i dont care if his analysis was right, doing that to a teammate especially a rookie is not a good look. i think the hawks have been trying to trade trae for a while but no team wants to give that much. the stories we hear about trae and how he has had teammates dislike him make more and more sense.
There literally no stories about Trae teammate disliking him, also Trae never said anything negative directly about Zacc, he spoke broadly about the draft and thrown shade Alex Sarr...... unfortunately, Paul George podcast put a picture of Zacc in the thumbnail which make seem like Trae was talking about him. but in video itself Trae didn't mention Zacc when said what he said. This guy "Sporting Logically" went even further with the click baiting with a thumbnail that really made it seem Trae was talking about Zacc. This guy has made a bunch of negative videos on Trae and the Hawks.
@draetone5602 there was stories about Collins and him not getting along and that was years ago. There was stories about murray also. So your clearly bias, there was way to many stories on them not to notice
@@Zorohudson And Trae and Collins disputed them. There was a report Trae and Collins had an argument but nothing citing they had beef or issue with other. That doesn't exist. There is no story about Trae and Murray beefing at all. but there are reports of Murray being toxic in general, but we don't know the details of that.
@@DeeJay_VII Except time and time again, it doesn't work because that game doesn't translate to winning rings unless your name is LeBron James. Also the method in which you're holding the ball also matters; something people can't seem to grasp. LeBron was(and still sometimes is) an unstoppable force going towards the rim and(mainly during playoff time) capable of playing some defense. Trae is smaller, less capable defensively, and isn't an elite 3 point shot maker on a game to game basis on, but he'll be sure to shoot those 34 footers and take the air out from under his teammates 😂
@@UncleJrueForTue u do realize who u play with matters as well right? Everyone doesn’t have to be a LeBron they can be a number 2 or play with a great team around them & win
@@UncleJrueForTue I agree with this sentiment fr but I do think Luka fits into this category. I mean he went to the finals, i would say hes a winning player. Especially last finals where he was pretty good on defense until the Boston series where everyone on the team was bad. But Luka shot like 83 percent at the rim this last playoffs, which is good to have when your three isnt falling (his three wasnt falling lol)
Trae Young will be 26 next season same age as SGA but the narrative is so different as far as where they are at in their careers. Trae will be fine. The Murray experience didn’t work like they thought and they had to reboot. Nobody hated on Luka when they missed the playoffs in 23.
The thing about heliocentric players is that you have to be really, really good to justify that play style. Trae Young is good, don't get me wrong, but compare him to Luka or peak James Harden. Luka just went to the Finals. At one point, playing Harden-ball was a guaranteed 55+ wins. Trae Young's heliocentric style has led to between 35 and 43 wins every year. Not nearly the same result as those guys. It's a style of play that rubs a lot of people the wrong way, so if you're going to do it, you'd better be historically great at it.
Not the same type of player, but a similar impact. Both can make a bad team better and a good team worse. Not today’s Westbrook, mind you. Father Time has caught up to him. I am talking about Westbrook from 3-5 years ago.
Wonder if the main reason for Atlanta having mainly role players on their rosters is that stars and superstars don't want to go and play along side Trae so the Hawks can't go out and get them
Not super related to the video but truly believe Trae’s best landing spot is in Orlando next to Paolo surrounded by defenders. I think that could really change the narrative around him
Orlando does need a table setter but they don't need one THAT ball-dominant. Paolo looks like a future top 10 player, everything runs through him and Franz.
Trae young isn't selfless like those 2. He gets a ton of assists cause he's in a heliocentric offense not cause he's a willing passer. He wants to score just as much if not more and only passes when he can't get to his own shot.
