Trostani vs Saskia vs Kadena vs Chainer, Nightmare Adept EDH / CMDR game play

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@thelocustgod9098 4 года назад

I’m always tempted to make a Trostani deck whenever I see your deck in action.

@brandonguthrie8122 4 года назад

The Locust God I’m always tempted to make a Locust God deck whenever I think of that card lol I even have a holo one :)

@thelocustgod9098 4 года назад

Brandon Guthrie My first deck I made from scratch was The Locust God. It’s a ton of fun and can be really powerful.

@iamkevinash 4 года назад

same here, i'm a die-hard Rhys the Redeemed player but i'd consider building a second selesnya deck just for this

@dennisrothmel 4 года назад

@@iamkevinash I'm also a die hard Rhys the Redeemed player. Nice to meet you. :) I also have thought of building Trostani. I'm building Atla Palani instead, because why not?

@williamarcehernandez8005 4 года назад

I made a Ghired deck based on his Trostani deck and I love it tbh.

@Matthias-pj6th 4 года назад

Jesus, that feeling when someone goes to blow up your Wincon and your reaction is "Ok, excuse me while I kill the table at Instant speed."

@DarkEinherjar 4 года назад

The moment Muddstah rose above 70 life with the Aetherflux, it was over. Even if Muddstah couldn't win right then and there, unless they had Krosan Grip, any attempt to destroy it or lower Muddstah's life would result in "in response, I kill you and your spell/ability/attacking creature leaves the game with you".

@philllllllll 4 года назад

Hey guys! I'm Joel, creator and pilot of this Chainer deck. My deck has gone through extensive changes since this game was filmed and the decklist linked in the description is up to date and might differ slightly from what was seen. If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them!

@timtrio9862 4 года назад

hey, just build a chainer deck myself but haven't gotten to test it yet, i just hope muddstah is wrong about the end that the deck is weak without its commander :S

@philllllllll 4 года назад

@@timtrio9862 Depends how you build it. With the cards I had available throughout that game I was entirely reliant on Chainer if I wanted to draw any amount of value out of the low impact cards I had. I do have many more cards and lines of play that are powerful on their own and don't need Chainer in order to function. However, the core game plan with him is to create an unfavourable situation for everybody and break the symmetry by turning any crappy top deck draws you have into the best creature in your graveyard. Take a look at my decklist in the description. I think it'll be a great starting point for your build and give you ideas. Necrotic Ooze is the main focus of my deck.

@samconsumespie1012 4 года назад

Why did you choose that chainer instead of the other one?

@philllllllll 4 года назад

@@samconsumespie1012 I think he's a lot more fun to play. OG Chainer is basically just big mana good stuff. This guy is basically a combo enabler and allows me to do a lot of little things and tricks throughout the game. Do I want to produce as much mana as possible and just raise a bunch of big value creatures, or do I want to play a more "nimble" deck with a lot of neat tricks?

@blaker6145 4 года назад

Just completed a chainer eldrazi deck and I'm waiting for the cards to be delivered. Can't wait to bring back the eldrazi over and over again!

@jbell3662 4 года назад

Your opponents played terribly. They were constantly fighting Each other while you just kicked back with all your mana doublers. You were the threat the whole game.

@dovakinsteve9517 4 года назад

Ikr. He had triple mana and they still must have somehow thought. Yea thats cool nothing dangerous could possibly come from this

@jbell3662 4 года назад

@@dovakinsteve9517 even when I see 1 mana doubler on the field in my games it's a high alert warning for the rest of the table to take care of said player. There was a chance in the game when one of the players could have used beast within to pop miraris wake. Instead I think they killed a creature. Bad move bruh lol

@philllllllll 4 года назад

@@jbell3662 And unfortunately for me (Chainer), I couldn't do much of anything lol. Kept top-decking lands so the only spells I had access to all game were the ones you saw in my opening hand and whatever I got off the top with Citadel. Wasn't the greatest game my deck has had.

