Truck 4x4 Battle: UNIMOG vs IVECO vs HINO vs ISUZU 

why not Fuso truck as well just wondering

we had four spots available and none of our mates had a Fuso 😁@@crunchied8

Better try an OKA

my dream truck

Mine 2

​@@ericeaklor1300mine 3

I know right. I was thinking about similar trucks to the unimog and I realised there wasn't any. Portal axles are epic.

Matching tire with the other trucks would have pushed this point further, same results is my guess.

The mog is basically a tractor on a truck chaises with a high speed gear box. It was made from the start to do hard agricultural work in difficult terrain, after it showed great results in that area the armies started using it.

​@@thesayxxand forrestry. Also its long been in use by towns with all the addons, itl do fine in mines....

The name says it all, there was no thought of military purposes at the beginning of the development of the vehicle. It was simply a "Uni(UNIversal) MoG (MOtor Gerät) and was developed for agricultural and forestry and municipal purposes. In addition, they also had three possible outputs at the front, the middle and at the rear. So you could have the Unimog built the way you wanted to use it. However, the portal axles are already an important part of the success, and the flexible frame is also conducive to increasing traction.

The design brief for the Unimog was identical to that of the original Land Rover: Something useful for the post-war farmer that can do almost any job on the farm. Both were first released in 1948. Both were later picked up by their respective armed forces.

The mog was born as an agricultural vehicle not as an army one. Iveco instead…has a military department. And the Iveco daily 4x4 might be the new VM90. The secret of the mog are the portal axel. Capable of wonders but also requiring lots of maintenance.

no doubt they are awesome

And you’ll not be surprised at this one mate, but the 40M is a cool looking truck but they’re really not fit for purpose like the MOG was. You have to get special permission to drive them on most roads in Aus as there’s too much weight spread between only 4 tyres!

still sound interesting, would be good to see them in action@@Revheadrev

nope. the mog was invented as a tractor an was modified afterwards.

​@@Spatzenterroryeah, it was invented as a tractor, and offroad vehicle, while the others are designed as road trucks

It was the only one that was carrying only itself

@@Spatzenterror yeah, which is why its so good its literally designed to be able to replace tractors

haha, that is outstanding! That you for sharing!

it was a fun day for all. Would be great to see how the Iveco would go with 40 inch tyres and no weight in the back.

We feel you bro! Good old corporates making decisions that help no one!

Portals make a huge difference but we wouldn't;t mind seeing what the Iveco could do if it went from 37s to 40s and had around a quarter the weight on the rear 😜

​@@4WDTVactually, the Mog was somewhat disadvantaged by the lack of weight on the back. Whilst lighter means you have better get up and go, and you are less likely to sink in soft surfaces, it also means you have less traction. That's why wheel weights for tractors and ballast boxes for heavy haulage trucks exist. More weight means more traction, as long as you have the engine power and gearing to make use of that traction. Without a load on the back, that Mog weights less then half of its designed operational weight.

weight can go both ways which is why most race cars (even off roaders and rock crawlers) aim for the lightest possible weight. So there are pros and cons for both. In the case of these two main obstacles seen in the video, weight was definitely a hindrance for the Iveco but you are right, wheel weights would have helped. There is also a great difference between sprung and unsprung mass.@@35manning

That is a great way of looking at it!!!

There are plenty of Czech & Russian trucks that would eat mog's all day every day

no doubt, but we don't have those in Australia sorry@@aussiebevo103

@@aussiebevo103 well, they at least play in the same league. Eat it? depends on the specific Task you want done.

​@4WDTV yeah I know mate. Would be cool if we did though

they are amazing for sure!!!

you should watch our other videos. It is our feature vehicle in most episodes

was definitely a fun episode rot shoot.

Yes, it is good to see the best of the best compete.

still ore trucks to test, more fun!!!@@fredfred4086

Well thank you very much. it was just about getting out and having some fun...and we did!

we loved making this episode!

We fortunately had some very experienced drivers for this one!

That was fun to make and watch. Thank you.

The tractor part was always primary in the design of the mog. Even to this day.

well thank you for giving it a go!

it is a wicked machine alright. Did everything far too easily. The Iveco was a good second but with bigger tyres and unloaded it would have been far closer.

well it's not so straight forward but yes... The Isuzu is a very popular touring rig and definitely far more so than the Unimog. So when it comes to serious overloading in Australia, most will prefer the Isuzu

Thank you for watching and glad you enjoyed it.

