@@JamesJ30tThat is a fair statement. I think we did too. Maybe that is why people are so upset. If this were Ford a slight shoulder shrug is the reaction. It's what we expect.
People who buy this types of cars, sometimes I wonder where they work, because I've been a doctor for more than 8 years and I have still not gotten my dream car. Hahahaha😄😄😄😄😄
Of course this type of cars are not meant for salary earners because salary job is just like modern slavery. You work for 8 years and you couldn't buy a car
Check the most richest men in the world, they're all entrepreneurs, no salary earner can be successful. Any salary earner who claims to buy this car must have loot the company's money in one way or the other. 🤪
Yes I totally agree with you guys, I just hit Five hundred and thirty thousand dollars in my portfolio today from my tesla stock investment. I couldn't have achieved this if I had depended on my salary.
Almost 18 yrs ago when I bought my Forester there was a red one with all the stuff the grey/silver one had but it had a turbo. Even then, I knew to stay away from turbos. I still have my non turbo Forester.
@@ECPPknowing Toyota, they will continue to do research to find ways in mitigating the problems that these forced-induction engines are producing. Same thing with Honda…my thinking is these governmental requirements have forced manufactures to come out with new systems that, frankly, are forced to be introduced before they’re actually ready….hence, the renewed growing pains.
Yep I just bought a brand new nissan for 19 grand naturally aspirated but cvt fingers crossed but 100k bumper to bumper warranty literally 6 to 14 grand cheaper than honda or toyota if I get a 100k I will throw it away because I will probably be to old to drive anymore by then
I drove one of my friend's 2020 Camry 4 cyl from Phoenix to Yuma and back. They asked me if the cruise control was engaged, because the vehicle was running very steady. I was just controlling the gas pedal. Not sure if it has a cvt or not. Mpg was over 35-40. Sad to see quality issues with Yoyota. Mine is a 2007 Pontiac G6 that gets 25-28 mpg at freeway speeds. I just enjoy shifting my own gears. That Camry is a very comfortable car.
Bought my T100, used, 30 years ago. I still own it. 170K miles and NO issues. Original engine, transmission, alternator, A/C system, differential, etc, etc. 2nd vehicle is a 2006 Lexus GS300 I purchased 13 years ago used. I have no intention of ever buying another car. I do however enjoy reading about today’s insane pricing, unreliability and overly complicated vehicles. We, after all, have to have our expensive toys! It’s the American way…….
I drive a 23 4Runner ORP and my wife drives a 16 Highlander Limited. We want to buy something newer for my wife before everything goes turbo. I'm sure Toyota will eventually make these new engines relatively reliable but not like the NA models. The thing that really sucks is how complicated everything is getting. People like me who take care of and keep vehicles for decades might be in a position where you have a car that still is in great shape but needs a new engine that is worth more than the vehicle.
Barneystinson, if the body is still in great shape, and there are no other issues (suspension, etc.) a remanufactured engine replacement is still 10’s of thousands of dollars less expensive than a new vehicle. My wonder is when does it become so obsolete that a new (or recently used) car is the only option? 🤔
Mark I’m glad you mentioned the 2JZ and you can’t forget the 3S-GTE as well. The main difference between those engines and modern ones is simple, over engineered and built with quality materials to withstand major abuse and allowing them to last 200-300 thousand Km with just regular maintenance. So to me these problems now looks more like Toyota being cheap now on design and definitely materials then charging more to pad their profits.
It would seem that when times are hard and there is more month left than money..and companies doubling down and jacking prices doesn't seem to me be an award winning -customer gaining move....All companies seemed to be in Grab mode and FU mode to their customer base....You can't fix Stupid....you would think after some companies bonehead moves they would learn...like loblaws and anhauser-busch, Toyota, Ford...etc....after all you learn nothing from success only failure.....so they need to fail to learn not to jerk people around in bad times...no sympathy..zero...zip...nada...Thanks Mark!! Great piece of work....as consumers we need your expertise on these companies...this helps us make a more informed purchase decision when the time right!! Cya in the next one!!
yep, i have 5 new toyotas and scion since 2008 and although mostly reliable, they still had minor issues whereas my new 2017 corvette stingray in stickshift has 0 issues and I drive it harder and daily commute it.
Nope. Regulation forces them to focus more on tailpipe emissions and CO2 that is just about bottom of the list of environmental concerns. Toyota has bumper profits because it understood going "all in" for EVs was never going to work.
