Transformers 2007: It's All Downhill From Here 

I am shittng bricks

Great song though.

don't forget the abyss' theme, 'new divide'

Make a playlist please

I like the first 3 films

@Cristofer Andrade Even the 'Cons? Seriously?

@@evanboll4651 cons sounds like a derogatory term

@@evanboll4651 Professional Villains have standards

@@goose6112 It's been shorthand for "Decepticon" ever since G1, and it's no worse then the various terms they've used to describe the 'Bots.

@@goose6112 "Darn cons moving into this good neighborhood They're gonna bring down property prices!!"

Huh, honestly thought that was starscream

Yeah, the only movie where Decepticons were actually capable and terrifying, they just became punching bags afterwards...

​@@lukasweiss4462chicago doesn't exist huh

@@astrowolvezsince when Starscream is a helicopter

@@JoelleCasanof Hundreds of Decepticons with warships and air support eventually got their asses handed to them by 9 Autobots and small US Army detachments. Decepticon soldiers were more easily disposed of than goons in John Wick. In TF1 you had equal numbers on both sides giving each other a hard fight

Ikr😂

And bay somehow manages to not do it

The series has a lot of sweet ideas but somehow Bay manages to either fuck it up or not do it at all. He had the Dinobots on screen and they were window dressing in the fifth movie. That's just insulting.

Sounds like something I'd come up with in my head and that's no place to be

"sound like" Yes, but existence is only pain.

Nope. I refuse to believe the million year civil war that destroyed a planet didn't start over a lack of alcohol.

or in other words you need to put in the effort like turning grapes to wine

"Ahhh those were the good ol' day's, back on Cybertron, didn't have ta,...sneak around in these..,.ugly Earth disguise's!"

Wasn’t it because the autobots poisoned it so they could knock them out?

**hic** oOuUaH ThIs-a gOoD

I laughed so so hard when that bit appeared

He was so tired of the franchise even in the first movie 😂😂😂

In older Australian English fruit cake is a derogatory term for “gay” or the worse one “f-g” lol

Wanna timestamp it for the boys and girls?

@@xXDuckGamesXx It's the same in American English. What's your point.

well I think energon is made differently then in the cartoon since it's no longer just condensed energy I think the star harvester does something special to make the star an energon mine but that's just a theory a prime theroy

you would need tons on solar panel just to fill up 50 energon beers made by MEGATRON

@@mr.breadman4181 In the original cartoon, they can use any energy to make Energon. Nuclear power and fossil fuels like oil are shown, but the Autobots also use hydroelectric power in the 80's movie. The Star Harvester is a Bayverse thing.

It requires energy to fly to the sun and cover it in solar panels whilst also not melting

In the movie comics cybertron didn't have a sun unless I'm mistaken.

Oh yeah, when they hade to break out the AC130 and "bring the rain" just to leave a mark on the fucker, i was like "how tf are they gonna beat these things?"

@@michaellorah9051 Cut to the fourth film where transformers are taken down with assault rifles.

@@kaelkirkby9191 bruh... don’t remind me it hurts

I pretty sure at that point they probably had cybertronian tech to help out or something, but I agree they from hard to kill to easily dispatch by humans

@@kaelkirkby9191 Don't even need to cut to the 4th film for that; Blackout was killed by Lennox doing a cool slide with his gun out. Apparently nobody at SOCCENT thought to use their underslung grenade launcher in the first act.

That first transformation... I was hooked. The animation, the sound design, the camera work. I honestly think it's one of the best moments in cinema, and what comes directly after with the utter devastation and mercilessness of it all just kept adding to it. This movie has many scenes like it, but non of them can top the first one, the reveal. I'm getting chills again haha

Bro same.

The menacing dread the Decepticons had in the first movie is something many recent movies fail to do, making the villains actually threatening. The decision to make the Decepticons actually destructive instead of the dumbasses they were in G1 was the best they could’ve gone with in my opinion. The Blackout introduction really did this the best. Sucks that they were done absolutely terrible and made jokes in the following movies.

