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Did you know Radio Shack made a terminal? And that it is AWESOME!
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I'm putting in some real effort to bring this thing back from the unfortunate state of decay that it is in. Fortunately none of the electrical issues I was concerned about seem to be that bad. In the next video we'll see how it works when it is fired up for the first time!
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@TechTangents 4 года назад

Part 2 is available here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-KgaCQdxR3r0.html

@Lee_Adamson_OCF 4 года назад

Your bodge wires are exactly the same as mine (except for the color lol). I bet it was either a factory thing or a technical service bulletin. I tried to reverse-engineer mine a bit; pretty sure it has something to do with the parallel printer port enable circuit, but there is something extremely weird going on with that MC1489. I recorded a video on the subject, which is in the process of encoding. Probably won't be able to upload it until tomorrow night though.

@Lee_Adamson_OCF 4 года назад

Also, that LS374 underneath of the printer port is supposed to be a '373, according to the schematic. I see that yours is also a '374. Mine shows evidence of having been desoldered and replaced at some point.

@Lee_Adamson_OCF 4 года назад

Also, I have a cut trace on the back of mine, to separate two lines of a 3-in NAND that were tied high, with a 4.7k pullup on the one with the cut trace. Then the bodge wires on the front tie an unused output of a 3-8 decoder to that input, through a level converter gate on the 1489 (which is what I don't understand) and then through an unused gate on a 7406 inverter.

@Disappearinginc 4 года назад

It's great to see our old DT-1 getting the love it deserves! Clearly it found a good home with you.

@staticfanatic 4 года назад

i love how you make a concerted effort to show that clock rolling a digit over whenever it's on screen.

@raggededge82 4 года назад

19:10

@tombarber8929 4 года назад

except 22:53

@riffraff60 4 года назад

The low serial may be because it's from Canada. From what I remember they used their own serialized stickers that didn't necessarily match production serial numbers.

@SyphistPrime 4 года назад

A vintage terminal to your modern server? That sounds awesome.

@CelGenStudios 4 года назад

Now that I'm thinking about this terminal, I might very well of been responsible for the broken edge connector. We had multiple units that came in and we sold most of them but I had to check all of them and yes those connectors were EXTREMELY stiff and I KNOW more than one broke trying to wiggle it off. Don't tell my old boss!

@TechTangents 4 года назад

Tsk Tsk, at least I was able to get working again.

@tickertape1 4 года назад

Celgen where have you been I miss your videos

@ToTheGAMES 4 года назад

@@TechTangents Spoilers 😥

@ps5hasnogames55 2 года назад

well have* not well of. learn how to speak english chud

@MichaelAStanhope 4 года назад

If memory serves, Radio Shack used to use these for POS terminals in their stores in the 80's and early 90's. When I worked there in 1996 we were using Tandy 4000 computers that were configured as terminals. The mainframe really wasn't updated in years. Wouldn't suprise me if thats what this one did in its life.

@SeltsamerAttraktor 4 года назад

You can probably tell from the burn in on the CRT

@IrishCarney Год назад

Makes sense because I remember Radio Shack unloading , at fire sale prices, all the Model III computers they had been using, one per store, for POS and for sales reporting purposes. The ads didn't mention what the replacement machine was going to be for in-store use, but maybe it was the DT-1.

@ShadeAssault 4 года назад

I love these old Tandy PCs. Been looking for a TRS-80 myself. I frequented the RadioShack in my hometown while in Middle/High School when my friend and I were modding consoles, then I worked at RadioShack as an assistant store manager for about a year until they went under. I hated what they were at the end, but man do I still have nostalgia for their stuff. Keep up the great content and thanks for showing these old systems.

@happyguy5025 4 года назад

Your editing or whoever edits this is really good, like 10/10 good.

@eduardoavila646 4 года назад

It's in fact him who does it! And he even showcased his edditing setup and his edditing server (and upgrades for it).

