I think what makes Woody's rejection so tragic is that he's the only toy of himself to exist. According to the creators Andy's dad gave woody to him after he passed away which was his childhood toy
Didn't seem too wrong to me. The film made a point at the beginning about Woody giving up his happiness with Bo because Andy needed him still. Bonnie had been established as not needing Woody(through plot contrivance, admitably), and thus, Woody finally could do something for his own happiness, rather than that of his kid as he had been doing his whole life.
Exactly. Pixar went out of her way establishing her being an antagonist in the trailer and even showing a clip of her eyeing Woody's pull string. But as the film went on, she became more sympathetic and misunderstood.
Caleb yes, when they literally made THREE movies emphasizing this theme...yes it is. its too sudden and out of place. if there were good writers then it would have been okay. but this movie was not written well at all imo.
Woody has had so many opportunities to pursue his own happiness across the 3 films, but he always ultimately chooses Andy and the toys. He is a leader, and that's what leaders do. Woody doesn't live for himself. Selflessness is a great lesson to teach to children. What has Disney got against selflessness?
Here's the thing, I loved Toy Story 4, but it was leaving the other characters on the side with almost no purpose, and just doesn't have the spark of "friendship" as much as it did in the third one. Like, we needed more Jessie, Ham, Rex, Buttercup, ect in this, now its just focusing on just few characters
this is exactly how i felt about finding dory. dory and hank were the starts while marlin and nemo didnt do anything. it felt so weird. these sequels need work!
@@Kicksno1fanNot to mention wasting the Tank Gang who had a major supporting role in the original film (well, except Jacques who’s mostly useless) in helping Nemo escape from the tank and get back to his father while saving him from death at the hands of a child who’s neglectful when it comes to having pet fish. Only relegating them to an after credits scene, which I’m sure most people know now in the 7 years since Finding Dory’s release, but those who don’t sit around till after the credits wouldn’t have known about it and wonder why they didn’t make a comeback. And even then it’s just them getting “captured” after successfully escaping the dentist’s office and ending up in an even bigger tank at the Marine Life Institute. Also sucks that the deleted scenes had them having a larger role in them not only reuniting with Nemo and meeting Marlin, but helping them find Dory (and also rectifying my criticism of Jacques being mostly useless by having him more present and serving a functional role in the gang). Hopefully, we get a Disney+ series showing their escape from the Marine Life Institute and their reunion with Nemo.
Every movie in a great series needs to feel conclusive in _some_ way, because if it isn't you risk creating an unsatisfying half-story that doesn't get a conclusion.
Absolutely. They could easily move on from Woody and continue the story from Buzz and the other toys perspective if they wanted...I think they are aiming in that direction...kind of surprised that they didn't got Buzz out of the story some other way as well
That's why you don't give away something that carries precious memories to some young kid who can never understand what it means to you and who you never even met before.
Toy Story 5 Andy: Hello Bonnie! Have you been taking care of Woody? Bonnie: ... Andy: ...? Bonnie: I, umm... lost him on a road trip... Andy: *deep inhale* BOI
Andy comes back for woody with knowledge of he is worth serious coin, and in massive college debt. Andy: hey you still have woody? Bonnie: I lost him. Andy: you lost my one special toy I had sense I was in pre-k, and he's worth millions of dollars.. Bonnie's mom: you the idiot that left your toy with a 6 year old.
SPOILER Kinda wish we saw more of Jessie and her trying to be the new leader of the group or something, since Woody gives her his sherif badge at the end, it would have felt a little more satisfying
Yeah, besides the beginning, that kinda came out of nowhere, and we could've gone without it. Also weird that Bullseye wasn't too sad about Woody leaving, considering that scene in 3.
Andy doesn’t play with Woody for years. “It’s cool I’ll always be there for you buddy” Bonnie leaves him in the closet for three days “Aight im about to head out.” Edit: it’s a joke seriously don’t get so heated
To be fair Andy was growing up and moving on like woody said every toy goes through that Bonnie was never worried about where woody was and flat out ignored him
But we never got to see Bo a whole lot in the first two films she was just a background character that didnt do much except be woody's love interest. I think if anything the fourth film gets more in depth with Bo's personality i know the strong independent female character has been played out dozens of times but its better than nothing.
