If you want to see markups on Toyota vehicles (specially sienna), then please stop by Miami toyota dealership (majority of them are charging 5k to 10k). One trick they used is they don't advertise the markups on paper/sticker.
Here's my theory, The automakers are using the "high covid prices" to make the gas MSRP the same as the electric MSRP... it's their way of making us pay for the additional cost of going from gas to electric.
The Tundra is the slowest selling truck for good reason ! Thus they on the lots. Your game is weak. Ur a shill for Toyota. They aren't good 1/2ton trucks. Every truck guy knows this fact. -NY
And to see Americans wise up & stop buying $70,000 trucks. I never see these trucks being used as work trucks, just some suburbia family thinking they're all vikings or homesteaders.
@@dustyking8851 -- I would love own a truck but I use a 2006 Toyota Rav4 to haul concrete, drywall, and 12ft pieces of hardie board. I hate moving drywall/plywood b/c I have to mount it to the roof rack. And it's heavy having to lift it above my head. Sigh.
How this guy is able to walk in a dealer's parking without being followed by 3 miserable sellers trying to sell him their mothers is quite an acomplishment in itself !
It’s not hard he goes on a Sunday when the dealerships are closed. Then rants and raves like a lunatic in he parking lot for you the viewer . He doesn’t mention that he picked a few Fords with the 5=liter V8 and one with a diesel . Lol This guy is so full of 💩 .
Sixy thousand dollars for a basically base truck is still way to much, regardless what brand you put on the side. All these dealers are gonna eat a lot of inventory in the next six months and they deserve it.
some dealerships (stealerships?) do ... though all that pent up demand over the last 3 years - is gone and so are the "free money checks" - so we ALL paying for it now. THX to incompetent central bank policies (in all directions!). End The Fed! Long live the F-150!
It's all a mind f**k. The entire industry is a joke and 60k is still ridiculous. I am a Toyota owner and love the product for the most part but anything over 35k for a new vehicle is stupid.
My last 5 cars have been used. The most I paid was 7800. That was for a 2004 gx470 with 150k miles. Still have it an have only put in another 2k in maintenance over 7 years and 70k miles. It’s worth more now than when I bought it. I like the E350 ford vans. They are cheap cause the gas mileage sucks. But they carry most things I need or can tow must anything I need. New cars are just too expensive.
Absolutely ,I was at the bank a few weeks ago setting up a ira we got to talking about car loans she was telling me some Landers are going out like 10 years on new car loans. In my opinion if you have to go out 10 years then you can't afford the car .
I tried to buy a Tundra a year ago and they had no dealer add on sticker, but as we started negotiations the salesman said there was a $15,000 markup on it because they just can’t get any. I was talking to this guy for days about this or that Tundra, was clearly interested, and that little fact never seemed to come up. Funny that. Just because it isn’t in the window doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Oh, and they sold that truck within the next day or two. So they couldn’t care less about me bitching him out over it.
Have a 08 F150 XLT. Bought it 3 years old at the time for around $19k. No debt and the family brings in well into 6 figure territory. I have no clue who is able to or just YOLOing into these truck prices. Will be keeping my old boy till I die.
@@e4gail same here. Bought a 2006 F-150 XLT Oklahoma Edition 4 door in 2009 for $16K. I still have it and it is still running strong with 220K miles. I still think that generation of F-150 is the best looking one ever produced. I will never get rid of it.
@@TheChoochooboy99I bought a 21 tacoma sr5 in 2021 just before things got crazy. I paid 35k for it and will never get rid of it. My same truck today would be well in the 40k range. No thank you.
It has never been a better time to be a mechanic. Nobody buying new cars means all these used cars are going to need fixing. Do not work for dealerships unless you really know what you're doing.
People are stupid, buy vehicle they can't afford, at bloated prices over blue book, so when it gets repo you owe the difference from auction, which will be what the vehicle cost in the first place.
@@MikeMarshall1411 buy something you can afford that is still reliable. Unfortunately timing sucks for some. I paid a little too much still for a 2008 GX 470. But it's still going to last longer than me if I do oil changes and maintenance.
@@FarmingWithYahweh exactly. That's the way to go. Screw these new vehicles. My 2003 Tahoe is still running strong. 250k miles in and the biggest issue I had was blown head gasket. Nothing major
These truck manufacturers and dealers are out of their minds selling pickups at so high of a price but as long as people keep buying them they’re going to continue to do it.
I cannot believe the number of whiners or losers blaming dealers for the price of luxury trucks. They want a RAM 1500 Limited for 40K that is now as good as a BMW in terms of ergonomics, ride quality, safety and comfort for the price of a good lawn tractor. I give up on these hosers who shud get real jobs as plumbers/electricians/HVAC techs/landscapers etc. and make some bux not whine that dealers are ripping them off. Look at the newly arrived Mexicans (and illegals) in the SW USA all driving luxury pickups as they go to work every day in the service industry unlike the priveleged whiners here who want everything for nada.
@@El_Scorcho_ We have been to Fla, Cal, Nevada n Arizona and 90% of the owners are immigrants or illegals crossing the open border as murica has no borders (40 million illegals) . They tribalize as here in LA n soon dominate the service industry and can charge U 100+ plus an hour to change a sink faucet gasket as useless murican colleges turn ut grads specializing in ECG and transgender/LGTBQx studies. Go figure who U would pay to fix ur AC.
They are not buying them. That is the problem and why GM, Ford and Ram are screwed. They raised the prices, lowered the quality and car loans are now at 8% and above. There is going to be a crash in the market once the 2024 models start rolling out.
It's beyond me how anyone can afford a house payment, a car payment, and inflated groceries at these current prices. It just feels like we're in that period where the banks can't afford to repo anything because everyone is so upside down on everything they own.
As a trades person... a truck makes my life so much easier and i hate how the price of trucks have skyrocketed. Alot of people i see driving trucks dont tow, haul, or carry tools. They just use it as a status symbol. Trucks used to be for the blue collar working class now its a status symbol.
