TRESPASS or ACCEPTABLE Foot Crossing Use? LOCO WORKINGS at Water Orton with D1015 & 69009 24/06/24 

Hello, Speaking as a former Train Driver I find the utter crass stupidity of those numb-nuts on the foot crossing totally unacceptable. The footage needs to be urgently passed on to the BTP before one of them gets killed and a Driver gets traumatised. They need to be made to understand that they DO NOT pratt about on or near the railway lines! 😡

That behaviour can spoil it for everyone else. Camera+tripod just inside the fence line is one thing. People should be off the Permanent Way and behind the fence when trains pass.

It’s a public right-of-way, so as long as they stay on it it’s not trespassing. But it’s still a safety hazard

What on earth are those clowns doing. They are putting themselves and passengers in danger not to mention train crew. They are giving trainspotting a bad name. Keep off the permanent way!!!

foot crossing is ok aslong as they arnt on the track itself when trains are passing

OK, anyone who follows my channel will know im a regular at all Water Orton locations and also am ex BR with track awareness. I was also there myself for an hour filming while awaiting the LE's but you dont see me in your video because i dont wander around on the crossing but remain in a place of safety. When I arrived, these two 'photographers' where on the fast line footbridge. They came over to me and were indeed wandering around as seen in video which was indeed unecessary. Please note, although i was there (check out my last upload) you never saw THREE people trackside. I never cause drivers any concern and we always have a friendly wave and/or a toot. Im placing this fact on record as i dont wish to be associated with this behaviour. It might be of some irony to note that the one in white hat is a retired former DB driver and both were on a day visit from the North and thankfully not regulars in this area. Water Orton is naturally a popular location for many of us and long may it be so for those of us who don't look for bad publicity or to cause concern to drivers. Some who are known personally are quite happy to see us enjoying our interest.... hopefully they appreciate we are not all as irresponsible. Regards, Brian.👍

Darwin award candidates!

Excellent video as always 👍

Looking at this footage, you can understand why Network rail are trying to get rid of this sort of crossing, and level road crossings

4:48 I caught these two locos at stoke works junction

brilliant video mate! that guy or whatever they want to be called is 100 percent tresspassing and the police should give them a visit.

Foot crossings are just that for crossing the line on a public right of way. They are not for hanging around on. Any filming should be confind to the public side of the fence. This behaviour could result in the closure of the crossing causing inconvenience to those with a legitimate reason to use the footpath

Definately trespass/misuse of foot crossing. Nice shot of loco move to Kiddy. Water Orton is still a great place for freight. I wish Network Rail would stop vegetation growing out of masonary. Nice O.B. As time allows will be watching it and others in full on my big screen T.V:

I occasionally train spot on a level crossing in Sutton Park but you always stay a safe distance away like @SYKAROST.

hi, another case of the general public thinking they can do what they like on the railway, these sort of people will spoil it for others when the railway authorities get tough

30 years + in the railway industry as a front line worker tells me these 2 are definitely 💯% trespassers - i'd even go further and say they could be flagged as potential suicide risks. They should have been flagged to either Network Rail or the local British Transport Police

Trespass. In an age where people are getting more stupid, this is becoming more of a problem. Makes me really angry, they have no thoughts whatsoever for the drivers or the people that clean up after such unfortunate accidents.

People like that give people with a true interest in the railway a bad name. They need reporting.

Do you have any information on who those people are?

Idiotic behaviour. Perhaps you should send the footage to the BTP? On a more positive note, the 69 & 52 make a great pairing, cast number plates and all.

I have to ask, how do you know where each train is going?? Especially the freight tubs

Was that Class 70 hauling 4-wheeled wagons?

So dangerous😮

What’s worrying is that some stupids think using a foot crossing is trespassing .

I don’t think it’s strictly trespass as it’s part of a public right of way however it is dangerous behaviour given the proximity to the line and the continuous walking out onto the line etc so misuse for sure

the fact they kept walking back and forth across the active lines is not good, we used to have foot crossings near portobello junction (Wolverhampton) and it was where me and my mate used to spot trains, we used to sit on the fence and not move back and forth you think adults would know better then I did aged 12

I would sincerely hope that someone has used GSM-R to warn signallers and maybe get them some attention , seriously that is unfair to working crews and the travelling public.🤬🤬

Nope. Thats just trespass.

If you stood in the bit between to tracks and two HSTs where passing you between you would you survive

This is worrying and stupid behaviour. I have no problem with people who have such hobbies but safety must come first. Stay off the permanent way and stay safe, with such a great zoom and camera they have there is no need to put themselves in such danger or encourage others to do the same. It is these actions that will get these crossings closed for use. Drivers have to report these incidents to the signaller so it will get noted and logged. There is a reason people have to have personal track safety and wear high vis... people get misted.

