Imagine Being a flat earther and antivaxxer in the 1800s 💀 And even with so many free and accessible content online, it seems people are getting dumber. (At least people at that time were good is literature)
I only managed to find the source of the videos that flat earthers use to propagate the belief that the moon landing was a hoax, which is the movie 'First Man'. Does anyone know of any other sources? There's a scene where the astronaut is descending from the Eagle module, and it appears that the lighting is falling, and it cannot be distinguished from which movie or series it was taken.
who'd have thought the guy who's allergic to science and logic and reason would resort to verbal abuse and intimidation at the first sign of trouble... some things truly never change.
It's fascinating to learn that we still face the same problems centuries apart, even with advancements in science and technology now. Makes me wonder if the flat earthers will still be found in space travel era.
That's so funny. Everyone rocketing away can only happen in one's imagination - you can only dream it or see it on a screen. Human beings can't leave the Earth. We're all stuck here and we all have to live with it and put up with each other 👍👍👍@@susanne5803
The thing is that they already don't believe that space travel is real even when nearly a thousand people have been to space and come back whole and hale. They believe that the Earth is flat while every other body is round, and that any evidence to the contrary is a trick, a mistake, an illusion, or explainable in a flat-earth framework. It's a deep-seated anti-intellectualism that evidence can never break through. It's very much the same with bigotry; there are people who consider themselves above logic, reason, evidence, and even faith, for their hatred and membership in the club is enough for them to not care. There is a significant overlap between flat-earthers and fascists for this very reason.
My current theory is that at least some of the flat earthers don’t believe things they have seen for themselves and are blinded by their one prejudices
Brady and Keith, like Batman and Robin. We tend to ignore it, but Keith's delivery is definitely part of the success of these episodes. A nice story well told.
Big cash prize if you can show one proof earth is a moving ball. Has been to u.s. court of law twice, both judges ruled the claimer had no proof. (As cleary stated by dozens of famous physicists) but hey I guess you don't want $100,000 right
@@ar_xiv i have 200+ proofs earth is flat / stationary, fyi all you need is one proof for PROOF. There is not one single proof earth is moving or a baal. As stated by dozens of famous physicists
I'd have liked a deeper explanation of what was wrong with his anti-vax ideas. Were his statistics poor or were his samples bad? Or did he use data on same failed vaccines and apply it to the whole area?
Wonderful. As a shameless Darwin and Wallace fan I of course knew of this incident, and of Wallace's involvement with seances. But not in this detail, and I didn't know of his antivax views. Bravo. Glad I'm subscribed. Cheers from cool Vienna, Scott
6:35 And when the flerfs repeated this experiment in modern times with the same result, the line in the video was "interesting" - nothing else, no explanation of how this worked on the magic pizza, and especially no admission that they are wrong. For my part, I shall ignore them until they produce a working map - architects planning a circular building don't switch to an AE projection to draw the plans so there is no reason for the flerfs to be using an AE projection for their map.
No working map and making up and down Universal constants are two of the most obvious Flat-Earth flaws. The better argument (as Einstein knew) had to do with motion, not shape. If we didn't live in a yellow-journal, tabloid virtual reality, subjects like Flat Earth and curved space would be in the dustbin where they belong. Nikola Tesla and Pierre Duhem were right.
Does the Royal Society submit its works to the Internet Archive for digital archival? If not, is there a RS digital archive where we can see some of these things ourselves? I would love to share the opening poem with my wife, she'd get a kick out of it!
The flat earth types didn't deserve attention then and they still don't now. Anti-intellectualism is a big problem and talking about it in the way this video does is helpful; arguing with modern flat-earthers is not.
Science worshippers will never be able to understand that no amount of peer reviewed papers, scientific research, testifiable expirments or expert community consensus is going to overcome pure philosophical and irrefutable truths. Because the above mentioned methods are mere tools of human experience and simply can not be imperative of societal behaviour. While the ethical axiom of private property ownership (aka owning your own body) regardless of your feeble personal opinion is not only the truth, but also imperative by nature. Any attempts to go against ethics would be discussed in the realm of metaphysics (in which they not even acknowledge, let alone understand it), leading into argumentative self-refutation due to the application of imperative and universal oughts derived from personal and time-limited human experiences.
14 Hatherley Grove, Bayswater still exists, and is a rather nondescript three storey townhouse. There is no blue plaque commemorating it as the one-time residence of Mr. John Hampden.
Wallace's interest in spiritualism wasn't anti-scientific in his time, any more than astrology and alchemy were anti-scientific in the 1500s (well, some sorts of astrology, anyway). The anti-vaccination is a bit of surprise--was it a question of interpretation of statistics (the words used in the video were "less effective than claimed" which might easily be the case, since the immunity provided by smallpox vaccination even with the most modern vaccines didn't last more than a few years), or was it serious woo?
No, Hampden is the flat earther, so he had a "referee" who said it's flat and Hampden refused to even look through the telescope. At least that's how I took it.
@@qlqnen no, that's not how it went. Both referees agreed on the result. You can see it in the text below the picture at 7:43. And the referees declared Wallace the winner.
But it's somewhat unclear from the story how the winner was determined in the end. It's possible the referees only agreed that the drawn diagram was correct and did not agree on what it meant.
There are very very few people who genuinely believe Earth is flat. They get off on people desperately trying to explain why they are "stupid". "Flat earthers" mostly have the last laugh.
