Trinity vs. Tawheed Debate | Sheikh Nasser Karimian vs. Rev. Samuel Green 

Christians are led away from the authentic teachings of Jesus by Paul, who never met Jesus and wrote the new Bible. I'm thankful that Allah chose me to be a muslim

I feel sorry for Reverend Green. He knows he has a losing battle so every time he defensds his case he has to provide a false piece of information about Islam to kind of show that okay this is a problem we both have in Christianity and Islam. He might be fooling some of our fellow Christians who don't know any better but Muslims just listen and shake their heads at his nonsense.

Rev. Green has been debating with Muslims for as long as I can remember. It's not the eyes that are blind but the hearts. Allah guides whom He wills.

I attended this debate! So nice to see such an eloquent presentation by Dr. Nasser. I hope to see more of these!

1:18:10 blatantly lying. He does this all the time when his Bible is questioned he throws it under the bus by saying so does the quran

I attended this debate. I'm glad to see that I can re-watch Dr. Karimian at 0.5 speed 😅. I'm also glad that his slides are visible in the video!

Wallah it brings joy to my eyes seeing all the views subscribers and likes. Your channel deserves much much more attention. Thank you for daily guidance dear sheikh

@dr.nasserk Shaikh You Completely Destroyed pauline Christianity❤. Keys to Debate: 04:06 samuel green's opening statement. 24:03 Shaikh Dr.Nasser's Opening Statement. 44:25 Samuel's 1st Rebuttal. 54:26 Shaikh Dr.Nasser's Rebuttal. 1:04:53 Samuel's 2nd Rebuttal. 1:09:57 Shaikh Dr.Nasser's 2ND Rebuttal. Q&A session, 1:16:30 First Question. Most important Question 1:34:05 Answered Jesus is Word Form ALLAH 1:35:20 And what is Tawheed. Another Important question Answered 1:40:11 Another Most Important question Answered 1:48:55

Lovely editing.Jazakallah for putting that slides

I may not agree with the answer to my salvation question but I truly respect the brilliant character and arguments made, Dr. Nasser!

Tawheed is actually very easy and simple until someone filled with ignorance, false beliefs and/or arrogance start using media to spread false ideas among humans which caused Muslims to reply and things get complicated. If you told anyone about Tawheed without being exposed to these stupid false ideas, it will be as simple as it can be. That is not the case for Trinity at all.

The irony is that Jesus PBUH probably looked a lot like Sheikh Nasser, and nothing like the pastor. Both in natural looks and the beard, hair, and robe.Subhan'Allah. The signs are there even for those who don't want to watch the entire debate.

I was there and thought this was such an educational and brilliant way to get people to reflect about their beliefs. Ma Shaa Allah, Dr. Nasser was amazing! I hope there will be more like these coming up In Shaa Allah.

Salam brother Nasser, not sure if you remember it has been a while but we were neighbours back in Malaysia in PV8. We had a lot of great and meaningful conversations alhamdulillah and we even worked out together. You have no idea how happy I am to see this debate. May Allah open up hearts to Islam using your voice and eloquence. Insha’Allah we meet up sometime in the future.

Dr. Nasser: facts, logic, scripture. Dr. Samuel Greene: emotion, theology, opinion.

Lovely. The QnA was aweseome too.

Have a conversation with Sam Shamoun. I just clipped his 2 hour livestream into 25 minutes, just on John 17:3. Watch that, then decide if you want to talk to him. We all are waiting.

Mashallah it was so great to witness ❤

Brother Nasser, this is Nasser from Begas. So long since we spoke! I look forward to hearing this and love to see how you've grown.

From East Africa ... 🇹🇿 ... alhamdulillaah

I can’t believe Rev. Green tried to make the claim that the bible is 100% preserved. This has been refuted by almost all new testament scholars. Its either he chose to ignore that fact or is delusional.