The Toyota factory in Princeton , IN has been shut down for a bit now and will be down probably until December or January. I guess there were air bag issues and they are trying to correct them.
I have four Toyotas. One 2017 tundra and two Camrys of year 2004 and 2005 and a 2011 toyota venza. My Camrys have close to 400k miles and tundra has close ton200k and my venza over 200k. They all drive smooth and no issues. Point is that those Toyotas I have, have the naturally aspirated engines. Now they are messing around with smaller engines with turbo. It’s garbage. Proof is in the pudding. I haven’t had major issues with any of my vehicles. Maintenance and wash every once in a while and good to go. Many of my coworkers have these new Toyotas with hybrids and turbos and nothing but issues. I’m always hanging to pick them up and taking them home cuz their cars either break down or start driving no faster than 30mph, and here I am in my older Toyotas and still keeps on going with no issues. I will stick with Toyotas/Lexus but with the older ones and the V8 and V6 and 4banger naturally aspirated. Not these new garbage engines. The vehicles look amazing but no way will those engines last like the old ones. Sad but true.
I agree with what you said about Toyota history of quality. I bought (new) my 2020 Camry LE because of my previous 2005 Camry LE that deserves to be in the Hall of Fame of Modern Marvels. I bought it new and sold it after 15 years and 218,000 miles. I took great care of it and the only parts that were NOT original when I sold it were...front disc pads, rear brake shoes, and rear speakers! That's it! I wanted to buy a newer Camry (2020) for all the new safety technology...and I'm glad I did. The 2.5 Dynamic Force engine is pretty impressive...especially with the MPG. My opinion: Toyota is making a big mistake by NOT offering a Camry that is not hybrid. What about customers who do not want a hybrid? Don't we count?
The only thing I can think of that vehicles are having this new technology is because over time we will stay getting these vehicles serviced and the dealership will continue getting our money. The older vehicles are still on the road and still going strong. I will stay with the manual automatic.
My last purchase before switching to Toyota, was a Mazda CX7 in 2007. 2.3 cyl turbo. It was a great car, but achieved much poorer gas mileage than any 6 or 8 cylinder I had ever owned. It's all smoke and mirrors, and I blame Cafe Standards set by President Obama. It was a not well thought out program.
Toyota has to take a long, hard look at itself so it doesn't become the Boeing of cars. The fifth-gen 4Runner came out in 2009 and it took 15 years to come out with the sixth-gen later this year. To meet the tougher emission standards, the engines are going smaller in displacement and generating more horsepower is a fact of life.
I agree with Lexus. They went all plastic on the inside or quality is not the same. That’s what they’re known for with Lexus brand they ruined the name.
Other brands are depending on useing Toyota for the hybrid systems they need to stay in the market. Subaru and Mazda come to mind. I don't know what Nissan is going to do. But these Japanese companies will fall by the wayside as the cafe noose tightens. I would not be afraid to purchase a new Camry or Corolla. A Tacoma would be nice if not so expensive.
100% agreed! I own a '23 RX 500h which we all know is a turbo hybrid. I already have 20k miles on it and I push TF out of it and it still drives like the day it rolled off the lot. No manufacturer produces a bulletproof vehicle. A few issues will not destroy a brand. They're still far more reliable than the bs this guy is spreading and I'll never own another make.
This is due to govt regulations forcing mfg to do things they would prefer not to. Same thing happened to domestic companies in the late 70s into the 80s. They could no longer meet regs with their tried and true v8, rwd. Instead they had to slash the size, weight, engine size, while at the same time increasing safety AND while lowering emissions all at the same time. People bashed ford gm chrysler for poor quality which in some cases was true but look at the headwinds they faced. Now rules are so strict even toyota can no longer meet standards with simple proven methods. Blame the govt agencies mandating change faster than practical, then blame politicians for not reigning in these agencies. I will wait to see if the same people that love to absolutely bash American cars, now bash toyota or if they cut them slack. I like my toyotas, but have also had excellent reliability from my GM pickups.
Toyota is a conservative company. They do most of their business in lower wage red states. They moved their headquarters from California to Texas to save money. Unfortunately cost cutting is starting to show through.
