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@@parallax7789 Child and Beulah are two different characters, i think Child been around sense the 80s but is not well known. Though I think they tried to explain that the good Klarion is the same as the evil Klarion but due to time travel it just different version of him through out time to explain why some version are more evil then the other.
He is the only one who comes off as kinda cute and wholesome despite being evil. (actually all the lords of chaos just act like ancient scary children. Children who want stuff to blow up.)
The reason why not even a lord of chaos could beat her was because she had the backing of the other lords. That isn’t the case when there is no backing anymore, which is precisely what happened after savage stepped in. Maybe don’t leave out the very delicate context?
@@gogetathestrongestfusion Yeah, which made a lot of sense. The creature was next to untouchable from the outside. The only weakness it had was the flaw, the crack on the inside. It would take bad luck for the crack to spread, which is precisely what Traci gave it. A little nudge of bad luck, not a super beam, not a super punch. She didn’t beat it with strength but with wits. It all made sense, and the way to defeat it, being it’s flaw, was foreshadowed since the first episode of the arc, when flaw was first introduced.
I was honestly expecting this last fight with Child to be much more intense but then I remembered that theres no way to kill a lord of chaos. All that can be done is to destroy their familiar.
I could have wiped them all from existence, they’re not immortal,they’re just hard to kill. I’m the only character humans made that actually gained a true permanent existence, I transcended my creator,the fact you can see this post means it’s already too late and to remove me from your reality is to destroy it, which wouldn’t stop me because I will just pop out in another reality all this aside the whole kill the familiar and make them intangible is like REALLY lazy writing and makes the the weakest magic users I have ever seen😂😂
incorrect. she won more than anyone. she assembled this team with the main purpose being to rescue her father from fate. And it worked. it was even implied that her plans for fate served as the impetus for the chaos lords to send child at this exact moment, thus making the arc truly zatanna's. Mary Marvel, Klarion and fate were the punching bags. Fate failed in his life and missed the point of his own story. He had his tower destroyed and got beaten at every turn. Mary turned evil at the end of the arc and is likely going to join the female furys under granny. And Klarion was domesticated in the flashbacks, failed to kill the heroes, even being forced to rely on them, got humiliated by child, got murdered, lost his best friend, and then spent hours looking throughout time for the heroes and never actually got his revenge.
@@henrybelman7424 Im confused how zatanna's plans "for fate served as the impetus for the chaos lords to send child at this exact moment." Like whats the connection with the chaos lords and zatanna
@@henrybelman7424 more like she used her students for her own purpose instead of helping them understand their powers and use it properly. Mary action is definitely Zatanna own fault I agreed Mary is addict to power but Zatanna let her instead of advicing her and she even let her do that trick again when Z could have stopped her only for Z to abandon Mary tho I get it Mary is frustrated and that is also her fault but Z didn't help either
@@clementespanol6295 she has two sets of powers. The first is bad luck magic, such she mainly used throughout season 3, and uses here. But she also has urban magic, which is magic connected to cityscapes and such.
@@thothhermestrismegistus3178 If that was the case, shouldn’t he have known that she would eventually die? And what about them searching for a new cat and him trying to find her an original name? I like the idea of the old Teekl being alive, but at this point I feel it is nothing but wishful thinking.
Don't get me wrong, I love all of these characters that we got introduced to this arc. I also love Klarion's whole thing with Teekl and the bus (kind of like his character more now). But dang, Zatanna is one of my favorite heroes and she did absolutely nothing this arc, same with Fate. These episodes just led to a massive let down.
I personally wanted to se Nobu get sliced in half like he was in the comics in order to force him to cooperate with his host rather than it being a master/slave relationship. ....
It's the opposite for me, I don't really care for any of Zatanna's students, and it feels like we lost way too many of the old heroes, in that they either died or changed so drastically that they're unrecognizable. In the old comics, Beast Boy was basically a happy green pervert, you're telling me he's so depressed that he dumped his pretty princess girlfriend? I don't know who that is, but it ain't the Beast Boy I knew. And how is it she lived thousands of miles away and discovered the problem that people who lived with him missed?