Ci Fur but he was loved by a kid until his journey came to an end with him. So now he has found new purpose in helping other toys have that same experience.
Except Woody isn’t being loved by a kid anymore. That’s literally the whole point of the movie. It’s asking what a toy’s life is worth when they no longer receive love from a child.
I rather have more Toy Story than live action (or creepy looking CGI) remakes of animated classics... Movie was great, I can see some complaints about Bonnie but I'm ok with it. Makes sense a little girl would play more with Jessie than Woody honestly.
More Toy Story (considering that Toy Story is good-to- great at worst and phenomenal at best) and animated remakes of animated Disney classics is a MUCH more refreshing idea than animated Disney Animation films with the live-action treatment.
My dream ending for this movie was woody being found by a young boy at one of the carnival stops. The kid shows the cowboy to his dad and plot twist, the dad IS ANDY. He recognizes woody and let’s his son keep him. Then it fades to black and Andy yells “that kid had ONE JOB!” While the screen is still black and then the credits roll.
Art_ By_Taffy Nah they were awesome. They were so different from your average cartoon characters and I laughed at a lot of their scenes. Totally deserved more screen time.
@@lord_ozymandias I feel they were unusual for Toy Story characters, but I didn't find them annoying like some movies try to do with a bunch if their characters.
As much as I tend to agree with a lot of the points you make in your reviews, I can't help but think you might be reaching a bit at times. For example, the whole issue surrounding Bo Peep's redesign had nothing to do with Captain Marvel or the 2016 Ghostbusters movie, but was more about whether or not it would cause inconsistencies with her characterization. A lot of times, when studios try to revamp characters to be what they consider "more relevant", it usually ends up being too drastic to the point of being almost unrecognizable, feeling forced and unnatural. Thankfully, I wouldn't really consider that to be the case here, but it's still a legitimate concern nonetheless, especially when it comes to characters people have grown up with for decades. Also, I think it's worth noting that a lot of the reports of Pixar supposedly having a bad track record with female directors are most likely being overblown. That's not to say I'm denying the possibility of potential misconduct, but Rashida Jones has already made it clear that her departure from Toy Story 4 was not related to anything like that. As she puts it, "We did not leave Pixar because of unwanted advances. That is untrue. We parted ways because of creative and, more importantly, philosophical differences." I hope that clears things up. Finally, I want to point out that even though they might not have proper owners, Bo Peep and the rest of the lost toys still understood the importance of making children happy. Not only does Woody emphasize this, but it's also essentially the main overarching theme of the Toy Story series. Hearing you say it's about how "toys can be happy without kids" misses the point and seems rather ironic to me, especially considering Toy Story 2, which you say is your favorite film in the series, is basically all about deconstructing the problems with that mentality. It's precisely why Woody ultimately decided against being preserved in a museum in that movie, and in Toy Story 4, it's why he prioritizes finding other toys a home over anything else. Understanding the impact you leave on others and living for more than just yourself has always been the true message of these films.
@@wtfyoutube4873 his growth and character arc, you literally see his mental progression throughout the films, his coping mechanisms, his empathy and his loyalty turning into his tragic flaw that he eventually over comes
@@adi-qf2wb his arc ended in toy story 3. His arc was how loyal he was to Andy. Not his friends or his independence. Toy story 1 woody was addicted with being the star but toy story 3 woody wanted to be with his friends and another child. Woody was always independent.
I enjoyed Toy Story 4 when I saw it. I really liked the jokes and the new characters (I have a weakness towards dolls like Gaby, and she's definitely a favorite for her story and ending to it), but the movie's ending left a really sour taste in my mouth. I understand why Woody did it, but it made the heart wrenching ending to Toy Story 3 feel tossed away. Bonnie had Woody for about a year or so (considering the movie takes place near her first day of Kindergarten).