Dude if the rest of the Movie had that scene's vibe

@@Anton-qc1fk theres good reason that the story that Transformers Prime and Transformers War for Cybertron both tell are heavily based on Michael Bay's Transformers, and not IDW Comics or Armata. while Armada has the objective best version of Starscream and the most interesting dynamic between Megatron and Optimus, Bay has the most dynamic backstory in his version of the universe and the characters, barring bumblebee who is actually Rodimus/hotshot that allows it to be refined again and again.

Filippo Tommaso Marinetti? 😂

What…

it's awesome as fuck and I'm tired of being forced to say otherwise

@@rcpwProductions I am directly under the enemy scrotum. Such amazing dialogue and character building.

the dialogue is rubbish but the cgi scrotum looks awesome as hell

Imagine pairing him with someone who knows how to write like... Huh... Real life films don't have many of those. Maybe one of the wachowski sisters? But they're pretty good with action themselves and I'd argue they're one of the few who did CGI right in it's early days (referring to speed racer not matrix)

You don't need a director for plot and writing... That's the screenwriter's job. Give Michael Bay a well written screenplay and he will give us an action movie masterpiece.

The guy has reportedly a massive ego. He probably insisted on it. John Turturro went on record saying he based his portrayal of Simmons on how Bay behaved on set, which gives us a rough idea on what he's like.

@@Donnerbalken28 For real? That's amazing.

Ego

Revenge of the Fallen was meh but still had some cool concepts and great fight scenes ( ie Optimus Prime vs Megatron and his goons in the forest) and Dark of the Moon well I mean Optimus wrecking shit, that worm thing, and race cars with machine guns. Oh and that whole wing suit thing and sliding on the collapsing skyscraper.

Fr, this one felt like it had so much potential for an interesting story and sequels to follow, but... Well, just look at the sequels.

It doesn't hold up today. It exceeds many expectations.

It doesn't hold up.

100% dude, I don't know what these dumb dumbs replied to you but I think the CGI absolutely holds up. I have analysed CGI in movies for quite some time and this movie somehow just hits right, all the transformers feel like actual glistening objects in the shot. Of course some incredible on set magic and really understanding what to do in the shot to make the CGI merge together with the live action footage. Really great visuals and overall an awesome movie

@human3213 how does it feel to be objectively wrong

@@ischwhit6747 What? Buddy you're confusing. You were saying the CGI in Transformers 2007 holds up and I was agreeing with you and now you hit me with a "err you're wrong" like what do you want?

Lol, poor Chicago

Same and also that he shot that film in 3D, so he needed to slow down on his style wish resulted in some beautiful longer shots.

I’d probably be dead in that universe

Eh, for Chicago that’s a holiday.

Chicago: please film in our city Bay: boomtown

I mean pre war most autobots were civilians/scientists. Not sure about in bays version tho.

It was the same in G1 too, for the most part at least. Optimus Prime was surrounded by VW beetles, ambulances, and police cars while Megatron himself was a gun surrounded by fighter jets

It very much is.

These scenes still reignite the 9 year old in me. It’s just so over the top and ham fisted military hardware porn that I just can’t help but smile at it.

There's one huge inaccuracy shown about the A-10s, though: In the film, they actually hit their target lol

​@@cynicat74. Why? Are you saying a-10's miss their targets a lot in other movies?

@@FOAB-Carlos The main rotary cannon of the A-10 is extremely inaccurate, and often gives too wide of a berth when firing. The pilots don't have any proper sensors for detecting land foes, either, so they mostly have to look out of their cockpit, furthering hindering how accurate they can be.

I kinda like some of the new designs to be honest. And the blocky transformers look like go bots

And I mean, this inspired Jeff Kline to make one of my favorite shows of all time, Transformers Prime.

Yeah but I wish the decepticons looked more like there original designs at least a little bit there basically unrecognizable (except like shockwave but that's just because the kept his one eye)

I'm fine with the Autobots, Megatron, and Starscream, but the rest of the Decepticons are very similar and don't have personality to their looks.

Honestly I like how the Bumblebee movie handled it, streamlining bay designs and updating G1 designs to hit that sweet spot middle ground. My biggest complaint about the designs was that the overcomplexity probably limited cast size and lead to us seeing a lot of reused designs in the sequels.