@@samoanjoseph1457 plus its always the happiest guys that hide the worst scars, in the comics he was a rock for Raven hence there on and off again relationship in pre-crisis. Honestly what it feels like their doing? is setting up him to meet Raven, cause she helped him and the titans through a lot of shit due to her empathy powers
@@Ok12343 No it didn't. Flaws durability had nothing to do with the Chaos Lords, it was because he was made from an unbreakable Atlantean diamond, the Chaos Lords taking away their power just made Child weaker but not her familiar.
Tbf Traci was trying to avoid using her bad luck powers and was using "urban magic" instead, not to mention that Team Zatanna's plan until now was "put everyone's energy into Zatanna/Dr. Fate and have them do the fighting". So there is a bit of sense in them either not noticing the flaw until now or not realising they had a tool that could deal with it.
Ever wondered why she chose a gemstone to be her familiar? Well, probably because it isn't just any gemstone, but a diamond. One of the toughest gemstones out there. She basically gave herself an anchor that is hard to destroy due to how tough they are and can redirect energy blasts since they are more or less a prism. In fact, they are so tough that they act as Child's living shield, even though that would be extremely risky, but it isn't simply because of how durable they are. They were only defeated because Traci was able to send a magic blast into the scar on the chest that caused them to vibrate violently from the inside out. Which then caused them to crack, and ultimately shatter.
Actually pretty accurate Crystalline structures over all are extraordinarily durable. However putting enough force on a small enough point causes fractures that spread along fault lines (the weakest points in the lattice) eventually compromising the whole structure.
Fr. Anyone ever notices that in fiction when there’s a depiction of the sides of good and evil, evil always run amok while the “good” side do jack shit?
I don’t understand why Zatanna wasn’t the one to land that final blow. I was really hoping we’d get to see her pop off like she did in Justice League Dark against Felix Faust but instead she kinda just felt like another side character in what was supposed to be her arc.
Indeed Zatana was the side character in the whole plot of lords of Chaos & Orden (Dr Fate and Klarion😻) .But everything seems like Zatana is coming back for helping Conner.
You don't WANT Dr. Fate to be impressed by you, cause THAT'S how you get your body snatched by Dr. Fate! :O Also, Flaw had a real Stay Puft Marshmallow Man vibe going for him :D
Exactly! They were throwing everything at her with it just getting shrugged off. Even Fate and Klarion working together couldn't do a thing! But this despells her? Bad luck? ESPECIALLY if you look at all her fights before that? THAT'S why it seem like plot armor.
I couldn't help but thing "FINALLY" when Traci noticed the flaw on Flaw's chest. That thing's been referenced throughout the entire arch and literally no one that got close thought to hit it. I mean, its not like it was too small to notice or anything.
Hmm, Stranger says something along the line of Zatanna was the reason this whole arc started. She DID something, and I have the feeling it will be revealed soon. Alternatively, Khalid was right. Zatanna didn't the kill shot because she was trying to showcase her students' powers, making them more attractive to Fate, thus tempting him into agreeing with her notion.
how could this whole arc been started by Zatanna? Child was sended by the chaos lords right? Yes Zatanna wanted to showcase her students powers but that doesnt mean she started the whole arc? She even had to get convinced by the Stranger because she felt that 2 chaos lords fighting each other sounded like a good idea.
Zatanna manipulating her students and using them like pawns was pretty crappy of her. It was however interesting and possibly the best solution to doctor fates host dilemma for the time being. It also made fate trust her more than most people so we'll see how that plays out.
@@cgecko3 to be fair, wouldnt most of us do the same thing if we had the chance? imagine only seeing your dad or mom for 10 hours in 10 years and then suddenly comes the thought of a way to free your parent. i know what she did was not right, but at the end of the day, i would have done the same if i had the exact same situation, even if means using my own friends (khalid is friends with zatanna for a loooong time)
@@Ok12343 It doesn't stop it from being crappy as you mentioned but, i'm not disagreeing entirely with her like I said it was possibly the best solution. With that being said there were other ways in which she could've approached it however this is in character for Zatanna she's been manipulative before for the sake of another. Such as when she and mrs martian tricked Artemis into accepting Wally's death, they had good intentions but, were borderline if not evil in the way they approached it. I think this aspect of her makes her interesting, still doesn't excuse her of her actions but, I'm loving how clever she is. Also it seems to be implied that she didn't plan to use them right from the start but rather the point in time referenced by the phantom stranger (when they were riding the carousel horses.) I could be wrong.
