It’s funny how the adage with hunting optics used to be spend as much (or more, or double) on your optics as you do on your rifle, but when discussing a red dot for duty use we’re hesitant to spend the equivalent on a red dot.
That’s true! 😅 But in all fairness, there were many hunting optic complainers, too. That’s how we ended up with companies like Vortex seeing a lot of success.
I have the new HD, been running for about a month now on my g5 19. After using this I will never run any of my Glocks without it. Great vid, very detailed. Thanks
For my carry gun this hits all the points I didn’t like of the type 2. Dudes complaining about an expensive optic are the same dudes with 5 of the same guns with no attachments.
Veteran here, I stumbled across your channel recently and decided to get my life together and reconnect with what allowed me to live in peace. A simple hobby: shooting. I just purchased a Sig Sauer p365 xmacro for EDC, and a Staccato XC for competitive shooting.. Now I’m about to get the Staccato C for EDC and transfer my sig to the wife for EDC. Thank you for your videos.. I have hope to feel accomplished again!
Man I LOVE how in depth you get and how much you cover about a project. Makes me want to read one of your books just to see how deep your mind can get. Thanks for a great review. As always.
Which kind are you getting, you should look at Brass Facts video on body armor, ideally you should look into concealable soft armor vests and when shit gets really spicy overt not steel rifle rated plates
The RMR HD is very nice. Good materials, good build, good machining and functions. But its WAY too overpriced. I already thought my Trijicon RMR Type 2 was expensive, but the RMR HD is even more expensive than some pistols and rifles. Oh yeah, I love the DPM recoil reduction kits. I have them in all of my pistols
The forward looking auto brightness sensor is a major advancement. Autoadjust on my EPS carry isn't really that useful. Hopefully Trijicon comes out with a "CC" version of this eventually.
I have an eye disease called macular degeneration for which a dot, especially a circle dot is a great help when shooting. Just wanted to comment that for some the circle dot or chevron type sight is very helpful. Thanks for the work you do on your videos. It is appreciated.
I too have a damaged left retina (from severe detachment) and one reason I was thinking about getting this particular sight, I’m normally an iron sight guy but did you find it a big help to have the red dot? I feel like this sight from Trijicon will be super useful but I’m worried about expecting too much? Thanks
My "guess" the SRO breaks, when there is a rapid pressure change like when flying or changing their environment very quickly (like using them outside in winter and bringing them in near the fireplace). Better sealing etc.
That is very possible 👍 Other than that, it seems the glass falls out at 30k-40k rounds. Not too shabby for the SRO 🤷♂️ We’ll have to see if the HD holds up as well as the OG RMR.
I believe the reason for the SRO randomly breaking has a lot to do with the tempering and heat process for the glass. Most likely they are not following a constant method/process.
It’s certainly possible. It would definitely explain the inconsistency of breakages. Some can survive 20 drops and other can’t survive just 1. Some break at 3k rounds, others will go 10k+
From 0 to 30ft there is no advantage having a red dot. Add to the fact your presentation must he perfect or you will be hunting for it. Also if it rains outside and your window gets wet u will have no sights
Im running the RMR HD on my Staccato CS. Its hands down better than my Holosuns and SRO. Its amazing. Though its expensive. Plus I love the donut of death.
Dude, your in depth reviews and videos have helped me learn and understand many accessories and weapons over the last week. I currently own 4 handguns (1 Sig, 3 Glocks) and a DDM4V7 but still need to add red dots and long range scopes. I loved my ACOG on my service issued M4 but it had to go back to the factory and I never got a new one. They're damn expensive but I'm gonna save for this one you reviewed for my G48 MOS
Thanks for the comment, I’m glad to hear you’ve been enjoying the channel! Just a heads up, the G48 MOS is a slimline gun so the RMR HD won’t fit it without a crazy adapter plate and even then it would be HUGE. I recommend getting a Holosun EPS Carry for the 48 😎👍
My favorite glocks is gen 5 g20, g30, g31. I do like red dots but only for range toy. For self defense.trijicon tfo tru glo night sights. From 0 to 30ft makes no difference
I would love to see this with the Primary Arms ACSS reticle….and if they could make it fully enclosed but no larger that would be the best handgun optic period.
