Great video. Very helpful. I was missing the very first part of rules 81 and 82, "A stand that is forced to fall back must..." It's like Rule 80 applies to all losing units (unless destroyed), 81 and 82 apply depending on the layout of units on the map board while applying the fall back, and rules 83 and 84 apply depending on the outcome of the dice rolls.
I am play Alexandrian Successor Armies. There is the Elephant Support ability which I am using. Do the Pike stands that have this support suffer the destroy effects of the Elephant fallback? Especially when there is a rear Pike support unit (also with Elephant support).
This is all very helpful, but it raised on oddity for me. I have a Han pavise unit, which is VERY deep. What's the rationale for them falling back so very far? They'll break contact with everyone, and similarly, when they pursue, they pursue very quickly.
The depth is more to identify them and it is a simplification we sort of live with, a similar issue occurs with Cataphracts, but the real impact of the base depth is to make them more awkward to maneuver, plus they take up more space.
Question on evading. 83.2 states: "However, this move may deviate from a straight line by the minimum necessary to avoid any of the following: a. enemy stands, b. friendly stand that the evading stand cannot pass through, c. a camp, d. impassable terrain" In the video you said that an evading unit stops when contacting something it cannot pass through. In what case would this deviation rule come into play?
Good question, I sort of glossed over that in the video. The deviation comes into play if they have additional movement and could complete it by passing through or around, so in the case I showed they did not have enough movement left to get all the way through or around so they would stop. It comes into play for example when you have a solid line of close order troops behind those skirmishers. My Hastings battle has a lot of examples of that situation. Skirmishers could pass through any other stand on an evade, but if an open order stand is trying to evade through a long line of close order troops it could end up without the ability to go far because the solid line of infantry would make a wall behind it. They Jav Cav in the Hastings scenario run into this issue. If there is a opening to go through they can squirt out of the way, if not they are stuck in front of the line, they just fallback. They key point I wanted to make is the evade move does not destroy them. Thanks for the question, I hope it helps, if not come on by the forum or the FB page for more discussion!
@@triumphancientandmedievalw3229 I think I get it. So a chariot could evade around a friendly spear if there is at least 2 MU of space to go through next to it. I guess he could even evade around an enemy spear, since he ignores an ZOC in an evade move.
@@rob2estonia Correct, if there is room to squirt out between the lines, worst case if they cannot complete the move they stop out of contact with any enemy. In many cases you have a long line of heavies coming up behind the skirmishers, the skirmishers can fallback through and this is what you want. Chariots and other evaders need a gap in the line for them to squeeze through. Unless your line of infantry is open order, Chariots can fallback through open order infantry. Check out the New Kingdom Egyptians with Raiders, Archers and Chariots for example. These troops work well together and can all pass through so a staggered line of chariots plowing into the enemy line with raiders supporting them from behind? Chariots fallback through upon being doubled, then the units that chased them face being double overlapped by the supporting infantry can create some spectacular clashes.