Yeah but the 3rd one was better

@@222xani yep

It's OK to have shit taste

@@222xani Out of the three, the second one really underwhelms

1 and 3 are the only ones that exist to me

Jazz didn't have the most character, but Megatron just ripped him in half with barely any effort. It emphasized hard just how outgunned our heroes were and why Megatron returning was a nightmare scenario. That's how you do a villain.

And then they make him in transformers 5 BEG for his allies to be freed from jail From all thing they had done, wizards and this particular scene is the worst of all

@@3takoyakis not even as far as 5; Megatron gets bodied at the end of both 2 and 3 by Optimus basically having a perpetual psychotic breakdown. Optimus is now just putting in the effort to properly fight his ultimate nemesis that's probably slaughtered countless people?

Don’t forget transformers prime. That show probably had the best characterization for the decepticons.

I know, it somehow doesn't feel like a whore watching it like the other four. It has a beginning, middle and end, and ties everything up at the end with little bullshit. The soundtrack was beautiful, and the Arrival scene was amazing.

@@kira-dk2mx I mean the second one had a lot of cringy scenes and lines but still cool over the top action the forest fight when Optimus takes on 3 decepticons one 3 times his size yelling “I’ll take you all on” hype af. Transformers 3 the first part just dumb but goddamn the action at the end is peak Hollywood.

​@@kira-dk2mx liking just because of the "whore" part.

Fuck that g1 designs aren't as bad ass at least them made people actually want to drive the cars they turned into

We also gotta think about time periods. I don't think a mainstream (as in, people who aren't blatant Transformers fans) audience would be too invested in the G1-esque designs at that time period. That was still in the 2000s, and back then everything had to be cool. And I know people by the dozens who would have been ignorant enough to just not watch Transformers due to those designs. You really had to pull the wool over people's eyes to get them to do things. Bumblebee made it work thanks to better technology andnactually combining G1 designs with Bay designs to make a new, but still familiar aesthetic. On another note, Bumblebee itself mainly really works because Bay's Transformers "didn't work." This is a bit of a side rant, but while I understand people not liking Bayformers, I can't lie to people and say that those movies didn't do their job. The Bayverse did its job. And honestly, for a Transformers movie, I really don't expect much beyond cool fights and explosions and scenes like the forest battle of RotF and many scenes in Dark of the Moon deliver that kind of action. Though I am looking forwards to the new Transformers movies going on, with the loss of Michael Bay as director, a lot of the action probably isn't going to hit as hard. And while one can say, "We'll get better stories," if I'm being honest, this is Transformers, and despite having good stories in various TV shows and comics, I doubt a moving story is gonna happen when selling toys is the main motive. Bumblebee's story was okay, but it's in a situation where it's similar to movies like a Monster Truck or E.T. in regards to premise with not as much action for a payoff. It's not bad, but it's not great either. I do appreciate the designs, however.

The flames were due to the toy guys wanting a fire and ice theme with him and Megatron.

I think the flames were really cool too. It helped I saw the movie from a car enthusiasts point-of-view and loved the vehicles they used for the Autobots. Really got me to notice and appreciate tricked-out Semi's

I still hate bumblebees baby pacifier-looking mouth. I assume it's just so they don't have to animate his mouth going through different accents and tones, but it still looks dumb. Just give him a faceplate or something

this. i remember when my brother came to my room and told me he saw a trailer for a transformer movie. I was like, "are they going to look like megazords?" because i hadnt even imagined cgi could make real looking transformers yet. Then after i saw the movie, and researching the sheet amoount of work put into the models, it got me interested in 3d modeling.

Yeah that moment made me pursue my career in visual effects

When we went to the theater and I was around 12, I was already very much familiar with Transformers and their old designs (I was a huge fan of the OG, Beast Wars and Armada), so seeing Blackout just go complete fucking ape mode on the military literally stopped me from blinking for the duration of that whole sequence.

I haven’t seen effects like it since tbh...

And after

this dude wrote the gears of war trilogy music as well

On the surface level it sounds like your average Hollywood blockbuster generic action music, but there's a reason they brought back those amazing melodies in Rise of the Beasts, it's become iconic

Yep this is it, I like g1 but it's hard to watch sometimes

Grew up with both and I like both. First Bayformers is still a solid film as an adult, and while G1 isn’t always the best in retrospect, I love the characters and world that was created as well as some of the unintentionally funny/corny moments. There’s so much that could be done with this franchise and I wish that it received more love and better care.