@dovakinsteve9517 4 года назад

J Bell lmao didnt even realize that. That is an interesting target choice from everything else in play

@dovakinsteve9517 4 года назад

Flying Toaster It happens at one point or another. Except i typically never draw land.

@junhianling 4 года назад

Cat noise at 5:05 Big brain muddstah play at 10:50 Also that Trostani life gain is ridiculous.

@user-dy5fk8ff1v 4 года назад

7:18 great play by miguel, opting to destroy the citadel instead of the mana doubler lmao

@user-dy5fk8ff1v 4 года назад

Probably thought it was justified cause he attacked you right after but fails to even think about the fact that you’re playing a lifegain deck. Miguel lost everyone this game. Really annoyed by it too

@miguelcloutier3784 4 года назад

Casual game require casual play

@user-dy5fk8ff1v 4 года назад

Miguel Cloutier citadel and wake =/= casual play sorry but that’s the worst excuse ever

@miguelcloutier3784 4 года назад

Try to play with a precon against some tune deck tell me if you would not make some decision like this 😉

@user-dy5fk8ff1v 4 года назад

Miguel Cloutier even if I was using a deck that had all cards that were only $.25 a piece and I had the ability to remove a genuine threat from the board, I would’ve done it. Citadel was not the play because he was already at a low life total and he also had the chance of hitting a land, where the Wake gave nothing but pure value, seeing as to how it’s already revealed that something big costing was in his hand and getting rid of it would’ve completely ruined the momentum and wasted his turn. It’s not a matter of what deck is being played, it’s a matter of who’s playing it. It was terrible threat assessment that led to ruining the fun of others.

@geekmp3 4 года назад

"you've forced my hand... hold my beer!" Amazing win!

@lushG678 4 года назад

miguel was slamming those morphs down on the table with such force

@esperderek5383 4 года назад

Y'kinda were let alone for most of the game here, as the others beat on each other for....nebulous reasons? Disagree with the Bolas Citadel targeting, you were in a superior spot and should of been set back.

@ryanduffy45 4 года назад

I think its funny how it seems like Miguel playing the pre-con was the archenemy in the game.

@tzera_rhuon 4 года назад

Trap cards are scary business. 👻👻👻

@ctheos69 4 года назад

I love your trostani deck so much, I am a little sad we didn't get to see much Seance action, it's probably one of my favourite cards in the whole deck!

@monomanamaniac 4 года назад

You are another person I will point out sundial of the infinite too. It's an amazing card

@rorylastname7635 4 года назад

-"Pew-pew-pew!" MTGMuddstah, apparently.

@iamkevinash 4 года назад

would def love to see the vid of you comparing ghired and trostani. sounds like a cool idea. also, that last turn was INSANE. well played

@exsimon 4 года назад

Ok. That's it. I'm building your Trostani deck. What a nice deck

@davidliedtke3987 4 года назад

Trostani vs Team Casual. Actually not true for Chainer. But he sadly didn't happen. Anyway, fun game.

@philllllllll 4 года назад

My decks seem to be very camera shy haha. Oh well, you can't fire off every game. I still have fun.

@davidliedtke3987 4 года назад

@UCk-pywcbmzBVWsNKYiiHg9g I just deleted my question after realizing that you already said so in another post. Anyway: it's about having fun. I'd enjoy seeing the updated Chainer in action though.

@philllllllll 4 года назад

@@davidliedtke3987 I would love to.

@6LordMortus9 4 года назад

Absolutely LOVED your Reservoir move :)

@RobertsonUku 4 года назад

Your Trostani deck always makes me so happy. Selesyna is always the colour combo I lean towards and your build reminds me how powerful it can be! #populate

@DarkEinherjar 4 года назад

One of my best decks is also a Selesnya deck, but I go for Saffi Eriksdotter instead, and my deck is all about death instead of life. :P

@nicholaslapoint243 4 года назад

impressed with how well kadena performed without many upgrades!

