. I think easing a little jib is always a good idea before the bear away.

@MegaArutnev 5 лет назад

Hi Joseph. Me and my friends follow your videos. If you want to sail in south of Spain ( Fuengirola, Málaga) you have my Hobie 16. Thanks for the videos!

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Thanks very much for your kind offer, If i'm coming to the area i'll get in touch!

@guentherobweger8066 3 года назад

HI Joe! I've done many mods to my Dart20 (mylar sails, Harken 10:1 mainsheet, spinnaker, 16:1 cunningham, barber hauler). I'm giving it the beans ambitiously, often single handed, and cannot fully avoid to capsize then and when ;-) I don't worry much about this, because I can easily right the boat singlehanded as long it doesn't turtle due to its watertight mast (using a ladder like a righting pole). Now I'm looking for a Marstroem Tornado and I'm wondering if I could right it single handed with my Dart technique as well. So please let me know: Is your carbon mast watertight? Does the mast tip float when you capsize Bad Boy 94? Can you avoid getting in turtle position? All the best, Guenther

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

The carbon mast on the Tornado is very light - i think using your ladder righting pole method you shouldn't have any problem bringing it up solo. The mast is sealed and with the lighter weight it's less likely to invert (although it will in certain situations) I think you should go for it!

@BastiaaNED590 4 года назад

BAD BOYS FOR LIFE

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

you know it!

@cselsmeyer 4 года назад

Skipper with no gloves sheeting the main in a decent breeze......manly hands for the win! lol

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

I'm glad that the manly hands are finally getting some recognition! Thanks

@stefanobenini4075 4 года назад

I live in Bolzano, It is less than one and a half hour from lake Garda.. I will take sailing classes next time you are there !

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

I don't know when that will be. I depends on when the next event will be.

@MegaArutnev 5 лет назад

Hi Joseph. I would like to know the name/type of the black and white cord/line for the main-sheet. I want it for my Hobie 16. Thanks!.

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

It's Maffioli Swiftcord 9mm. A little slippery when new but very nice once you've broken it in.

@cjprimata 5 лет назад

Well done! What was the final position?

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

At this one we finished 16th

@brainvisionproduction6728 4 года назад

💯💥

@filippo7756 3 года назад

🤙

@squid0013 5 лет назад

What is your crew playing while going up wind? The Cunningham? Thanks for the video

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Yes, he's pulling it on as the gusts hit and easing when it drops.

@squid0013 5 лет назад

@@JoyriderTV that is what i thought. I run a recently new to me prindle 19 and have her set up similar to a classic tornado on all my controls. I've been told to treat her like the classic tornado and she'll work fine. Love the videos man. Keep it up

@mario_3727 4 года назад

22:48 in Italian style... me an Italian: you got it bro

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

Don't get me wrong - the style is aggressive and confident. I like it!

@mario_3727 4 года назад

Joseph Bennett I knew it, here in Italy competition is really strong and important.

@miojogames1887 3 года назад

Hi Joseph, I like all of yours videos. I am thinking about buying a Tornado for a play boat ( not racing), what do you think? It is a good idea? Thanh you !

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

If you have a regular crew and enough space to park it i think it's a great idea. You can pick them up fairly cheap for how much boat and speed you get. Very strong and fast!

@heather6smiles 5 лет назад

Ring twitcher!

@Nils_Hammarsten 2 года назад

The trapez adjusting system. Better ghzn the dog bone on the HC16. Where to buy?

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

Any Hobie dealers would have the parts to put it together.

@juliantankard4586 5 лет назад

Are you coming to NZ for the Worlds?

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

Unfortunately not, although i'd be mad for it. Too far for me at this time.

@Bonecrusher944S2 10 месяцев назад

Joe. Never saw a video on the Rules of Racing. Is it just too complicated to explain, or just becomes a part of your inner being ?? Thanks

@JoyriderTV 10 месяцев назад

You're right, I haven't done much on this but here's one I made earlier: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6bL-JlNrul4.html

@Bonecrusher944S2 10 месяцев назад

@@JoyriderTV thank you. Maybe after the Tornado Worlds you could comment on the rules that applied during the race. The most confusing for me is upwind boat approaching a downwind boat and the two boat length rule near the mark . Thanks Joe.