I see what you did there

The G1 Transformers show is kind of messy at times but it's not that childish. I've watched more childish garbage than that, honestly.

Robot designs looked badass, fight scenes were awesome, and literally every villain (especially lockdown) had the most terrifying presence, might just be my opinion but if you prefer the “bumblebee” movie over that, your crazy

@@byohen1752 imo DOTM is better than bumblebee

@@kingslayerx1716 the entire bay movies is better then bumble bee imo

Mad max was really a perfect film, and stands out so starkly against almost every blockbuster film before and after in that respect.

@@byohen1752 how is the fallen terrifying, he doesn't fight anyone but ancient humans with sticks and some human jets before being slaughtered by optimus

Funny how the times change. I honestly find it shocking how people saw this schlocky garbage despite how compelling and great the plot and moments are

Vehicons weren’t “black SUVs,” they were purple Cadillac Ciels. You’re confusing them with the Dreads.

@@fduranthesee just looked them up and I realized I totally misremembered them lol, more like glossy black-purple

@@michaelsimpson1224 normal people go in dark purple and black sports cars know what ima sayin?

Yeah, Knockout and his obsession with having a shiny finish...but Megs in 'Prime'==yeah, not only did we have Frank Welker voicing him, but THIS Megs had virtually no weaknesses and could ramp up the threat without even raising his voice--as a veteran gladiator would be.

I wish Prime didn't run outta budget 😔

A sense of effort and talent backing up a 2007 blockbuster is a sight to behold. Even a Netflix action flick lacks such a charm that transformers despite being a mix bag of a franchise dumps so hard on movies that are coming now.. It's all a green screen mess of a shit. Thank God we have nolan, Scott, coppola for now.. Otherwise Hollywood is dead for sure

Underrated take

I also like to think of it as the decepticons intentionally favoring more inhuman monstrous faces, much like how many cultures would use shields/masks with faces molded into them

I remember, long before even the 2007 movie came out, discussions about how this movie will look. Some people were sceptic, saying that TF2007 is going to be a story about a boy, who gets a girlfriend, and it happens to have a fighting robots by the way. Who knew that story of Bayfromers could be even worse and more convulted with every entry.

I've had the same problem with some live action movies, I was watching sonic with my little brother and I was like why is it showing the human characters idgaf about them I'm here for sonic. Glad I'm not the only one who find this trope annoying

@@personwitharat9039 Really? I felt Sonic was clearly the Focus in that Film.

@@personwitharat9039 nah sonic was pretty important. At least more than the ones we’re talking about. Like sonic had an arc and did more than show up to fight. The entire opening of the movie was about Sonic having to leave his home.

Bumblebee wasn’t exactly better. Yea they got rid of the unnecessary stuff and had the G1 designs, but the movie is boring. Bumblebee does nothing and the plot is focused mainly on the girl and her boyfriend. It tried to have PG comedy moments that were so stale it felt like a 00’s Disney movie. Bumblebee is a complete pussy and does nothing but hide and goof around. The only time he does something is in the opening and the ending. I feel like people only consider it better because it has G1 Optimus Prime

I was looking for this comment, thank you. The original designs CAN be done well. And I don't buy the whole "lighting red is hard" BS. In "Bumblebee", wasn't one of the decepticons bright RED?

@@ChineduOpara 2007 compared to 2019 is a difference and you only see prime mostly at night

Yeah and the movie has been post pund to 2022 and now hasbro and paramount are fighting over rights for it

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD Actually, it was postponed to 2023

​@@ChineduOpara It's more of a problem with Michael Bay's style of color grading in 2007. It's very distinct and stylized, but it also exaggerates the color red _really_ hard, which looks great for small pops of colors like Megatron's red eyes for example, but anything big looks extremely garish and harsh. But starting with _Dark of the Moon_ the series took on a took on a less exaggerated color grade, hence why we suddenly got Leadfoot, Dino, and Sentinel Prime (all bright red) in that movie

I like bumblebee, it’s a fun ride

3 was pretty good too tbh

Bumblebee is not part of the Michael Bay continuity. It's a reboot

Michael bay didn't write bumble bee

michael bay didn't get the chance to make it a terrible film thats why

@@Okbuddypal no shit

I kinda get it from a a marketing perspective. Maybe should have started to share the looks around a bit. But you know most of the faces starting getting weird.