@tzera_rhuon 4 года назад

The precon already includes most of the best morph creatures so there is very little adjustment necessary. In all I may have changed ten cards.

@cyvan117vol2 4 года назад

That combo at the end was so amazing

@fenrir9358 4 года назад

The Game in a nutshell : FIRE MEGALASER! Nice game and video as always. thank you for both ^^

@an_averagejoe7837 4 года назад

The best play this game was transforming trostani into itself

@joebob7483 Год назад

Will’s deck is awesome. I love seeing the old Kamigawa samurai.

@abrahamlesmana5104 4 года назад

OMG that's one of the sweetest Trostani game i've ever seen!

@HighlanderHipster 4 года назад

Why storm with reservoir when you can gain 200+ life with your commander at instant speed. Great video and game keep up the good work 👍

@ivernedit4132 4 года назад

I’m glad I finally got to see the trostani deck pop off

@tzera_rhuon 4 года назад

There is a previous episode where he was brought down to one life a couple of times and still managed to win. His deck is so resilient.

@Kazz1187 4 года назад

good gawd, from 21 to almost 200 life!! Trostani you so crazy

@Sanitaeter 4 года назад

Waiting eagerly for that Trostani vs Ghired comparison. I tried to make Trostani work for my "ambitious kitchen table" level playgroup but I could never get it quite right. I switched over to Ghired, running an enchantment subtheme for *Doubling Season* and *Warstorm Surge* which works great thanks to *Hall of Heliod's Generosity* + *Sterling Grove* . Still needs some fine tuning, but it's won a solid 5/7 games so far.

@lehandroz 4 года назад

Holy Instant Speed wins, Batman! That was fun to watch. LOL

@hectormorales4090 4 года назад

"Damn son, where did you find this." GG dude!

@xavishep 4 года назад

I always love watching you play your Trostani deck, it gives me terrible terrible ideas for mine >:)

@DavidMitchells 4 года назад

That was brilliant!

@DarkEinherjar 4 года назад

Blowing up Bolas's Citadel and not Zendikar Resurgent... yeah, terrible threat assessment there. Almost as bad as when DJ exiled Vinny's Managorger Hydra instead of Jimmy's Planar Bridge at GameKnights. I know the Citadel is a scary card, but Joel would eventually run out of life to pay, while Muddstah would never run out of mana and cards.

@philllllllll 4 года назад

It's not the worst play to make. I have a well-deserved reputation at my lgs for having decks that can go off out of nowhere. Miguel, having never seen my Chainer deck before this game, feared the worst and focused on me from the start. So I don't think Miguel necessarily made a bad choice in destroying my Citadel. But I would agree that choosing to stop a POTENTIAL danger over a current one isn't the best move. Most of the time.

@DarkEinherjar 4 года назад

I have no tolerance for such tunnel vision in multiplayer games... there's this guy in my playgroup who keeps focusing on me while ignoring actual threats, like a Kaalia player building up his angel/demon/dragon army, or a Trostani player with 60+ life and Test of Endurance. It's the kind of behavior that makes me want to avoid sitting at a table with them.

@philllllllll 4 года назад

@@DarkEinherjar Trust me, I totally get where you're coming from. I'm just playing devil's advocate. Miguel assumed my deck relied on an infinite combo to win (it does) and was scared I tuned my deck so much I could go off any time without warning (I deliberately chose not to. But he didn't believe me and thought I was downplaying my deck's real power level) so he targeted me more than the others based off those assumptions.

@darylchiu9030 4 года назад

Ooh, Trostani AND Chainer? So much inspiration. :3

@6LordMortus9 4 года назад

Casting on your upkeep has to be one of the best tactics I've heard of :) And to be honest, this is the first time I've seen that done.

@wiiblewobble 4 года назад

7:25 Andrew pointing at his mana doublers when the naturalize effect hit like, “You sure bud?”