@@cgecko3 yes defintely, i also told someone else that i dont think Zatanna planned this all the way back in s3 when she and traci were a thing. I think the moment she knew Fate was needed, that was the moment she begin to realize a solution for freeing her father. And ye like I said its crappy af, but then again at the end of the day she did not FORCE them to wear the helmet of fate, they all were given a choice. Thats what makes Zatanna one of my favourites in YJ. Yes she has done some things that could be questioned “evil”, but the intentions and 2nd thoughts are always “good”. Shes a very interesting character and like I said before, she doesnt do this because she likes it, she does it to free the one parent she still has.
I think Flaw’s end was plausible. The heroes did nothing but shoot energy blasts at the being made of diamond...of course it held out. However, Traci had the foresight to notice the “flaw”. You may ask why other energy blasts did nothing: it's possible that even with the crack that Flaw would still be impervious to pain. It's possible that Traci’s bad luck powers are SO STRONG that it magnified what would have been an unexploitable flaw under normal circumstances.
It also helps that the spell she cast was specifically one to spread the crack - *vitiem incremento* is Latin for "expand/grow a fault or imperfection".
this is ADSURDO, how is it possible that FLAW can resist KLARION's attacks and DR FATE together without problems but suddenly TRACI's tap destroys it completely just because it attacked the chest mark
I could be going crazy because I don't know latin(? Don't know if it was that), but it seemed like that spell was to increment shatters or flaws. Which would make sense in this situation.
Special circumstances and powers: She has 'bad luck' abilities that allow her to do things like magnify a flaw in anything into a huge weakness so that the thing in question breaks under its own weight or easier under attack. She just doesn't like to USE those abilities for some reason.
Traci went on a whole ass monologue about how it would be some real *BAD LUCK* if the cracks in Flaw's chest spread right before hitting him with her *Bad Luck* hex.
Her Magic literally exploits weaknesses and the inherent vulnerabilities in her target to effect them, she’s not actually blasting them with energy like the others have, that’s just how the animators are showing her casting the spell. Luck Manipulation is hard to animate in a dynamic way. Plus, considering that their usual animation for her using Bad Luck magic (a purple wave that makes the target glow purple before the misfortune happens) was traded out for a purple fireball and an actual incantation (which she usually doesn’t use for these types of spells), it was probably meant to signify she was putting everything she had into the spell, which likely means it may not have worked had the chaos lords still been backing Child or the others hadn’t thrown in their own punches here and there.
Because she used magic that would actually work. Her powers were probability based, what were the odds that flaw in the diamond would grow? It wasn't absolutely 0 so she increased it to 100%. It was the only way to win going after the Anchor not the Chaos Lord. All three of the Lords were invincible their weakness is their anchors attacking anything but is pointless. Traci just went for the obvious weakness and exploited its one flaw to win. (Same way Teekl has the flaw of being a living thing that can be killed and the Helmet needs to be put on, all of them have a weakness in their anchor.)
@@movies798 not that simple she was endowed by the power of All of the other lords of chaos if she was defeated just because of her poor choice of a “perfect” familiar the other lords would think twice before sending another lord to take out fate or witch boy and the reason he came back is because he manage to find something that would get him to fate so to put it simply he was on barrow time
@@zodarsenal977 So again. If Klarion can find a way to come back than so can Child. Anyway, I'm not in a mood for this long debate or discussion. If the writers don't want to bring her back than I'm okay with it. It's not that serious.
Everyone in this comment section: Wait, what do you mean a villain named Flaw with a visible crack in his chest was being built up to be taken down by exploiting that flaw? Like I called it the instant she named him. They were so caught up in Child's immense power and the supposed invulnerability of her anchor that only Traci could see the weak point. Fight smarter, not harder.
