Trafficking, Prostitution and Inequality: A Public Lecture by Catharine MacKinnon 

RU-vid hides content like Catharine MacKinnon. There is so much money in the sex trade that the videos in favor are pushed to the top, while content like this is hidden. You have to really know what you're looking for to find info against the exploitation of women.

Its messed up

This was my exact thought. i suppose patriarchy is still alive an well. It took me 25 years to find out about Mackinnon and Germaine Greer, conversely I find it hard to NOT have Peterson recommended on my social media feeds.

Primarily because of his early stance against the Canadian pronoun policy… which is an issue that strikes at women harder.

How so?

I can believe it. By and large, people don't actually want their beliefs challenged.

moids ?? what is that

​@@coreyyohm males. Dickheads

Taking her as a rolemodel? and you believe her passion makes you hope for humanity? danger alert.

@@anstjsdlr ? you're a walking danger alert...

@@anstjsdlr of course good people being passionate about human rights gives good people who are passionate about this hope! what are you blabbering? what's your passion except trolling? lmao

@@p.kilian5157 Human rights you say? more likely woman rights for her. I hope not you think human=woman Lol. She may be a respected researcher. I have little doubt about it. However, taking her kind as a rolemodel is like...well, you know what.

@@anstjsdlr you're seriously thinking anyone cares about the bs opinion of a vile, evil zombie like you who writes that half of the world population wouldn't be human in your sick mind because you think girls and women aren't human? well, think again. and what you're doing here is hatespeech, illegal and disgusting.

misogynistic males, they're everywhere.

That would be the men

My thoughts exactly 😬

men

TRAs probs

misogynistic men

@@user-iy1ig9kd7d I'm misogynist. Not because my choice or any ideology/religion (common lie between feminists). I can explain how to raise misogynist who would be able to work as a pimp.

prostitution , sex for sale is always exploitation and always wrong, including the few cases were women and girls say they'd do it by their free will. that's literally the point of this speech.

I actually agree, and just to expand on this idea, it raises a question about where is the line between legitimate labor work slavery in general.

​@@p.kilian5157thank you

I hope it's her ex-husband now... Or at least she became a widow xDDD

@@Corrosive_Acid me too

@@Corrosive_Acidamen

not denying that sex slaves exist but 1% of spanish population?!that's like 500 thousand wtf... any proof ?

I live in New Zealand, and sex workers here are treated like shit. We have the worst rates of violence against women in the OECD.

@@michellestelle also I wasn't trying to say bad stuff doesn't happen to prostitutes in NZ - rather I was trying to point out the hypocrisy and inaccuracy of the spoilt american princess who strood up and tried to discredit McKinnon by saying 'indoor prosititution is a haven... look at these wonderful utopian rates of wellness that NZ prostitutes have'

Yeah I was a prostituted woman in NZ for over 20 years, it is constant violence and exploitation, police just turn a blind eye to it because it's decriminalised

@@michellestelle sources please? not doubting you but i'd like some links

feeltheillinois It's pure evil and insanity, just like her.

...are you gonna attempt to refute which statements you disagree with or just make blanket declarations based on nothing?

feeltheillinois Based on nothing? I have 40+ years of experience watching this woman in action. She has done everything in her power to violate others rights while spewing absolutely unhinged not nonsense. She is already working hand in hand with the Fundamentalists right again, which she did all through the 1970s & 1980s, while pushing and promoting the Satanic Panic/Ritual Child Sex Abuse Hysteria. A moral panic/witch hunt that destroyed thousands of lives, caused suicides, the destruction of families, lengthy institutionalization of several women and children and the wrongful conviction of many innocent people. Radfems pushed the Recovered Memory Therapy and Incest Survivors Movements.... movements that started the hysteria. Watch a 90s documentary called Frontline's the Search for Satan. You'll see Gloria Steinem acting as a guest of honor for a horrific quack RMT doctor named Bennett Braun. A man known for loading he s female and child patients up on multiple drugs before telling them they were abused by Satanic Cults. Look for articles where Cat declared her belief it in. Look at The Courage to Heal. Watch Frontline's Divided Memories and know Judith Herman wrote Father Daughter Incest and Trauma & Recovery while practicing the same therapy as Braun. 2nd wave Radfems are a deeply disturbed group of hateful whores. None of them had a problem with making money off others destruction.