@douglasmarcondes3592 4 года назад

That's why I builded a Trostani deck, thanks Muddstah! But mine is based on big tokens

@tylerlockhart4069 2 года назад

That was an awesome win!!!

@FaustTheThird 4 года назад

Good stuff. Trostani seems dope.

@PlutoDarknight 4 года назад

Muddstah probably had enough life at the end of the game to Death Star everyone in the next game too

@jessedorval7051 4 года назад

Nice job MTG Muddstah what a win

@irt3hsaint 4 года назад

I let out an audible moan when you announced the final play of the game. So much GAS

@bjsejkora6867 4 года назад

WOW!!!! What a finish!!!!

@maddenlost2121 4 года назад

I really really love that trostani deck!

@JohnDoe-zb7dz 4 года назад

Looking forward to your Trostani and Ghired comparison. Not sure if I want to ad a color. Haste sounds good though. Thumbs up!

@vsDenchal 4 года назад

Late to the party, but pleeeeease. let. her. live. That favourite Trostani, whom we've missed so dearly!

@vsDenchal 4 года назад

and, there's justice in the world again.

@OMClyde 4 года назад

Chainer has haste itself if cast from the command zone? Nice

@russellharder9947 4 года назад

Awesome video

@zaqwsx41375 4 года назад

Love your Trostani deck, build my own and my playgroup consider it as my best deck, so i power it down , excluding reservoir and panharmonicon. And i cut all but Regal behemoth mana doublers and put, buthing pod chain. Would like to listen to your thoughts about Ghired. Adding Flameshadow conjuring and twinflame looks tempting, but am not convinced yet.

@heavenbot 4 года назад

Well now I just want another game to have a Mathilda cameo appearance

@Lindyn773 4 года назад

not gonna lie, that Trostani transformation got me.

@shilohartisan 4 года назад

@mtgmuddstah I noticed Altar of Dementia in your list. What is the synergy there? Are you trying to self-mill or mill opponents?

@victorburghi 4 года назад

That last turn was brutal

@dogebestest7187 4 года назад

Love me some Trostani action

@olev6005 4 года назад

Love your deck (:

@eonrequiem 4 года назад

That’s some wholesome gameplay

@williamcostaesilva3060 4 года назад

nice game, i think glacial chasm is a great addition for trostani, because of hydra and a bunch of life she gains

@nightwolfpuppy 4 года назад

Came for chainer, stayed for trostani Jesus H Christ that was so funny Good stuff!

@brotect 4 года назад

great ending

@kstandish42 2 года назад

Watching this video in 2021: Joel plays the very new and very exciting Dockside Extortionist… Muddstah if only you knew man 🤷‍♂️

@florianleyendecker9141 4 года назад

Hi ! Great video as usual ! I still have a question in my mind (bad english possibly incoming). When Joel bedevil Chainer, can Miguel could decide if he put her on Joel's command zone or in his graveyard ? Because I think the choice is up to Chainer's controller (which was Miguel at this moment) and not Chainer's owner (which was Joel).

@philllllllll 4 года назад

No, the choice was mine to make, not Miguel's. The only way you cna send someone else's commander to the graveyard is if you are in control of their turn, through things like Mindslaver or Emrakul. That allows you to make decisions for them. But any time a Commander changes zones, the owner decides whether or not to send it to the command zone.

@oberondargos5465 4 года назад

I recently completely decked out a Ghired deck, and while in theory it should be awesome, it stands at 1 wins 9 loses. That one win came from a Panharmonicon + Demanding Dragon + Mimic Vat and Token/Mana doublers (Magic Christmas miracle). Maybe I've just been unlucky but it's not performing and considering turning it into a Trostani.

@Cryonicity 4 года назад

That trostani deck just wow

@DarkEinherjar 4 года назад

Muddstah, may I suggest Green Sun's Zenith, Eldritch Evolution and Finale of Devastation? :)

@xRevaNx333 4 года назад

Bruh that was savage

@Linumlitjgulm 4 года назад

What do you think is the most vital combo in your trostani deck

@Atavistic07 4 года назад

Terrible threat assessment basically let you win the game here, as someone who has triple mana is always a threat. But games like this do happen so hopefully people can learn from it. And assuming something is a threat just from the player's reputation, despite having never seen the deck they're playing in action, is a big no-no.