We get what you are saying, but we also think that if you lightened the load on. that poor Iveco and added taller tyres, it would have been a much closer race 😜

@@4WDTV Yes, probably. But that was a stock mog with tires. Only lacking comfort and that's fixable (kinda). And hay, the mog is 35+ yo, hard to compare comfort between today and 35 years ago.

That's true. We need to see what the newer Mogs are like!@@TheRaptor1967

HAHA, too true, very interesting comment!

that would have been awesome!

Haha, you guys were on our list to reach out to. We'd love to get you involved with our shows and join us on some of our adventures. How about it?

@@4WDTV Sounds awesome, would be keen for that! Give us a bell when the time comes.

Thanks, just sent an email to info@unidan.com.au@@unidanengineering

We would love to

@@4WDTV come up to the territory next dry season and I show you

sounds like fun. Is it too big for the mud holes out near Howard Springs 😜@@andrefischer5025

@@4WDTV I said “dry Season”? Did I 😂?

nah nah, we didn't see that at all 😂😂😂@@andrefischer5025

marketing opportunities 😜

now that would be fun!!!

LOL. One of them really would catch every eye on the track. Might be a bit hard on the tracks though :) Most photographed vehicle doing gunshot Cape York?

@@TheRaptor1967 If by "tracks" you mean the metal/rubber component - unlikely. If by "tracks" you mean the route through the forest, again limited as the tank's ground pressure is lower than a person's spread along the entire surface in contact with the ground, as opposed to the four small areas where the truck tyres are in contact with the ground.

yes that would be an eye opener!!!@@TheRaptor1967

​@@TheRaptor1967its how you make new tracks lol

fingers crossed you can find what you are after!

@@4WDTV - Yeah, supply (in Australia at least) from Pickles and the like won't last forever. Also I think Once the ADF finish selling them off, the private price will start going up. :(

front Line machinery still have stock but yes, exactly right, it can't last forever.@@TheRaptor1967

still got the job done 😁

That would be awesome!!!

Yeah I was going to move to Australia. In 1996. Then that stupid gun ban happened. I literally had my home up for sale when that happened. Was a close one. But I will never sacrifice my 2A. So America is where i stayed.

@robsdeviceunknown I love Australia for its 4x4 culture, its my everyday dream to own a 4x4 and go play Off-Road

Come and visit!!!@@manyuhahulisani2091

Gun ban? Our firearms were never banned. We do plenty of gun content and we just received our 10th rifle. Will have a new video on that one shortly. We did though get some firearms restrictions, specifically on semi auto ownership but there are ways around it and there are still plenty in civilian hands@@robsdeviceunknown

You are right there! It is super comfortable and easy to drive. A real pleasure.

Thank you mate. It was fun to make!

haha, Iveco wanted $4K plus for what was essentially a complete CV, so yeah he get it... but we did fix it with a $120 uni joint!

We are all good thank you and hope you are well too!

@@4WDTV thats the way mate

Mog also has Portals. My fav definitely the Mog from when I started to learn about them 10 years ago. Cant say the Isuzu out reliabilities the mog (is that a word?). expensive maybe but Merc still produce all the parts for all the mogs delivered to defence departments in the past. Those parts still made and delivered to whole world, can also be ordered direct.

Thank you mate. We reckon bigger tyres on the Iveco an less load on the rear would even things up a bit. When it comes to an all rounder though, the Iveco is a beast!

​@@4WDTVIveco only worry would be reliability

We have done ok with our's wondering how hard we go on a regular basis@@Alidilman

Love the Iveco and I think it fills the gap between a Hilux / LC and a Unimog perfect.

that's a great way of looking at it@@volkerpetersen2671

Very true. we would be happy just to see how much closer it was if the the Iveco had 40s and no load on the rear.

they are very impressive!

Even the US Marines have used them.

sounds like a fun few weeks mate!!!

haha, the unimog is huge on 47s!

They have. a lot to offer

sounds like some great ideas!!!

Volvo C303 portals are popular in SE Asia.

The Isuzus have a standard rear autolocker similar to the detroit lockers , not sure about the others

It probably still wouldn't have performed a well as the Mog, because it would be heavier. Granted the Mog is kinda cheating here by just having a flatbed.

yes get back into it soon mate and get that `105 off road. The kids will love it!