@@pollysshore2539 you sound absolutely unhinged. The work of 2nd wave radfems will never be forgotten. They paved the way for women to be treated like human beings, to speak up against workplace sexual harassment and discrimination. Love Catharine and all the work she has down for women. Thank you to 2nd wave Radfems!

Steel1856 Women, and men have never viewed this in the same light. Many think Radfem’s contributed little to nothing and did a disservice. Even those that could half way agree with McDworkins opinions on topics found her/their legislative attempts grotesque rights violations that did more harm than good. This is the truth. They continue to be expanded in more vague and persecutory ways today. Many young women today have an absurd understanding and definition of rape, assault, harassment, coercion and more thanks to these cunts Personally, I wish the pseudo evangelical/conservative whore was dead in a ditch with her throat cut.... by a woman. www.google.com/amp/s/amp.slate.com/human-interest/2018/10/queer-agenda-radical-feminism-pornography.html www.google.com/amp/s/www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/305051/ www.cathyyoung.net/bgcolumns/2005/dworkin.html

In an ideal world women would not have to make extra considerations because men would be socialised in such a way that being a scrote would be unthinkable

yeah i was thinkin it too

AngryTenko Transwomen never undergo threats and discrimination for just having vagina and they are willing to go throught such things. They think being a woman is penetrated by a penis, which is men’s idea. This prove transwomen are still MEN.

@@claudiablackhre Being a women is not "threats and discrimination for just having vagina".

@ ok white "knight" , thx for the mansplaining !!!! to women !!!! what it means to be a woman!!!!!!!!! SMH !!!!!!

P. Kilian the excitedly liberal use of exclamation points seems a bit hysterical. So extra.

@@pestlund right, extra "hysterical", "extra" for you. and you seem extra petty and pathetic to rile up about someone using "quotes" to make more sure the meaning of their written word is more clear. your life must be extra "interesting" "lol". good that you're "not" projecting "at all", bc that's one interesting topic in psychology. and yes, I put "extra" many "hysterical" "xclamation marks" in for you to show how extra and hysterical I "really" "am""."

Under nordic model, johns are criminalized as well as pimps, traffickers, procures. And at the same time the women sold are decriminalised and provided with social services, affordable housing, drug/alcohol rehab if needed, childcare, education/job training, etc. Yes some johns will stop committing the crime that's the point, at the same time many women will be enabled to escape prostitution and build actual careers etc. Sweeden has the highest prices for prostitution in Europe, and with police cracking down on pimps and traffickers more of that will go to the women, enabling them to not have to take so many johns, and also to enforce more boundaries because they are able to call the cops on johns at any time and not be charged themselves as the victims of the crime. In my country New Zealand since decriminalization prices are lower, and the brothels take bigger and bigger cuts, there is a lot of competition because many women are desperate and that causes pressure on everyone to put up with dangerous acts to get the booking. Client information is completely anonymous, there is no way of going to police for help, how you going to prosecute anyone you don't know their name or address or their place of work, and the police just send you away anyway. These guys are decriminalised, and it doesn't matter if they commit additional violence on top of it I've gone to police station after being punched in the head with a concussion for protecting a younger newer girl in the brothel, the man also stole my purse, the police told me to go and look for it in the public bins around the area because thieves will likely take what they want and throw the bag away. They sent me out their doors. And the police are not allowed to come into the brothels, if you call police management will fire you too. Plus you'll be stuck in a limbo between being considered an independent contractor or an employee, the brothel will tell you that you are independent contractor and responsible for your own tax, but you won't have any independent contractor freedoms you will be treated like an employee except without any employee rights or breaks, or anything. The only way to determine is to go to court, no one has ever done it, who would? There's a chance they'll tell you that you owe all this back tax if ruled as independent contractor, we are already poor that's why we have to put up with johns raping us to get money. Pimps and johns have all the power in decrim.

I would think this depends on the distinction of prostitution as a part of a crime ring or just individual addicts. Because prostitutes are managed. And narcotics can be a part of that management.

more men are drug addicted than women or the same amount. but exponentially more women than men are exploited in prostitution. your calculation doesn't add up.