Yeah , I bought a used Texas truck , 2005 GMC SIERRA 4X4, . They don't make them like that anymore. I need for work and couldn't see buying a turbo 4cylinder in a truck.
Even worse is people in big cities that never go outdoors but full size pickups. I can understand buying a midsize so you can go camping or fishing on weekends but why do you need a full size pickup truck in the city? Makes no sense
When I used to work at pennDOT everyone else had full-size trucks of various brands and sizes, I had a couple of tacomas and would go scrapping at night and on the weekends. You’d see all these big trucks lined up with nothing in em sitting in the parking lot and there would be my tiny truck overflowing with scrap, sometimes hooked up to a trailer which was usually also over weight. I thought it was kinda funny. But then the dealers started only supplying trucks for those kinds of people. It’s dang near impossible to get the cheaper trim models with no options with a regular cab any more. They’re all expensive 4 door short or super short beds.
The Toyota Stout will be a great seller. The Ford Maverick pickup was a great buy, until the dealerships marked them up way beyond the manufacturers retail price. If Ford doesn't get their greedy dealerships under control, they will go under.
70K gets you a fully optioned out 4WD F450 Chassis Cab with enough to get an aftermarket bed of your choice added. As in the things you see the forest service using to plow roads. Not a 2WD F150. That's literally how bad the gouging is. Same manufacturer, same dealers. Just criminally bad behavior. But, yes, that IS how you avoid this. Get a Chassis cab and then get the bed of your choice. Dealers have piles of these things they are desperate to sell off. And they are built better and can do more as well. Win-win. Head straight to the fleet manager and ask about commercial vehicles. :)
@@josephoberlander I disagree - they aren't better built. The new EPA restrictions, the remote controls that allow hackers and the Gov easy access? no - these newer vehicles are _NOT_ better. Those twin turbo V6 will never outperform or outlast a traditional NA V8.
@@FarmingWithYahweh They are better built compared to the current F150s for sure. That's why you just get a F350/450 with a V8 in it. That said, yes, just do get a Toyota instead. That Tundra will last you twice as long for sure. I can't remember the last time Toyota had major engine issues with its trucks.
Yeah, but you can't go by what you make... those 70k and up are much different than those expensive ones 20 years ago, plus it includes inflation, if you take away the screens electric rear window heated steering wheel end seats automatic wipers and lights things which are today on trims 3 steps above base, so if you get trim without all this you will be paying the same price as 20 years ago plus inflation of course, 2wd single cab fleets for 30k today is simple example of that
Toyota has been practising the 'zero stocks' management strategy for ages : in essence, they produce LESS than the overall demand, so they are always 100% sure not to have leftover stock on the dealer lots. Also, $60-70k for a "working man's truck" is still an insane sticker price, MSRP or not!
@@Electronica27 Toyota charges more for parts that aren't any longer lasting than parts used in other brands. Look no further than the 2nd gen Tundra's garbage air injection pump that they charged $400+ for while there was a compatible pump sold by AC Delco for less than $80. "yea but the Toyota OEM part reflected that price difference by lasting longer and being made better!" Nope. The Toyota OEM part failed just as often if not more often. It was garbage. The same goes for the Toyota OEM starter, water pump, power steering pump, rear diffs, etc. Worst of all was the frame. Toyota frames rust rot faster and more aggressively than the frames use by their competitors. "Yeah but Toyota gave away free frame replacements!" Nope. They gave some customers free frames. They did everything they could to weasel out of replacing all the frames they should have. They told dealers to only replace the frame if it had rust holes greater than 10mm in diameter. Your frame could have hundreds of rust holes in it, but if they were just 8 or 9mm, Toyota rejected the replacement, instead telling dealers to just cover the rust rot in undercoating. They also limited the "limited service campaign" to a very short period of time. Lots of owners didn't find out about the LSC until it was too late because the deadline was intentionally short. This is why Toyota lost a $3.6 billion dollar lawsuit for selling trucks and SUV's with frames that they knew for years had serious rust rot issues and did nothing to address the issue, instead doing everything they could to avoid being forced to issue a recall.
thats a function of inflation and wages not keeping up more than it is corporate greed. a $60k truck nowadays would be priced at about $34k 23 years ago, the problem was always with our highly intelligent 'elected' officials driving inflation while wages stagnated or even dipped.
That's basically why I own a Tacoma. These dealers are becoming more and more like bankers. Greedy selfish dogs. This greed will ultimately become their demise.
I had a crazy time trying to get my hands on a camry and after finally getting one i can see why. Reasonably priced, interest rate didn't nuke me and the car is fantastic
I made the mistake of buying a used F150 with the 5.4L before knowing that a POS it was. Even still, I paid $5000 cdn for 2004 FX4. I've put $5000 into it and will continue to maintain it because it is still cheaper than $80K + for a new one or even $25K for a 10 yr old one. Trucks up here in Canada are insane...the money they want for a used one is nuts.
I understand completely. My '18 GMC Sierrra loaded and is paid off and just about when I think of buying a new truck, I ask why, for what, a couple more gadgets and a bigger screen?? $100K+ just seems outrageous for a truck
More to the Toyota story. Dealers ARE still marking up but Toyota started Smart Path where you go online and fill out form requests and they steer you to a dealership with no markups. That is how I got my 2023 4Runner. Dealers with markups according to rep are losing allocations.
Oh ya. I have no doubt some of them are still marking up. Just didn’t see that here. I even checked online prices and no markups were listed. Glad to hear that dealers doing the markups are losing allocations. Thanks for the info.
Only way I found out was when I complained at auto show to company rep. They told me about it. First time around put deposit for an order and salesmen switched to their name. 4 months later a call from salesmen demanding $10k and private sale. Found out he was fired but I did threaten him and got money back. I was not the only victim. Dealership's only question was did I get the deposit back. They could care less after that. Toyota is looking into it.
So Timothy... you ended up paying msrp? Not good. By you paying msrp you are paying exactly what the manufacturer wants you to pay. That's not a deal my friend. Hard to believe that people are now paying msrp and celebrating about it, lol.