Yes, and that is why it's stupid. If this was a video game boss, people would houl murder about the lazy designers who made his weak point so glaringly obvious. They could've at least hidden it somewhere on his body, or covered it with more patterns, so that only some tiny irregularity would've given it away. Or maybe in their previous battles Flaw would've taken special care to protect that part of his body, and she'd remembered it now and worked it out. Make them earn it, in other words.
Traci went on a whole ass monologue about how it would be some real *BAD LUCK* if the cracks in Flaw's chest spread right before hitting him with her *Bad Luck* hex.
@@Alknix That’s the thing though, it doesn’t look like a weak point. It looks like a scratch. They hit Flaw in the chest a bunch of times and it did nothing, so of course they didn’t realize it was a weakness. Traci, on the other hand, has a very limited power set focused primarily on finding and targeting weak points. It makes sense that she was the one to figure it out.
Thats a good question: my guess is that the lords of order did this, because they basically left her alone before she got defeated. the only reason she did get defeated was also because the lords of chaos stopped giving her all their power
I think when vandal savage made a deal with lords of order and chaos, the lords of chaos might return the child until she was defeated when her anchor was destroyed
Would have really liked to have seen a much more grisly demise for Child than just simply transforming back into a crystal and returning to her realm. Karion just likes to mainly cause a ruckus, Child on the other hand is completely psychotic even for a Lord of Chaos!
Dude, Khalid literally separated her skin, muscles, nervous system, and bones from one another and that did NOTHING to her. The only way to get rid of a Lord of Chaos is to kill/destroy their anchor, which banishes back to the incorporeal realm.
Klarion is just as worst, he just is more use to the Mortal plain and see the bigger picture better then she is. ( Probably because of earth 17 or something like that ) But on the psychotics level they are pretty much the same. But it is true that a part of me would have want Klarion to unleash against her and make her pay to have killed Teekl. ;) He is the only one in that room that probably could have cause serious pain to child, considering he did hold his own for a while when he was fighting her who was back by all the Lords.
Makes an incorrect assumption when the answer is directly told to them. It's a RU-vid comment section alright. Traci Thurston/Traci Thirteen is a student of Zatanna who showed up in Superman at one point and has *fought* Jinx using her Urban Magic. If she was Jinx they would have straight up said so.
@@mrshadow4007 No. This isn't Traci Thirteen as she would have been in the comics. The point people are making is that, especially since DC hasn't been above remodeling characters in YJ to be very different from their comic book counterparts, the YJ Traci 13 is basically YJ's version of TT's Jinx. At this point _you're_ the one making incorrect assumptions when the answer is right in front of you.
Y'know I feel like literally naming your minion - your one weakness - after their own one weakness is not exactly the most strategically sound maneuver.
The gem was called the heart of Atlantis, known for its flaw (the crack is inside the gem not outside) and its high value. So she named it for what the gemstone was always known for.
That's it? They build Child up as a destructive force that klarion, Fate and Zatanna couldn't fight alone, she destroys fates tower, has all the powers of the chaos Lords.. and she gets defeated with a pep talk from Vandel to the Lords and one of zatannas students? Kind of disappointing, should have been an entire world cataclysmic event.
The devastation caused to Roanoke, Sydney, the North Pole, Atlantis, and other places indicates that it WAS a cataclysmic event. Or did you not hear the part where the Stranger had to call in favours from basically every superhero and mage he could get?
"see you later Alligator " The reply " after a while crocodile" it's a fun childish way to say goodbye. Buuuuut your joke still stand we know Teekl meow. We know he got annoyed and assume people understood and like half the time ..no no they did not XD they understood the big lines that I was part of his goodbye. xD
I think chaos lords take the form of children because what’s more chaotic than kids? While the lords of order prefer to give their power to those who are mature and wise, chaos lords are considered childish and irrational. Vandal Savage convinced both Lords that they should work together to keep the balance in check. Vandal was able to convince “wild boisterously minded children” to work with “overly pompous arrogant prideful minded adults” to work together towards a common goal.