Thank you for the feedback! In all honesty it was just a bunch of friends with trucks and we got them all together for this day out. But also the Kamaz is not available in Australia, we don't have them sadly or the sport they compete in.

@@4WDTV Cheers mate, I appreciate your reply!

sure! but how about rolling diameter, clearance, front locker, etc? You are right, we'd love to see the Iveco on 40s with no weight on the back.

There are dual cab Mogs in Australia but how do you get a Mog to do 100kph reliably?

​@@4WDTVoverdrive gearbox for $20k

Yeah ok nice. How does it affect low range?@@TheOutFit

Some mogs were optioned with hi speed diffs, think that gives 65mph, oversize tyres like 395 miicheli or 425 continental give the same, standard gearbox can also have working group gears and crawler gears

expensive we bet.@@johngibson3837

glad we could live up to your dreams!

Just a bit of fun mate with a few friends. We had a ball but that Unimog showed us all.

just not for the long slow uncomfortable ride there and back 😂 but yes, off road they are awesome!

I tryed and made a mog look stupid in my steyr puch pinzgauer.

Sounds epic, we love the old Pinzs!@@pinzgauerbelgium

haha, oh awesome thank you. Was great meeting up and let's keep in contact please

haha, quite a few lines to choose from and a number of winch lines pulled out by old mate! Or is there another line in there 😜

haha, we have had a few viewers from Germany. Welcome friend!

​@@4WDTV I almost thought... :)

@@4WDTV i am a viewer from germany too.. i own a unimog 1300L since 2016 and i use it mostly for offroad

Oh great. Welcome and Merry Christmas!@@chevymarioana

Yes true but the Unimog is terrible on the road and took an hour to catch up for this short trip 😜

@@4WDTV I agree, but this is if we talk about traction gearboxes in Unimog. But all Unimogs, including this one in the test, also have high-speed gears, which came from the factory as an option and were also installed on those Unimogs where speed is needed; there is nothing stopping you from buying and installing them yourself if the car drives long distances on the highway. Thanks to the high-speed gears, Unimogs, including this model in the test, have a high comfortable cruising speed, higher than that of a Hino or Isuzu.

awesome, glad you stopped in for a view!

haha, they are awesome but the 47 inch tyres help too!

haha so cool thank you. Little Charlie is a big personality for sure!

Yeah thank you mate!!!

No idea sorry. Where was the Canter? We ran the vehicles as we had them. It wasn't possible to have them all locked or on the same size tyres, let along in the state state of loaded. But we had a fun time trying.

it's an awesome vehicle alright

Spot on mate! If it is just about the off roading, the Mog is the winner, but taking other things into account, the Iveco really shines. Could you imagine if we had 40s on the Iveco and no weight on the back?

The Iveco with 40s would have jumped over the obstacles! No doubt on that!

No, the Unimog is a clear winner, it has much better cross-country ability and reliability than Iveco or other trucks. Its consumption on the highway is higher due to the large mass, as well as the cargo gears in the axles that are installed in most models, but if you install high-speed gears, the consumption is significantly reduced. It is often necessary to lubricate the components there only when used in mud and swamps, and this is a plus, since the components are much more durable; on land offroad, lubrication is often not required, and in the swamp of the Iveco with its modest ground clearance and small wheels there is nothing to do at all.

@@user-ct6ev9nu8e i can tell that your knowledge about Iveco is quite scarse. Iveco’s are actually very reliable and can carry far more weight then a Unimog, but not pull. On an overlanding point of view it is better already. The portal axel require more maintenance on any case, actually more on highway cos aren’t meant to be driven at higher speed (by higher I mean 100/110 km/h). The portal axel are immense strong, capable and marvelous if used as intended. That means: off-roading. What you mean for cross-country, im not sure. But if you mean overlanding, the answer is easy: NO. Maybe the new Unimog can do that but the new EURO6 gave some issues. The consumption isn’t about the schnell gearbox but the use of 47” and a weight that is around 5-7t vs 38”-40” with a weight of 3-3.5. Unimogs also require License C in 99% of Europe, don’t know in Australia. I own a Unimog and I know a lot about it. I don’t own an Iveco but I’m looking for a VM90 (born for the army) and I wish I could get the new Daily 4x4. Far cheaper in price and maintenance than a mog. Unimog are born for do a great job and that only. Aren’t born for over-landing much.