My control arm snapped a few weeks ago, and the reason why I’m never buying a Toyota. It’s not even the fact that it’s a terrible vehicle. I bought my 2019 Camry SE because of my Audi failed constantly. Barely even had that Audi for 6 months before I traded it in on 2021. Loved my Camry ever since, never had any issues besides, basic maintenance and I would always recommend it. A few weeks ago, my control arm snapped. I wasn’t particularly angry, but I have a warranty on the vehicle, so I figured “I have nothing to worry about”. The experience is unforgettable. Part of the reason I picked Toyota was because of its reliability. I haven’t even touched 100k miles on the car! I live in California, where pot holes are everywhere, and aren’t particularly easy to avoid. I don’t hit those very hard (yes, I know I could do better), but I figured at some point it would give out, I was thinking at least 150k+. So anyway, control arm snapped, took it to the dealer (because of the warranty), and sure enough My Service Advisor told me I should be good with the warranty side of things. They gave me a v6 4Runner that I loved! We’ll come back to that bit later. A week goes by, and the warranty company finally responds with yes, we’ll cover the repairs. So I thought I was chilling. During the re-alignment, the mechanic discovered the rear control bent. Warranty company says “WE’RE NOT COVERING THAT! AND WE’RE NOT COVERING THE FRONT CONTROL ARM EITHER!”. I was devastated. Everything I knew Toyota to be was changed in a flash. They were a company that took care of their consumers, and took pride in their work. No longer (at least in my situation). Service advisor had tried to do her due diligence and see if insurance would cover it (USAA) and they denied it (another story entirely). So, this whole ordeal effectively took me out of Toyota ecosystem. It was simply the principle of it all. I didn’t mind covering the repair out of pocket even initially. Yeah, I would’ve been bummed because why did I get a warranty that didn’t do their job. I just wouldn’t get another extended warranty. The warranty company started with a “yes” and went back on what they said. Now, you have a disappointed consumer that seriously considered ditching the Camry entirely, and picking up the 4Runner he’s been driving for the last 2 weeks. I’d rather pick up a Bronco at this point, than buy another Toyota. The only reason I’m keeping this Camry now is until my gf moves to where I’m at.
Wow that sucks and sprry tp hear about your incident and I am also a man of principles so if this happened to me, I am OUT! I would likely have dpne something similar. That is unfortunately a weakness in Toyota and Hondas are they have flimsy brakes and suspension parts. "light duty"
These sudden reliability problems are tied to the EPA. That agency has really gone nuts and someone needs to step in and clip their wings. Cars and SUVs can't run on motorcycle-sized engines no matter how much government bureaucrats want it. 1.3 and 1.5 L turbo engines powering today's SUVs are not going to fix our decades long CO2 pollution problems.
Money, it's a crime Share it fairly, but don't take a slice of my pie Money, so they say Is the root of all evil today But if you ask for a rise, it's no surprise That they're giving none away
Always had toyota and lexus. Just bought my daughter a 2024 hybrid corolla from toyota universe last month and she loves it. No car is perfect. My 2010 rx350 has a rubber oil cooler line that should have been metal and lexus really screwed people on this in a sneaky way. We all know 2009 had some ring issues with oil consumption and a few rare models were flat out mistakes. It will take more than this for me to go back to american cars. Fair warning to toyota/lexus, It takes me a long time to change so if you do lose me it will be very hard to get me back.
Toyotas latest 3.4 v6 engine has a lot of issues and I’ve noticed they are going for small capacity turbocharged engines which is a bad choice in my opinion. Destined for failure. I own a 2011 Honda Accord euro luxury sedan ( Australian version ) with the legendary k-24 2.4 litre N/A 4 cylinder engine in it,262,000 kilometres on the odometer and it runs and drives as good as the day it was made. 14 year old car that doesn’t use ANY fluids,is reliable,has 230 hp and has a manual 6 speed transmission =a smile every time I drive it. Life is too short to drive boring cars and that’s why I bought a track/street car that is so much fun to drive but has the reliability and quality build with it.
I'd have no problem buying a Toyota Camry/corolla or corolla cross hybrid though my late maternal grandmothers 2005 XV30 Camry LE sedan will outlive us all at nearly 20yrs. old it has 35k miles on the Odometer a Toyota of that age should have at least 175,000 similar to what my dads 2011 Cadillac SRX premium luxury has on it and that's worth 2,100 as a used car at the moment according to Kelly Blue Book granted that model year 57,000 SRX's sold mind you the SRX is the 6th best selling Cadillac nameplate ever the five above it being Deville around 7 million in 52 years 1953-2005 Seville 977,000 1976-2005 Escalade 958,000 1998-June 2024 CTS 730,000 Sept 2001-August 2019 and Fleetwood 675,000 1936-1996
Maybe it is hard to tell how reliable the new Toyotas are today compared from the past. Many new models magically disappear from their owners and end up in the other side of the planet.