Well when you need a car and your current one needs $3500 in repairs, which is the smarter move. Throw money into a piece of crap 2018 Jeep 2dr Wrangler with 25k miles with electrical issues or bite the bullet and at least get the money out of the Jeep in trade which was a lot. In this market you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled first. I made the right choice.
I paid the reservation for the Ford Lightning. I wanted the base model at $39,900. I finally got the email last week to place the order and the base now starts at $59,900!!! I contacted the dealership and they said ‘yer, everything has gone up’. Well, I’m not buying one. And fyi to dealerships… if they want my business, my trade in has gone up $30,000! LOL
Same here. I placed a reservation in July of 21 for a Lightning Pro at $39,900. I got the email 2 weeks ago that my number is called. I called my dealer and told them to stick that Lightning where the sun doesn't shine. Absurd they want 60k for a base lighting work truck. Blow me Ford!
Bravo - once more people tell them "Screw You" (I'd use my firmist Christian tone possibe) to their GOUGING, and walk away - those prices will drop like a STONE. Cause that's unsustainable BS territory there ! Market pressure when prices meet reality. Bottom line many, perhaps a majority of new car & truck sales are DISCRETIONARY, meaning your old vehicle is still FINE for continued service but too many have become pampered & conditioned to expect "New Every 2" years car / truck trade ins. I have idiot neighbors who do this - they're fearful of breakdowns, ignorant of how to maintain their own vehicles & plain LAZY. You now have a MAJORITY of the population that are like this - and it's flat out UNSUSTAINABLE. When I was a kid in the 60-70s most Dad's at least changed their own oil & did break jobs + taught their sons how to. Precious few today are taught such practical skills, they all play on computers afraid to dirty their hands. It's all coming home to ROOST. And we've no one to blame but ourselves !
Each vehicle still overpriced by at least 20k. Those 70k trucks are truly 50k trucks, nothing justifies the price increase other than “virtual” expenses and “raise in costs”. Especially when all the R&D for most of these brands goes back to 2010-2013 and they have already recuperated and made profit on those.
We just picked up my Wife’s new Prius that we ordered 3 months ago. Paid MSRP 37k. And now there’s a 8 month wait. I’m a Chevy truck guy. And have no desire for a new one.
inflation. our dollar lost mad value in 3 years. no one buying treasury bonds. the dollar is toast. be prepared to pay 100k for a new vehicle. that use to be called being middle class. welcome to the future.
I am seeing Honda not marking up most of their vehicles (minus the Civic and Type-R). Mazda's are sitting on the lot and Chevy and Ford cannot sell trucks currently. That should be a sign for anyone that this high prices will come down really soon.
Honest to goodness how the hell people afford these trucks is way, way, beyond me. My wife and I have good jobs and a stable home, but those truck prices still blow us out of the water.
Guess what, people are leasing them. So in 3 years, there will be a lot of nice cars and trucks for sale with about 30-50k miles. These might end up being good deals
I farm, and needed more expenses for my taxes last year, so I bought a $60k Ram and wrote the entire thing off. Many tradesmen do the same thing. It's better to spend the money on yourself than give it to the government in taxes that they'll waste. As for non-self employed people, I couldn't tell ya.
Most cannot, they are leveraged to the eye balls. Those folks will be the first ones to turn their truck over when there is a little snag in their income. Repo's are on the rise and used car sales are down this last month. Stand by, in 4 to 6 months there will be a ton of used cars to pick from.
The Toyota dealership near me had dealer markup stickers ranging from $7000 to $20’000 (Sequoia TRD). I’ve never even paid MSRP for any new car so the dealer markups mean I won’t be buying anything new
@@sfcjones2590 -- Three months ago, the GM/Chevy dealership was marking up the truck/SUV - the Suburban (these things are beasts!) by $16K. Three weeks ago, we purchased the same Suburban for MSRP. Prices are coming down. Is MSRP rising?
Problem is people are still buying them. I’m boycotting buying a car until I can pay MSRP out the door again. Yeah that’s with the tax. I use to talk them down to everything in the price dealer fees and tax and I only paid the price of the MSRP. So I got the car for thousands under MSRP.
Engine, Transmission, and Performance The Highlander comes with a 295-hp 3.5-liter V-6, which pairs with an eight-speed automatic transmission and either front- or all-wheel drive. During a brief test drive, we found the V-6 could tackle short on-ramps reasonably enough; at our test track, our all-wheel drive test vehicle made it to 60 mph in 6.7 seconds.
@@Txpo50 Chris what an intelligent reply on this blog filled with morons. I bought a house in 70s for 40K and a truk for 4K. Do the math on what this house is worth today in North Carolina and then talk truk prices in terms of relativity. The morons here cannot even balance a capital one debit card but r truj price experts.
71 year old driver here. I am driving a 1996 Toyota Tacoma 4 banger with 224 K miles - A/C, auto trans, everything still works great. This old truck starts and runs like a champ, the paint looks good and everything works. ALWAYS DO THE REQUIRED MAINTENANCE on time and enjoy your older vehicle - please note that car insurance gets cheaper as the miles and years pile up. Don't beat your vehicles to crap like SO MANY THOUGHTLESS people do. Drive the speed limit, modest starts and stops, warm up the engine for 20 - 30 seconds every morning before driving, keep up all basic maintenance as per the owners manual, and last but not least, smile all the way to the bank every day. A new car DOES NOT EQUAL ETERNAL JOY. Do you want money in the bank or do you want an older but very reliable vehicle? You decide. I TOTALLY AVOID AMERICAN MADE CARS BECAUSE MY EXPERIENCE IS nearly as long as Toyotas or Hondas. Yes, the Toyotas and Hondas are a bit more pricy but they last longer than other brands.
@@perindne I agree on the longevity of Toyota and Honda, but I really don’t like how thin the doors and sheet metal feel on a foreign truck. They make me feel like I wouldn’t make it out of an accident alive. That being said my other car is a Honda Accord which will last forever. My last Accord I drove for 220,000 miles before I decided to move to a Hybrid and I now get 50 MPG highway. Gotta love that.
