@@davimag2071 Right! I found out about tricot through this video and when I decided to check out the original recordings, I felt like they weren't as good as the versions here. I was so happy when I saw they released these versions in their own album.
For anyone who wants to dig into how truly mine boggling the time signature and tempo changes in the song 18 19 at 5:00 is, here’s my attempt at explaining it below. The song starts in 9/8 (mostly). But the way they feel the 9/8 makes it sound like it’s a measure of 4/4 with an extra eight note stuck onto the end. Basically a time signature of 4 and a half over 4. So the first measure when the drums count off is 4 eighth notes in 4 and a half/4 starting on the and of 3. Then the intro is 8 measures in 4 1/2 (or 9/8), except the 2nd measure is just 4/4 and the 7th measure is in 5/4. Then the woo hoo bit is all 4 1/2 (9/8) except the last measure where the drummer does the three stick hits at the end, which I think is supposed to be 12/8, but if so then the drummer might have got off by a hair, but it’s barely noticeable since he’s counting off the next measure (or he’s doing 6 beats plus a half beat at the end to reference the 4 1/2 motif, but idk). Then during the verse it’s 4 1/2 which you can really hear since the bass player plays 4 quarter notes and then an eighth note for each measure. The measure before the chorus is in 5/4, then the first 3 measures of the chorus are also 5/4, but the 4th measure is in 4 1/2 (9/8) again. Next 4 measures are in 5/4. Back to the verse in 4 1/2 again. First 3 measures are in that, then the 4th measure is whack but I think it’s in 11/8, then the next measure is back in 4 1/2, then the one after that is in 11/8, then the next one is 5/4, and then the last one in this section is in 7/4. They switch to a slower 9/8 for the mellow section, except every other measure they do this weird thing that I’m not even sure how to write as a time signature, but it’s referencing the 4 1/2 feeling from earlier by adding a half beat to the end of the measure. So the section alternates between a measure of 9/8 and a measure of like 9 and a half/8. Then the last bit of this section is either a measure of 5/4 in the same tempo followed by a slower measure of 4/4, or that bit I’m hearing as 4/4 is actually syncopated with the same tempo but I have no idea how to count it. Either way, it leads back to the 4 1/2 (or 9/8) verse again. They do 3 measures of 4 1/2 then one measure of 5/4, then 4 more measures of 4 1/2. It switches to 2 measures of 7/8 in a different tempo, followed by 2 measures of 4 1/2 in the original tempo, followed by 2 measures of 7/8 in the other tempo, then 1 measure of 4 1/2, then it switches to 5/4 for 5 measures in that epic lead up to the final chorus. They do the 8 measure chorus. It’s all in 5/4 except for the 4th measure, which is in 4 1/2, and the 8th measure, which is also in 4 1/2. The outro where she’s going “18!19!” goes insane. 1 measure of 9/8, one of 11/8, one of 9/8 and then one of 11/8. Then the whoa oh oh part stays in 11/8 for 3 measures and the measure after that is 13/8. Then it settles into a 6/8 groove for a bit before ending in 5/4. I cannot begin to fathom how someone even conceives of writing a song like this.
Fucking stunning!! Beautifully filmed presentation of a brilliant band. I'm 78 years old, been a musician and avid music listener my entire life. These women (and brilliant drummer) absolutely blow me away. Yes please!!!
@@bruceerogan3662 If you know the time signature, you can figure out a "groove" to feel that really helps you keep time. You don't even necessarily (and sometimes shouldn't) feel the time as it's written (feel six beats per measure in 6/8, for example), but instead feel the "phrasing" and common beats/subdivisions between time signatures. With some songs (Tricot's *Ochensansu-su* especially), I had to read a transcription while I listened to figure out how to "groove" to it. Let's take the first few bars of Ochensansu-su, for example: Ignore the first measure of 4/4. The first section of the song switches between 9/8 (they play the chords on beats 1, 3, and 7) and 6/4. In other words, feel the 9/8 instead as 3/4, subdivided in threes. That way, it should feel like one measure of 3 beats, followed by one measure of 6. That sort of simplifies things and makes it easier to bob your head to or whatever. Once you have a feel for the flow of the song, it'll be easier to count the time as it's written (9/8 as 9/8 instead of 3/4). I like counting/moving to the 7/4 section following the 9/8 with 6/4 section and recommend you try working that one out. Hope this helped!
@@bruceerogan3662 they know when to count to whatever they need to, and feel it the way they need to to make it make sense rhythmically. try breaking it all up
@@erebus3059 It most certainly can have tempo changes, but changing time signatures and irregular rythym in general is more so what people associate with math rock.
Beyond stereotypes, I just hear talented people, mostly women. Sounds much better than a lot of music around the world, not because of the genere they are playing, but musically speaking.
I once read a book about russian immigrants and in the chapter on the stereotype of them being good in math the writer wrote "well you see math is awesome and we love it"
Wow. I'm floored by the intricacy and unpredictability of their music. Love the tension between the sweet vocal melodies and the dissonance created by the weaving guitar leads. The way the rhythm section holds it all together is as mind boggling as it is breathtaking. The bassist has incredible technique and tone and the drummer appears to be moving in two different time zones. Awesome performance!
every single member of this band is absolutely incredible. i'm a huge motifour fan, but hiromi's timing with the drumbeat during 18,19 is absolutely impeccable. this band is legendary
Distinct, sharp Japanese sound with complex chords and purposeful use of dissonance and irregular time signatures in select places; uncommon in many American bands influenced by simpler punk rock structures. Really refreshing tone and overall experience coming from the US perspective.