@@itsgl00my88 ridiculous take, imo. The original comparison was bad-he has similarities for sure but obviously he's more heliocentric like a LeBron or James Harden than Steve Nash-but he currently averages the 4th most assists per game for a career _ever_ (unless I'm mistaken). You don't get 11 APG without being a willing passer. He has almost every pass in the book too, at least for his height. He _constantly_ throws lobs, essentially creating a 50/50 between his floater and an alley-oop which forces the two defenders involved to commit one way or the other. Of course, if they don't defend his floater, he's going to take it, but that doesn't mean he's not a willing passer: that just means he's taking what the defense gives him. It'd be one thing if he averaged 30 and 10 and the team's offensive efficiency was actually bad, but the Hawks had one of the best offenses in the league last season even despite Trae's having a slow start and dealing with injuries.
It's obvious you guys misunderstood what I was saying. I'm saying he needs to move towards that type of style because it would truly help him elevate his game.
@@BlueGrovyle I've seen Trae young pass more to get an assist than to set up the right play more often than not. He's not passing to someone who swings it for that hockey assist or making the pass that may not result in his assist but gets the defense in motion as much as he's pounding the ball and passing it. That's a reason someone like lebron for example only averages 7 assists cause he's not just passing for assists he's gonna make the pass that leads to the right play even if it's not off his direct assist. I'm not saying he's a bad passer or anything like that, he has the gift for passing, but I wish pound the ball pass basketball in Atlanta and he was more willing to play off the ball. Like Jalen Johnson running the offense and him moving off the ball for some sets would be really good.
I think a coach like Eric Spoelstra could get him to play better off ball but the heat primarily would want him to be on ball. I think trey would trust coach spo in preaching off ball strategies. Trey never had a coach nowhere near the caliber of Eric spoelstra I think there would be a high respect Factor there.
My impression is that Trae still has the good old "ego with no self awareness" issue a lot of young stars end up dealing with. That's why he's easily compared to Harden and Westbrook. Personally I'm reminded of Kyrie and how he's been flourishing after finally turning the leaf and realizing it's not all about him. His response to the All-NBA thing really says it all. He's playing on a team that's not making play-offs and he thinks he's being excluded because he's so dominant that coaches around the league despise him, despite the fact that none of the other stars that are as good/better than him are getting this treatment.
He is by no means the most controversial player in the NBA. Those awards would go to Ja, Draymond, Miles Bridges and Pat Bev up until recently. His true skill level could be considered most controversial.
Not to defend Trae, but no player will sell himself short, even the humblest of them. I'm sort of glad that he takes this position, and both fans and analysts can react as they wish. Love him, hate him, or don't care about him, it then becomes interesting to see how it will all play out. Characters like Trae make the NBA fun, because if everyone responds like a manicured/massaged press release then the league will be all vanilla. If the Hawks do get their act together and win, then props to them. Until then, let's sit back and enjoy the show.
Luka is head and heels better then Trae .luka can get any shot he wants and get to any place on the court.. Trae is super inefficient with his shooting.. matter of fact since they change the rules for drawing fouls from jumping into players... he as not adjusted and struggles alot
@@4ktkaram395 90th in the league in TS%. 118th in eFG%. He just shoots a lot. And he is a contender for worst defensive player in the history of the NBA.
Totally agree and that's okay.. Trae gotta get a better bag.. all he has ever had was shooting ans that was in college not playing with pros he is average or below at best
5:02 and that’s what separates him from players like Bron KD AD and his idol Curry… they can still be dominant without the ball in their hand. Trae is not only a traffic cone on defense he’s invisible on offense if he doesn’t have the ball
@@AnnoyedArchaeology-fm2 you don’t look at raw stats to determine a players value. Hes shot below league average for guards his entire career. While having the worst assist/turnover ratio in the league. Also is by far the worst defender in the league
@@thuggwaffle8825 and you ignoring never playing with a current all NBA defender none of his teammates shooting over 38% from 3 his entire tenure and no 20 PPG scorers except JC's 1 year
Similar to what i said Bam and Butler would let him be 1st option in the regular season they happily do it. Sniper Robinson right next to him as well Ware our new center ready to block anyone who comes into the paint bam and butler on defense as well that's a nice team.