Something makes me think that those stickers SOLD could be fake just to hype up new customers to buy cars quickly before they are gone. If they are all sold why are they still sitting on the dealer’s lot? Who buys the cars and doesn’t go and pick it up as soon as possible. If I paid money for a car why wouldn’t I drive it off the lot right away?! Doesn’t make sense
In 2006 I bought a new car for $16k. Now in 2023 that same new car is over $40k, there's nothing significant changes to justify the price increase. The car doesn't fly nor self drive. It just reset the odometer and an added backup camera. 😂. It's like the dealership is competing against universities in increasing their fee while universities are raising tuition fee, while people's income stay relatively close to 10 years ago. How does anyone buy anything in this economy without going into debt??
Yes, you are correct. Nobody is talking about it. Banks know, it will be on news for everyone to see and hear , be wise don't get caught up in this insane Manipulation 😢
If people would quit living on credit and go back to living on MONEY, wages would go up, as people would instantly found out that they are seriously underpaid.
They indeed do that, so you have to go, work on the MSRP(getting it lower) then work on the add-ons(removing them and lowering the price on the ones they won't remove, make sure you ask the salesperson for a print out of every little thing they are adding to do this and be sure you get it and then do the math to make sure it's all there). The online MSRP on my 2023 Tacoma TRD off road 4x4 that I just purchased in March was $41,791. When I got there, the inflated price was $48,788. I immediately asked the salesman for a complete printout of every single little add on/option they threw in to make the price balloon and then I told him I want to negotiate just the MSRP without anything they added. I got the MSRP down to $37,000 flat, then I went down the list on every single add on and had him remove/negotiated on the ones they would not remove. I got him down to just under $42,000 with the add ons, then went with the finance manager and since they still would not remove the useless KAAR alarm, I had them deactivate it and saved an extra almost $600. I had the finance manager promise to paint my rear bumper chrome caps at no charge to me as part of the deal(make sure to get that or anything like this or any promises in writing in the forms you are filling out) the same Lunar rock color as the whole truck and declined any and all warranties and service plans he tried selling me(you can get those at a later time if you'd like). Out the door with all taxes and registration fees, I paid $44,627. It was pretty tough and I did not enjoy it at all, but I think I did OK from where I was and from where I could have been. Dealerships are there to rip you off as much as you let yourself. Never speak about monthly payments, downpayments or anything else, never let them run you credit or even inform them of what it may be like besides not bad, don't talk to them about how much money you make and stick to your guns and be ready to walk away! Negotiate price, total price with add ons and then, and only then, move forward. I did have great credit and a downpayment of $12,000 as well as a pre approval from my credit union for 3.99%. I informed the fincnance manager of this and they not only matched it, but went lower at 3.5%.Good luck!
@@paul562 agreed, but compared to what most people are getting ripped off for, I think I did OK and instead of being completely raped, I was at least wined and dined.
@@paul562 yeah, anything pro they will not budge much if at all. To be honest, unless you really, really, really just want the pro(tacoma at least), they aren't really worth it. I got my off road and I already have a better suspension than what comes on the pro, have better wheels and tires, got a grill(bronze trail edition) and the inside is pretty much the same minus leather which I personally don't like. It also has the rear diff locker and the crawl control, so really just a better factory suspension(not even that great to be honest) and mostly cosmetic differences is what differentiates them. All for way less than anything pro. Not worth it in my opinion, especially if you'll still be modifying it. To each their own though.
Same with GM. A few years ago we got a new equinox and Silverado. Both were unreliable garbage. Ford is no better. Now we have a Toyota highlander and no problems. However, I live in the Detroit area, so it’s kinda sad not driving a car built by the companies in my area
Another thing to mention about the Nissan Titan is the 100k mile 5-year bumper to bumper warranty. I bought a loaded Pro4X in December 2022 for under msrp at 55k, including TT&L. Traded a 2018 f150 ecoboost that had both turbos replaced at 30k miles.
There’s a one little thing you didn’t mention…these Toyotas are not being sold as they literally come in. They are being sold prior to getting to dealer lots. I just did this with Lexus gx460…spoke to a salesman, saw what was coming in and putting deposit and paying msrp (no mark up). Just have to wait a month, wait for car to get to port then to dealership. Voila!
Agreed. You go to the dealer and they show you an allocation list of what you're interested in that is coming in. You select and put down a payment then wait, up to three months. They call when your truck arrives. Tacomas are high demand vehicles.
Mark Miller is one of the amazing dealerships that did not EVER charge market adjustment. That is why I will support them. I literally will drive past 4 other Toyota dealers to buy from them! Thank you Mark Miller.
Even without markups......you are being royally screwed.......they are 'mass produced items like toasters and blenders.......they can stamp them out by the millions.......they have perfected making them cheap and fast.....then selling them at outrageous prices to dummies with more dollars than sense.......
Thats how I feel. My house mortgage is $1100 a month. In 10 years my house will still be worth something and have value. How much value/worth will all these overpriced small displacement turbo charged trucks have in 10 years?
@@windjammerjohn right my mortgage is 1,160 a month and my house has gained 150k + buy a new car and it drops what 10 to 20% the minute you leave to lot .
@@windjammerjohn First off, there's no such thing as a new car that can be bought that only goes up in value. But given vehicle used price trends from the last 15 years, truck values depreciate a lot slower than cars. The chances you'd be upside down on a truck during the course of the loan is A LOT lower. I say this from experience. I'm halfway through the loan (used car loan, meaning higher interest than new) on my truck and I'm already at the point where I'd be in the green if I sold it.
I remember walking on a car lot looking at cars that didn't have all these crazy markups. If you wanted all that crap you would have to order it & wait. Dad used to walk in buy a basic package car at near dealer price & would have a new car in 1 day. Granted they were Toyotas so things were different back then. Dealerships & auto companies are out of control, but we're stupid enough to try & get the best or coolest thing out there.
The majority of Toyota dealerships in California add a market adjustment to their vehicles, especially the Tundras or other pickups. I had to buy my Tundra from a Texas dealership that sold at MSRP.