ٱلسَّلَامُ عَلَيْكُمْ 1:54:34 One of the questions was a little disrespectful at the end regarding the “ransoming of Christians to take the abode of Hell.” I commend Sheikh Nasser’s reply for not answering without any knowledge on the topic. This question has been specifically answered by Imam An-Nawawi (Rahimahullah) in his Sharh Muslim and by Sheikh Al-Qaadi Iyaad (Rahimahullah) in Mirqaat al-Mafateeh. To wit, the Islamic position needs to be taken holistically. A hadith in Ibn Majah states that for every Muslim, there is both an abode in Paradise and an abode in the Hellfire. If the believer enters Paradise, the disbeliever in Hell will take his place, because he deserves that due to his disbelief. What is meant by the words “your ransom from the Fire” is that you were exposed to the risk of entering the Fire, and this is your ransom, because Allah, may He be exalted, decreed a number for it to fill it. Because the disbelievers will enter it because of their disbelief and sin, they will effectively become like ransoms for the Muslims. It should be noted that is not contradicted by the fact that the Christians and Jews take the sins of the Muslims. Rather, the Jews and Christians are sentenced to punishment for their disbelief, and their “ransom” is only likened to “salvation/sacrifice.” I hope this clears the air. Anything I said correct is from Allah, and anything I said incorrect is from me and the Shaytaan.

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Amazing debate!

Dr. Nassar is awesome....really amazing analysis with EVIDENCES and REFERENCES....

His calmness is on another level again masha Allah

Just finished watching the entire debate. I’d like to say بارك الله فيك ونفع بك الأمة. Very concise and to-the-point opening statement. Appealing to the Bible and showing that some of the true messages of the prophets before are still prevalent throughout the Bible not only makes it easy to bridge to the Christian audience, but also validates your points. I’m planning to start a podcast to host Muslim thinkers and speakers on different topics, and I’d love to have you talk about your journey. I think it will be beneficial.

Masha'Allah, you did an outstanding job, Dr Karimian. I was shocked to learn it was your first formal debate. I wish they'd moderated some of the questioners a little better, both Muslims and Christians, but the debate itself went very well IMO alhamdulillah.

Green always run away from questions by saying: I am not the one who brought this in!

This type of videos are the ones that must be popular. We must prioritize learning both the context and the mening of the verses to get us to the truth❤❤

Mashallah very well spoke by Shiekh Nasser.

Bro your QnA section was op man.

Salam Brother. I attended your al maghrib class in Charlotte. MashAllah so thankful you represent Muslims so wonderfully. I still have the notes from your class. I would like to suggest that next time, the audience may benefit more if you spoke more steadily via presenting less divinity claims. That way, your points will sink their thoughts. They are very heavy thoughts and worthy ones , but the audience is forced to discard realizations when you move on because it can be overwhelming to ingest the points while also keeping up. JazakAllakhair.

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Great job brother. Guys please respect each other in the comments.

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i think you did better than Rev. Green. More points came from your side and all questions were answers from Rev. Green and the audience unlike Green he did not address much of what you said and you had lots of valid points. Great job!

Content is great Dr. Nasser but a slower presentation style is important, the information is dense and therefore needs to be relayed more slowly

Masha Allah good We need more daiee

You have a skill for presenting things very well and organized.

Dr. Karimian - I've consumed a great deal of information from the Internet from watching RU-vid videos + reading on this subject of the Trinity and the divinity of Jesus. I've watched 100s of videos of individuals providing Dawah (e.g. Muhammad Hijab, Zakir Naik, Ahmed Deedat, Ali Dawah, Uthman Ibn Farooq from One Message Foundation, etc). This I have to say is quintessentially the most concise, clear, organized, and thorough explanation of indicating why the Trinity is incorrect. The most important thing in my view what you did was 1) Use information straight from the bible to make your claims; 2) You provide this in a very clear, organized Presentation that was easy to follow. May Allah bless you. I will continue to always come back to this video. I hope to meet you one day to thank you for all of your work.

The Quran includes the whole collection of recitations, and these whole collection of readings are preserved as one message with several recitations. Is that hard to understand? If so, then, let's say that the UN have a decision and they wrote it in several languages, so are you going to say that these are different decisions?

The major teachings of the Prophets was to call the people to the worship of the one true God (Allah).

Green said that God repeated he is coming to save the world, yet Christianity never believe God came, but only one person of the God head. So, are we talking that God is one person and both the father and the holy spirit are out of God?

Green, you don't seem to understand attributes vs parts/pieces! If I told you an apple is green, did I split the apple into pieces?

