Train signal expert SAVAGELY critiques GTA V! 

Gta5 is one of those kinds of games that on the surface looks very detailed and realistic but if you actually dig just a little bit deeper, you start to notice how absurd and impractical all of the infrastructure of the world is.

Hyce: Complains about too many signals. Also Hyce: Complains about train spacing. My man, there are at least 12 signals between those two trains.

Hyce's idea of being a badass lawbreaker in GTA: running within the gauge

Despite all of the signals, two trains collide head-on during the Merryweather heist

It’s funny how the rural crossing are about the only thing close to accurate. (The little colliery waggons at the end of that yard are the cherry on top )

just completely love the fact the tunnel at 15:33 has catenary

The rail crossing gates do come down when a train approaches... Only in single player campaign.

I understand the random placement of block signals and random bits of electric railroad stuff, but someone had to consciously put those RxR cantilevers over the track and say "yea, that's correct" 😂 I died when you revealed the British trucks. Was not expecting that.

“Watch out for the street car!” “GP30 intensifies”😂 This video is the funniest Hyce video yet😂

Don’t worry about the radius of the curves, catalog said “minimum curve O27”

Haven’t watched it, but I wanna mention that, if you haven’t mentioned yet, the reason that there’s a lot of British buffers and some British wagons used around the yards and around some of the mines and refineries is because Rockstar is a British company, and the cars and buffers are likely preexisting assets either free for public use or made for another game.

Being a GTA nerd, railfan, and car guy, I couldn't ask for much more 😂 I always liked the attempt at railroads in V, just not the execution, hopefully VI does things a bit better lol, I'd love to see some longer and better modelled trains, especially road units, as much as I like the weird GP parody V has, also I'll give the crossing gates props for having a steady burn light on the end lol, well for the ones that work

Hyce can you check out the rr in RDR2? I thought they were a bit sparce, but there’s some good detail and silliness in St. Dennis, Annesburg, Baccus bridge and tunnel, bards crossing cornwall oil & tar and the rr camp near beavers hollow. I also liked the variety of the trains, there’s two locomotive models a standard passenger or freight consist plus the mission specials. And my favorite detail is how in the story the rr company breaks up into a fee differnt companies with different liveries in the epilogue. Plus the trolleys are cute.

Also, I love the way Hyce has conditioned us all that as soon as Smells like Kenosha started up we had a pretty good guess of what was coming

the one that made me laugh was the British rolling stock in the factory area in what is ment to be LA

The 7 plank wagons are probably a joke since the devs are from scotland, some guy was probably tickled pink putting them there.

As someone who plays a lot of GTAV, and who is a nerd, I've found myself laughing aloud at the completely nonfunctional switches that should derail the train every time it runs over one. Never thought about some of the other stuff though, I've learned and found more to laugh about! (And as I also collect cars in-game, thoughts on the Declasse Tornado?)

20:00 the perfect example of why you don't be in the gauge unless it's necessary

Congratulations CJ, you (kinda) followed the darn train.

One of my fondest memories of any GTA game is SA where Id spend most of my time driving the trains around. Good times. I actually ended up making a Go Loco crew in GTA Online just so I could very lightly RP as the railroad company.

This has made my day as someone who has played gta to much it’s awesome to see hyce play it for a bit and point out all the issues with the muscle cars that have irritated me for years 5:42

At 9:27 the cross bucks are facing the right way towards the flow of traffic, but the cantilever is on the wrong side of the crossing

Hyce: What's up guys this is Lemmy Kilmister One minute later: Proceeds to drive like he's listening to Motorhead 😂

when the one locomotive is pulling 5 cars on a 20% grade through a level crossing with a 3-headed signal and no gates while being warned that it is crossing a road and then it goes through a 10 meter turn

We need a whole video of Hyce critiquing the entirety of the cursed San faulty train line

Moral of the story, there are never enough signals, there cannot be enough signals, when in doubt: MORE SIGNALS!