I feel like you missed it on this one. Trae said he thinks he is better off with high quality defenders because he can make everybody better. He talked about Risacher being a "high quality defender". If anything I'd say this interview establishes the view internally and from Trae that the recipe is defensive role players around Trae Young as a focal point. The analytics put Daniels in a class of his own on ball. Johnson is a stud defensively. Okongwu is one of the best switching bigs. Again check the analytics. The team is deep on defense and Trae young is Auto offense.
Hes never included because defense is half the game and his numbers there are a big negative. To say nothing of how rebounding impacts winning and how his contributions there are minimal. No hes not the most underrated/underappreciated "star" in the league. Far from it. This honor would fall to guys whose elite skill and value are on the defensive side of the ball. A guy perhaps who's always ridiculed and hated by the national media.
Hawks messed up. They drafted like they are in FULL rebuild mode. But holding on to Young only makes sense if they want to compete for a championship now. That French kid needs at least a few years before he can help them do any real winning. And since you’re not getting back full price for Young, I’d of probably just traded that pick to the Jazz and tried to get back Markkanen and Kessler.
The real concerns with Trae has always been maturity, patience, and the Atlanta FO/ownership. Trae is best on ball, but he should have wrinkles where he can operate off ball. He's always had a win now attitude (not a bad thing) that can rub teammates the wrong way (especially referring to them as role players). From the outside, the FO has always been a shit show of cohesiveness; conflict in team building philosophies between GM and ownership. 6 seasons later they finally realize he needs wing depth. Can't just have a bunch of guards. The inefficient narrative doesn't add up.. Team is top 5 in offensive efficiency every year. He's got the same shortcomings and TO prone-ness as every other star offense player. Lebron, Luka, KD, Book, Jokic. All have seasons with 4+ TO a game It doesn't add up. If you zoom out, He's a generational offensive player. Never really had a elite squad around him and that's just kinda it... Happens to alot of players. Zoom in on his shortcomings, sure they're valid concerns. But its not enough to deny his talent. But people like to have something to hate.
Trae is also a role player, and his role is instant offense on the ball. For me, he will only have long term success in a good team as a high level bench scorer like Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry or an early James Harden in OKC.
I think Trae Young's isoball approach has hurt Atlanta much more than he's helped them. I also think you're kind of underrating the roster because they've been at least better than 2/3 of the teams in the league as far as their talent goes. IMO. They're not up there with the championship contending teams from either conference but they're in the group under that and I think for that group they've underachieved. A lot of the fault lies with Trae Young. 😊
The book on Trae says ball dominant inefficient grenade launcher. His arrogance(most players are) doesn't help. I'll never forget the year after that brilliant playoff run he strolled into msg with shoes that said "King of Broadway" and then got spanked. Arrogant non winners will face an uphill battle
Since we are being honest, if Steph Curry didn’t become a generational player, Trae wouldn’t be in the league. Before Steph, a small, bad defender, shot chucker wouldn’t last more than a season in the league.
He's also an elite playmaker though. He's averaged over 9 assists every season since his rookie year. He got 11 last season and 10 the two seasons prior to that.
He’s not wrong everybody said this class was trash, he’s just being candid. If he can be Brandon Clarke with a jumpshot I’m pretty happy with that despite him going #1 Trae has never played with another star and it’s typical for star players to want to play with stars (LeBron/Curry are the best of the generation and played with the best also). If Trae leaves I hope Hawks get a great return
Why don’t people like Trae? Cause he barely plays defense and exploits the offensive rules as much as possible. Doesn’t mean he’s not a good player but he’s also not a hard player to hate. Kind of the same path as Harden, really, with less drama.
The idea that there aren't two alll star caliber players in this draft is false and narrative bullshit pushed by espn. The last "worst draft" in the last decade had jokic and giannis. Bad narrative, don't include it with solid analysis
A true "me" guy with a diva complex, obviously totally untouched by reality. Poor man's James Harden riding on that one year that Philly lost that 2nd round, Atlanta didn't win it. Will end up like Kemba Walker.