I agree with points you brought up with Toyota they are happening. But you missed the real reason. The EPA and the U.S. Government is the problem. Strict emission regulations, electric cars being forced, and high Corporate tax. High tax led Toyota to build stuff in Mexico where the quality will never be as good. The Government ruined the car industry.
Nope. Toyota chose to fudge the numbers and build unreliable engines and transmissions. Ask any tundra owner waiting months for an engine replacement. He will tell you all about it.
For this reliability woe, you can Blame Ford, because in 2009, they went through the same thing with the EcoBoost 35 (3.5L, twin turbos, direct injection, VVT-i, and piston cooling jets, to compete with V8s). Ford debuted this in the F-150, Taurus SHO, and Lincoln MKS from that era. These are what Toyota went after with the new I-Force 3.4L TT, VVT-I, Direct injected engine. Governments shoved it and other smaller engines down the throats of most every carmaker between then and now for emissions compliance. GM brought back 4-6-8 as "Active Fuel Management" around the same time, it's just as unreliable as the Ford EcoBoost V6 and Toyota Twin Turbo i-Force V6 unless it's deleted. The 4 cylinder turbo will be much more reliable than the V6 twin turbo. Toyota has much more experience with those. Give this issue a few years. I think it will sort itself out as Toyota gets experience and gets this issue sorted, just as Ford mostly did with their EcoBoost engines.
It is very true yet very disturbing. Ford and Gm sell 750k trucks a year each. Toyota sells 150k tundra's on average. They have the smallest percentage with the most failures and recalls. Toyota's hold my beer 🍺 race to the bottom moment.
I sold my honda crv money pit bought a brand new nissan for 19 grand wanted kia but no dealership here got 100 thousand mile bumper to bumper for 250 a month payment fingers crossed but tired of honda tired of used problems should have got a 17 camry but tired of no warranty cars cant afford new toyota or mazda if I get 100 thousand fir 19 grand happy days
@@ECPPeven the 17 camry with 80k 20 grand we all know even camry at 80k is gonna be constant maintenance with no warranty and 200 an hour labor hell no i really didn't want nissan but dealership right across the street from me and it was literally 14 grand cheaper and now 2025 camry cvt trans so I figured f it they all junk now with that and direct injection plus turbo they all 100k throw away anyway
Yeah, it took BMW about 15 years to make their turbo I6 somewhat reliable. And it's still a plastic mess that likes to leak. Toyota doesn't have that luxury, unless it wants to become like BMW: a brand for fan boys or people who have more money than brains.
And the super strict regulations which killed the market for small cars and trucks, pushing manufacturers to making gas guzzling gigantic trucks and SUV instead, only the government can say 'mission accomplished' for the environment.
hyundai engines catch fire: hyundai ignore for years, got sued, lost then after 5- 10 years, recall. Never stop the production. they lied to customer for years. toyota: immediately stop production and do voluntary recall. thats the difference
You SIR are HIGHLY Educated..Finally, hope this trend continues.....After * EXTENSIVE* Research ..z old T Chart....Owned them all Euros even now a Ferrari.( jus' accept issues always as, part of the admission to be gucci...Soooo, .I own the 450h+ " F " Sport....EXCLUSIVELY made in Japan only......Be sure to ONLY buy the " F " Sport w/ adaptive Suspension and all blacked out chrome...& you are Gold😇
@@ECPP Thanks Mark. I have owned a 2015 Toyota Prius-C Hybrid in the past and had no problems at all with it ( 100% built in Japan). I traded it in for a 2021 Toyota Corolla Hybrid LE ( 100% built in Japan). So far no problems with 60,800 miles on it. Oil changes every 4,500 miles and I have already had the transmission fluid changed out at 56,000 miles.
it's funny how people were complaining about not enough power , it's only five speed, it's gas guzzler , it's outdated with old technology, the tv screen is too small etc etc. well people you snivelled and sadly Toyota foolishly listened. now deal with all the issues and stop whining.
I have a 2010 Toyota Sienna XLE with 118,000 miles (190,000 km) and runs very well. The 3.5 V6 has great power when needed. The 5 speed automatic transmission shifts smoothly and couldn't be happier. The style is conservative, but I don't look at it while I'm driving, so it's OK. Going with newer technology does not automatically mean it's better. Their naturally aspirated engines, 4 cyl, V6 and V8 engines were built very well. Nowadays I would not consider any engine with turbos installed. That's unnecessary and more expensive to maintain the vehicles. Complexity does not mean better. If their previous engines worked well and people wanted them, why is Toyota compelled to switch them?