You heard the part about the 6 yr old kid right?🙄

You don’t need none of that fancy book learnin’.

If she is a feminist and about equality.. how is criminalizing the men but not the women equal? What criminalizing the buyers says that the women in prostitution are as children and cannot choose.. it doesn't matter the choice they make the man is wrong for buying it.. How is that equal.. it sounds like she wants to take away the choice of what a woman does and make that choice not matter. "The woman can do no wrong, and the man can do no right" mentality...

th3n3wk1dd +th3n3wk1dd +th3n3wk1dd She's studied trafficking all over the world. I think that women who are very in control of their own lives and situations are very much the exception to her. She is talking about the majority of women who are "trafficked" in a way that destroys their dignity and takes away their options as a human being. People who spend their lives under unimaginable physical and psychological duress. Also, I was reading some Bertrand Russel and he was talking about the fact that wage earners in general ARE slaves. the fact that you are stuck in a wage earning class for life, barring incredible circumstances, is quite an advantageous situation to the small percentage of people actually in power of changing that. what freedoms do we all actually have? This woman is talking about big problems, and you or I could find a lot of problems with her individual points or statistics...but are you really against her and her cause? Isn't this a serious problem that most of us are on the same side about? The solution is as complex as the problem, but i feel like we have to get going. Terrible things are happening to many people.

PracticeMakesAwesome Believe it or not... I am pretty close to the industry as I am a recovering john.. so I know what the industry is like intimately. I know what her cause is and it is to stop prostitution.. but what she doesn't realize is stopping prostitution isn't the answer to fixing human trafficking. Like I said.. I am very much against human trafficking. but her crusade she is going on about is completely wrong as she believes that the every woman in the industry is a victim and free from guilt and thinks every john in the industry is guilty of rape and no real consent can actually exist.. And unless you have lived or seen what it is actually like in the industry.. you know that is completely wrong and not even the majority. The reason? The statistics that are being pulled are skewed. And I could go on and on about what is wrong about them and I see what she is trying to do is just (and that I am actually for).. but she is going about it wrong. Now I do not pay for sex any more... as I have found "God" as people would say.. but a long those same lines... I am NOT for people protecting me from myself... Creating laws telling me what I can do or not do with my own body.. I am an adult and I should be able to choose and not the majority of society telling me I am wrong for doing what I am doing.... Society says it's wrong to have sex because most girls are doing it because of circumstances.. but it isn't wrong to work 3 part time jobs and become a commercial slave? that is hypocrisy... I choose not to have sex now.. but that is my choice... I'm not going to judge a woman if she wants to do it... whether she is doing it for her family or not is not my business...

th3n3wk1dd I have read sex workers say that they much prefer sex work than being a secretary or file clerk for $9/hour, being leared at by the men in the office, and worrying about their safety if asked to work overtime. MacKinnon's father was a Minnesota state judge. Hence he was a successful lawyer, and she grew up comfortable upper middle class. She fails to appreciate that economic life for at least 40% of adult Americans is hard and unpleasant. Low pay, bad working conditions, or welfare. Stamping out sex work will not change these hard facts of life. For many of us, all of our life choices are fundamentally shaped by limited education and limited means.

alnot01 I agree... people seem to think if we get rid of poverty that we will get rid of prostitution... and that is simply not the case.. in fact how does it make a mother's life better closing a door of opportunity of making a viable income for a family if we throw her in jail because she chose to sell something normal people can give a way for free... AND... MacKinnon looks at this in a statutory rape outlook.. it means... a woman cannot choose to have sex, she does not have the ability to choose.. so therefore the man is always the victimizer and the woman always the victimized... Sorry.. that's completely incorrect.

What would you do about prostitutes on hard drugs? Trying to help them is like trying to rescue a zombie. No amount of pontification from anti sex feminists will change that.