This was a comment i made to someone who came between me and Jesus, as a revert muslim. As if Jesus did not belong to me to learn from. Originally, i had told the person to be more like Jesus while he couldn't fathom why i had said that. Seperating me from the messenger. Comment: In a hall there are 3 tables. Judaism (1), Christianity (2), Islam (3). Table 1 denies Jesus. The people in that table don't allow him to sit there, as it goes against what they believe. Table 2 allows all of the prophets from table 1 to sit at their table, and of course, Jesus. Table 3 allows all of table 1 and table 2 to sit at table 3, as their seats are reserved in going with the belief. Table 2 does not allow Prophet Muhammad (SWS) to sit there, nor does table 1. Table 1, and 3 believe in the monotheistic concept of God. Table 2 believes in Jesus or the son of man to being God; putting Jesus above all who sit there. All of the prophets in table 3 submit their will to God the Creator. All of them put God above them, and spoke saying that God was greater than all, and all things. Jesus spoke as one who sits in table 3. In that table, no prophet is greater than another, rather they all behave with the notion that God is the greatest, they are nothing without him, and they all pray to him. From what Jesus learned about table 1, do you think he'll choose to sit in table 2, when they behave the same in denying Muhammad? It will befit table 2 to be better than the people in table 1. Surely Jesus sits in table 3. Where we all worship, he who created the hall. So, bear witness that we Muslims do hold Jesus in high regard. We sit in a huge table. A table where all the prophets sit, and all worship 1 God. The one who appointed them all. In this table, all of the prophets would rejoice in knowing that those who seeked their Lords pleasures followed one prophet more than the other (with no competition). There is no difference because in this table, the more that the messengers lead the people to God (collectively), the more they fulfill their cause, and their cause is Gods cause. They are with God. For they seek not their own will, but the will of God. If you would be a better Muslim than Muslims, then Glory be to God for this. I would welcome you so. I have seen this behavior in Muslims, and yet to see this behavior in those who say they are Christians. So tilt your ways. That I may pat your back with good intent. And perhaps one day you will pat mine, in accepting that I accept the examples of Jesus. He would be pleased with us, and more so, God would be. His examples are up for grabs after all, so make haste, that you'd be better than I 🤲🏼. Be wise, brothers and sisters. It shall benefit us all.

Why did Dr Greene say Jesus spoke Greek? Jesus wasn't sent to the Greeks.

Dr. Greene doesn't know Arabic at all. If you give me any of the two mushaf that Dr. Greene showed you, I can read each one.

As-Salamu Alaikum Sidi Karimian, are you in anyway related to the deceased Saeed Karimian?

In the quran, the Trinity is not confused with Mary, it addresses those that elevate Mary as a gidess which some do. Especially the ancient Arabian practice of collydrianism that worshipped Mary.

Masha Allah amazing ❤❤❤❤❤❤

1:25:40 basically hes asking "How can Allah be Merciful if there is no one to be Merciful to?" Very simple answer. All of the sifat of Allah, the attributes, are innately within Him from eternity-past. He eternally-possesses the attributes of Mercy, Justice, Knowledge, Will.... Just because one or more of the attributes is not eternally in action, does not mean Allah does not possess the attribute(s). In order for Allah to create the universe...He must first already possess the ability to create. Being a Creator means you have the ability to create. It doesnt mean you are eternally creating things. And to Allah belongs the best of examples. Edit: 1:27:19 Wallahi brotha.... You nailed the coffin shut on this "argument" way better than I ever could. You just flipped the script on him

When Jesus said he is the God are one, so, how would the trinity would justify that a god person is the same as the god head of three persons? And would we now say that the nature of God is a mixed nature of God and Man? Isn't it a circular definition? Trinity by itself is really just a mess.

Wallahil Adheem this was just a training session.

Thank God for Islam 🤍

First public debate of Shaikh Nasser Masha ALLAH, Shaikh Your style of Debating is like that of Sheikh Dr. Ali Ataie [may Allah bless him and grant him peace] which leaves an impression on the audience. I Am writing a book on the Divinity of Jesus. I will upload this debate also on my channel Partly.