Okay, but tell me something, doesn't that somehow satisfy you?I mean think about it : Woody wasn't needed no longer with Bonnie and he had just reunited with someone who he loved so much.Sure, it's sad to think that everyone will part their ways, but that's what makes it so special.In a ending note, every Toy Story served and made its purpose.From the arcs, to the wide variety of friends and supporting cast members, it was a true masterpiece that will forever in my heart.Negativity is just another way of looking on the positive side of life.:)
Every time *I* saw him I wanted to run out screaming. Seriously. The photorealistic animation combined with the uncanniness of a dummy IRL and how much it was shot and lit like a horror movie and AAARGH Also speaking of the photorealistic animation... I SWEAR THAT CAT WAS FILMED IN LIVE ACTION OML
I like to think Forky's existence is an allegory about how having a purpose keeps us thriving to live. Yes, I'm doing that much analyzing about a cartoon.
I absolutely LOVED watching this movie. Just everything about it tickled my fancy. I couldn’t get over how much I loved Forky and i how the “bad guy” wasn’t really a bad guy. Ahhh i just loved this movie so much. 10/10 in my books.
I like to think of Toy Story 3 as the perfect ending to the Andy Saga, whereas Toy Story 4 is the perfect ending to Woody’s individual character arc. As a movie I think I prefer it to 3, personally, having watched both recently. Not sure if I love it more than 2, but honestly I think every Toy Story film remains a masterpiece.
Is it bad I was super peeved (and it still rubs me the wrong way) that Woody leaves his friends and his owner? Especially considering how a huge character trait of Woody is his loyalty.
@@smugalice6206 No, it's not bad. I myself was surprised when Woody left his friends and Bonnie because he was the most loyal and committed of the gang.
Blue Asterix It’s more than being surprised. I was fuming for a whole day because I think it was a betrayal of Woody’s character that taints the rest of the franchise. Lines like “Besides, when it’s all over, I’ll have old Buzz Lightyear to keep me company. For infinity and beyond.” now age like milk because of Toy Story 4’s ending.
Woody and Buzz’s friend hug at the end was so heartwarming because of the little detail where HE HUGGED HIM JUST A LITTLE CLOSER/TIGHTER SHOWING HOW HE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO MISS HIM AND EVERYONE ELSE. I WAS SO CLOSE TO CRYING AT THAT POINT
Before this, I Thought Woody's voicebox was literally his lifeline or heart, like he would literally Die without it..so I was so scared when he chose to give it to Gabby, when they showed He Can live without it...I just breathed with relief if that sounds weird.
InvaderK0n9 his voice box was his connection to kids and to their imaginations. By giving up his voice box, he was directly cutting his connection to that, which somewhat foreshadows him leaving Bonnie later in the film. It makes that part even more sad if you think about it✨
brandon meacham for some reason I thought that his voice box gave him the ability to communicate, so when he gave it to Gabby Gabby I thought he would no longer be able to speak lol.
I was scared about that,like she was gonna pull a:"I got everything I needed,now fuck this guy". But thank God she didn't,she ended up being my favorite part of the movie and her last scene is one of my favorite scenes of cinema in it's entirety.
If Toy Story 3 was the perfect end to the series, 4 is essentially a really well-done feature-length epilogue. It didn't need to be made, but it's absolutely worth seeing.
The inner voice of buzz subplot also entirely subverts his leadership qualities he displayed in Toy story 2, completely reversing the character's growth.
No, people hate this film because it has "4" in the title. I don't know why but everybody seems to think that number is a curse to all franchises and it automatically makes the movie bad.
I really liked about this movie that the "villian" almost can't even be considered a villian. She never really has any evil intentions and she never tried to damage anyone really, and she was perfectly able to reason and speak things up easily. I see her more as a desperate person rather than an evil one.
