you are the hackneyed-cliche King. You should say the above in that ridiculous voice Christian Bale used when he's Batman. That's when he delivers his best tiresome platitudes.
@@parrysmith6565 It's not as easy of a fix as you seem to think lol. You can't fix this issue on ventures without changing the geometry and stability, so it isn't worth it for venture to piss off the people who already like riding their trucks. It's a precise engineering problem to retain the venture feel while freeing up space around the outside bolts. Trucks are finnicky and changing geometry is dangerous for truck brand loyalty. Copying others or attempting to conform to a standard is a big nono, because people WILL NOT CARE if you are yet another indy clone with worse turn. They're just gonna ride what they already like if you change your geometry and blow it. Gotta stand out somehow (IMO ventures do this by having a lot more baseplate/weight beyond the bolt holes compared to other brands which gives them heavy kicks with a ton of pop, as well as hella stability)
Hey Guys, just a FYI RE: Theeve Trucks, they are very naughty. We agreed to sell them our patented BONES bushings when they began, and did so, years ago. After many months, we discovered they were not purchasing our Bushings any more, but still promoting their trucks as having Bones Bushings. After investigating, we learned that they had reproduced our bushings in China, and were representing them as originals. This caused us to sever our relationship and send them a cease and desist letter. If they are still saying that their trucks come with Bones bushing, they are lying to skaters, and if they don't ride like Bones bushings, that's' because they aren't. Some companies outright lie, cheat and steal, so beware.
It’s a good thing that Ben is such an honest, upright guy, because in a sea of California voices, him and his Vancouver accent could convince me to buy anything.
ive skated thunders my entire skate career and on top of grinding perfect the way thunders make riding a skateboard feels, stepping on my friends indy setups but they feel like a soggy waffle
That’s not possible….the thunder baseplate reinforces the tail about 1/2” inch less than Indy’s. If you go back to back on the same board, the kicks with thunder will feel more soggy/flex comparatively.
Glad to see the classic indy come out on top, even after all the methodical breakdowns and benefits of everything else. Some trucks may do specific things better, but only the indy does everything well.
@@d_trick89the axle doesn’t determine the height of the truck. Go to the website it has all the measurements pretty much team thunder are 52mm high and titanium and forged hollow are 51mm high in all sizes 8 inch and up
Ok thanks, I'm at 48:42 and almost freaking out about Thunder not being listed/mentioned. Had to check the comments… It's like having the goat debate and not mentioning Lebron. He's not the goat, but he's up there and obviously has to be discussed.
I went from Krux to Indie Hollows and it took me a couple of weeks to get used to being able to turn so sharply (that and finding the right combo of bushings that didn't instantly split under my fat ass). I still use my Krux and find them fine. They might be designed for the heavier-than-average skater or something.
Those exact venture lows you pulled up are literally the only ventures I actually loved cause venture highs are a weird grind. I also loved Silvers with the thread protectors on them, hated destructos, am now a die hard indy hollow fan. All five setups Indy’s, one with mindys but they’re too heavy
I started skating in 1995. Indys were always the best. We used to get Destructos for free from the shop rep. They were fine back in 1999. Grind Kings were always the most expensive trucks or close to it. My friend rode for them and Grind King Skateboards, which was effectively just a continuation of Society Skateboards. The kingpins on Grind Kings would back out or dig into your board if you threaded them in too tight. That wasn't a problem for Daewon who kept them relevant for a lot of years. Trackers were always the bottom of the barrel and cheapest trucks at the shop. Orions were one of the few trucks I actually broke back in the day -- like the hanger and the kingpin. Just horrible trucks that were kept alive by a great team, which included (if I remember correctly) Kalis, Dyrdek, Koston and Berra (before he was so maligned). I never liked Ventures, but the older guys form the early '90s did as they were genuinely lighter than the rest. There were other dodgy trucks from the '90s. Titan trucks actually sold for more than Grind Kings, but were terrible. Recently, I got a pair of the newer Indys with the kingpin that threads into the base plate. They were given to me. They're horrible unless you like the Matt Rodriguez loose-truck approach. You've got to blue Locktit the kingpin if you want it to not back out. I skated with a few people on companies like Royal who'd ride Indys undercover. Long story short, Indys or Thunders. That's the conclusion I've come to after 27 years riding a skateboard.