@edwinmoney619 4 года назад

My high school had about 60 or 70 TRS-80 (Trash-80 we called them), even had a massive 10MB HDD for network storage... Finally co-wrote a grant and got them all replaced with Pentium computers and Ethernet networking with a Novell NetWare server for online storage... Even managed to integrate the Mac network that was in place before the rollout....

@retrogamer33 4 года назад

Everyone called them (Trash-80) not just you.

@Saboteur709 4 года назад

RIP Eddie Money

@pentiummmx2294 4 года назад

I liked the Apple IIe better.

@Ramsis-SNES 4 года назад

#SepTandy? Love it! ^^ Great restoration project, can't wait for part 2! Please keep up the good work! :D

@brycelynch2138 4 года назад

The in-picture tight zoom on your voltmeter was a really nice touch - I like it.

@miszcz310 4 года назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1453">24:13</a> next to this white element (buzzer?) You have loose screw! Somehow glued? Anyway once I saw I couldn't unseen it.

@nekomancerUwU 4 года назад

I was about to comment on that too. I noticed it at 23:24

@GeoffSeeley 4 года назад

Noticed it too!

@freednighthawk 4 года назад

I saw that too and came down here to comment about it.

@unmountablebootvolume 4 года назад

I saw it too! It can also be seen in 23:26.

@WhatALoadOfTosca 4 года назад

So can't wait for pt2. Thanks for sharing.

@luha628 4 года назад

Awesome video!

@hesterhenrietta261 4 года назад

This is so gnarly, I love it 💐

@hazardsoftech 4 года назад

Always stoked seeing a new AkBKukU video!

@mattparker9726 4 года назад

I love the boxed pod games in the background.

@johneygd 4 года назад

Thanks for showing this,you do have alooot of technical dkills & knowledge ,but i only wish you called it part 1 sothat we can prepare ourselfes for part 2.

@ColdRFusion 4 года назад

At least the fan didn't cause any permanent damage to the case, no holes to deal with. Love the repair work on the connector, hope it works!

@C6438911 4 года назад

Personally I don't see and don't have any experience with these kinds of computers, but it is fascinating nonetheless. Amazing video once again and thank you very much for sharing! My very first computer I owned was a Commodore VIC-20. I was about 10 years of age back then.

@Dreams_Of_Lavender 3 года назад

That Wyse terminal in the ad is gorgeous.

@brianv2871 4 года назад

Love that Tandy. I'm totally with you on the keyboards. My TRS-80 Model 4 also needs the keyboard disassembled and either cleaned or possibly add silver conductivity to the pads, but because it's so much work, I've opted for the 'Press Keys Harder/Longer' method instead. :) At least I have a desoldering station now, so it shouldn't be quite as bad when I get around to it.

@linksmith1057 4 года назад

When you turned over that micro controller board I believe I said out loud, “holy kludge wire Batman!”

@GuybrushThriftweed 4 года назад

Why do I always love your vids lol :)??!!

@Starchface 4 года назад

First-time viewer, first-time caller. Fantastic video dude. Love this stuff from back in ye olden days. Indeed, power supplies of the era were often fixed to a specific input voltage. In the pre-globalized world, products were intended for a specific market. A European version, for example, would have likely had a different PSU from the North American version. Today, with ultra-cheap universal switching PSUs, that makes little sense. The only difference is the plug on the line cord. The Apple II was an exception. Its switching PSU-very uncommon for the time-could be used on either 120 or 240V.

@Spider_Rico 4 года назад

You, sir, are obscenely interesting. My house could have been on fire and I wouldn't have noticed. I couldn't pull away from this video.

@EdwinNoorlander 4 года назад

Can’t wait for part one.

@kaczan3 4 года назад

Can't wait for part 2.

@santi308 4 года назад

-9v on a -12v rail is not good. Change the caps, three of them looks bad on top cover.

@theretrospector4926 4 года назад

Have the same opinion. Those old caps start leaking without clear signs of bulging on the top. -9V on -12V rail might be first sign. I do not know the schematics, but if the whole thing only uses 20W, I would change the power supply with a small modern one. You have enough space in that case for 2 (modern and original). Although it might be hard to find a small one with a -12V power rail.