The Decepticons go out of their way to look evil and terrifying to lord over the "insects" and flex their power. But ultimately the explanation is: they're evil and so they look evil. And god damn I'm glad they do!

They had to distinguish the two as the vfx of these characters were difficult and complex , optimus red flames design was not very visible due to the external light, if they hadn't differentiated them , it would have been just two factions of aliens being blobs just ramming fists onto each other and the franchise closing with 1 movie

“Why does one look friendly and the other an abomination?” To me, the reason is Autobots fighting for what’s right while the Decepticons have “fallen from grace”, in a way.

the 2007 movie is unironically my favorite singular film of all time (my favorite film series is the Hobbit movies), its what got me into rock music and Transformers and helped shape my entire childhood personality

@@_Devil that's really sad

@@imeowmeowkat No it’s not

@@PoIarisPrime ok anime pfp

@@imeowmeowkat I’m not the one who has myself as a pfp

I hate to break it to you, but they killed off the old cast and replaced them with new bots in the 4th and 5th movies. And whoever survived just got a new redesign to sell their toys

@@FastforwardxD exactly

@@FastforwardxD one of many reasons why I hated 4 and 5 and like the og trilogy

@@FastforwardxD Petition to retcon Transformers 4 and 5.

@@blockocraft1920 yes, I comletely agree. They should've stuck with Evasion mode Optimus design and Black Bumblebee design for those movies and they should've just been about evading human hunters. Could've been a really suspenseful spinoff series

Didn't he literally mock his effects crew in one of his recent movies?

@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 ¿source?

@@ArcTrooperRod-269 You can look this up. "Michael Bay Ambulance VFX".

@@ArcTrooperRod-269 Search up "Michael Bay Ambulance VFX"

You fool you have cursed us all

Boobs? check Robots? check(?) Explosions? check Nonsensical plot nobody-cares-about? check

@@reco5able "A mans curse is a blessing for another one"

Or he somehow manage to get permission to cross it with the 'Brave' Super robot series

No please I don't want Hollywood discovering my gacha gems

DOTM*

The giant robot tendrils plowing through the skyscraper 😯

I did too

@@XZAVIER-DAA-GOD It's still the third transformers movie lol

For a second I legitimately thought your username was implying that you ran a channel entirely devoted to conspiracy theories than trans people made XD. I don’t know why it took me so long to make the *proper* connection to TRANSformers.

I loved these movies as a kid

Same i love and hate these movies haha I feel like transformers in general is neglected now of days in light of superheros and such, i hope transformers makes a come back i miss the days of transformers 07 and transformers prime, the excitement i got for each movie and episode , the cool toys, hell remember those cool transformers games the cybert4on ones even the movie ones were fun but cringe sometimes, man I hope this franchise goes through a huge revival

Bro I thought you were a channel about trans people for a sec lol

Despite the movies being bad, man the cgi for the transformer characters still holds up to day. Despite people hating the designs I love the alien cyborg aesthetic from 1-3 it’s is pretty unique compared to the humanoid characters we had in the other alterations of the franchise

Or just tank the hit from the lighting getting fricked by the red.

Maybe a darker shade of red would have worked too, but I don't know jack shit about lighting so maybe it doesn't work that way.

@@DISTurbedwaffle918 They had red robots later on so that excuse doesn't hold up

. that ironhide design in red would've been hideous. That truck in general would've been hideous in any color other than black.

I also argue it’s bullshit seeing as Dino exists.

Is it a childish premise? It seems like standard sci-fi fare to me

Ahhhh. A Fellow Cybertron series fan. Also, yeah. That was weird. But I still loved it

I didn't even know who Peter Cullen was when I saw Transformers 2007. Gary Chalk is my Optimus.

It happens all the time. Look at Batman Returns (I like that movie, but it's obvious Tim Burton went crazy), or look at Wonder Woman 1984...

it also doesn't help that by the 2nd movie there were writer's strikes so it made the script extra bad and by the 4th and 5th movies Bay didn't want to be a part of it at all but finally caved after enough pushing from the studio

That's exactly what happened, this is why Bay should never have full creative control over ANYTHING!