Car dealers, regardless of brand get a bonus called "kickback money" from the manufacturer every year based on the number of units they have sold for the time period so they do not have to add extra money to the MSRP. Dealers are not very smart people or they would realize they are sending buyers always by this bad business practice. None of the car manufacturers tell dealers to sell above sticker price nor do they condone this. Large Ford dealers seem to be the worst offenders. New cars are already too high selling at MSRP. What ever happened to incentives and rebates? Still new car dealers are able to move the numbers around to whatever they want them to be to look more appealing to the customer. Did you ever notice that some car sales people will avoid from being specific about payments even after a drawn out time of negotiation in order to get you on into the finance office to start closing the deal. That's when the final numbers are revealed. May be more money than the deal deal you tried to get but by then you're too worn down to negotiate further. You want the car or truck and go ahead because you figure it's the best deal you're gonna get at that dealer even though it's more than you originally more than you wanted to pay. Buying a new vehicle can be a nightmare especially by the time you get to the finance office. By then you've surrendered your right to walk away. The dealer's got you where they want you.
That's been going on for a while out there. People would go to Az or Colorado for an affordable car/truck. The whole smog check thing drama from other states is BS. All cars are sold w/ catalytic converters & can pass Ca. checks. Of course Tex-ass loves tearing them off to prove how tough they are. 🙄
I'll be just fine. I bought both a 2019 F-150 and a Fusion in 2020. Before the prices went up. Thought I was making a huge mistake at the time, buying two brand new vehicles at once, but now I feel like a genius.
Not only did you win financially but you got those before all the parts shortages and poor quality control. These new cars and trucks being sold are all riddled with major issues that might show up in a few months, a few years, or just randomly on a road trip your wheel decides to drive off into the sunset without you.
If you bought them with cash then your might be in a decent spot but if you have a garbage 72 month loan with double digit interest rates then buddy you were fucked hard in those deals.
One of Toyota's problems is - they built them so well, I'm still driving my '90s Camry and Tacoma. And I got them used. The idea of paying more than even 10K is insane! As for Nissan, I also have a '98 Altima with 230K, and it's been very reliable. But they slipped after marrying Renault, and I don't think they really recovered!
01 Tacoma prerunner here. Frame and engine replaced, current engine has about 200k, trans and body have almost 500k miles. Still does what I need her to do.
Nah, Nissan's challenging period was between 2010 and 2018. They just started leaving the malaise they've been going through since Carlos Ghosn was removed from his position. But he absolutely saved them from bankruptcy in the late 90s and breathed massive life into their products from 2002 to 2010.
I have a lexus ls430 2001 with 360,000 miles. Original engine and transmission. Original starter and alternator. It is the best car I ever had. I also have the lexus ls460 L and it a great car also.
@Steve Chadwick I had ls430 2001 for 20 years and they are bullet proof cars. I have had a few mechanic work on ls430 2001 and they say it will easily go over 500,000 miles if I keep up the maintenance.
If only all Toyota dealers were like the one you’re visiting. Almost every dealer in my area has markups on their vehicles. One dealer wanted 10k over for their first GR Corolla. Another dealer wanted 7k over and told me that their normal corollas were selling for 4k over. Seems the small dealers in remote places are the only ones willing to work on price.
@@harrisonom why? The trucks he is looking at are in the 60-70k MSRP range and the base model GR Corolla is 40k MSRP. Why does it need a 10k market adjustment for the **base model**??
@@cosmicapple9921 an affordable sports car shouldn’t be marked up to the point where it isn’t affordable anymore. A dealer just listed a Morizo edition for 105k. It’s unreasonable.
Some dealerships aren’t keeping inventory; instead they want you to buy and wait on delivery. This is what crates the appearance of selling and and not sitting. Therefore prices remain illegitimately high while demand is down.
Buy a used Nissan or Datsun or Ridgeline for ur pocketbook and then test drive a RAM 1500 Limited to discover what a loser U r driving these inferior pik ups but at lo costs so U can eat lunch tomorrow without Jello as dessert.
I personally think these corporations have become too top heavy to produce reasonably priced cars. The massive overhead they now have in administration, research, engineering, marketing, etc means they must produce and sell high end expensive vehicles to cover the cost. The number of Focus ( which does not exist anymore ) they would have to sell to cover the costs is insurmountable. We are not paying for the materials and labor and shipping for these vehicles as much as we are paying for the MASSIVE corporate bloat.
I went to Elk Grove Toyota ,I bought a 22 tundra 4x4 crew max sr5 for $49,700 they did not charge $ 1 over . I was happy to get it considering the used tundras were 35-45 k with 50to 80 k miles .
Bro Elk Grove Toyota is where it’s at!! The only thing is that they only have the SR5s but they are getting a couple limiteds in soon!! How is the drive? I test drove a limited in Roseville but not the sr5. Am I missing out on it compared to a Tacoma sr5
@@vendettauzumaki I am coming from a 3/4 gmc diesel ,I wanted more options,but this is what was allocated to them ,I told them I wanted white or silver with black interior,I am very happy with the sr5 ,it has everything I need . Quiet ,smooth ride .👍❤️
Had the same experience. Used Off-Road Tacoma's, earlier model years with mileage, were pricing more than buying New. Also, did not want to rely on the maintenance previous owners had performed on their vehicles.
@@georgedreher2322 agreed ,this is my last truck anyway, knowing the maintenance history and how it was taken care of is very important,I was told the truck would be built with the build sheet ,8/8/22 in Texas I bought it 8/12 in Elk Grove ,as of today I have 1,823 miles will change oil at 5k 👍
I will NEVER pay any of these prices. I have a 08 Ford F-150 XL with stick shift one owner and roll down windows. I ‘ll drive it until it dies thank you.
In 2006 my grandfather bought a brand new dodge ram 1500 bighorn edition 4x4, 4 door with the hemi. We found the original sales papers and seen what he paid. It was $24,900. Ridiculous how much more expensive they are now. Even with inflation calculated in they are way out of line with their prices.