14:18 That looks like like a pair of British TPWS loops (Train Protection and Warning System). They come in pairs spaced apart and if you pass the 2nd too soon after the 1st you're overspeed and it applies the emergency brakes for you. You find them back to back like this at signals so that passing a red signal will trigger it at any speed. Now I don't know if we ever exported this system or the loop design but given the buffers and 24:18 (inherited early BR era wagon not fitted with air-brake loaded with minerals but side-door loaded) I'm just assuming they just used British assets as well for some reason

It's not signalling-related, but I would also like to point out the little crane at 18:12 : Alone on a little siding, outside of the fence line of the industry, and with nowhere to load to or from. It's so narrow, I don't think you could squeeze a truck in there next to the train or anything And a great Kenosha moment! I was trying to remember if the trains can derail in this game (they could in San Andreas), but that outcome makes a lot of sense. 😁

"Hey train, there's a crossing, ding ding! Did you know you're coming?" I choked on my water.

I remember driving around playing GTA5 looking all this stuff bewildered. The GTA5 train infrastructure layout is very much 10 year-old setting up first train layout vibes.

Fun fact for HYCE or anyone who doesn't know for that matter: there's about 10 or so 8 plank British wagons in the city hidden in some dark corner of the industry.

And there's more of those British wagons on the southern part of the map. There are different types of 4-wheel British wagon hidden in one of the goods yards. I reckon someone on the staff must have been somewhat of a British railway enthusiast. Not only are there a bunch of 4-wheel wagons, but there are also vehicles named Stanier and Gresley.

There are some just strange things I this game. It really makes me think this game went through either some development hell, the devs were on drugs, or just didn't care, because there's Stop Signs in strange places, road marking that don't line up at all, hell that dirt road in Blane County next to the tracks has railroad crossing signs in random places.

There is a mod that adds longer trains and users being able to drive them, and you can add your own custom liveries for the train so that cpuld give someone the idea to make a skin for the ES&D

i like how at 22:04 hyce did not see the ESN'D car in the dirt that they left just there

13:16 There isn't a mount ladder button, just seems to be a non working ladder. It should automatically make you start climbing.

16:13 I believe this is the style of sign that UP uses for permanent speed restriction. iirc the top number is passenger and the bottom is freight. So these trains are speeding by a lot

Honestly the British wagons are probably a minor easter egg. Also I agree about the point of GTA is just being ridiculous, but they really should at least fix the crossing cantilevers being in completely ludicrous spots.

Not gonna lie I would love to see more of this type of content playing GTA. It would be funny in my opinion.

“The f*** is this s*** rockstar” with the whistle censor cover had me rolling 💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣

Can you review the trains/railroading in Disney’s The Brave Engineer short (the one about Casey Jones)? As a casual viewer, it seemed like they had some idea of how things work, but I’d love your professional take on this wacky railroad adventure musical

Given how you reacted to the railway inaccuracies in GTA, I can only imagine what you'd think of Choo Choo Charles. (I've played Gta 5 many times as well, but the only railway inaccuracies I noticed myself were the crunchy curves and the bogies not turning with the track, which sort of ruined the immersion).

Looks like Rockstar needs to contract you, Hyce, to design the railroad signaling assets for GTA6 Also, you need a "What the HONK is this HONK doing here!?" shirt

I'd love to see a look at the Fallout 4 locomotive, it looks like something someone threw together in Gmod and has a lot of stuff wrong with it. The thing that tends to stick out is that it has no pistons, but it's likely intended to be a turbine locomotive, potentially a nuclear-powered one, but that does little to solve the rest of its issues.

You should do Red Dead Redemption 2

I didn't know Hyce had muscle car knowledge. Dude just gets cooler with every video I watch. Also the really spicy area at the end, you actually drive a train though that in the single player! The only instance in the game where you get to drive a train, and it goes through that mess!