@madmaxgrey 4 года назад

hey AkBKukU do you have a TRS-80 model 100 if you don't i have one that's slightly used but still have the box and the manual for it in really good condition. My uncle bought it when it was first released in 1983. when i go home in a couple months i can see about sending it to you if you don't already have one.

@monsalai 4 года назад

You're going to want to email him, or message him on Discord

@TechTangents 4 года назад

I don't have a Model 100 and am definitely interested in it! If you do want to send me that one email me to talk about it more. I've tried reply to this three times now with the email address but apparently YT is blocking my own comments with that. You can find it in the channel description though.

@JonTheGeek 4 года назад

Wow dodged the line filter bullet, good job man xD

@InfiniteBrain 8 месяцев назад

I've found several different system power supplies that include footprints for both size X capacitors. Makes it pretty nice because everything will fit smoothly regardless of which options you use.

@tim0steele Год назад

Ah, the "Reefer" caps. I had one let go in a sewing machine and one in a food mixer. They get everywhere!

@Hurricanelive 4 года назад

First comp was a model 4. Was pretty nice for gaming. Upgraded to a Tandy 8088 for a few years till I got a proper Gateway P166 and WOW that was the shiz for me!

@Sheevlord 4 года назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="960">16:00</a> This capacitor isn't actually doing anything for the power supply. It's there as a part of the EMI filter that prevents switching noise from the PSU getting into the AC power outlet and potentially interfering with other devices (mainly AM radios) powered from the mains. Omitting it wouldn't hurt the terminal in any way.

@wesstatzer163 4 года назад

love the old flip clock bro

@jtsiomb 4 года назад

The line filter cap has nothing to do with protecting the device itself. It's just there to prevent the device from putting out interference on the power lines that could affect *other* devices on the same power line.

@FaithyJo 4 года назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1210">20:10</a> good to see you rethink putting your hand on a hot, unshielded power supply

@TinWhisker 4 года назад

The heatsunk diodes are 'Avalanche' diodes, similar effect to Zener, but more for circuit protection by 'clamping'/'crowbarring' current during over-voltage conditions than the Zener approach of regulating the voltage nearer the target voltage.

@user-cz2ef6dq3k 4 года назад

In Japan they have 50Hz and 60Hz. Maybe the Psu was also sold ther?

@KingPepper41 4 года назад

Did any one else notice the large Capacitor wobbled, when he touched it @14.47, hope he re-soldered that.

@8bitbubsy 4 года назад

The solder is most likely fine. Some caps can still wobble a bit despite being properly soldered down.

@OjStudios 4 года назад

All of those caps should be changed in something this old.

@bennetfox 4 года назад

Where is part 2? I must see this thing work!

@rricci 4 года назад

Maybe editing itas we speak (type)? I liked the TRS-80s when I was younger. Never had a chance to play with a Model II.

@780tech 5 месяцев назад

LOVE your Videos ! p.s. Bottom of my Model 4 Does NOT have the metal mesh screen pieces

@substance1 4 года назад

Nice serial terminal. I'm sure it had many great years interacting with Unix and/or mainframes and mini computers.

@brentboswell1294 4 года назад

If it didn't do VT100 emulation, it didn't survive very far into the Unix era...

@douro20 4 года назад

There are a good variety of CRTs which will work in there- the JIS version of that CRT, which should be a bit more common, is the 310GNB31.

@pixelflow 4 года назад

Oh cute the case even has the drive bay openings.

@captainboing 4 года назад

The mesh could easily be part of some environmental shielding. We had to do the same with kit we sent to the tropics to stop bugs climbing inside

@omysan 4 года назад

I would like to see that fan running just for giggles ..and sound of course.

@bramvandenbroeck5060 3 года назад

We had one of those in the local library way back in the day

@WolfKenneth 3 года назад

Cool idea 👍 think about doing month dedicated for Amstrad/Sinclair

@retro8263 4 года назад

Perfect Click without any doubt.