I mean, the first movie was definitely all three of those things. You could replace Megan fox with a blowup doll (no offense to Megan fox, she seems like a very nice woman who was typecast as "hot bimbo" for years which sucks) and it wouldn't change much of anything

@@socksleeve Let's face it, Meagan Fox was simply slotted into the story to encourage those Lads (and Lesbians with good taste) who either weren't TF fans, old enough to remember the originals, or simply sat firmly on the fence, into going to the cinema/buying the home media. "Meh, it's robots beating the shit out of each other... But it's got Fox dressed in skintight jeans and crop-top bent double under the hood of a car... OK, I'm in."

Well that explains what happened after the first. I felt the first did a better job at world building and going quite all crazy as the later ones would be

The only good thing about transformers after Spielberg left is the CGI. Like holy shit the graphics matches that of a modern movie.

Even the worst of the MCU is still a masterpiece compared to Michael Bay’s Robot fan fiction, fetish films.

i remember hiding in my blanket when bumblebee went into a junkyard of cars or smth

the ‘00s vibe is what keeps bringing me back to it, its definitely a neat little time capsule.

Ary you talking about the one from the 80, or the crap one

@@spacedude30001 you’re the client every show business producer dreams to have, and basically the base template to destroy half the internet debates I commend you

I agree

The movies are like that sure, but they are pale imitations of the absolute insanity that is the shows. G1 has unironically amazing writing. The characters are iconic, truly. Like Starscream is so untrustworthy that he made a deal with Satan and *betrayed Satan*. All the the "serious and cool" themes you could find in Bayformers were done in G1 years before and done better, way better. What makes G1 so perfect though is that aside from the actually amazing writing, it is still a complete mess of absurdity and silliness. Shit happens completely inexplicably, while also somehow making perfect sense. When you watch the show you stop going "why the fuck are they somehow talking to King Arthur" and instead start going "oh, shit. Another time travel episode? Cool". The character arcs are these insane but absolutely legendary materpieces. Megatron is such a defined and well represented character that you never doubt him. He can live up to any of his promises, he truly feels like the character we're told he is. When he becomes Galavatron, he somehow becomes a completely different character while remaining the same. He doubles his power at the cost of losing his mind. He's no longer a careful plotter, but now someone so deadly they can afford to simply fight at their whim. Same character, same motive, but a completely different personality. That dichotomy of actually well written story and absurdity makes the show glorious. For me, it's the concept of Transformers represented perfectly.

Yeah that was me too, I don’t care what anybody says, the original three transformer films were dope to my little self and I could 100% rewatch them and still enjoy them

LEFT CHEEK LEFT CHEEK

Nah I already give all 5 of 'em a chance. Transformers 1 & 2 is super great imo because I literally rewatched them 3 to 4 times. 3 is pretty OK-ish (the battle scenes are the only reason I watched the movie lol.) 4 & 5 are downright mehhhhhh...... (I watched them once & never rewatching them since then)

You're trippinn. DOTM is garbage. Who did they think they were fooling with the fake-out deaths?? Ofc they weren't going to kill off all the Autobots...

@@Utonian21 uhh me? I cried in the theater when they were about to kill bumble bee. Those films werent for you, they were young boys

@@barkley8285 “not for you” isn’t the best excuse for bad written. Its a valid concern but if you literally have to have no sense of retention and be more naive to not hate the movie, it’s probably not the best movie. Maybe an okay movie, but definitely not one with “good” plot. Tons of movies aimed at children have had amazing writing and plots for anyone (megamind; kung fu panda (like any of them); shrek; the incredibles (still better than the more “adult” fantastic four movies). Saying something is for kids or adults has no basis on whether its actually “well written”. If all kids movie wants to do is sell to kids then it can be successful doing just that, but if you can’t at least watch it from a perspective of someone slightly more intelligent (kids aren’t that stupid) then doesn’t have a “good plot”.