Thank you SO much for this video and the laughs 😂 Been playing GTA V since the release and although I’m a novice rail fan; the amount of RR follies I’ve noticed over the years in the game have annoyed my fellow players in my group when I’m calling out inaccuracies. Glad I’m not alone. It is quite nice though to catch the train, stand in an open well car…drink a Pisswaser and randomly chuck explosives out at passing cars or fellow players😂

As an English person I had no idea that we were the only ones who had those eight plank open wagons. I thought they were a world wide thing.

I think that if we take many of things here at face value, it might suggest that there used to be commuter rail. It would explain the sign (the RR likely isn't going to update it if they don't have to), the various boxes also suggest the RR didn't bother pulling anything more than they had to. It doesn't explain everything (and the one platform doesn't really make sense where it is, although maybe it used to make more sense at some point in the past). Also, when you saw the E signs near the end of track, my first thought was E for End of track.

what the Hyce doin Edit: also loving the cross buck & red stop sign combo for the train at 7:58 and 8:11

Going to guess all the rail signals are probably named something like trainsignal1 trainsignal2 etc and I'll bet the rail signal cantilever is probably a similar naming to the crossing cantilever so when populating the line I'll bet the road crossing for the train is the coding guy clicking a line up or down from the line signals.

I love how they put a railroad crossing cantilever over the tracks like a signal light

The British wagons delight me every time.

Fun fact. If you jump on the train you can see that the wheels dont have the spinny roundy animation and they just stay still😛

Great video Hyce! Hopefully we get to see more shenanigans in the future!

At 14:17, that looks like a set of TPWS grids that we have here in the UK XD And those small British wagons at the end - just the cherry on top XD

I just burst out laughing the moment I saw the title

That sudden rush of anxiety when Kenosha starts playing in a GTAV video

9:15 "Civil engineers will have things to say about that." I DO. Edit: the longer I watch the more the signal arrangements remind me of what I have to do in Trainz to make the AI cooperate.

"Hey train, ding ding! Did you know you were coming?" I'm ded.

It's always a fun time, when Smells like Kenosha starts playing. Even when Hyce isn't driving a train, you know something's gonna go wrong lmao

If you go to the steel plant in the NE corner of the city, you will find British 7 plank coal cars.

I feel like in the map creation tools, they probably used some kind of brush tool that automatically places things from a pool of various assets at random distances along the ail. Probably did that for most of the rail and then just zoomed in and manually added some 'cool train stuff' around more etailed area like yards and stations and such.

I’d love more videos in this vein! Funnily enough, my local railroad sometimes runs with roughly equivalent headways, although at much lower speeds! My favorite bit of stupidity in GTA V is still the random early 20th century British open wagons scattered around the map.

I love your garage at the beginning of the video, thats totally my taste

It's funny, I was just talking to my wife last night about why movies like The Polar Express are banned in our house. It was her decision because I can't help but point out every inaccuracy every time we watch it. It's like a tick, I can never keep my nerdery to myself.

Thank you! I work for the railroad and have always noticed how terrible the railroad signals were😅😂

Rockstar North (developer of GTA V) is based in Scotland which may shed some light on why there are some weird British-like traits of the Los Santos railroad

"Look out for street car!" *GP30 INTENSIFIES*

There are more British wagons to be found in GTA for anyone that wants to seek them out. i'll include spoilers in read more. in LA mesa, at the metal foundry surrounded by the following roads. Aut Elysian Fwy, El Rancho Blvd, Labor Place, and Orchardville Ave. with access off Orchardville Ave.

The only place I have seen more unnecessary signals is a train museum!

As an artists who is in charge of putting "things in places you'd expect things," this is the type or real-world criticism I love to watch because it shows how to NOT fuck it up on the next go-around. It's not something some of my colleagues care to do themselves, and I wish it was more popular of a thing to do. Edit: 13:16, LMAO congrats on finding a ladder that doens't have a climb function attached to it too! The way ladders work is you just walk up to them and you auto-latch to it. This one is broken.

Hey Hyce me and a friend of mine have created a railroad on railroads online named B&M lines, with the solgan of " Breaking shit & making a Mess", with a subsidiary named A&S railway and it's solgan of "We're always full of it" we're hopes to building a connection to the ES&D.