Jazakallah khair shaykh Nasser love from dubai😊❤

Islam always wins Allahu Akbar

Christians accuses the Christ of saying rubbish by saying to the Jew that if he followed the commands he will live while Christ must have known that nobody will ever do that perfectly, so the commandments are a curse and must be lifted!

The Christian guy is a polytheist. He prays to multiple 'gods.

Green sometimes says the Quran is the written book and sometimes it is the spoken recitation. The Quran is both the written book and all the spoken recitations proved to be coming from the prophet himself. And they match very well. The written book is not meant to read from but it is an additional way to preserve the Quran with all its recitations together, beside that the written book itself have its own miracles other than the miracles in the spoken recitations, as are all revelations from the Almighty Creator SWT.

The Christian is confused about who God is.

I am an ex Muslim converted Christian from Pakistan and twheed was my always question because allah is nothing without Mohammad. But trinity make sense to me. Christian God is so powerful that he can enter in his creation but Islamic god can’t. And I bet my comment will be deleted soon because Islam can’t handle the truth. Jesus is God.

It's very difficult to make sense of falsehood. The trinity is falsehood.

The shahada is: لا إله إلا الله محمد رسول الله The testimony of faith in a worshipped God (إله) is not complete until a messenger is specified, because worshipping God means following his commands and wills, and without specifying a messenger to tell us these commands and wills will make this testimony of faith completely useless. Green's ignorance of Arabic is really astonishing!

Reverend Green says that his problem with Islam is that it is just coming from one man, and the Biblical message as understood by Christians like him is coming from many. This is a fallacious argument. Christians generally seem have doctrines that they believe in already (the Trinity, Pauline claims about faith justifying one, faith in Jesus's death being sufficient etc.) and they back-project that onto the Bible. That is to say, they do not follow evidence, they have a conclusion already, and they impose that onto the Bible. It seems to be a very emotion driven faith. This is from the question on "why don't you believe in Islam - is it due to logical contradictions or simply because it doesn't agree with Christianity?" I think if Christians adopt a more open-minded framework where they question their pre-conceived conclusions, they might not be able to win a debate, but they would learn more.

Jesus pbuh prayed like a Muslim See Matthew 26 : 39

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Injeel being a Greek word does not mean it was not a word in Hebrew or Aramaic language. According to our lexicons, Injeel is a disputed regarding its origins, but I couldn't find any one which said it was a Greek word!

Gospel of John only makes these 'I am' claims no other earlier Gospel does, why? If Jesus was walking around making these claims why no other Gosple thought it was important to mention them.

Ma sha Allah 🤲🏽

Professor Bart Erhman, one of the world’s best New Testament scholars, teaches a good course on this, and has written a book, on just this subject, “How Jesus Became God.” BY THE END OF THE CENTURY, some Christians were beginning to think of Jesus as a God equal, or nearly equal, to God the Father. Earlier on, Jesus was thought of as the adopted Son of God, and the Gospel of Mark backs up that view. It was only by the end of the century that many Christians were beginning to believe in Jesus as a fully divine, pre-existing being. And it took a few more centuries still for the Doctrine of the Trinity… Jesus as fully God equal to God the Father… for orthodoxy to completely embrace that doctrine. Before the end of the first century, most Christians were “Ebionite” Christians, who essentially were like today’s Messianic Jews. It is my belief that these ideas accumulated more and more after Jesus’ death. There is Biblical evidence to suggest that Jesus never taught he was God, although some passages in John (which is where the “I am” comes from) suggest he did think he was God. But in the Synoptics… Jesus, when he teaches how to pray, never ever says, “Pray to me.” Never. It is “Our Father” who art in Heaven, not merely “my Father.” All the peacemakers, he claims, “will be called the sons of god.” Jesus asks, “Why do you call me good? Only one is good, that is, God.” That is a troubling passage that is in all three Synoptics: Mark, Matthew, Luke. He says the time of the Second Coming “is known to the Father but not the Son.” And so on Theologian Walter Farrell in his book 'Companion To The Summa vol. 1 chapter 7' writes: The Trinity is a mystery; no doubt about it. Unless we had been told of its existence, we would never have suspected such a thing. Moreover, now that we know that there is a Trinity, we cannot understand it. The man who attempts to unravel the mystery is in the position of a near-sighted man straining his eyes from the Eastern Shore of Maryland for a glimpse of Spain. We cannot probe the depths of the ocean of divinity with the foot-rule of the human intellect.

cant believe he quoted john of damascus 😂

I suppose the goal isn't really debating Rev Green. He's been caught out a few times making stuff up in various muslim streams. More to reach the people that may not have heard the message before. Articulated well brother Nasser, especially the Q&A at the end.