@pipsdontlie3031 4 года назад

Finally you win a game

@bt5087 4 года назад

Fantastic finish lol.

@kingginger3335 4 года назад

Can I ask what the origin of Muddstah is?

@olafthemoose9413 4 года назад

12:20 where's the X-wing blowing up the deathstar when you need it?

@DarkEinherjar 4 года назад

The rebels were too busy fighting among themselves.

@slugmtg1937 4 года назад

Yeah... the Saskia trigger definitely should have gone on the guy wanting to gain life, but a very interesting game nonetheless! The final play was really good, and had me wondering if you were going to be able to pull it off until the last moment.

@nitrodog96 4 года назад

I think you grabbed a Sungrass Prairie (filter land) instead of the Amonkhet cycling dual off the Nature's Lore, unless you're using that as a proxy?

@KvzA8708 4 года назад

Miguel looks so happy playing her face-down creatures

@miguelcloutier3784 4 года назад

I was so happy

@mjollnir81990 4 года назад

I'd be very interested in that video on why you haven't shifted to Naya. Mostly b/c I'm set on the tokens plan.

@monomanamaniac 4 года назад

It's because of that life gain, he consistently has 2x the life and 3x the mana as everyone else most of the game.

@yoshisalaverry5502 4 года назад

Muddstah: "I added two of the most generically powerful green cards to my deck. Turns out they're awesome." lol

@ivernedit4132 4 года назад

I wanna head over to multizone to play w you guys. Just moved to easy coast (Vermont) and def plan to come by sometime when I’m off school or to the jersey boys shore

@LetMeCookBro69 4 года назад

where is this place is it open to public?

@philllllllll 4 года назад

@@LetMeCookBro69 it's in Gatineau, city near Ottawa, Canada. It's open to the public. Wednesday nights have the most Commander players out of any other day of the week.

@wiiblewobble 4 года назад

12:20 Holy SHIIIIIIITTTT

@iandehmel 4 года назад

Mathilda stamp of approval!

@MTGMuddstah 4 года назад

She's kind of a diva now. She keeps trying to make guest appearances in my narration.

@lazaruscomplexofficial 4 года назад

That win though 😂😂😂😂

@erazmmo 4 года назад

Trostani list is not updated right?, cuz I don't see karmic guide there or even the Hydra.

@MTGMuddstah 4 года назад

I'm not sure what you mean. They're in the list on Tapped Out.

@andyik9009 4 года назад

Always nice to see your trostani deck, but a bit sad we didn't see you populate anything this game :( Just love the big token aspect. But this game was more of a combo finish than anything else

@lazyelvis1 4 года назад

Hey Andrew, I was Wondering what is your list for trostani?

@exsimon 4 года назад

Description

@jacobbrown9894 4 года назад

...maybe Reservoir should've been sorcery speed only. Still strong especially in decks that go off on their own turn, but just a small hindrance to going hog wild.

@Scarscreen 4 года назад

Please do make that vid between ghired and trostani.

@whycantijusthaveausernameo3993 4 года назад

That's pretty nuts they allowed you keep TWO mana doublers.

@dustinjackson8270 4 года назад

Grinning Goat yeah I know so much misplays on the other too had multiple times to destroy but go after the black artifact and a morph really a fucking morph

@leeroyjenkins552 4 года назад

any chance you'll make it to command fest chicago?

@MTGMuddstah 4 года назад

Leeroy Jenkins I don’t think so this year. Sorry!