I honestly had low expectations for TS4 so i was surprised that i actually enjoyed the movie. But the ending didn’t feel right and it felt anticlimactic imo. I mean, Woody leaving behind his super close friends who he’s shared so many life-threatening experiences with is obviously a big deal, but in the post credit scenes it just shows everyone all normal like nothing happened and i was thinking “oh. okay, woody’s gone i guess”. idk the ending just felt incomplete to me. But, considering Woody didnt have his voicebox anymore, Bonnie probably would have cared for him even less so i guess i understood him becoming a lost toy or whatever. I was a bit sad that the classic characters were so insignificant and just sat in an RV the whole time. That’s all i disliked, really. I laughed out loud a few times which was a plus. The stuffed animal duck and rabbit were absolutely HILARIOUS. I knew they were going to be from the trailer, but the key scene was still funny, even though they did replay that joke three times. it was still awesome. Also i agree, Buttercup’s one-liners cracked me up. Forky was a little amusing, but he annoyed me a little as well. I watched this in theaters and every single kid under the age of nine cracked up whenever Forky was on screen. It was cute. When Benson first appeared i jumped and kind of shrieked. I was in the second row and not prepared for that haha. I have to admit, i loved how eerie and creepy the dummies and gabby were at first. Also i LOVED gabby’s character. i really wasnt expecting that harmony kid to just reject gabby. I genuinely felt hurt for gabby (is that weird?) and i actually got emotional when she got handed off to the lost girl. but yeah those are just my opinions. I’ve never been a hardcore toy story fan but i liked the movie. I definitely agree with the second being the best. I forgot how much i liked Jessie. solid 8/10
I, too, didn't want this movie to exist at first. But i got over that and decided to give the movie a chance. I LOVED IT! I understand why some people say this isn't as tear-jerking as the third one, but i still cried. Even more so because i'm a Bo Peep/Woody shipper myself. Also the "Key" joke is golden.
I don't have creativity the part where they needed to get the key and like the two stuffed toys were coming up with more violent ways to get it but it ended up just landing on the shelf. Also my friend got especially scared at the first scene meeting gabby gabby and the dolls cause they play music from The Shining at the beginning, really set him on edge lol
Apparently after this movie Pixar is no longer doing sequels (at least not for years) and all their announced films are fully original concepts (i.e. Onward and Soul) You should look into it! It sounds pretty interesting and I'm pumped for Onward! Just thought it was worth sharing.
@@doommaximus6388 apparently the plot for Onward is two brothers go on a quest to find out if magic still exists in their world, and Soul takes place in New York City (I think?) that has a lot to do with the "cosmic realms" (like space) , could be wrong
I am SOOOO EXCITED for Onward! From what I've heard of Soul, though...Inside Out copy-paste. Kind of like that one meme format: Soul: "Can I copy your homework?" Inside Out: "Just change it up a little so it's not obvious." Soul: *exists*
It's an epilogue story. Obviously the story's already done, we see the conclusion to the core relationship of Andy and his toys in 3, but an afterword telling us where they are know what happened and wrapping up loose ends. I really liked Toy Story 4. Also those upset about Andy's wish to Bonnie, how much stock can an adult put in a little girl really, especially kne he doesn't know. It kind of plays into why Andy was hesitant to give up Woody in the first place, but in that moment he knew what was best and let Woody go part ways and let them both go on to forge his own path. Something Woody literally did in Toy Story 4. Also, how many people actually go back and check on the toys they gave away. I know we want to hold Andy to a higher standard but in truth, they're just old toys to him, humand almost never knew the toys were alive and that was part of the whole series plot. Also a grown man telling a little girl to keep a toy in good care, maybe she wasn't playing with Woody because she was scared she would damage him and in the long run just accepted that he'd be better off in the closet.
@@baddealdude807 what movie did you watch? She took his voice box BY FORCE, the fucking puppets held him and pulled it out of his back without his consent, serously, did we watch the same movie?, WTF.