You're a convert, Sheikh! Mashaa Allah. Just out of curiosity, what is your background before Islam?

The Muslim speaker is making things too technical. He responded to the Hafs and Warsh Quran argument with technical jargon like ‘dagger alif’ and ‘ahruf’ which would completely escape the Christian audience. I think he needs to do audience analysis much better and simplify things much more. He made this technical approach too many times during the debate and it will not persuade a Christian who hasn’t already done significant research on Islam. One way he could’ve explained the warsh and hafs difference is to say the way the reverend called him Nasser with an Australian accent is different from how it would be uttered in Indonesia

Christians believe that the nature of the word is the same nature of the God! Wouldn't that make God also a word spoken by someone else?

Great work Masha-Allah. Excellent job disproving trinitarian blasphemies and heresies.

ALL THE ANGRY CHRISTIANS IN THE COMMENTS 😂😂😂😂😂 I'd be hurt too if my religion was dying because it wasnt starting to make sense to people anymore now that the internet has opened up more of the masses to find its many flaws.

Muslim men should not be clapping 👏.

I finished reading the Gospel of Barnabas...which was written pre-Paul and before the 4 Cannon Gospels(selected by Greek/Roman church fathers).. The Gospel of Barnabas is amazing because....i see at least a dozen of events that are written in the Gospels(Mark, Mathew, Luke & John)... The 4 Gospels were written(70-110 AD) after the Gospel of Barnabas. The Gospel of Barnabas is conveniently rejected because it exposes the falsehood of Judaism and Pauline Christianity.

Very nice discussion. But with all respect I believe the audience at the end should be asking questions not replying to the speakers. Perhaps it would be better if the other speaker who is probably more knowledgeable than the audience be the one replying.

Rev. Green's response to the question referencing Ezekiel 18 missed the mark from the Christian perspective. I do believe from the Christian perspective Adam is the human father of man. Adam committed the Original or first sin which was according to Christian theology passed along to all his descendants. Man is born from sin in sin. A corrupted understanding of the Jewish theology as it clearly states the son can not inherit the sins of the father and vice versa.

1:52 i feel like the inconsistency in the way rev green answered this question sums up why i do not find the trinity, as a doctrine, compatible with monotheism. "i dont see the trinity as difficult because gd is different to us,, he a higher order Personal being, and i dont think we should use our own experience of a personhood to say what gd should be like" as far as i can understand it, the logic of the trinity rests on an axiomatic assumption of the quality of g-d's essence, that gd is a 'personal being', a being with the quality of personality, and because g-d has 'self hood' he must therefore have a 'self concept' that is akin in some way to the relationship of a person and their ego. but unlike the imperfect human ego, where the mind and the body seem not to be unified,,, where its possible for a person not to know the condition of their own being-- to be 'self unaware' ,, the perfect unity of gds being, and gds self concept aka word, means that they are 'distinct persons'. surely, if we aren't projecting the characteristics of human experience onto gd, then least of all would we be obligated to think that, the higher order being of gd MUST exist in the particular form of a self and a self conscious personality that is perfectly dualistic instead of imperfectly so. the problematic, near pantheism of the trinity, besides not being described in the bible, seems contrary to its most important commandment, in some ways. to me, it feels like the only way to find support for the trinity is misinterpretation, most generously due to mistranslation and most cynically due to christological eisegesis. but i think its pretty damning that 1. its basically only in john, the latest gospel historically and 2. the church fathers could not agree, for the first 200 years, on the doctrine of the trinity, and the history of its development and final ecumenical acceptance 325/381,,, raise definite questions about whether it was purely scriptural, or if it was not a philosophical or politically motivated interpretation. i guess my question to christians is--- if "the word" of gd did not exist, would gd exist, or not? this seems to be a necessary implication of trinitarian belief. if the answer is no, gd could not exist without the word in my opinion youve failed the monotheism check. if you answer is yes, gd could exist without the word, then youre doing some kind of subordinationist heresy by denying that jesus is coeternal to the father, and you're no longer practicing orthodox christianity. which i personally think is fine (because at least it is reasonable), but i dont think most self identifying christians would agree. i put forward that a triune self relational understanding of gd is not properly eternal. relationship is a state of becoming--- relation is a second order description from an observer perspective. gd is in a perfect state of being, to be in relation, to be an unfolding 'becoming' essence, is to put gd's nature into terms of contingent temporal existence, to very necessarily human way to describe existence, but not a way necessary for, and seemingly contrary to, the existence of a "higher order" being. what if an aspect of gd being all powerful, is that gds will and gds being are not two like us, but one? of course, we cannot comprehend what it would be like, for being and will to be one. to us,our spirit seems insurmountably separate from the physical, and realizing our will, making our will reality, is not always possible and always requires effort. to be able to understand the existence of this kind of oneness, would require us to imagine transcending the physical, embodied, temporal nature of our existence. to describe gd as a trinity rather than perfect unity ascribes temporal nature to gds existence, it puts his existence in terms of our personhood.