We purchased two 4 runners in 2018. A Limited and a SR5. Both have an engine proved and reliable. We will probably run these vehicles for the next ten years or more. I, for one, do not need or like putting the extra stress on a "four cylinder" by installing Turbos....... It's crazy. Toyota screwed up when they dropped the V8 configuration ...........
@@subaruamazon 17K and 18K...........we love them. Second one for my wife who went off the road, down a ravine, bounced on the front end and rolled. She and our dog came out just fine. That's what prompted me to sell my ML and buy the Limited.....they are "tanks".... PS Love the Camry.......glad you're enjoying yours. We'd have one but, we need an SUV.......... Best of Luck to you!!
The problem is, car companies are forced into a constant system of R & D, (research and development). The government forcing car companies to innovate more economical cleaner running cars.
They should've implemented turbos years ago not a decade after everyone else.Thats what happens when you add turbos to everything at once. They still did a better job than ford with the eco boost lmao but the prices are pretty damn high for what you get now.
I’ve never owned a Toyota. The interiors are sub par. The cars have no personality and are not fun to drive. I am sure they are fine for folks who want a reliable appliance. But life truly is too short to drive boring cars.
Ive got a 1996 camry, 134,xxx miles, paid 900 for it a year ago. Prior to that i owned a 1990 corrolla, paid 1100 for it with 280,xxx miles and got 5 yrs out of it putting around 40k on it annually.
The issue with never changing is that that time moves forward, the market moves forward, and you will inevitably have to change anyway. Only difference is that when you need to change, you don't know how to change well, and you run into a bunch of issues. You forget how to evolve. The N55 and B58 turbocharged straight/inline-6 engines are prodigious for power, efficiency, and reliability.
Yes but that's not Toyota's thing. They do adopt new tech, they just wait years and watch all the other's stumble before they jump in. The problem this time is the EPA trying to force all car companies to either go EV or bankrupt, against the wants and needs of the "free market".
Hi Mark I’ve been following your channel since many years ago, from the times I also owned a BMW X5 diesel. I could not thank you enough for the good advice I received in your channel. Looks like for quite some time you seem to be refrying content over and over again. Although this could be a good short term recipe in my honest opinion it does not align well with the idea of creating content full time as per your recent video. You not only have the technical knowledge, but you are a terrific communicator, with good acting skills, and charismatic, but the lack of originality will eventually hit. This is not supposed to be a suggestion or recommendation of any sort (who tf I am to do so) but the intent is to give you honest feedback from someone who benefited a lot from your videos a few years back. Best.
Thank you so much and I really appreciate that Larry. I also agree I love the original style to my content and this may seem a little redundant and i am am going on that and will be adding more unique and variations to the material. Hope your week is shaping up like mine too, and not sure if you are a hockey fan, but who’s the team tonight to win?
@@ECPPnah, don’t listen to Larry. You’re not refrying content-you’re simply reiterating some of the points you previously mentioned. That’s a good thing, because it keeps us up to date and keeps everything fresh. I think you’re doing a terrific job, so keep it up. Ignore the naysayers even if they claim to be “supporters”.
New Toyota business model, courtesy of American manufacturing tenets: Increase profit by building vehicles in Mexico (auto workers get equivalent of $2.70 US per hour). Adaptation of complex electronics provides for planned obsolescence and "disposable" vehicles. When things start going south, provide customer friendly rhetoric to soothe the brand fans. Hopefully Toyota will go back to their business model ethics and return to quality.
Mazda uses the toyota hybrid system, and they share tech..even build cars on the same assembly line..toyota owns part of mazda, and a lot of Subaru.....the new camry will be a home run, they over 600,000 camrys worldwide
And maybe it's a D.E.I. manufacturing issue. Just look at the airline industry and all of the horrible D.E.I. manufacturing problems that have led to numerous catastrophic failures of things such as doors blowing out due to improperly installed hardware. If it can happen in the airline manufacturing industry that is so very highly regulated, imagine what is going on with auto manufacturing.
By dropping the v6, they've ruined the highlander, Tacoma, carry, Avalon, Tundra, Rx 350 and about to ruin the 4 runner. Quality went down when they opened Engineering centers in the U.S.