They are inside the boundary fence and what is on known as “on or near the lone” - I’d hazard a guess as not for the purpose of work etc so that’s trespass. This is the problem with some elements of the community where they believe they can go wherever they want whenever they want with a disregard for their safety and then moan about it when they get told off or injured etc. just don’t do it in the first place

In my opinion, it is fine but it should be done so you are away from the permanent way when a train passes, like stand and record by all means but stand back a bit from the track (to a safe distance for the speed of the train) when you do. I would count what they are doing here as dangerous trespassing though

If your going to get a shot from the crossing stand in a area of safety which is well away from the track, dangerous behaviour seen in this video where the man in the black T shirt is standing in the middle of the crossing most likely checking RealTime Trains.

It’s a crossing for pedestrians, if it wasn’t safe presumably it wouldn’t be there, looking at the vid their appears to be good sighting distance in both directions. Perfectly safe if used properly.

They must've misheard the term "foot crossing" as "stand there like a couple of idiots crossing." Easy mistake.

Rough area around there

Da fuq were they doing? Taking fuxing selfies? "And here I am on a foot crossing somewhere on the outskirts of Birmingham." That'll bring in millions of views on Tick Tock * spell check always changes 'selfies' to 'selfish'. I find that rather amusing

I am leaning towards Trespass, but what if they had high vis clothing and raised an arm to acknowledge the driver? Would that be classed as acceptable? Be gentle I have just taken up steam train spotting in my retirement.

Definitely trespassing looks like no gates or signs to walk across hope you sent this to btp

How many times did your video show them filming one train on the far line with their back to traffic that could have been approaching on the near line? With the sound of the passing train would they have heard a warning? There's a reason why the gate line at these crossings denotes what is and isn't the place of safety. I'd like to think drivers were reporting the presence inside the railway boundary as their train passed to the signaller. Text 61016 from yourself would be an option for future reference - 'if something doesn't look right - SiSiSo'd.

Great Video Lots Off Great Workings There Also People Need To Stop Trespassing On The Railways There Known As Idiots

Numskulls giving the rest of us a bad name.

certainly gives spotters a bad name

They were trespassing!!! No excuses whatsoever!

Trespass. I use foot crossings for photos myself but I don't stand on the blasted permanent way.

1:55 why can’t that man just get off the track and stop walking back and forth around the track he’s gonna get himself killed if he doesn’t get off

Definitely looking for a Darwin award! Looks like a footpath crossing so not trespass but if you were one of the drivers it's impossible to stop even if you wanted. You have your heart in your mouth and and probably look away to one side just in case the worst happens. They are probably spotters and so know the ropes but you blow for them and can only hope! Better education around railways maybe but all youngsters need to be aware of the dangers as in the case of an accident with several hundred tons of train they are the ones who will come off worst.

No, not acceptable loitering on the foot crossing like that, they need to stand well back from the rails and do their filming and stay there between workings.

Absolutely stupid people who don't listen to go near a railway line especially if it a busy line from both directions for frieght and passengers train as well keep up the amazing work

He looks old enough to know better

They should go and stand on Water Orton Station 🙄 it's free ... crossings are not for train spotting! They are crossings end of.

Very stupid risking life to get close ups of Motive power ,Just stupid,Amazing motive power ,But as for the idiots trespassing ,This could lead to tragedy as for those drivers trying to do their job and end up hitting someone or killed themselves doesn't bare thinking about .

It a foot crossing I Think

Whilst this is obviously a public foot crossing, it doesn't give anyone the right to stand I the middle of the railway line! Unacceptable actions in my opinion!

It's utterly stupid. Common sense isn't very common these days unfortunately. When will people realise that railways aren't a playground 🤬

That a foot crossing I live near by the area

So tired of Health and Safety snowflakes trying to make the world 100% risk-free. In Europe many stations have pedestrian access across the tracks that would make UK Jobsworths' hair stand on end.

What a pair of prats

Not very sensible but it is presumably a public footpath. Are there any specific laws relating footpaths over railways? If Railtrack see it as a problem they should put in a bridge. Having said that railtrack have put in metal gates and platforms on one crossing that I use (earlswood lakes) where it used to just be boards to stop you tripping on the rails and there is no apparent gain. It has been done with modular 'scaffolding' and could maybe be extended to a bridge structure but for now is money wasted. If there were wheelchair access it would make sense but your have to climb up the embankment so there isn't.

They aren't crossing. Naughty boys

Whilst I get it, why was it acceptable years ago with tens of them in the same position, now it’s very frownd upon? People are more stupid or are we believed to be in the wrong?

Yeah footcrossings are NOT the same as platforms or bridges. Not an acceptable place to spectate trains from.

Far too close to the track

If they are using the foot crossing to actually cross, and there is a public right of way, they are within the law. But just standing on the crossing like that, I think BTP could make a case for trespass. As others have said, clowns like these get the hobby a bad name.