@mikemoyer8162 4 года назад

I remember, a very very long time ago, when Trostani first came out, I made a deck. I was given a lot of grief from my playgroup saying how badly she "sucked as a commander." I proved them wrong then and with your help and that of aetherflux reservoir, my deck has been banned from game night. Anyone who says Trostani sucks can suck it! I only edit this to say they unbanned my horrible Vial-Smasher chaos deck, that's how much they can't handle Trostani. I love seeing it in action.

@grinom239 4 года назад

5:08 - random cat noise😅😂

@elvisy_punto3147 4 года назад

i remember a meme of aetherflux reservoir for this match jaja

@WhyDoIHaveToHaveAHandle_s 4 года назад

Honestly considering shifting my Ghired back to Trostani as I leave the read and what it can offer but hate the fact I have to attack with him. Honestly he's more fair and forces interaction and I think that the plan from Trostani Non-token tokens doesn't implant well into Ghired.

@initialDC231 4 года назад

It was satisfying the way you ended the game lol.

@mugiwaralee9592 4 года назад

One thing I've learned from your Trostani deck. You let the Ulvenwald Hydra live for more than like 1 turn, shit is about to get REALLY unpleasant.

@AffinityForCommander 4 года назад

Trostani's lifegain is absolutely insane! I still have nightmares about her! 🤣

@TedMattos 4 года назад

Talk to Chainer about those nightmares. ;)

@AffinityForCommander 4 года назад

Haha, love it! 😂

@shendelzaresilkwood 4 года назад

Im still here waiting for a game where you all play a goblin commander

@MTGMuddstah 4 года назад

You might be waiting awhile =(

@shendelzaresilkwood 4 года назад

@@MTGMuddstah yeah but I'll wait still lol

@PhazonOmega 4 года назад

Selesnya storm! XD

@categorygrp 4 года назад

wait, how did you get priority during your upkeep to cast worldly tutor?

@gysahlgemuse7208 4 года назад

He was the active player

@TheShardFenix 4 года назад

Because that's what happens in an upkeep?

@DarkEinherjar 4 года назад

Huh... that's how the game works. The upkeep is the first step of the turn where players gets priority to do anything.

@sephyrias883 4 года назад

7:20 Big mistake to destroy the Citadel instead of the mana doubler. Although it could've gone wrong either way, if Joel was already close to completing a combo.

@philllllllll 4 года назад

I wasn't. Although I could have been lucky and hit Buried Alive and a reanimation spell within my remaining 20 life.

@TheGMGC1 4 года назад

Love my Ghired deck. Jiggy clowns

@monomanamaniac 4 года назад

Get sundial of the infinite for your trestani deck, it's great for effects like seance

@MTGMuddstah 4 года назад

It only works on my turn though. I like the idea of it, but I can just populate the token for a similar effect.

@monomanamaniac 4 года назад

@@MTGMuddstah it might, but there's a lot of token effects that create great tokens that you can't keep. It is also cheaper than populating most of the time. With that new populate commander in c19, this is even better. It's amazing with mimic vat, and seance and effects like that. I'm the end it's actually better to have both the original and the populate token and this is a cheapand easy way to pull it off

@monomanamaniac 4 года назад

@@MTGMuddstah also, it's a counterspell on your turn that's not blue, you sacrifice the rest of your turn, but worthy in a lot of circumstances. It's actually a really underrated card. If you don't use it for trostani then definitely use it with ghired because the red token cards usually don't let you keep the token. Even better is you can use the ability at the end of your turn when all the end of turn abilities go on the stack.

@Kazz1187 4 года назад

I'm excited to see the video highlighting why you haven't made the shift to Naya

@weefy117 4 года назад

Same. Im very curious to hear his comparisons. What i think off the top of my head is while Ghired adds haste enablers and cards like warstorm surge to deal massive burn damage, but these additions may not be good enough. The pros of trostani is the life gain, and consistency of 2 colors. You wont have to worry about being mana screwed, and i know budget wont be an issue for him, but for most players ghired might not offer enough to justify the money spent on the land base to have good consistency in 3 colors. Maybe im wrong tho