@bryandepaepe5984 4 года назад

JB Weld epoxy will provide a much greater bond than crazy glue and can be sanded down to form any shape needed.

@eduardoavila646 4 года назад

I see you watch project farm too?

@MartenElectric 4 года назад

Great job troubleshooting so far, may I have one suggestions? change all electrolytic caps on PSU and lift these 2W resistors off the PCB. Will help a great deal from completely burning FR4. Thanks for a great vid as always!

@tickertape1 4 года назад

Audiophile Vintage This is a common misconception I have many old systems and all the electrolytics are fine

@MartenElectric 4 года назад

You are absolutely right, you do t have to change them if they measure fine, but as a precaution you should. Especially for these TOTL vintage hifi keepers I’m changing all el caps with higher temp value caps when necessary

@rottmanthan 4 года назад

with my model 3, i got lucky with the keyboard, only the #9 key on the right keypad was not working, i re soldered those two pins and now it works. it has two power supplies so i had two of those filter caps to change, and mine also has to heat sinks.

@booboo699254 4 года назад

I suspect that mesh on the top vents is needed to pass UL.... there's a paperclip test required if I recall.

@sadmac356 4 года назад

I have to laugh at the fan placement because it's so ridiculous

@RE1974 4 года назад

Hope to see you at Tandy Assmebly!

@TechTangents 4 года назад

Unfortunately I won't be able to go, I've done a fair bit of traveling this year already and don't have the budget for it. I'm hoping next year I can fit in going to more computer meetups, so perhaps then!

@TheGabri00 4 года назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1215">20:15</a> he said “ssweet” and the fucking clock rolled, most satisfying thing ever

@CattoRayTube 4 года назад

That ending felt weirdly like a cliffhanger haha

@Stefan_Payne 4 года назад

The Input Filtering is, while called input filtering (X&Y Caps + the Coils), not to filter the Input but to filter the crap coming from the PSU to the mains. So yeah, you can remove that without issues, if you have good AC coming in and not use 10 of them at the same time. And get some Desoldering Wick or braid... PS: Its -12V/0,1A and +12V...

@theannoyedmrfloyd3998 4 года назад

I spent 3 hours cleaning out a laptop keyboard once. A DT-1 keyboard would be fun! You should reflow all the solder for it being so old. Put a piece of flat metal in the solder side to reinforce that, but use epoxy on the other side to strengthen the bare PCB side.

@unmountablebootvolume 4 года назад

I found a .15uf rifa firecracker in my boiler mixing valve wich was used as a run cap for the tiny synchronus motor that was about to blow up and was already cracked and about to go BANG! So everyone with an old boiler with a digital controller should check not only their trs 80 power supply but also the boiler controller and it's peripherals for rifas.

@WilliamHostman 4 года назад

The screen is to prevent bug entry, a problem several friends of mine had with their Model 1's.

@charlesmurphy1510 4 года назад

I bought a model 4P which is the portable model 4. It cost around $4,000 at that time circa 1982.

@Psychlist1972 4 года назад

If the wire mesh is not all grounded together, it's not for shielding. Presumably it's for dust. Interesting that they'd bother with that with no stock fan in the case.

@boelwerkr 4 года назад

Just a first guess. The fix looks like a correction of some bus-timing problem. An inverter is involved a flipflop and some bus driver. But just a guess. I can't see the ICs good enough to make out the details. And it's done from someone who had the schematics. EDIT: Use some small pieces of paper towel soaked with superglue as braces to stabilize the crack.

@mina47879 4 года назад

That little bit being broken on the crt board may be a fairly common problem. I have a model 12 with the exact same issue (they seem to use the same or a very similar crt board) sadly there’s also something else wrong with the crt section on mine (I suspect it might be the tube :( ) but it works fine through an external monitor. :)

@clangerbasher 4 года назад

I remember these............. But the cool one is the teletype with the acoustic coupler..........