ILL tell YOU WHAT ! Back in 1973 my DAD bought New F-350 - 1 ton 2 wheel drive truck with 390 engine, granny 4 speed transmission for $3600 Bucks ! That's 3 Thousand 6 hundred Dollars!
If manufacturers were serious about ending price gouging, they should give priority for delivery for those that aren't charging more than MSRP. The higher the markup a dealership has, the lower they are in delivery priority. When they can't get anything to sell, they will have no choice but to drop prices or go out of business because they have nothing to sell. Still don't think the manufacturers are really serious about combating price gouging though.
No sellers for any service or industry, regardless of what they say, are interested in reducing price gouging. Price gouging will only be corrected after we all fall. Im just concerned we won't all fall together..
Bought a new 99 Tacoma for $21,113 ($38,079 in todays dollars). Still own it and still running with the original clutch. When it dies im buying nothing else but a manual Tacoma.
This is insane! My parents ordered a 2021 Chevy 3500 crew cab, 4wd diesel dually and only paid $58,000. How the hell can these truck manufacturers justify these prices? It just goes to show how lost we are if we are willing to spend that much money on a damn truck! Especially a Ford!
You are buying around $ 400 total in scrap prices , that is all it cost in materials, I know about R&D and tooling , if they did not have to meet these EPA numbers every year maybe they could build the same truck for let's say 10 to 15 years and just build the same thing in different colors and trim with the same body , engine , transmission , ect . . . . the cost to the consumer would drop . Overbuild everything and pick a reliable engine / transmission and have maybe 2 models an economy model with a high torque 4-cylinder engine and a V-8 heavy duty model , manufactures used to do this and almost anyone could afford some kind of a new car or truck , all they would do year to year was to change the trim , grill while keeping the basic car the same . If the EPA would lower the C . A . F . E . ( Corporate Average Fuel Economy ) numbers .The manufacturers would also need to stop screwing with the C . A . F . E . numbers and build what people need and not what the E.P.A. wants , maybe we could have a light-duty truck for everyday use that is not a gas hog . I'm all for bigger is better but we are being lied to , I would rather use a light-duty truck over one of these huge monsters any day , I'm not a contractor so why should I be forced to drive one of these giants . When was the last time you saw a truck like everyone built back in the 1970's , like the Ford / Mazda Courier , the Chevy / Isuzu LUV , or the small Toyotas Datsuns ? That is all most people would ever need but they don't exist new , you are forced to buy only the biggest thing that still only takes up one lane . Like I said I'm all for bigger is better , but we should also have a choice and not have to pay out the butt for their choice 🤬
@@dannyjohnson6967self effacing, anti Americanism. Yeah, nowhere else in the world are people behaving like this. Everywhere else in the world, people are handling their money perfectly and doing it all with perfect underlying motives. Oh America….if only you were more like everywhere else in the world.
@@vincea1830 They did not ‘get scammed’. That implies that they ended up paying more because of some lack of caution or failure to be informed. Instead, they were victims of a racket. Like most other average people, they had no means to evade paying what they did, and fortunately not more. There is virtually no chance of paying what these things are really worth even if you know exactly what that number is. The buyer shouldn’t bear the guilt of overpaying the way the game is rigged, instead, these companies should feel the guilt of the racket they are running.
When I bought my last new truck, Toyota 2012, was not sure what way to go, as I have found out, my Tacoma was the right choice since it’s almost worth what paid for it. In spite of all the fancy car reviews , most reviewers downplay them for styling. I bought a truck, to do truck stuff. I want it to do the job and last
The tundra is comfortable, capable, reliable and holds its value. It doesn't have all that gimmicky crap that people show off for the first week they have the truck and then never use again. It's just got truck stuff to do truck things and it has more than enough comfort to be a nice family vehicle as well. You don't have to worry about your wife calling you when she's out with the kids that the POS American manufacturer truck is broken again. And when you go to sell it, you have people lining up to buy it at values way higher than other manufacturers. It's a no brainier.
Considering how Ford, chevy and Now Ram have JACKED UP their truck prices, and are not selling them shows 2 things. 1. People are MAD AS HELL and say F**k the dealers and manufacturers. I'll keep my old one even IF I have to rebuild the engine. That's a mere 3.5-6K versus 70-100K for a new toy. Doesn't compute. 2. Toyota has been the #1 and #2 Resale Value for nearly 10 years running, and NOTHING Ford can do to ever surpass THAT. As an american I love american trucks but when the Manufacturers abandon their people (American) for the sake of the $$$ sign every one of them should be put out of business the way the Woke go Broke has done to Target and Bud Light. Even AAA is advertising with the rainbow flag ................ I say NAY NAY.
Contrary here in California, dozens of Toyota dealership have ridiculous markup prices of $ 5,000 - $15,000 without dealership add-ons. The only one I found that doesn't do markups is Longo Toyota. However, you have to wait a long time to get your order. In addition, most greedy Toyota dealership here in Los Angeles kept their parking lots empty to set you up for a trap to make you do precontract agreement and make you pay unreasonable markups. Just walk away guys and don't be afraid to cross other stateside to save some money.
@Technologically Challenged Tech Healthier? That phrase “Everything is bigger in Texas” applies to the people as well as their trucks. You guys can keep your broken power grid and school shootings. We will just get our trucks in Reno.
My best new vehicle buy was at a Toyota dealership. No bs with running to the back... no extra fluff. They were upfront and I was in and out with my new Camry in about half an hour.
I had a similar experience with my 2020 Tundra premium 4x4. In and out in about 90mins at 3k under msrp out the door with a 5yr 100k b2b warranty. Best buying experience since my 02 mustang gt.
@Rich Sweeney my problem with Honda is that they are too expensive for what they offer. 10 year old Hondas still carry a value near 15k regardless of their mileage and condition. I'll pass. Don't see many new Hondas on the road either and I'm sure it's because they are way over priced.