i doubt he will Drink Zam Zam Water he would be affraid after drinking ZamZam He will Revert .

In Islam, God is a rab, which is a much more precise term that includes all the attributes of a father beside the humanly begetting part, which was assumed and misused by pagans led Christians to create their false pagan religion of Christianity, and that why this term is not used in the Quran. This is part of the mutable shariah, not the basic tenants of faith, as both Father and Rab can be used for God, but the term Father was corrupted by Christians, so it is not used anymore.

Can you debate Sam Shamoun please

Green is talking about learning from all the prophets as a plus when compared to learning from one message/prophet, like if he believes that a single message from his God can't be trusted, so, does he think his God can't express his message well from the first time? He seems to be like a conscienceless AI LLM learning statistically from masses of data! No wonder the hallucination he is emitting!

Christians missionaries torture us with that we need to understand the Bible holistically to deduct trinity after failing to present clear verses to support trinity, yet, even when we do that, we find that all their arguments for the trinity is actually not coming from holistic understanding of the Bible!

No doubt there is no god But Allah And Mohammad SAW and Jesus Christ are his messengers

Humans only realize what they have done after the fact. Pride, arrogance always gets in the way.

"UNDIVIDED nature of god shared by THREE related DISTINCT persons". I guess we have to create a trinitology dictionary, where rational fallacies meet subjective interpretation of conventional concepts, according to ones whims and desires.

Jesus and Paul did NOT believe in the doctrine of the Trinity. The passages in (Mark 13:32 and 1 Corinthians 15:28) show that the Son and the Holy Spirit are NOT co-equal to the Father.

Christians actually don't have one God, but one God nature, exactly like pagans, the supernatural divine nature which is shared between all their Gods! Tawheed is about having one God with one nature which is never shared with anything else than this God.

1:53:40 Suddenly you became so timid! 🙄 Go ahead and answer here in the comments. 😊

. Can you please debate Sam Shamoun livestream ? It would be great to watch.

Allah is unlike anything in his creation - how can one understand the nature or oneness/ahad of allah seeing the descriptions of allah ones gets it from creation? In conclusion - the understanding of one comes from creation - the oneness of allah cannot truly be understood or even taught or even be defended by the most knowledgeable muslims. It's simply Imposible.

If God is supernatural then he can manifest in human form the doctrine of the Trinity make more sense than tawhid.

Bismillah Hir rahman nir raheem, Rabbanaa wa laa tuhammilnaa maa laa taaqata lanaa bih wa fu Anna wagfir lana warhamnaa anta mawlana fansurnaa alal qawmil kaafireen...

I only understand what the Trinity means from this debate.Before now it doesn't make sense to me, however I have Understood it now.But what make to not believe is that God mentioned in Quran saying"Don't say Trinity" . what I have to do is Believing There is only one God. My Christian Brothers and Sisters Answer me, will I Enter hell to not believing in Trinity?❤