@brentboswell1294 4 года назад

Radio Shack had an acoustic coupler modem available...No reason it wouldn't work here for the 1980's working at home experience! 😉

@clangerbasher 4 года назад

@@brentboswell1294 This beauty...... www.trs-80.org/wp-content/uploads/pt210.jpg

@brentboswell1294 4 года назад

@@clangerbasher that's a beast! This is what I was thinking of.... www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/13105/Tandy-Radio-Shack-TRS-80-Acoustic-Modem/ you'd have a Hayes smart modem on the other end, with software that would answer the call on a dedicated line, and once the connection was established, you were working over a 300 baud connection to the office. Basically, a really expensive, long, and slow rs-232 cable 🤣

@Mikeywil0003 4 года назад

I wonder if that board with all the bodge wires was a factory refurb that went into an early unit that went in for a warranty claim?

@KevBehindACamera 4 года назад

We still had a couple of "dummy" terminals remaining when I first started in the business world in the mid-90s... And they finally disappeared and were replaced by pc-based 3270 emulators..

@SkyCharger001 4 года назад

I just noticed that there are two other numbers on the bit showing the serial number, perhaps it's a revision specific count.

@tmburns4 4 года назад

Great video. I see some of the chips are socketed. Did they come that way from the factory, or does that indicate that someone has done some work on the board?

@draggonhedd 4 года назад

for the broken off tab, glue something like a piece of tissue paper to the back side of the broken tab with super glue. it will add strength.

@filminginportland1654 4 года назад

My first computer was a Model 4 back in the early 90s, a couple years before I got an IBM XT with 2400 baud modem that let me get on the internet (shell only of course). Had a lot of fun messing with it, but it didn’t have any games. Got it from a relative who sold insurance, and it only had stuff like Lescript and VisiCalc; not terribly fun for a 12-year-old. But at least it had a printer. Had a 300 baud acoustic-coupled modem I found that I tried to use as well, but didn’t have any terminal emulation software with which to use it. Wouldn’t mind playing with one again. Any ideas if there were games made for these models? My understanding is they were for business and the TRS-80 CoCo was the one for games.

@stevesmusic1862 4 года назад

Nice Barbies you sent to LGR, Shelby :)

@Nanospark0 4 года назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1648">27:28</a> "Don't touch that! Poke poke." lol

@Godzilla_Jesus 3 года назад

Heat Synced Diodes was the name of my high school garage band.

@solarbirdyz 4 года назад

Working with either 50hz or 60hz but only 115(range) voltage means it works in throughout Japan, which has 50hz in the east, and 60hz in the west, all at the same voltage. I bet the maker also sold that power supply there.

@Darknecros7 4 года назад

Yeah, the 50hz would be so it’s usable throughout Japan, which as the above person said, has 50hz in east and 60hz in the west, but 100v throughout.

@rog2224 4 года назад

On the non contact side, you could reinforce the crack with superglue and baking soda, which, if you poke around on YT, is a pretty strong bond.

@Loenne555 4 года назад

Fan, wire mesh, multiple wires soldered in... First casemod and first modchip in computer history discovered.

@dodgydruid 4 года назад

Wow, that is so like an old Sperry Univac data terminal of the same era, cut my teeth programming on an ol' Sperry til I got kicked off the course for hacking the college's mainframe which was linked to the county council's even more interesting mainframe, happy days of a misspent youth ;)

@eeromikkola2379 4 года назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="39">0:39</a> Hey Vsauce AkBKukU Here

@brycelynch2138 4 года назад

Do you think some Sugru on both sides of that chipped-off piece of PCB would further reinforce the repair?

@orinokonx01 4 года назад

More! More! I want more! Haha :) this has me wanting to look at my TI all over again...

@MaximRecoil Год назад

I would have just soldered a wire to the trace that connects to the broken piece of the card edge (looks like there's even an unpopulated through-hole just above the broken piece that you could solder a wire into), then spliced another wire into the edge connector harness, and connected the two wires with a Molex connector. No worrying about a fragile repair doing it that way.