Speaking of big window optics, you might wanna check out the mecanik MO2. I got it for dirt cheap($139) as just a dot to mess around with but I was impressed by the features. The window is 20 x 28 mm, the glass and dot are pretty crisp and clear. I think they’re selling for so cheap(they usually cost ~$250) because they’re coming out with an even bigger windowed optic called the MO3 The big downside is that it has auto off but no shake awake, so I wouldn’t carry it but it’s held up to two USPSA matches so far which is usually where cheap dots go to die
Honestly, all of these dots are pretty similar. The differences won’t matter to most end users on the consumer market. How’d you like the Spectre Comp, btw?
@@NightwoodGuns you’re right. I shot it side by side to my 5” PDP and it held its own. Despite how high the bore axis was. I hate the sloppy trigger feel but it was accurate and VERY fun to shoot.
the SRO flying shattering.... the gun was in the planes uncompressed space, the rapid change in atmospheric pressure caused it to explode. similar to diving, after a certain depth it explodes due to compression, in the sky is the opposite. expansion causes the glass to expand and can't while the metal is trying to contract from the cold unpressurized space...
Gata be honest. I have spent thousands on trijicon optics and i regret them every single one. I ditched my multiple rx30s and tossed my rmr after replacing the battery once because it was such a pain.
Their big advantage is excellent button placement. So good that they sued Holosun when they tried using buttons large enough to feel without looking. A few lucky people have Holosons with larger buttons before they had to back to ant sized buttons. I hope Holosun can innovate some other reliable way to change brightness without having to look at the thing or borrowing your 2 year old kids fingers to change brightness.
Im looking at getting the Staccato XC with the RMR HD. I was concerned about the overhang on the ejection port causing issues. Glad to here you haven't had any problems because like you said its an expensive purchase. Great video
looks great but my next dot will probably be the 507 comp before this. its likely not nearly as durable but it shouldn't be fragile either, the window is much bigger, auto off, and is much cheaper in price. would def like to see a review or comparison from you on the 507comp if you ever have the opportunity/time.
From the Sage dynamics video: it’s pretty durable. More so than the SRO. However after a bunch of drops the glass broke. Still usable but it did break after a few drops. We all know his drop tests are…somewhat insane 🤣 so for carry, you’ll be fine.
With the optic partially covering the ejection port in a full size handgun, I wonder how bad it would be in a compact handgun, if it will cause ejection failures. Would you be able to test it on a compact handgun and let us know how it goes?
Prefacing by saying RMR is still top of the food chain and is as legendary as it gets. That being said, if Holosun had an optic with overhang like that, they’d get roasted into oblivion before it even hit shelves.
First video I’ve watch on your channel. Great job answering the little details. Been running G17 with rmr for duty and love the durability of the optic. Looking to advance to the Staccato P with the HD for duty. After shooting the entire line of staccatos that XC is SAWEET.
Plsease make videos on your Glock 20 gen 5, and what you would do it for recoil like a chunk port or compensator. Not too many 10mm vids out there on that type of stuff and would to see it if possible.
I’ll definitely be doing a vid on the G20 gen 5! As far as recoil reduction goes, ports and comps have been nothing but reliability struggles in 10mm for me. So I just toss in a DPM system and call it a day. Just hold on tight! 😂👍
The problem with the over hang is more of a Staccato problem. Their plate design is stupid. It has a screw on the backup sight that’s why there is an over hang.
I've seen videos of the SRO with malfunctions w ejections of shells on FN-FNX. I have not seen this with RMR HD. Like you said kinda pricey to read "hey this might not work" I just ordered mine 3.25 MOA for new FN-FNX tactical 45. 1-4 months on back order :( Thanks for great review!!!
thankfully, Staccato here to save the day.. now if the other grilled cheese specialists would follow suit.. like they always do. we want steel framed carry guns.. say it with me. it's the new mantra. dummies only learn w repetition. now we can too!