That has not been my experience. In the past, I've had the best experience at the local Ford store. These days though, I only go to check to see if parts are still on backorder. That has been a big disappointment to date. I believe Toyota has priced themselves out of the market and is in the process of damaging their dealers reputation by maintaining few vehicles in stock. Why does there even need to be a Toyota dealer if they don't even have a vehicle in stock for a test drive? I would be much more inclined to buy a Toyota if I could purchase it like a Tesla!
I ordered a 2022 tundra limited. It took a while but it finally came and I am not disappointed. I traded a 2020 ram 1500 that was not so good. The gas tank was too small for towing a small camper and it had a large turning radius. Much happier with the new tundra with a bigger gas tank. And there was no mark up.
that really depends on when you made the purchase exactly. you may have lucked out and got it before the massive price jump and before the interest bump. but i do fleet management for one of the biggest engineering companies on the east coast and over the last year our new trucks have been marked up 10 top 15k over what we paid last year. we order from chevy dodge and ford and all did the mark up. and these numbers are on orders as large as 200 trucks with a 10 to 15ki bump in price each.
I have owned two Toyotas in the past, and they were no better than any of the other cars I have owned. I have a Ford 150 now and it is the best vehicle I have ever owned by far. So, no, Ford is not screwed...
Just sold my Bronco and bought a Tacoma last week. The quality just isn't what it used to be with Ford. Didn't trust the Ecoboost 2.7 either. Traded it back to Ford with 2 recalls still on it. Mine was built within a week of the ones that were dropping valves so that thought was just constantly in the back of my head.
Was really excited and wanted to purchase one but glad I stayed away. Then add in the fact of all the US Govt electric vehicle legislation in the works, kind of worried about the future of any vehicle I purchase.
I bought a brand new ford raptor off the lot 10 years ago for 52k. The fact f150s are 83k is absolutely insane. Almost a 50% markup for how much they used to be. I think I’ll stick with my 1997 f350 powerstroke
Manufacturers saw how much profit the dealers were making on markups and decided to up their MSRP to take that profit instead of the dealer. Anyone buying a new vehicle right now is crazy, they are getting a double whammy of very high prices and high interest rates (manufacturers have already started the lower interest incentives for "well qualified buyers" and the rebates). This cycle absolutely will correct itself, most likely in the 2nd half of 2023, just sit tight and be patient if you are in the market for a new vehicle. The thing that really shocks me is just how terrible a lot of people are with money now. 70-80K depreciating assets at interest rates of 7% (or higher!) that will have lost a lot of their value by the time they pay the car note off...they might as well just light their money on fire. Are personal finance and basic economics (and common sense) not taught anymore? Big money and banks have so many people conditioned to live lives of debt slavery.
I won't play the new vehicle game. Not because I can't, but at the end of the day it is something that gets you from point A to point B. A nice used car well maintained with lower miles works for me. Pay cash, no debt.
I honestly don't know how average consumers are affording these prices especially with housing alone skyrocketing in price. I just have to assume people are swimming in unimaginable debt. Government spending isn't setting a good example either. Just run up the tab. How big can the bubble get before it finally bursts and when it does how bad is the situation going to be then ? Scary to think about.
@Paul When supply comes back the prices will fall. Will they fall to 2018 levels? No. Dealers and factories are greedy. When the supply comes back and one of them starts walking away with sales figures they will start putting large rebates on them again. Guaranteed.
You can’t beat a Ford an GMC trucks especially the ride , my dad has a 1999 Cadillac and a 1999 Mercedes, his favorite is the Cadillac the rides he said you just can’t beat it !
I fail to understand why nearly every new unit at that dealer was supposedly sold. Why had the buyers not taken delivery? Something seem strange about that. Doesn't seem like it's on the up and up. I've never seen anything like that before. If they are actually sold why are they still on the lot? Did the dealer actually have any real inventory for sale? Or just an empty lot.
Having to deal with these dealerships feels like swimming in a cesspool. Just dealing with dealers and the whole experience of them treating you like a moneybag idiot makes you dread stepping foot through the door. Friend bought a Tesla, shopping for a Tesla is such an entirely different, much more positive and a friendly experience
@dang0088 da what breaks on them besides a battery (after many years). It's wheels and an electric motor. The software on it is actively maintained and regularly updated so any problems there will get fixed for free over time.
The toyota dealership in utah is Mark Miller . I purchased a trd offroad 4runner august 2021 400 below msrp ...EXCELLENT experience at a time dealships in Los angeles where I live were tacking 5 on an ordered vehicle . I flew up, and drove home my new 4runner. Couldn't be easier ....GREAT dealership ...customer for life
All I can say is what comes around, goes around. These dealers are asking big money because they get stupid people to buy them. Eventually the house of cards will come down. Unfortunately this stupidity effects all of us including used car buyers. I cant afford a new car let alone anything over 20K. Inflated new prices bring up used car prices for us on a budget.
Bought a new nissan pathfinder because they were the only ones selling below MSRP, would never buy new but used car prices are still ridiculously high. My old car had been leaking oil and I had been repairing for the last 3 years 🙃.
I love how these companies added what essentially amounts to an XL sized Amazon Fire tablet to the dash and now get to double the price of these vehicles.
i myself am not a fan of the big screens like ram's 12" or Tesla's, i do like the 8.4" screen ram has tho not too big not in a blinding spot and not an extra arm and leg for the size of the screen.
I have had 2 out of 3 cars in the family crap out. I was not planning on this and I feel screwed to look for 2 new-to-me cars (used) but the used prices are still insane! Family of 6 trying to get buy on an 06 extended cab truck, with two car seats....pray for me to find the right cars, brothers.
Just had 2 cars blow the engines and my daughters car was totaled within a month. I feel your pain. 3 year old cars selling for more than what they were sold for new. And only about 2k less than a new car. The only cars I could find that were decently priced for the year and miles were Camaros and Mustangs.
@vampirejesus8170 The exact reason you stated was why we chose to buy a brand new 2023 Rav 4 TRD. The used higher end Ravs weren't much cheaper. Couldn't even get 1 in Florida. Had a deposit on A Rav Adventure and they sold it out from under us Sat. We found the TRD in Alabama and that dealership also had an Adventure. We left Sunday and came home Monday with the TRD and the Adventure was also sold on Monday.