@@Utonian21 obviously they weren’t going to kill them all, but the space shuttle explosion shows us what happens when the Autobots aren’t there to protect humans: Chicago gets fuckin nuked by Decepticons and all the humans get murdered. This addresses the point that comes up quite a bit in these movies “do we still need the Autobots on earth?” and the answer is yes. Too bad the government is too dumb to understand that in AOE and TLK

@@Devo57 Exactly, the Autobots had already saved the world twice at that point, but yet they're still getting treated like the bad guys while the government trusts and makes a deal with the actual bad guys, leading to what happens to Chicago... It just pisses me off because it was almost completely avoidable. There's so much unnecessary death in the Bay films, the total death toll is in the 10s of thousands by the final film. I get it, if earth got caught in the middle of a war between giant alien robots, some mofos getting bodied would be an unfortunate reality. But like I said, so much of the death in those movies was avoidable

What's not to get

Definitely a guilty pleasure for me.

Agree

I just feel like the whole human mistrusting Autobot situation is just so dumb, and they actually sent out their only line of defense against the Decepticons. Like how stupid can you get? Also Optimus straight up commits War Crimes and everyone's ok.

Yes yes i just can understand what is it about that movie i like much

Agreed

I think it would’ve been a perfect place to end the trilogy, and what followed should’ve been a full reboot instead of the dumpster fires that were AOE and TLK

Truly.

👍

It’s the best in general

Ah Energon, just like my first intimate partner: Fun at the time and kind of nostalgic, but abhorrently cringe and embarrassing in hindsight

Energon had the potential to be awesome but the execution was abysmal. I still rewatch it from time to time though because it was the first Transformers series I saw.

@@flacsa636 You should rewatch it with the Japanese dub. It actually improves the quality somehow, and Kicker has more character. Energon makes more sense when you watch it through the lense of anime expectations.

Wow that's quite literally my exact situation. I was 7 when the first one came out, big fan of the original trilogy. I agree that the first act of the 4th one was awesome, but after optimus gets his new truck mode it all started going downhill. The 5th one left me feeling empty on the inside

I can not imagine bothering to see 5 after 4. I did a marathon when I was sick this year, starting with Bumblebee, then rewatching the Sam trilogy and while Bumblebee was definitely a solid film, and I found some new appreciation for Dark of the Moon, I wish I stopped there. Age of Extinction was such a dull, dragged out clusterfuck that I actually wish I had never seen or at least stopped halfway in. I think that's the only movie I felt this way about and I'm pretty sure it wasn't because of covid. It's amazing that the next one could be somehow worse.

It was awkward seeing transformer movie and cartoon The cartoon is blocky Maybe it's more easily identified for each characters but I still prefer Michael bay model

@@3takoyakis You are not wrong in how they where very Blocky back then, but that was because the Toys were almost always just a Blocky, if not worse. In order for Kids to be able to pick out the Figure in the Store they had to keep that same look in the Show and Movie. I have two big issues with the Bay versions. 1. He insisted they all looked like they could Transform into each form. To me this made it hard to make each one Stand Out in Robot Mode because almost all of them just turned into the same looking Robot, leaving primarily each ones Point Job being how you could pick each one out. Speaking of Pain Job 2. Almost every Decepticon was just a Grey Blob of a Robot, making it almost impossible to tell who was who. I know both of these issues were somewhat corrected later, but in order to keep things consistent they could never stray to far off from these two issues. Heck in the latest Movie Optimus Primal has this issue as he is just a Solid Black with maybe some Grey.

@@nobalkain624 Yeah i could say i barely able to differentiate each transformers lol. They rarely introduce each one of em too. Thats why i say the cartoon and reboot ver transformers could be identified better Im just happy that bay made his adaptation. His story and lore maybe shitty asf but the transformers are hella cool.

@@3takoyakis Yeah I am still very happy he made them. If it had not been for the success of the Movies they might have just been left in the Dustbin of Forgotten IPs.

WHAAAAAT IIIIIV'E

@@d.b.4671 DOOOOOOOOOOOONEEEE

I also really like the red flames on Optimus

After the munky, flaming hot trukk was no big deal. It bugged me more that he wasn't a cab-over-engine design... which also wasn't a big deal, because how often do you see those on American roads anymore? (For those without regular access to American roads, they're pretty rare.)