@@trevorloughlin1492 "anti sex feminists"... what a clown *facepalm*

"Sex work" my ass... Have you ever thought why the majority of them is actually female?

thanks for the laugh

OMFG! i thought the exact same thing XD

Who is Malfoy?

bordello? is that supposed to be a cute name for trafficking hot spots? the law The Swedish / Nordic Model is the best. it keeps human trafficking at the lowest rates. in other words, you're a shitty researcher and oblivious to the truth and reality of any brothels. whether in Nevada or Germany where they literally have "flat rate sex" offers....! brothels always have been and always will be human trafficking hot spots, whether you believe the fluffy clouds you're being fed or not. that includes brothels which are lead by women.

@@p.kilian5157 "Bordellos should be partnerships owned by the women who work in them." "The age of consent for prostitution should be 21, not 18."

Bordello prostitution should consist of men only, that would be fair. They can fuck each other without doing any more harm to women.

We dont freely consent, we submit because we need the money. We still suffer all the same physical and mental harms as any other rape victim enduring unwanted sex acts. We have pimps who take the majority of our pay and then charge us ad and shift fees and consumables, many of us go home to abusive boyfriends who prey on vulnerable women and they take the remainder of the money, why should we have to pay tax as well, we have no money already that's why we're here.

@@chelsea911 Stop with this unlogical definition. A rape could not exist if there is consensuality and even gaining money. This one is so clear and so Sex Workers must pay taxes even if they say that Sex Work is Work.

@@francostars mansplainer detected. Do you even know what logic is if you can't comprehend simple statements? Sex work is not work, it's a fuckin rape, a crime done to women by men, no money could ever justify this trauma.

she clearly did?

I'm pretty sure she knows about the Nevada model...dont you. Maybe she doesn't mention it because it's not the problem she's talking about. You don't think that The existence of the Nevada model makes this issue NOT a HUGE problem do you? Aren't you more WITH catherine mackinnon and what she stands for than against her? even if you disagree with some talking points and statistics...

PracticeMakesAwesome No actually. She is combining human trafficking statistics with prostitution statistics as if they are one and the same... Prostitution is NOT a "huge problem" as she makes it out to be.. She thinks that a woman has no way to choose to sell herself if she is in "economic poverty".. and using the "You cannot choose to sell yourself if you are poor"... and calls it commercial rape.. when you see someone who is struggling and hates their 3 part time jobs to make ends meet and refuses to call it commercial slavery (hence you cannot choose to work in fast food because of your economic poverty). She thinks the guys that buy sex should be criminals... making Sweden the optimal model giving the woman to choose to sell sex but the purchase illegal.. that is like saying woman (whether they consent or not) cannot choose to have sex because the man is always wrong... And I think that is BS... Now.. what I do agree with her on is the numbers and actual statistics.. but I disagree with how she is reading them.. I am fundamentally against human trafficking.. but I am fundamentally Pro-prostitution. the simple act of sex for sale... not forced sex for sale. Anyone who says that is impossible doesn't know the industry very well.

Mancheeze Nevada is a good example because everyone (100%) of the girls are of legal age and can leave at any time they want.. no one is forcing them to be there... and that is what decriminalization does.. it gives the option if they so choose to sell themselves without someone like you coming along and saying "What you are doing is wrong!" You see, if the illegal market is "booming".. then they are doing it wrong.. Trafficking is already illegal, how does making prostitution illegal make trafficking more illegal except make it so those that actually WANT to participate in the industry look for illegal ways to do it.

Mancheeze what sort of rocket science do you do for a living?

Mancheeze You would be surprised on how much research I have done on this subject. It is you that is "dumb as rocks" since you refuse to look at facts. But please.. post any evidence where Nevada has had trafficked victims within their walls... Sorry. You are using morality to press an agenda. No HIV EVER found in the brothels... BBC did a piece on that subject.. and every girl that wants to leave the Brothels can... but please.. a hop skip and a jump over there and interviewing them directly yourself would prove that.. but then.. you aren't interested in facts.. Only thing you are interested in is saying "you are wrong" without putting forth any facts.

you mean dangerous to the huge amount of children who are exploited in CP that is shown on official porn sites and not taken down by the host? u need better research skills. these are huge, known scandals and nothing is done about it by officials to stop it. so what is dangerous to you? pls explain.