Sundials operating the way they do at different latitudes isn't enough proof? If the Earth was flat we'd be seeing lots of Lahaina Noons instead of just 2 a year
Depends on the vaccine and the disease. Some vaccines are miraculous, some are nice, some are not worth the trouble. Some vaccines are unexpectedly good - it turns out that some of them protect against more than they were designed to.
They stuck to their guns unwaveringly, just like how the text is deemed to be the absolute "unwavering truth". I guess you can say they have great fundamentals.
I've been watching Objectivity for ages and since I first saw Keith, I haven't got rid of the thought he is a copy of Steve Howe 😅 As is Steve the best in his profession so is Keith. I just love the videos presenting him. Keep up the good work Brady (all of your channels 🫶🏼)
Me: How can you possible believe the earth is not round? The shape and rotation is inscribed on the maps. The rotation is compensated for in the movement of the telescopes. The angle of level from the axis of rotation is changing with the latitude.
Regarding the proof of the sphericity of the Earth. In the experiment described, we were still talking about water in a canal, and not about the Earth. Local curvature of water in the channel was observed... The result of the experiment can be formulated as follows: the water in some places is slightly sloping. But! This conclusion is true only if we believe that light rays travel in straight lines. Yes, Eintain didn’t exist yet, but Fermat’s principle already existed! 🤣
Now I - even I, would celebrate In Rhymes unapt the great Immortal Syracusan rivalled never more, Who in his wonderous lore Passed on before, Left men his guidance How to circles mensurate.
And Newton himself was not averse to a bit of trolling. Hampden shows that fundamentalism and trolling has always been with us. I suppose people don’t change much.
My wife had a coworker who was a vehement flat-earther. When he learned we WEREN'T flat-earthers he aggressively referred to us as Sphere-tards every chance he got and patronizingly insulted our intelligence. We started intentionally asking him leading questions just to hear his absurd defense of flat-earth with wild "facts." 😄 Needles to say we don't associate with him any more.
Yea my uncle seemed a bit mad when I brought up trig stones here in the UK until he calmed down and assured me that, though he can't remember there definitely an explanation as to how trig points accurate measurements can coexist with a flash earth. I gave up after that.
@Objectivity Maybe your design of a flat earth is wrong - maybe it's not a disc. Maybe it's a inverted cone (?). Let's make a compromise and design the world in a way that the region/area/surface that we inhabit is *exactly* the way the flat earthers say: 100% flat and circular with mountains of ice around that cyrcle etc. However: that aera would be a cut out part of a round planet of the size of the sun ... This theory would please both parties :-)) (Please don't write any comments about the physics of such a world - I know it).
it's always "awesome" seeing thought-provoking dives into history like this, with a comment section full of people (who watched the same video) writing the least thought-provoking comments. calling flat-earthers morons is such a low bar to set for yourselves. there are so many other options for improving the world but you people (not objectivity) just pull out the fish barrel and start blasting and getting fish guts all over the ground. if you think people who believe in this stuff are stupid, why don't you do something about it? or do you not actually care about what you're saying you care about beyond posting online about it?
"There are three kinds of lies: Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics" Made famous by Mark Twain, who attributed it to British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli
Tha Analemma proves beyond any doubt that north of the equator and south of the equator are not two equal hemispheres, check out Nikon P900 and P1000 footage over long distances.
The analemma does no such thing, and only forms a figure eight because of the tilt of the spherical earth. "check out Nikon P900 and P1000 footage over long distances." Seen plenty, none of them can bring back the sun into view right after sunset, or the bottoms of ships beyond the horizon.
So he makes a wager, gets called on it and loses as he should have known he would so immediately denounces the results and spends the rest of his days trying to avoid paying the bet out at all by slandering the experimenter tthat won the bet, his family/colleagues, the very principles upon which the bet was won and the scientists who articulated them. That's quite a lot of effort to renege on a bet.
hehehe now i see why there are more and more flat earthers. i would considering too if i actually care. truth is that my bank acc is flat or round depends of point of view hehehe
Though not a flat earther myself, what bothers me the most why as we stand on earth's surface, the earth looks flat into our own eyes? Is it some kind of optical illusion?
If you were a tiny flea on the top of gigantic hot air balloon it would look flat as well. Except the earth is bigger to us than the hot air balloon to a flea. If there was a mountain twice as big as Mount Everest, it would still be way shorter than the width of a penny on a globe. They actually make the land way bigger on globes to make them easier to navigate. It’s hard to fully fathom how big the earth really is compared to humans but that’s the reason it looks flat.
Two reasons why people insist the Earth is flat: 1) They can't wrap their head around the idea / ignorance. 2) In their view, accepting that the world isn't flat challenges the existence of a creator. This is simply unacceptable to them, so the idea is denied without consideration.
A lot of them just think it's funny and will insist it's flat even though they know it's not. It's difficult to get actual statistics when people find the lie amusing but it seems to be at least half.
Interestingly, psychologists say that trolls are mentally ill, often with one or more personality disorders. _Sadistic psychopath_ seems to be a popular combo.
I think the people who think the Earth is a globe, the air has constituents and water is made of hydrogen and oxygen are suffering from pychosis 👍They are the ones who are mentally ill because they think something to be true that cannot be proved to be true 👍