There is realistically a 0.1% chance or less of it happening on a Staccato, so I’m sure they don’t see a problem advertising with it. It’s important that they have premium “brand correlation” for their marketing 😂👍
I’ll wait til they update the SRO to have the auto brightness and the durability increased….or just wait until Holosun does it next year with a side battery tray 😂. Speaking of SROs breaking. I’ve always kinda had a suspicion, but do you think that maybe it has to do with temperature changes cause the glass to break? Cause I’ve never heard of anyone breaking due to physical stress, but it always seems when it’s day and left alone, which is why I feel like it could be temp related causing the glass to expand and contract maybe? 🤷🏻♂️
I’d say that’s a good move if you are already squared away with dots 👍 And yeah, that theory is completely possible. I honestly have no idea. At this point it could be anything and nothing would surprise me 😂
15:28-15:44 view through optic while shooting. Doesn’t look like the SRO gives any extra “tracking” room from your earlier ball catching comparison. Looks like recoil management and gun lock up type will make the biggest difference in where your dot is headed after a shot and where it’s coming back for the follow up shot. I always thought the benefits of round optics with thin case rings were to obstruct less of your eye sight. Good hon as always
Honestly, the on-video comparison I did wasn’t the best. I had to reach around the tripod with a terrible grip and look at the dot on the camera while shooting. I don’t really have a good way of doing it, but I tried 😂 I probably have to get a helmet-cam to do it properly 🤣 You are right though, recoil management makes the biggest difference. But the taller window does work with my ball-catching analogy. The sooner you can see the dot, the sooner you can shoot your next shot and the easier it will be. It REALLY shows up while running a plate rack. And the thinner housing is nice for a clean field of view, but it’s not necessary. If people can shoot occluded dots, then a thicker housing won’t interfere much. 👍
I have the trijicon rmr in fde on my 19x and I love it. It’s my everyday carry. I can hit a bottle top at 20 yds easy. I also have the 508t on a pdp and it’s sweet too. As long as you pick the one with reticle you like they all are an upgrade for sure. I just don’t like the huge dots and the smaller dots are sweet.
@@NightwoodGuns for sure I don’t see a point in the big dots. Even the circle of death makes to much clutter sometimes especially on a pistol. Btw great channel I love guns and customizing them especially Glock. I have a smaller channel I show off a little bit of my collection. I am in the finish process of basket weave stippling my 19x. Check it out if you like. Either way love the channel keep up good info. Ps. Do you think a compensator is worth it.
@@HKGunPlay It seems people with nasty astigmatism like the big dots. But mostly: big dots are great for fast action shooting with a lot of transitions and presentations. When target focusing, it’s easy to keep the big dot in your peripheral vision as the gun is recoiling and you are moving. Some people lose the smaller dots when running them fast and transitioning in daylight. Yes, compensators are worth it but you have to be willing to vet most of them for reliability. The only setups I 100% recommend without testing are the Radian Ramjet/Afterburner with a DPM Captured Soft Edition, the Staccato XC, and most Herrington Arms compensators. Everything else, I would vet thoroughly for reliability. I’ll be sure to check out your channel and give you a sub 😎👍
@@NightwoodGuns thanks for the info. I am new to red dots always been an iron sight guy for about twenty years. I might have to try the radiant. Thanks again
Thanks, good video. My only complaint about Trijicon is the price. I know you get what you pay for but DAMN! I have a number of RMRs but I have been buying Holosun for any new pistol optic. I will take a look at this, but the price will hold me back. When you mentioned the overhang, I remember another reviewer mentioning this. He even had it happen on camera. I think it was Aaron Cowan but I am not sure. Keep up the good work.
Everything is made in China. Unfortunate but true. Holosun are very good optics that hold up well and are half the price. An optic that costs more than your gun, just terrible.
Question: how quickly will the fouling from the breech start to cover the front window..same as SRO, more or less? With the front-facing light sensor, will that be affected by the fouling (by occluding the light port) over time slow its responsiveness? What would be the cleaning method? A Q-tip will only get to the center/front surface, not to the outer edge of the circular port opening.
It’s not fouling as quickly as the SRO. No signs of fouling on the light sensor. They buried it deep to avoid that 👍 If, for some reason, you did have to clean it… you might have to get creative.