The thing about Bonnie especially in her treatment with Woody, yes it's realistic that child can't exactly hold a promise and forgets things after a while, but that it felt a little contrived and weakened Toy Story 3's ending a fair chunk. I feel like a thing people overlook is that when you take into consideration all the various post Toy Story 3 shorts and tv specials and not just the films alone, it feels like a very Natural Evolution of her development and psyche. Because she was still bringing Woody along on her adventures, heck in the two television specials he's one of the few toys in both groups to go along and that says something when Jessie has gone long in only one of those Adventures and not both. Yes I get in a meta standpoint that it's kind of required that Woody and Buzz has two be along for the adventure because they are the main characters of the franchise, but still it says something that Bonnie still took Woody and did for a while anyways uphold her promise to Andy. And let's not forget that in the 4 Dolly did says that Bonnie is an Andy and she would naturally gravitate towards the toys she likes, if Woody was the only Sheriff toy in the group and there was no other options, I'm sure Bonnie would have played with Woody lot more. But the fact that Jessie is in the group as an alternative to Woody for who's going to be the sheriff in her play time, she would naturally gravitate towards her, in other words Jessie was Bonnie's Woody in the same way that Woody was Andy's Woody, if that makes sense. Just something to take into consideration when talking about Bonnie's treatment to Woody, it doesn't entirely justify the treatment of Woody in 4, but it does contextualize it.
My main 2 problems with the movie are how they handled buzz and the other characters (especially Buzz, as he seems a lot dimmer), and how Bonnie treats Woody, as it backtracks a lot from 3
I liked that the film felt smaller in scale. Most US animated features need to know that not every film has to be grand in scope or scale. I liked the more personal story and themes attached to Woody and the story overall. It was really touching. I do agree that while Buzz I don't think had a horrible arc, could have been more interesting. I liked that they took a No-Face approach to the villain where she technically wasn't a bad person. Plus, you didn't say this, so you probably don't know about it, or forgot to put it in the script, but they aren't doing anymore sequels. They made it clear after TS4, that it's all original films onward (heh). I found some of the sound in the video to sound muddled and the angry voice thing sounds like you both are straining. letterboxd.com/camseyeview/list/best-to-worst-animated-films-of-2019-wip/ Still, it's 4th place for me right now.
I wish they could've given the other toys more to do before the third act, especially since it would've elevated the impact of the ending. Plus, I'm really on the fence about Bonnie throwing Woody to the side in this film, even though it's somewhat understandable for a little kid like her. Aside from all of that, "Toy Story 4" still brought forth everything I loved about the franchise while also providing plenty of great new things to the table. Also, the Key & Peele plushies were pure gold!
agree with the review as a whole, but to a somewhat more negative degree, this really doesn't feel like half as strong a thematic conclusion as 3. which wouldn't be so much of a problem if it didn't essentially UNDO all of 3's thematic elements. it makes Bonnie's role in the series into an irritating red-herring, it doesn't do half as good a job at providing closure to these various character relationships as 3 did, and the conclusion is just far weaker as a whole, one of 3's greatest strengths is that all of it's cast felt very relevant in their send-off film, they all have roles to play in both the discussions of the film, and the action, Rex, Potato-Head (or Tortilla-Head), Barbie, and especially Buzz all feel like set-dressing in 4 by comparison. it's just a far weaker send-off. By all accounts it IS a good movie, but If I had to pick Toy Story 3 or 4 as an actual conclusion? I'd go with 3 without question. I also disagree about the oscar bet. Dragons 3 beats this hands-down both on spectacle and story, being a significantly stronger and more thematically relevant conclusion. only Snotlout really annoyed me to any degree,
@@lindenlynx Agreed. it could have easily won 2010 if not for VERY stern competition in Toy Story 3, (if it had been released in 2011, 2012, or 2013 it would have won hands down) HTTYD2 should have beaten Big Hero 6 in 2014, this is HTTYD's year. also nice to see at least one Dragon-riding centric story get a solid conclusion this year....