@@veequency5609 I know Iveco cars very well, they are much less reliable than Unimogs and many Mercedes in particular. We're not discussing regular commercial vehicles, we're talking specifically about all-terrain vehicles. Iveco should be compared not with Unimog, but with Mercedes Vario or T2 of the previous model, Iveco is worse in everything, these Mercedes can withstand gigantic overloads and transport even 9 tons of cargo without breakdowns with a rated load capacity of about 3.5. tons for many years without any breakdowns. Iveco is very, very inferior to such machines. Iveco, perhaps, can only be compared with a 4x4 sprinter, the reliability of which is much lower than that of the Vario/T2. A Unimog is an all-terrain vehicle capable of transporting cargo not on the highway, but in very difficult off-road conditions. This particular model has a total weight of 12 tons and is one of the heaviest Unimog series. As for speed, all Unimogs have traction and high-speed gears, so this particular model with high-speed gears and 47-inch tires has a maximum speed of 117 km per hour, and a comfortable speed of up to 100-105 kilometers per hour. hour. And on lighter models these gears are even faster. Consumption is also directly related to what gears are in the axles; With high gears, fuel consumption on the highway is significantly reduced. I'm not interested in the new Unimogs, they are stuffed with electronics and are no longer as reliable. Among the unimog models with mechanical engines, there are enough of them for every taste: heavy and light, economical and heavy-duty, so looking at all sorts of EURO 6 is not interesting, I am not interested in such cars

Both the transfer and brakes have been upgraded 😜

@4WDTV 👊 who did the upgrades? Any other issues?

360 did the transfer case and Rugged Brakes did the brake upgrade. The biggest thing we did though can't be mentioned publicly but it has made a huge difference to the reliability 😜@@Expedition_Tranquilo

sounds correct!

yes, almost a league of it's own! But it would be interesting to see how the Iveco went with even just 40 inch tyres and no weight on the rear. It is extremely capable from factory too.

Geez you were thorough with your watching then thank you. The Iveco is featured almost every week on the show, we have had it for four years and the the others were pretty much just standard apart from tyres. The only real difference was the front lockers and tyre size but most of that was mentioned during the episode. Thank you for watching 😁

@@4WDTV it was more as a stand alone video comparing them. Didn't mention anything more technical. Engine, low ranges, Axel types. Everyone knows a unimog has portals and that's about as much as you go into it in Terms of a comparison. Good filming and video, very much 4wd 24/7 style. I just wanted and was expecting more about the actual machines. And less of an advert promoting goods, also a 24/7 gripe

Appreciate the feedback thank you.@@astromarky123

well we just think this is a great excuse to go back and shoot the video again but cover all the aspects of the vehicles! Great idea thank you@@astromarky123

We just didn't have access to a Fuso sorry mate. We love the off-road trucks! Check out this other UniMog from another episode: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-R2z_dKpLZ8Q.html

Simon did you ask on any of the Fuso FB pages? I would have brought mine along

Thank you for the offer mate. @@jasonralos7186

Except we had to wait an extra hour for him to arrive as he is so slow of the freeway 😂

It's how they are driven every day of the week

they are superb off roaders and carry a heap of personality

Have a 404 ,smaller and petrol ,but the best 4x4 i ever had

they are awesome vehicles @@ClovisPoint

,,,and the portal axles! Yes exactly right. We would love to see what the Iveco could do even just with 40s and no weight on the back.

The Unimog is the heaviest here. But you can’t put big wheels on other cars, like on the Unimog - the engine won’t hold up and the whole car will start to break down

Thank you.

Very true although we would love to see how much closer the Iveco could get with 40 inch tyres and no load in the rear. It is super heavy!

@@4WDTV The other three are spot on and being new are very probably cheeper to run.

not a bad summation 😁@@danielmarshall4587

Thank you for the offer. Please book our tickets 😜

glad you are joking as anyone with any experience knows that all three of these smaller rides are far faster and more comfortable on the bitumen. The Unimog is king of the tracks but it's a slow horrible ride to get anywhere and to get home. Then again, fit slightly larger tyres to the Iveco and considerably lighten the load in the back, and that would be a far closer competition off road. The fact is that the Iveco is super capable off road but leaves the Mog for dead when it comes to touring and comfort, let alone a modern fit out. 😁

Alos Gaz, Acco, Fuso and many more

Nah, Dakar trucks are not designed to handle off-road like this. They're built for high-speed rallying. Stock Kamaz will be better there. But in this class of trucks you should compare a GAZ-66, it can be a good competitor to Unimog.