After watching the interview, as a Hawks fan now I know why other players hate him and why we're having a hard time signing free agents. Trae is so full of himself and I felt embarrassed and say that he's kind of a dick the way he answered some of the questions.
I always wounder how these players would go in better systems with more talent. For me the hawks finish pretty relative to their talent their 30-40 win team not bad enough to tank not good enough to push. My question is where dose Trae go when hes a free agent (if hes not traded) where would he fit well? Spurs? Would they even want him?
Trae is shooting below league average eFG%, FG% and 3PT% and the playoffs are another horror show by itself. Just because you averaged a lot of points does not mean you are killing the other team. He didnt think maybe teams love it when you shoot below average against them and they can take advantage of your lack of defense every play. The easy thing is to say they are just hating on me.
Zach might end up being a borderline All-star but Reed would have been a better fit alongside Trae. He doesn't NEED the ball to be effective. Trae is an above average playmaker and passer and he would have looked great with Reed beside him.
If anyone tells you that trae young sucks you need to immediately stop talking basketball with them just because you don’t like someone game doesn’t mean you can take away from their greatness
This whole role player/star player mentality is the reason why these players are always on bad teams. The best players don't care who is a star or who is a role, they just see a job that needs doing and they do it. Steph doesnt care that he is the GOAT shooter, he willingly played bait and just shot spot ups for Team USA. Lebron plays the Draymond Green role on his team, he rebounds and passes more than he scores. Giannis always does the dirty work and defends the other team's best player. MJ and Kobe outworked everyone else on their team all the time.
Idk if this is a hot take, but when I watched them play last year, it was Murray that was the best player on that team, and seeing them plat live, it wasn't really that close.
He's not necessarily wrong but it comes off as him trying to say that this guy is just a role player and I'm still the star of the team. It doesn't matter if he was the number one pick because this was the role player draft and I'm Trae Young. Adidas always been about himself and it really feels like nothing's changed. He'll probably turn out to be right but he's got this kid on his team who has just been told by him that he's a role player.
@@elderassassin9673 I don't think anyone wants him. Dude gets paid 43 mil a year and there's no way we're getting a superstar back if we trade him (Unless we give up even more picks) and even if we did trade him, the guy(s) we'd get back wouldn't be enough to replace the offense he gives so we'll probably end up with a losing record which gives the spurs (Who have our picks for the next 3 years) better trade value or high picks in the draft. He's gonna be with us for a while.
He's 100% wrong lol.. there's been worse drafts lol. The guys in this draft are talented they just don't have any name value...we've had supposed "stacked" draft classes with majority turning out to be busts. This bold coming from Trae who's team is regressing each year
@@ricoransom2001 I don't think what you're saying is necessarily right. I was all over the draft coverage for months and what I see is a class that is one of the worst in a long time. Of course good players will come out of it bye I don't see anybody at the top of this draft that is a must-have player. Time will tell.
@@bookaufman9643 the 2011 class was supposed to be "stacked" and only 3 players from that draft amounted to anything lol.. y'all go by what the media says a bunch of these guys have shown in this draft that they're NBA ready
I really think trae young is one of the most SKILLED players in the game (I’m saying “one of” not “THE” , I’m saying I think skill wise he top 25). One of the better shooters from long distances. One of the better players when it comes to play making.. but, the way he thinks, his limitations on his size, his ball dominant ways, not great offball, makes his fit anywhere hard and hard to win with him, I feel the same way with Russ later in his career, and Colin sexton, I think they are very skilled guys but at that/this point of their careers their styles make winning basketball and a cohesive team nearly impossible.