@@xxdarkqueenxx6664 I had to go about 70 miles outside of the ST Louis area to find a decent car for the price. It was at a Toyota dealership. The salesman told me even if I wanted a new Toyota he couldn't sell it to me. They were told only to sell new cars to people within maybe a 40 mile radius of the dealership. I am glad the dealers with the markups are getting hammered now.
@vampirejesus8170 That's insane they are putting a 40 mile radius on people and where they can buy them. Im in the middle of nowhere. We'd be screwed. Likewise on the dealerships price gouging. Ford especially.
@tr5680 Boy do I fell blessed. I just can't imagine such a thing. You'd think dealerships would be happy with any sale regardless of purchasers location.
45-59K for a Tacoma at my local dealership! They are doing it too. This is not what Toyota was. They were solid, reliable pickups. Sort of plain with hidden tech and reasonably priced but somehow Toyota lately has outpriced them for the working class.
It's crazy, the prices they're charging for these trucks now. I bought my F150 XLT Crew 4x4 new in 2018. It has pretty much all the options that an XLT can have and I paid $37k. The same truck now is mid 60's or higher.
Bought a new 2005 Toyota Tundra (4.7 /V8). It is still going strong 18 years down the road. Maybe the best purchase decision I ever made in my life. I'm never buying any new truck at these absurd prices.
I've worked for all the big boys. I loved Toyota and Subaru! Best dealerships and best corporate office. I considered going back, but I like what I am doing now
In 2019 I purchased a Voodoo blue Tundra TRD Pro for $47900 and I almost crapped my pants cuz I felt that truck was so overpriced. I took it for service last week and the sales manager at a dealer here in Dallas offered me $55k. They didn’t have a single new tundra on the lot either. Trucks are insane expensive now.
I’ve always thought the $60k+ market for a truck was absolute insanity, still mostly do. My dad went and picked up a f350 with the Godzilla last night with a few things optioned up on it. Got it for $63k. I thought that was absolutely nuts. Then I looked at the good ole inflation calculator and went back about 20 years to when he got his f250, and the price actually just about lines up with what he got it for then. Still nuts, but I’ve got a touch more understanding for the price point. (Unless it’s an up trim f150, that’s just stupid)
Bought a new 2024 Toyota Tundra a few days ago. I got it off the production line. The dealer, without asking me, replaced the air in the tires with Nitrogen. Told me I had to buy it and they do it to all their new vehicles. Charged me $370. I have not walked straight since! The dealer can fill about 60 tires with one tank of nitrogen. That's about 15 cars at $370 per car and about $5550 they make from one $75 nitrogen tank. I was told on average most dealers fill over 3,000 vehicles per year. That $1,110,000 of scam. What say you?
I'm currently in the market for a new Toyota tacoma SR5. I want a specific interior color ,because that's why I want an SR5 instead of a Sport and I have a few exterior colors I would be happy with. There are 2 toyota dealerships near me and you have to put down a $1k non refundable deposit at both and wait months to get one. Not to mention the haggling I will have to do. Both dealerships love trying to upcharge. I did have one come down the the price I want ,but with the current intrest rates I'm just going to wait until later this year when I have enough money saved up to just buy the truck out right with a check. I'm considering financing like 10k just to have it on my credit.
An anecdotal visit to a single Toyota dealership, does not tell you anything. There are some Toyota dealerships marking up just like there are some Ford and GM dealerships selling at MSRP.
Also plenty of brand new Ram and Ford trucks and broncos driving around my area. They're selling, I think the domestics have just got a better handle on replenishing inventory after shortages.
I bought a 23 Tundra in December. I looked at F-150s as well, but the markup was insane and I couldn't find a single dealership that didn't have a markup. I went to the nearest Toyota dealership and found pretty much the exact truck that I wanted at sticker price (still way too high, but as good as anyone's going to get now).
I just bought a 23 Tundra as well. I did pay a 5k mark-up though. It is a Solar Octane TRD Pro and that's the only option I'd buy. Honestly I thought I got a decent deal.
I would never pay more then 30k for a truck. People are nuts if they pay over that. People need to realize the people control the price, if we just said no we’re done for 6 moths to a year they would have no choice but to bring prices down. So if you know somebody that has paid over 30 grand for a truck slap them.
Pick ups are like luxury cars today. I would just like something new that does all the basics and gets the job done. you know, like pick ups used to be like
I had toyota's mid 80's and 90's. Loved them but they started getting too pricy. Went to a couple Chevy's but they sucked. Around 2000 went all ford due to rebates they offered on xlt's. I don't want the high end stuff due to more things to break. Got a new 22 and don't really care for all the crap on the infotainment screen but can't get it without.
Back in the day, it was a lot cheaper to buy a pickup truck than it was a car. Regular Cab, Short Bed, pickup trucks with V8 engines were so affordable to buy and you paid less for insurance for them (because they were basic)! Since nobody offers regular cab, short bed, pickup trucks anymore, I bought an old 1990 GMC Sierra and had it built with a new suspension system, fuel system, brand new LS3 motor, brand new T56 transmission, new rear axle, new shocks, new gauges, new steering shaft and gear box, new shifter, etc. and only spent $47,000 total. I paid none of the ridiculous costs (dealer markup, safety systems, etc.--which only make the truck more expensive to insure and easier to be totaled when they get into an accident). If the car manufacturers won't make what I want, I'll make it myself! I've had 8 new cars in my lifetime and won't buy another one because of CEOs like Mary Barra and Jim Farley!
Im a truck driver and every dealership i pass on my route there lots are PACKED! Dodge, GM, Ford... there LOTS are PACK and nothing is selling... nothing is moving. And prices are why... people cant afford to put gas in the tank and food on the table... let alone go to a car dealer and buy a BEYOND ridiculous overpriced new car.
Only one toyota dealer near me had any dealer markup when I bought my Tacoma last week. I couldn't get them to budge off of it either. I ended up reserving a truck that was being delivered that day for msrp from a different dealer.