@@Omnipotentmonkey Yeah! The first movie should have AT LEAST won something for the soundtrack, and in no way does BH6 measureup to the second. I've got high hopes for The Hidden World 😄
Random thoughts: - Forky is the second character after Olaf that I thought I'd hate and ended up really liking. - Better than 3, as good as 2, can't touch 1 (but then few things can) - Gutted that Rex, Slinky and Potato Head got like 2 lines each. They deserved better. - BO JEEP FTW (actually EVERYTHING about the buddy-cop duo was fantastic.)
I think it seems likely because in a old pixar interview they said that they would keep making sequels as long as there was a logical reason to make another movie and I think there is.
They said recently that they wouldn't have made 4 if they didn't have a solid idea for a good movie. I'm glad. I hope that's the criteria they need for a number 5.
You know what I just realized? The next (fully) animated movie is Angry Birds 2 which isn't out till August And I used fully bc of "The Lion King" remake.
Ah yes, like when he was walking with Forky and accidentally let Andy's name slip out. And when he told Forky all about it, who then told it to Gabby Gabby. And how everybody was telling Woody to stop dwelling on Andy so much. Yep, totally forgot about Andy in this film!
Yes! That is my issue with this: Woody and Buzz's relationship is so important and while I DO love Woody and Bo, why do they have to separate the two of them from the rest of the group to build on the relationship? Couldn't you at least reassure me that Woody and Buzz visit each other from time to time or something instead of making it feel like Woody is ditching his friends to be with a woman?
I love how in the first teaser trailer it showed all the main toys and Forky dancing around and stuff then u see the movie and it mainly focus' on Woody, Buzz and Forky.
Animation is just as beautiful, Pixar standard. Story wise, it’s not the best one, and it’s certainly far more pale than 3 because we already got a perfect ending with 3. 4 felt like it’s more of a spin-off of what’s already finished. Great movie, alot more than The Good Dinosaur for sure, but it’s a weak one in the Toy Story franchise.
For me, I stop at Toy Story 2 because not only is it my favorite but it breaks my heart what happens in 3 and 4. The first film and I share the same birthday so naturally Toy Story was my first interest; I faintly remember my pajamas and even though I never got the movie replicas of Woody and Buzz I still held the Burger King toys close to me. That's just me, so I am going to pass on 4 as well as future installments.
"Oh hi, IloveKimPossiblealot, who is now in my existential pit of darkness for some reason, do you have thoughts?" "And so many FEELINGS! *WiLL yOu leT mE TaLK aBOuT mY fEeLiNGS?"* "That depends. Can you convey your feelings in relatively brief bite-sized phrases?" YOU TWO ARE THE DYNAMIC DUO OML
Honestly, I think the ending of Toy Story 4 made more sense for Woody. Like, all throughout the movies Woody has had such a strong sense of attachment to Andy so it's hard to believe that he would be able to recreate that with Bonnie. I found myself completely agreeing when the movie said that Andy and only Andy was Woody's kid so him finding purpose on his own instead of with another kid after Andy's departure just felt right.
You know what I mean, though. The consensus was, for the longest time; that Toy Story 3 was the closest thing to a perfect ending (if not *the* perfect ending) for the franchise and, while this movie is being well received (as it deserves); I don't feel like this will make many people go back on their statement or make the claim that it's better than the previous Toy Story Sequels. Like... I'm not trying to bash on the movie, dude. No need to be so defensive. xD
Hot take: I was actually very low on Toy Story 4 before it's release mainly for part 3 being such a perfect ending. But when I did see it I actually think it's very good/great and Pixar's best since Inside Out. So color my skepticism wrong.
I loved You Story 4, can't really muster up some grand defense of my reasonings but I enjoyed it the whole way through. The biggest emotional punch for me was "she'll be okay" woody nods solemnly, ready to leave bo peep behind "Bonnie will be okay" suddenly Woody's whole world has flipped, not only has he witnessed how happy a toy can be without a kid and how little Bonnie really cares about him but Buzz just gave him the group's blessing, maybe it just reminded me of pepper telling Tony he can rest now but it felt like buzz was lifting a burden from Woody's shoulders.