There's a super scuffed abandoned railyard somewhere too, with about a dozen more british open waggons and flatbeds and a tank car that's permanently stuck in a shed since its too tall for the doorway which found very amusing. Pretty sure I saw a container flat loaded with rails somewhere too.

Now I'm not gona be able to unsee all the weird discrepencies on gta tracks

14:14 that loops like a TPWS grid (basically if a train goes past a red signal TPWS trips and activates an emergency brake application)

Awesome Video Hyce! I too always wondered why these signals were like this and too this day it still bugs me. The cantilevers also bug me. There should be a crossbuck on the mast above the lights and where the left crossbuck is should be lights.

24:15 Trucks are waiting in the yard, tackling them with easel. Show the world what I can do, gaily boasts the diesel. In and out he creeps about, like a big black weasel. When he pulls the wrong trucks out, POP GOES THE DIESEL! (insert troublesome trucks laughter)

24:17 British 8 Plank Jumpscare

In GTA V. Only a red tanker will explode. But only the one train that moves.

So far my strategy of watching this vid before watching your other explainer vid, with no previous knowledge of train signals or infrastructure, has been very entertaining

23:17 finally the switches that you wanted on railroads online!

My favorite cringe railroad crossing is actually on the Carentan map in Hell Let Loose. On the end of the platform at Train Station, there is a modern U.S. railroad crossing signal on the platform itself with no road nearby. Moreover, it faces the tracks as if to warn the train itself. The real kicker is that the battle of Carentan took place in 1944, meaning that not only did that signal not even exist yet, but also that Carentan is in France, so there would be no U.S. style signals anywhere. It's mind blowing how little people actually pay attention to details like this.

I knew it was a matter of time until you saw the British wagons. 😂 I couldn’t believe my eyes when I first saw them.

Of course you need two-head signals for your single-track main. One's for the left rail, one for the right.

The little five-planks with no handbraked about finished me off!

There is a death trap at the traffic signal crossing you were at where if you stay in the left turn lane lines through the X, you don't clear the RxR because the signals and guard rails are blocking your path. I used to see npc drivers follow it all the time only to get stuck unable to backup, then KaBLAM!! The train would hit them.

management: make it look railroady art dept: okay result: seems legit railfans, foamers, and enthusiats: NO!!!

a lot of the stuff in online has changed or was broken for one reason or antoher and they haven't noticed it, one of them is for some reason signals dont work anymore, but if you go into story mode they should actually work properly

I started a series a few weeks ago where I do this in 60 seconds, because honestly, this is my favorite thing to do when I get a game and find trains in it. Glad to see I'm not the only one.

Have you checked out the trains in Red Dead Redemption too? I think they did a better job in that game...I hope

I didn’t know I needed to see Lemmy Kilmister shooting a tank car until now

The grids at 14:30 look a bit like TPWS grids from the British railway network where you have 1 grid on the track where the signal is and another grid between 50 and 450 metres before the signal depending on line speed.

The GTA people asked the art department if they know what a train is and forgot to bring a train person to review this crap

8:49 HAHHAHAHAAHHA HE SCREAMED DUE TO A INCOMING TRAIN

I noticed the European tankers on the train but the American ones are in a siding

All we had to do was follow the damn train, Hyce!

I started modding GTA V a bit ago, specifically using the "Kitsune trains" and "Railroad Engineer" mods. It made things much better, ie the ability to operate the locomotives and pilot the subways, , classic trains, redone track layout, ect. One of the first things I ever saw in the game was the improperly placed crossing signal in the thumbnail. It was at that time seeing that signal that I decided I needed to learn how to fix Rockstar's mistakes, and also went from driving cars to driving trains any time I play.

That A sign I run by 4 times per every time I Ron the furka pass. It marks the start of a coqwheel section. The same sign with an E signals the End.

Also the tank cars all have the same number and the placards don't exist IRL.