@mina47879 4 года назад

I’m pretty sure the video signals are not just logic level signals. Idk about the DT-1 but I have a model 12 which has an identical (or very similar) crt board and cable harness. In the model 12 it seems to be a composite video signal + an external H and V sync. The reason I suspect it’s just composite video, it works just fine if you take the video wire (ignoring the H and V sync wires) and ground and feed them into the composite input on a modern tv. I mean it could still be logic level and my tv could somehow have the ability to decode logic level video without the H and V sync pulses but personally I doubt it.

@ropersonline 4 года назад

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1380">23:00</a>: What's with the screw next to U6 and the, I dunno, is that a piezo speaker?

@brandenrobinson9411 4 года назад

Probably. I had a DT-1 once upon a time and that was the only part that was intermittent. I never had the thing open. But these had a buzzer/"bell" because that was required functionality for a terminal. Not so much for the TRS-80 Model I or Model III, where your only option for sound was via the cassette port. Well, okay, for the Model I you could also put an AM radio near the machine and experience sound synthesis via RFI. Games were actually programmed this way. The FCC wasn't too thrilled with that, which is why the Model I was withdrawn from the market.

@DEMENTO01 4 года назад

Tbh waiting for part 2 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

@TzOk 4 года назад

Solder blob will break. You have to reinforce it with a piece of copper foil or even with a left over from resistor "leg".

@eduardoavila646 4 года назад

Mostly not, probably his solder has lead, and it wont have many vibration and that much of a temperature change.

@TzOk 4 года назад

@@eduardoavila646 I can't agree - there are significant temperature changes inside the case, remember that next to this board there is a CRT, which produces a lot of heat. You can also hear the hissing sound of working CRT, that means there are vibrations - they came mostly from the deflection yoke. This is 50/60HZ + 15kHz. They are tiny, but constant.

@eduardoavila646 4 года назад

@@TzOk Yes significant, but not enough to make a solder expand and retract that much. I was talking about the whole system going 60°c and up.

@williamchow1624 4 года назад

Baking Soda on the glue and maybe solder a copper foil on the trace for reinforcement?

@SenileOtaku 4 года назад

I've thought maybe a wire to the ground plane (or whatever it's called) and another to the back side of the harness plug (with some connector to allow it to be unplugged)

@Lee_Adamson_OCF 4 года назад

I just cracked mine open last night. It has bodge wires all over, too. Video will probably get posted late tonight, if you are interested.

@TinkerbatTech 4 года назад

I see comments on that neg-12 voltage being low. These supplies are meant to be tested under load, the neg 12 isn't really regulated, just zener clamped IIRC. Once you're pulling an amp or so from 5 and +12, it'll probably pop right up to 11-13v just fine. I ran a computer repair shop back in the '80s, Trash-80s were a favorite. Converted soo many model III and 4 cassette models to floppy based back then, adding drives, controller and power. Bought a couple 100 of this style P/S when Osborne went under, kept me in rent for quite a while..:) Still have a few parts and bits rattling around. And a few model 100s.. Loved those things... Stu

@TinkerbatTech 4 года назад

Oh. And those little gray diodes soldered to those heatsinks are tough little buggers. Can handle 3A + and don't think I ever saw a bad one...

@jaykoerner 4 года назад

Either the serial number rolled over or it was the 41 in either that run or that year.

@DS-es7id 3 года назад

i can only imagine the direction my life would have gone if my trs80 color programmable computer would have not overheated in the middle of every program i ever wrote. I think it was Q-basic? or color basic. It hooked up to duel dial color television. It needed a fan BADD!

@Nukle0n 4 года назад

They might've started a new serial range per year?

@VinchenzoC 4 года назад

I learned to program on this in high school.

@draggonhedd 4 года назад

@omysan 4 года назад

That is a great ideea,but as a quick note I'm sure i ve heard some people say that doesn't always work with all modern psu,s due to the way the do the converting.Just be safe out there.