Awesome review. I just bought my first red dot - SRO. Do you think the SRO and RMR HD make it easier to “pick up the dot” for new red dot owner’s transitioning from traditional irons?
but likely getting replaced on 12.15 w the p4.1 unless gravity stops working or expectations become quickly unmet.. like if blue stops making yellow tomorrow.. we're going to have other things to worry about.
Great vid. I wish the govt made it easier for businesses to mfg here. Love that hey are a “made in us” comp but it’s reflected in their prices! BTW…someone on another channel made a great point about that top sight. If your recital ever shatters to where you can’t see your front sight or gets covered in mud to where you can’t see through it, you have that last ditch option. Made sense to me.
What optic would you run for home defense and competition? RMR HD, Holosun Comp, something else? I also run and XC. I don’t really want to own multiple.
Just as much as any other dot. Nothing completely unreasonable except for the infamous “ghost dot” when facing the setting sun head-on. But that happens with every dot I’ve tested.
I too pre-ordered mine and it will find it's new home on a Staccato P. What holster are you using? I guess with minor modification, Safariland will accommodate this setup.
I really enjoy your videos, the content is very informative and your chill demeanor is a nice change from other stuff I view. Question. In your opinion what would I be giving up getting the 4-4.5 pound trigger in the Staccato xc?
I’m glad you’ve been enjoying the channel! As far as trigger weight, it’s just whatever you are comfortable with. If you feel a little uneasy with the idea of a light trigger I’d go with the 4-4.5. The only thing the lighter trigger does is make it a little easier to get the fastest possible splits while maintaining tighter groups. But you have to have great trigger control to do that. Basically, the lighter the trigger, the easier it is to avoid sympathetic movement in your hand when pulling the trigger. But be aware that some respectable people caution against lighter triggers because during an adrenaline dump you might not have as much control over your trigger finger as normal. So it’s about knowing your limitations and being honest with yourself about your ability. Just my opinion. I shoot lighter triggers most of the time so I’m extremely comfortable and confident with them even under stress. Hopefully that helps!
@@NightwoodGuns thank you so much for answering so quickly! I have good trigger discipline and was not planning on this for my EDC, I have others for that but if it ends up being as nice as they say you never know! Thank you again!
I guess the RMR HD will only support traditional Irons set up. Unless you put a Suppressor height in front of the Dot. Any issues with casings hitting the front?
@@NightwoodGuns i see. has the RMR HD caused malfunctions while shooting the 2011 or SASII Tac? I'm saving up for the SASII Tac 4.25 2024 model, but i'm kind of undecided between the RMR HD or the RCR. Will you be reviewing the RCR some day too? Preferably on a 2011 or SASII Tac.
@@mochipink5875 I’ve never personally had an issue with the HD or SRO overhang. But in my social circle we shoot hundreds of thousands of rounds. And it has randomly happened to three people I know only a single time each. Very rare occurrence and one was on a Staccato. Even though it is astronomical, I couldn’t get it out of my head and switched 😅 RCR review here: m.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--sWboHHhnQk.html
I got rid of all my pistol Trijicons (SRO, RMR) over the last year and continue load up on Leupolds (DPP) and Holosuns (507k, 407/507C, 509T). I am tempted with the RMR HD but at some point, economics and commonality have to come into play when I’m trying to outfit so many pistols with red dots. The RMR footprint is now the standard but the DPP is a viable alternative.
Careful buying holosuns. All my optics are holosuns, they work great until you need warranty work done. They can’t even replace my scratched glass even though I want to pay for it. As for me I won’t buy another holosun, especially on my duty/carry gun.
So you sold all those optics that were already bought and paid for, and took a loss on the resale just to replace with holosun’s lol. Poor financial decisions
@@mooktemas6800 Not saying you're wrong, but I own double digits of Holosun 407/507 and I've only sent one in for warranty (507K) and that was for double dot reflection/image on the glass. They sent me a knew one. Have not had one just stop working yet.