@kurthenze2900 Год назад

What point of sail are you sailing when your gennaker is up? I'm assuming a broad reach. Why don't you pull up your centerboards? Are you not sailing that deep? Are you between a broad and a beam?

@JoyriderTV Год назад

yes, broad reach - on the Tornado, we keep the boards down the whole time - the are very short and low aspect.

@PTXclusive 4 года назад

I think you have a self-tacking jib...but what is the crew-man holding in his hands?!

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

The crew is holding the downhaul - pulling it on as the gusts come and easing for the lulls.

@PTXclusive 4 года назад

@@JoyriderTV okay...when I sail upwind I will pull it "tight" and when I sail half wind I loose it a bit. But the way you do it is better?!

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

@@PTXclusive If you are having to sheet out main for the power then more downhaul will turn that extra power into extra speed. If you need more power ease the downhaul. Let off some downhaul before going down wind (although I don't on the H16)

@PregnyChambesy 3 года назад

Great video--very nicely raced. Windsurfers remind me of gnats--need to swat them away! Keep posting them. Would be awesome to combine the video with RaceQs software so we could see the trajectories of the boat(s) and wind shifts. Love your other videos--very inspiring. Wildwind would be a dream--someday!

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

I'll look into raceq i never saw it but sounds interesting. Thanks

@jn8979 3 года назад

raceqs.com/podcast/

@abeljansen4023 4 года назад

why cant you guys both stand in the trapeze at down wind

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

It is possible but for the most efficient speed to angle on the downwind single trapeze is the most efficient

@froelichethan 5 лет назад

For that situation around 34 minutes when you wanted to go above that boat, couldn’t you have just eased the traveler then that would give you more height?

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

yes, absolutely. Or better still we could have double trapezed at that point, for some reason in the heat we weren't ready for those options.

@ProstetnikV 3 года назад

All you guys, never had an experience like this, riding a boat that fast, you missed something. That's for sure...

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

For sure!

@claudiobaer9039 Год назад

these guys are gonna park at this buoy 26:00...🤣🤣

@JoyriderTV Год назад

sometimes you just have that feeling!

@josephhagen4493 4 года назад

Did you win?

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

That race we finished 6th and got 10th overall

@josephhagen4493 4 года назад

Joseph Bennett oh no! Better luck next time, I really hoped you won though!

@johnnyfarrow5591 5 лет назад

I noticed how you don’t go ‘block to block’ sailing upwind. Why is that?

@JoyriderTV 5 лет назад

it's just because of the distance between the boom and the rear beam - unless I put a strop from the clew there'll always be a gap between the blocks. (unlike the 16 where the boom is much lower)

@johnnyfarrow5591 5 лет назад

Joseph Bennett I guess the the mast rake on a hobie 16 is a lot more as well which contributes to this as well. Amazing footage by the way. Would love to come to wildwind one day. Thank you.

@emmanuelrooms6257 3 года назад

Shouldn’t the crew be handling the mainsheet

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

That is the normal routine. On our boat in these conditions I keep control of the mainsheet so that the crew can play the downhaul.

@user-tv4nn1nh4g 3 года назад

👍👍👍🇺🇦

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

Thanks!

@edersonrodriguezsalomao199 3 года назад

Lake garda

@JoyriderTV 3 года назад

The best venue for racing!

@edersonrodriguezsalomao199 3 года назад

@@JoyriderTV I like sailing Racing

@edersonrodriguezsalomao199 3 года назад

Northern Italy is beautiful

@sivanocal6247 2 года назад

Joseph come turkey istanbul

@JoyriderTV 2 года назад

I'd love to!

@angusmacsac 4 года назад

so hardly ever any jib sheet adjust??!!, u don't bother to lift your dagger neither?

@JoyriderTV 4 года назад

not on the tornado - I saw pictures from 20 years ago - people were lifting the centreboard then but now even the top guys don't. Jib stays cranked to keep it flat