I really like how they take math rock and give it a very distinct japanese touch. The melodies, harmonies and song structures are especially different from western mathrock.
Vergin4Life Interesting. Would your musical excellency please enlighten us as to which bar chords are being used and why they don’t “musically work together well”? And since you don’t like tricot, what other Japanese math rock band would you suggest we listen to?
Strumming is easier to sing to because you’re usually just strumming following through without actually doing solo stuffs . Regardless it is still hard, especially when you’re listening to different time signature .
@@lucasdelima6147 more easily than someone trying to cover their tunes yeah. It’s still incredible that everyone can play these songs together in sync and as precise as they are. I think that’s in no small part to their drummer but still. These songs are demanding as hell and take some ingenuity to write
If you guys like Tricot you might also like Polkadot Stingray and Pulmolight for more Japanese mathrock. Pulmolight is like tricot's poppy side maximized while Polkadot Stingray ramps up the funkiness.
Neither Polkadot Stingray nor Pulmolight are mathrock bands in the slightest, they are just typical post-2000 J-GIRLS POP ROCK bands. Disbanded but Uchu Convini would be an example of a math rock (that meets J-Pop.)
You literally said "Polkadot Stingray and Pulmolight for more Japanese mathrock," and I replied just because they will disappoint those after math rock bands from Japan.
every time i see the part where they go all out and throw their headphones off at the end it brings me to tears, they're having so much fun and its the most beautiful thing ever
Why are Japanese musicians so incredibly good? So many greats have come from Japan. From the boredoms, to té. It must be something in the water over there.
Andrew Kozlowski , I believe after the war, japanese goverment made music exams mandatory (correct me if im wrong, but its something along those lines), so I believe its safe to say that the majority of people in Japan own some sort of musical instrument at their homes. Of course we cant ignore the fact that the americans also influenced Japan in the 1950s when they introduced jazz,rnb to them.
Javier Duarte do you know what the last song they played was where they went balls to the wall? i showed up a lil late and was hitting my cartridge so right when it hit they ended their set with that fucking crazy experience and i’ve been trying to find the song
I still come back to this from time to time. I saw them on this tour in Portland and, being my favorite band, it's hard not to get worked up with the positive energy and incredible performance tricot brought and I'm glad it's been immortalized with their session here. Thanks for letting me relive this tour/show whenever I like!
i love how you dont need to know a word of japanese to hear the conviction and emotion and power and beauty in her voice, and the energy and enthusiasm and joy in all of them playing. i love tricot
The Japanese have their shit together, jesus christ this is a good band. Edit: 7 months later and I'm still smiling like an idiot while listening to this
I've never really sat down and actually listened to math rock, but I just came across this by chance and tbh... it kinda slaps. Now I'm gonna delve deeper.
A few months ago i found this video on my recommended, and tricot is now one of my favorite bands ever. Thank you RU-vid and audiotree for introducing me to tricot and the math rock genre.
I always come back to this and I love the end of Melon Soda where they're feelin themselves and just shake off their headphones. Really shows how much they love performing their music :)
This video was he first time I heard tricot some months ago and I haven't stop since. They're so good and talented! I really hope I could see them live some time soon
I literally just discovered this band a few minutes ago...what a gap in my knowledge! This band is incredible!!! And it doesn't hurt to have George Harrison sitting over your heart! ;) I love when you have musicians so tight together that they can sound incredible and exciting with a very clean sound. The perfect combination of jazz and prog rock. I only wish tricot had been around when I was in high school back in the late 80s, we needed this kind of sound in music back then and I would have been the biggest fan.
Both Audiotree versions of 18,19 and Ochansensu-su are imo the best performances of these songs you can find on RU-vid - LOVE IT!! And once again: absolutely fantastic soundmix and camera work.
this is the best representation of Tricot's talent I have found. Great performances and great set up and production. Sounds great. They are really good. thanks to Audiotree for making this happen.
Saw them live last week and OH BOY THEY KICK ASS. It's amazing how tight they sound, and how nicely they pull off song after song. Their last LP, 3, is absolutely amazing. Although some people say that it's just a gimmick that they're Japanese and girls (😑), what actually makes them stand out from other math rock bands is they amazing hability to craft beautiful and catchy pop melodies, and also that they are fun. Not that their personalities are fun, but that their music and structures are playful, always interacting with the audience's expectation.
i thought thats the different between tricot and other math rock band. They are still technical while sounding pop. Others feel like as if they are technical just for the sake of being technical rather than musical. I love Giraffe, Giraffe, TTNG, Mylet,Toe, Chon, Covet but Tricot is just better than most of them hands down.
as in not pop, pop but there is that pop sensibility which is weird cause they use tons of 7th/9th voicing. Its scary though how Ikyyu can play what she plays while singing.
best find on audiotree since I've subbed. thank you thank you thank you. I found one of my fav bands ever. (after a week or so binge of all the Tricot music I could find)
Music is universal, listening from these guys makes you think how does it being japaes, or Singaporean or malaysian. Refreshing sound, coming fron the Philippines
He says like "One of a few Japanese bands that enjoys international success and recognition without a bias from the medias. One of the proofs is they showed up in Audio Tree".