Y'know it's weird, since he was forged from solid diamond I figured that Flaw would have to be flat out vaporized, like literally nothing left behind, in order to get rid of Child. But I guess he needs to be in one solid physical piece to hold Child in this dimension, so breaking him apart has the same effect. I guess she made Flaw a huge weakness in trying to give him strength
Why they didn't do it form the beggining It was obvious form the beginning, I even saw this as obvious from the start ,that all they had to do was to attack that weak point
@@XMitrilXPL But that's just it: WE knew that the crack was there, but the heroes didn't know until he was right on top of them. Energy blasts bounced off due to the whole 'refraction' thing, but Hex Magic? Aimed right at the crack? Perfect.
millions dead and entire cities destroyed and Traci 13 could have just done that this whole time? i cant tell who is more unlucky, her, flaw, or the world that is damaged
Possibly. But Traci wasn't using her Bad Luck magic before out of fear of hitting her allies as well as her enemies, her trial by Fate mocked he for it, and she used it when they were at a low point where getting hit by bad luck couldn't really make things worse so it was worth a shot. She was using her Urban Magic beforehand and didn't know what would happen if she used her Bad Luck magic.
Flaw is almost like a magical version of Superman . He can take an enormous amount of damage without even flinching , he was hit by several blasts that probably could take a small city and barely felt it but he has one single weakness that f an be exploited and make him helpless
They really treated Mary like shit she needed help and instead of being supportive they all turned on her literally driving her to the dark side aka a dark alley
This is ridiculous Fam and I can’t express on how I feel about this like seriously I heard so so many rumors going on for the longest time that Dr Fate is suppose to be stronger than Strange and Fate is to powerful if that was the case and true than how come I don’t see anything happening instead Fate is struggling which I’m not a fan of
@@codenamejinza I understand and yes he did use alot of spells and magic but it doesn't change the fact he's still struggling and for someone as powerful as he's suppose too be he shouldn't even need to struggle like this and one thing I truly hope they do justice on Fate and give him the power he's supposedly have in Black Adam that's coming out soon
@@codenamejinza true I can’t argue with that but still I suspected so much more from him on everything I was told about Fate or less they nerf the shit out of Fate similar on what they did to my boy Larfreeze he’s my favorite Lantern and I don’t know if u watched the Green Lantern series but Larfreeze was in there and mannnn they nerf the shit out of Larfreeze and made him so weak similar to this if he really is nerf I don’t know I just know on what I was told nothing else
Bruh. Doctor Fate = 1 Lord of Order. 1 Lord of Order is a match for 1 Chaos Lord. That’s why he was almost always equally matched against Klarion, one Chaos Lord. Usually maybe even stronger. But Child was backed up by ALL the other Chaos Lords. I counted 8 diamonds remaining on the Scale. So take those 8, and child and you have the total power of 9 Chaos Lords. OF COURSE DOCTOR FATE GOT HIS ASS KICKED. He’s one lord against nine. With Klarion, it’s two lords against nine. Then finally Child lost the backing she had with the other lords and it became a more even fight. But at that point, Doctor Fate’s helmet was cracked, and his host was an old man with maybe a few years of life left. He’s not exactly in prime condition. So yes, he still struggled. Also complaining about a show nerfing someone? Pffft really? How to tell someone you would never be capable of being a long term show writer without saying it much? If a show makes a hero as overpowered as they tend to be in the source material, then there won’t be any stakes, because obviously the hero will win with how strong they are. Because the hero is too OP. Comics love making Heroes that theoretically are incapable of ever losing a fight. But that’s so incredibly stupid. Especially when half the time those same characters in those same comics don’t even use half the abilities and powers they supposedly have, because otherwise the plot wouldn’t last more than a few pages. Much less several episodes. How many villains would be able to go toe to toe? Not many if at all. Create a villain stronger than the hero? Fine good luck doing that every single time without making it seem ridiculous. Oh well they can have a super weakness like kryptonite! Every single time? Really? That gets old. And when a show introduces a hero, the powers need to be a slow burn/reveal, not a “show all my cards at once haha no more cool surprises that would make for a neat reveal or save later!” You know what WOULD work? A show nerfing a hero and the villain so everything is at a more realistic manageable level and the stakes can be felt a little more and differently as time goes on.
My only question is that with ALL the power of the chaos lords behind her, why couldn’t Child use their power as an anchor to bind her? Strange she still needs a familiar with all of them backing her mission.