@@p.kilian5157 I have no problem in condemning the production of child pornography. Any suggestion that I do is a cheap shot comparable to the pathetic Incels trolling Catherine in gynecological terms. But one does not have to be a card carrying member of NAMBLA to think that there is something wrong when kids who "sext" are sleeping under bridges due to sex offender residency restrictions, or mothers are left suicidal after having their children snatched for taking an innocent nude photograph. The idea that someone can effectively lose citizenship for simply looking at a picture means that the Dworkin/MacKinnon ordinances can be considered a religious misandrist law comparable to the misogynist hudood ordinances of general Zia-ul Haq in Pakistan! But it gets worse. This poisonous idea that "looking is doing" makes public photography by single males hazardous. I was filming an airshow when a mad woman shouted out that I was there to film the children and rape them. Actually, as the police soon proved, I had been very careful to avoid the taboo objects. She said "Oh, it'll be alright then" and I gave the film critics/lynch mob the lecture I am now giving you. Incidentally, it will NEVER be alright.

@@trevorloughlin1492 you're an angry, frustrated man concerned with your rights. what do you think makes decent parents flip like this? all the monsters who are targeting children! not the laws that protect children! you want worse, more loose laws for child protection bc these laws sometimes can make your life uncomfortable! instead of fighting against proper laws, fight for them and against criminals! then over time men will be less suspicious, and only then! you're upset at this mother. be upset about this society, criminal men, the flawed justice system that treats the victims terribly so that 95% of rapists walk free, sick companies like mindgeek who make billions of exploiting children and women and keep the videos with clearly criminal content up, often for years even if reported.

@@trevorloughlin1492 and how do you have the audacity to word it as if it's "dangerous" to the "poor innocent men" hanging around children with cameras. if you're truly innocent there's no danger for you as a grown male. you've nothing to fear if you got nothing to hide! unlike innocent children! I'll never!!! understand how men can always be so self-absorbed to want to sacrifice even children's rights just because it could cause inconvenience to you! very suspicious, but extremely egocentric at least.

Pornography is a documented and cruel act of rape; I would have been worried to be around a man who loves porn.

who the duck are you?? micromanaging?? your brain and lack of character and morals are the only microbic unmanageable things here!!!!!

Considering the fact she covers this in the lecture, I'll have to assume you didn't listen, and just want to criticize. I see it has been 6 yrs since your comment, what steps have you taken to advocate for trafficked or prostituted ppl?

Your head is full of garbage, mate.

Lmao the funny thing is she isn't religious at all. It's not a religious law, it's a law for human rights. The industry abuses many

If you like to suck dicks for money please keep doing it dude, but don't you dare to push it towards other people.

www.snopes.com/quotes/mackinnon.asp

This quote is false. She did not say that, and your attempt to discredit her is sad and ridiculous.

Emma Ferguson oh goodness. Another delusional person. Take a look at the Elly Arrow channel and learn something.

ASMRyouVEGANyet? I am not delusional. (Maybe just a bit) women are better off then they were. However prostitution still oppresses women.

Trafficking has gotten worse since it's been legalized in New Zealand too. This happens in every country that has legalized it

Eternalux oh wow. I didn't know that. That's awful. I don't condone legalizing anything that hurts people. But I honestly thought that it was a better move for the prostitutes even though I know for a fact that the police would never arrest the prostitutes on cross st on the past anyway. It almost like a battle that you can't win. Do you live here in nz?

Legalizing it, is just an attempt to normalise it as legitimate work, so , no these women are certainly not better off. The men who use them are - its now legal to rape them! Some girls are as young as 14 or 15.

I guess you've lost all of your brains while walking along this trail.

clown

@@Corrosive_Acid Who is the clown? Only who is suffering of whorephobia could be a clown.

Sexual morality meaning don't rape people. Yeah that's a good part of sexual morality. Actual sexual immorality is rape, pedophilia, abuse. This isn't about repressive religious notions like no pre-marital sex or no homosexuality, it's about not causing inexcusable harm to fellow humans.

Man moment ☕

classic ad hominem when you are too intellectually weak to respond.....

If that were what she thought, she’d call them women instead of transgenders.

Not everything in the world revolves around men. Cry about it and f*ck off from your daughter.

That's you who has serious problems, obviously.