Trae Young is NOT the most controversial player in the NBA right now. Might be one of the most polarizing bc of popular opinion but he isn’t really controversial
One can argue that the Hawks' front office have not done a great job building the roster around Trae, but Trae is clearly not good enough to truly get them far. I would argue that there are other stars in this league that could better with the roster he has.
Did you even watch the full interview? Or are you purposefully nitpicking to make a viral video? Trae clearly stated he hasn’t even met Zach yet, and hasn’t really even seen him play. He also said he thinks sarr is going to be great, but not sure if he will be the wizards 1st option.
Sorry, he is simply a gunner imo, not playing the overall team game. I'd trade him for a first rounder, top 10 protected, that's about it. As an example, I'd rather have Brunson than Young on my team.
I get where Trae Young is coming from. He hasn't had someone like a Paul George or LeBron James or Jason Tatum as teammate. Dejounte Murray is hardly a role player though. As for the new rookie class, time will tell if anyone is a star or if it is just role players. There isn't that guy who stands out above all as a LeBron James type of guy, but even the worst draft classes ever have had one or two guys who ended up being pretty good. I do think that him saying this about someone who is about to be his own teammate though is a little disrespectful. Nobody knows what he will be in 3-5 years. A Bust... possible. A good starter... possible. A borderline all star? Possible. All NBA superstar? Possible. One thing that a draft cannot tell is how hard someone is willing to work to get better and to prove people wrong. Sure, they probably don't have a franchise guy with this pick in Atlanta. But he could still become a damn good player. Most likely, I don't think Trae Young finishes this season in Atlanta. I think he wants out. I am sure that some team desperate to make a splash will swing for Trae Young. Heat, Suns, Nuggets, Lakers, Jazz, Wolves...I could see trying to make a move to get him, trying to either get into the playoffs or because they are trying to see if they can make a push to go for a deep run team. But, long term, Atlanta is probably better off trading him away. Give themselves a chance for more draft picks and cap space in the long run.
Trae Young gets a lot of hate although he is right about his draft class maybe he should have not phrased it like that 😅 Honestly with Trae he needs to be on a team that has defenders around him really Orlando would be a perfect fit for him but it seems like they don’t want to take the ball out of Paolo hands The only other option is maybe Miami but they don’t have the draft capital the Hawks would want
but these podcasts and constant media environment create these kinds of comments. It sounded like a casual conversation between Trae and PG. They can't control what they say at all times. they're human. And then everybody's quietly waiting for some dumb thing to surface like this and then make some buzz with it as if something was revealed about who Trae (or another) really is inside. it's all very artificial. I'm not a Hawks fan but I hope things will be good between Trae and the rookie
Trey is just not scary. Like he doesnt come off as like we need to stop him. Its more like guard him and all but him going off wont always hurt u. Then attack him when hes on defense like everytime you more than likely win most games.
Trae Young proved how unselfish he can be when he was the main distributor in game seven against the Sixers in 2021 and let Kevin Hurter. But i see you choose not to include that because it hurts the narrative you want to spin about Trae Young. He has areas to grow no doubt, but ya'll act like he's a diva dragging his team down when thats not the case.
A bit of a walking contradiction , you say Trae’s comments aren’t wrong but weird referring to his teammates as role players, so basically his comments are weird but not wrong?
Trae is very good except his bb IQ in 4th quarters playing hero ball with long ill advised 3 pointers that cause fast break points or just holding on the ball extremely too long. Player development also has been a destroyer of ATL success. A lot of that blame goes to Nate McMillian. If he was still here Jalen Johnson would be 15 minute bench player.
Is he right? Perhaps but he you kinda force him to be in that situation because you yourself are the star player so how will he become more than what you believe he is as a role player if you the star player?
Bro even if this is the worst class of all time, there will still b all stars. Ur tripping if u think the best guy is a role player. That’s never happened in the history of the nba
Landry and Ressler have done nothing to add talent with trae, i would do me, 30 and 10 a night, I wouldn't throw my career away with the dysfunctional owner and front office