All red dots have their pros and cons. I’ve had a couple DPPs and sold them. Clear glass and durable, but that stupid one-button/control placement and tall housing just wasn’t for me. This RMR HD checks all the boxes, but that price has me waiting a couple years.
lol Bret, ended up with an XC and Alchemy hicap.. sold sooo many guns to get 2.. like almost all.. but just enough left to get a Bul UL, which is the gas and the fire as well. was hoping Bul would do a chunk port next instead of the super loud Vporting or barrel comp. want a commander sized commander.. the schnozzberries should be the size of schnozzberries, not half an inch longer.
Most comps run best with a DPM System 👍 Nearly every comp/port I’ve tested on striker guns have the best impulse/return to zero with a DPM kit. But when you get to Staccato XC level, it’s hard to find a DPM combo that beats a standard super light spring. Glad you enjoyed the vid 😎
@@NightwoodGuns awesome, thanks for the info. Your one of the few HONEST channels that reviews stuff that I actually care about. A lot of that being aftermarket accessories. Always enjoy watching your vids. Thanks again
Yep, open emitters are on the way out. The issue with closed emitters is getting a large window without an enormous housing. Holosun is definitely pushing toward that with the EPS.
Right out of the gate, if I have to spend the kind of money for a sight as much as another sidearm, then it's pretty clear that the optics market is out of control. Think about it, as electronics continue to get smaller, materials and manufacturing processes improve and widespread, there's little justification for gouging consumers. Step back and consider that other areas of consumer products are not as expensive as these are. The electronics and materials going into these optics are the same as everything else yet the MSRP is disproportionate. I'm not saying things are cheap and these should be too or that inflation isn't real. What I'm saying is firearm optics is such a niche that manufacturers have convinced us there's justification for high pricing when it isn't. For example, look at the watch on your wrist. The tech and materials in it exceed the optic on your sidearm, yet it costs 5 or 10 times as much. Why? 1.) Optics are a niche market with far fewer buyers compared to other markets. 2.) Even though tooling has incorporated CNC which drives costs down (and repeatable), manufacturers are front-loading their profits because they lack the business skills to utilize their resources across additional markets. In other words, they only know how to do one thing so they jack up prices. 3.) They have been successful in convincing buyers this is the way it is and we have no other choice but to keep opening our wallets for them to plunder. We have two choices: take the red pill or the blue pill. We can either stay in their world of sucking us dry or we can improve our non-optic shooting skills. One of two things will happen: either they will adjust their MSRP realistically and if they don't, they go out of business. Either way, we become better shooters with more of our hard earned cash still in our pockets.
Having LASIK surgery on my eyes to restore them to the point that I can actually see my front sight post clearly is far more expensive than any optic. I’m ok with spending the money. Theres plenty of cheap optics out there for anyone who wants to keep more money in their pocket. It’s like a civic and a Mercedes. They’ll both get you from point A to point B, one just does it better and you pay a premium for it. I’d like them more and own more of them if they were in the 3-400 range though. Can’t cough up too many $650 purchases. Fortunately I don’t have that many pistols anyway, and I carry a Wilson, so the cost of the optic is only about 20-25% of the cost of the gun, not even close to. Just installed one yesterday, will be selling my rmr type 2 on eBay to offset the cost a little bit.
For the price: I’ll take a 508T, 509T or EPS. Hell. I’d even take the 507Comp 😂 Trijicon is too late in the market to be charging as much as they do. Also certain guns might have issues with brass ejecting because of how forward it sits. Yes I commented all this before watching the video 😂 but I’m still watching it as I comment.
@@Phenom2606 just an average person making observations lol. I’ve also shot using the RMR HD. So I’m not just saying this to support any particular company 😂
gonna pix up that new newness P series tho.. for me it's the prophet that was promised w the 4" steel framed wonder.. I was wondering.. did anyone actually ask the gun industry to only make alloy framed guns? it's like did everyone get weakbish lil arms all at once and say, umg 27oz is as heavy as I want to see a carry gun? i wasn't at the meeting when this was decided for everyone. here's my 2 cents... the WC SFX9 steel frame, DLC would be the sickest gun ever made.. ever. so they did it in alloy instead.
