Torpedoes in the Darkness - IJN Niizuki's Great Success

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What is the longest-range torpedo hit in history?
That's a harder question to answer than you might think. That it's a Japanese torpedo is pretty well accepted. But there are two competing ships here. The cruiser Haguro, at the Battle of the Java Sea being one. The other being IJN Niizuki, a destroyer in the Solomons. That is more commonly brought up these days, but exactly how far she launched her torpedoes is...disputed.
What isn't disputed, is the fact that she used radar to launch those torpedoes. It's rare when the Japanese get the better of the Americans with radar at all, and Niizuki is the golden example there.
Further Reading:
www.history.navy.mil/research...
www.combinedfleet.com/niizuk_t...
www.combinedfleet.com/niizuk_o...

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@marckyle5895 Месяц назад

The third longest would have to be the torpedo that hit USS North Carolina which was part of a spread fired at USS Wasp which was approximately 10-11km away

@metaknight115 Месяц назад

Actually, both the Haguro and her sistership Nachi torpedoed and sank the Dutch light cruisers De Ruyter and Java respectively from 16,000 yards, around 8 miles.

@fabianzimmermann5495 Месяц назад

Very good video, I like it. I'd like to add a little bit by using Dark Waters, Starry Skies by Jeffrey R. Cox for some additional information on Niizuki's attack. According to the book, the Ralph Talbot (which was not part of Strong's bombardement group but the invasion group, which was closer to the Japanese ships) did have two radar contacts heading away from Kula Gulf at high speed, but the contacts were lost after four minutes. The Japanese were travelling close to shore and this probably hid the ships at least partially from the American radars. Admiral Ainsworth, the American Task Force Commander, was aware of Ralph Talbot's contact and was talking to the destroyer during the time that Strong ended up getting hit, but he was also apparently extremely confused by the damage to Strong and did not realise he had been attacked by surface ships, since the distance between the radar contacts and the Strong seemed to far for torpedo attack. He concluded he had been attacked by submarine and Ralph Talbot's contact had been a surfaced sub. (Despite there being two contacts and those moving at 25 knots.) The book also states that the distance was about 11 miles and the hit was most likely either from Niizuki or Nagatsuki, since Yunagi carried smaller torpedoes and the hit on the Strong was so massively devastating.

@alephalon7849 Месяц назад

It's an impressive feat, all right. Not only did the Japanese use radar quite effectively, but Niizuki effectively sniped Strong, even if it's more likely due to luck.

@waynedavis7245 Месяц назад

Great video as usual. Keep them coming.

@bkjeong4302 Месяц назад

The Long Lance was frankly at its deadliest at the same ranges other torpedoes would be launched at, with its stealth and much greater speed giving it an advantage over said other torpedoes. But I figure that other torpedoes literally wouldn’t even be able to run far enough to do what Niizuki managed.

@genericpersonx333 Месяц назад

Yeah, most every other standard torpedo I can finds is under 12,000 meters for their "long-range" settings, most notably less than that. Really reflects the entirely different doctrines informing the design requirements.

@elmanco6885 Месяц назад

@@genericpersonx333Yeah, I was surprised when USN main battle line cruisers had no torpedos. Comparing to japanese or other countries cruiser designs, I haven't read other navies torpedo's doctrine but I understand that the japanese torpedo doctrine is unique, apart from long range and a bigger explosive charges their ships had torpedo recharges

@clmk28 Месяц назад

It is a great video, love the attention to detail you provide

@scarletcrusade77 Месяц назад

Could you do a video about that NZ frigate that destroyed after a long dual an IJN submarine please? Does anybody know which one I’m referring to?

@heamatone Месяц назад

HMNZS Moa and Kiwi 🇳🇿

@heamatone Месяц назад

Hmnzs moa and kiwi🇳🇿

@pickeljarsforhillary102 Месяц назад

The Knights who say Niizuki

@metaknight115 Месяц назад

Luv that movie.

@user-tp6vt6ib4y Месяц назад

What happened to all the torpedoes that miss? Did they pose a danger later? Any ship damaged just hitting one?

@genericpersonx333 Месяц назад

Oh yeah. A LOT of friendly ships have been hit, damaged, and even sunk by torpedoes that missed their target and went on to hit said friendly vessels. The IJN in particularly had serious problems with this because they tended to fire more torpedoes at a greater distance. As for what happened to the fish that didn't explode: most simply ran out of fuel and then sank to the bottom, where they remain to this day in varying states. Most are in deep-enough water that they can't do significant harm if they happen to detonate, and most in shallow waters where they could be real hazards have long been cleaned up. Still, once in a rare while, someone finds an old torpedo under a dock, in a shipping lane, or otherwise in a bad place, and Explosive-Ordnance-Disposal is detailed to sort them.

@kellyschram5486 Месяц назад

So your saying the torpetos could go a greater distance then they where accurate. And some random destroyer got lucky

@genericpersonx333 Месяц назад

To be technical, the torpedoes were actually very accurate; properly-working torpedoes would end up almost exactly where they were supposed to at the end of their runs. The real question was more if the enemy would actually be where you were aiming when the fish finally got there, given torpedoes are not actually that fast compared to common warships. Even if you had perfect aim based on a perfect prediction of the target at the time of launch, nothing stopped the target from making some course and/or speed change that resulted in them being in a very different place when all was said and done. The further away one shoots the fish, the more opportunity for the target to simply not be where it was supposed to be.

@metaknight115 Месяц назад

Question: Could painting a ship black help to hide it at night?

@ThomasWIck-ms5tj Месяц назад

But not from Radar

@metaknight115 Месяц назад

@@ThomasWIck-ms5tj Interesting. I wonder why navies didn't do that more often? May have helped out a few Japanese ships throughout Guadalcanal.

@atomicwedgie8176 Месяц назад

In the tropics it would be an incredible heat sync, absorbing the heat from the sun. It would be absolutely miserable!

@tobiasfreitag2182 Месяц назад

The Austro hungarian and the german navies painted their torpedoboats in ww1 black for night attacks. The austro hungarian navy also conducted some tests to find de best color for night operations with some interesting colors tested and some interesting results. I will have to look it up at home for the exact results, but two of the colors tested that seemed to work surprisingly well where chocolate brown and red. Although unsurprisingly red, while very good in the dark, it was very visible when spotted by search lights. All colors had some sort of problems under certain circumstances, but as far as I remember, grey and black were best. Blak did better in search lights but was easier to spot in the dark as it often presented a dark silhouette that could be spotted relatively easy under certain conditions (moonlit night for example). Grey was better allround under normal lighting conditions at night but easier to spot with search lights

@genericpersonx333 Месяц назад

Ironically, black can actually make a ship stand out MORE at night because of contrast. You want your ship to be as close to the color of the sky behind the ship, and most night skies are actually lighter than most black paint schemes. Now, the Human eye will be less able to see a darker ship against a lighter sky than a lighter ship against a darker sky, but at that point, the variation in night vision of individual human observers become more relevant than the physics.

@ericvadekro8334 Месяц назад

Only 46?

@mikemccolum5832 Месяц назад

What about wt naval?

@elmanco6885 Месяц назад

Much like the other gamemodes, War Thunder reflects not much about reality, especially in naval. Warships are designed for a specified role and purpose in warfare, that can't be reflected in the game. And, I don't think War Thunder naval damage models are the best from the game