@@boobah5643 Heck I first grew up with Optimus being a fire engine in the Robots in Disguise anime and again in the Cybertron anime later on, and in between both of those he alternated to a beefy sci-fi semi-truck in Armada and Energon. So I’m perfectly fine with Optimus being whatever variation of the two so long as he still looks right. Same goes for Megatron who has been in way more alternate forms (my personal preference being a tank). Problem is both of their actual character models (and their writing) has been dreadful.

The flames are really cool, but if I had a reason to not like them, it’s because it doesn’t fit Prime’s personality

For me its pacific rim, which I think is a masterpiece in the same vein

i think it was realistic you can't put a decepticon like that behind bars he is gonna escape and kill more people in the end.

Except Sentinel was LITERALLY JUST ABOUT TO KILL HIM. AND MEGATRON JUST GENOCIDED CHICAGO! They both deserved to die. FUCK OFF with this bullshit interpretation

@@ramjet94 "Thats what you get for trying to save your planet bitch, eat my lead boy" Optimus was a monster and a blaggard.

I don't remember his characterisation ever being quite so opposed to that in the bay movies. I think his nobility stopped at humanity.

@@TemplarWarden He came across as a complete psychopath in the later movies. Can you imagine seeing someone ripping another mans spine out with his bare hands, then having a civil conversation with you after? I'd think he was a fucking nutter on drugs or something.

decepticons having militaristic alt-modes makes sense though. Of course they'd pick the vehicles with heavy weaponry where the autobots are content with disguising as normal cars. That being said they probably would've done more non military modes if they didn't use such a small cast

Plus the decepticons were mostly warriors, so it would be understandable that the alt-modes are military vehicles.

@@aweirdredtoad3637 Autobots are Police, Deceptions are Soldiers

@@chinsaw2727 There are Autobot police, but the majority aren't police. Which is why most of them aren't particularly warriors, and just a rag tag crew of different hobbies.

I totally agree. Each movie had some awesome new characters and interesting settings. I love the SR-71 autobot a lot from revenge of the fallen.

Their comedy is golden when you come back to them when you’re grown up

@@thatoneguy3590 No, what are you 12?

@@thatoneguy3590 Definitely, at least once you finally understood the jokes.

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Well yeah it was dumb fun my family says it's best but they're causel fans and don't know better and the forst battle and optimus getting a jetpack are the best parts of the movie

As a MLP fan, I would *love* to see Cody shit talk one of my favorite franchises.

Please, don't. The Internet already had enough with a schiess meme spread by diet Nazis from the QuatreChan.

@@harveybeaver9731 Now THAT'S some edge. You sure you're not from /mlp/?

@@harveybeaver9731 You weren't even remotely in the ballpark of how to spell 'scheiße' right.

@@Calvin_Coolage No keyboard, no care.

I was 'older' when the toons came out (arrested development, what can I say) BUT I wasn't the only one. My buds and I saw TF2007 and were suitably impressed. It hit enough of the right notes to wow us (Peter Cullin's opening narration; that fight with Skorpenock in the desert; The 'Autobots Arrival' with the Steve Jablonsky score--and of course those smooth 'transformations' that made me think "Wow, now we really CAN make a Macross Movie!"). Sadly the ones to follow more 'splosions and less coherent story line, though Dark of the Moon HAD it's moments, too.

@@nickmitsialis Spot on. Though I didn't know it at the time but the voice acting and the score in the first film was amazing. As for the transformations ... I actually believe the first film has the best looking designs and the most realistic looking transformations... especially the first transformation as well as Prime's first transformation.

And it's really not that far fetched many Transformers in the past has some crazy abilities like turn invisible, mass shifting which allows certain Transformers to transform in extremely impossible sizes and transform into a different looking transformer so changing colors is really not that hard for them to do

couldn't agree more.

Armada,Energon and Cybertron were my jams. Minicons, Energons, ForceChips/CyberKeys are the mcguffins

@@WingMaster562 bro I still remember when Starscream got his minicon. Turned him into an area-denial weapon XD

@@MrJakeros And Swindle (that same minicon) mourned for him Also remember that every minicon liked Starscream? He even shower-healed together with the StarSaber minicons

@@WingMaster562 Starscream in Armada was chill, man.