The nine club did its thing for years and it was and can still be great, but goddamn the “experience” show is so cringy and useless these days, and the regular show is running out of interesting guests, at least to me. It’s like 1 out of 10 episodes I’m somewhat hyped on the guest. If Hater and Ben did a podcast I’d be there no question.
While I agree with you, this would be better. Nine club is running with the same fumes pretty much, and while I have zero things against the dudes that are running it, they are not that interesting and kind of bland
I think it's worth mentioning that the GK distruptor kingpins snap in half. I had 2 pairs and 3 of my kingpins broke, it's apparently something that happens often enough that they offer to send replacement kingpins. After it sent me mid-bowl run I kinda replied with "Sorry I don't feel safe riding these"
@@pmstuff8420 well I guess I'm gonna put them on a cruiser board. I was stoked to use them for slappys but the advice you have given me sounds as though they are not strong enough for that kind of impact ... Appreciate the advice brotha...
@@j-mac7401 Slappys sound like they would be perfect with the low kingpin but unfortunately I just can't recommend it. As long as you're not doing any hard carving on that cruiser you should be pretty safe though!
Titanium will never work for grinding. In the knife industry with high end Titanium liner lock knives they always put a steel lockbar insert where the Titanium would meet the steel blade so it doesn't stick. Titanium is notoriously sticky against steel and there's no way around it. My ZT 0562ti full Titanium edition has the steel lockbar which makes it buttery smooth when unlocking. Titanium is even kinda sticky in the hand as well. So it's kinda surprising they made a full Titanium truck meant to grind against steel rails when it's widely known it sticks so badly against other metals. They're gonna have to put a layer of steel or something on top of the truck, or blended with the Titanium(though that's very expensive and difficult to do, ie Timascus) or it'll never work. It's probably just way to expensive and difficult to ever work in a truck.
@@zacherynoland8395 He's probably talking about the theeves TiH. Also, apparently it grinds great on ledges, so maybe they're better suited for a street tech skater
Regarding Ace turns, they now have hard bushing that are 94A so the stability is way better on those than standard bushings. Hope more people can try those out!
Thunder Lights are god teir for flatground, prefer them to Venture Lows, Tensor Mag Lights, Mini Logos and Aces. Great VIdeo, the Gifted Hater X Ben Degro-lab is what the skate world needed.
As someone who has been skating almost 20 years and tried almost all truck brands, I always go back to independent and thunder trucks for various reasons. I follow the ben method of setting thunders up with decks that need some more life again. Thunders crisp up the pop and give great stability, but get bad wheel bite. I ride 48mm wheels with thunder and it is great! Independents always feel most like home, and as a 220 pound 6’5 dude, they are most practical for riding anywhere up to 52mm wheels and have the best turn without being too swirly (like ace trucks) for me. I decided to try the destructo mag baseplates 56mm height to stop wheel bite, but I found they don’t turn quite as well as indy, but are pretty close. You just have to throw away there bushings, put in indy bushings, melt some of the pivot cup down, and add wax in there so they (MIGHT) not get stuck when turning. Otherwise, they aren’t a terrible truck. Tensor all terrain trucks are really amazing on grinding concrete, but feel extremely cheap and improper when doing flip tricks. Venture are really stable, and fun to skate when doing manuals, but hesitate when turning and get terrible wheel bite. They also grind ruff. Ace were great when I was younger and swirly wasn’t a big deal (70 pounds ago). The only trouble I had with ace was doing crooks and my truck turning so much that it would slip into nose slide every time. Thinking of trying another set since they have an actual 8.5 size now. Skating 8.38 hangers on 8.5 decks may have been my issue with locking in on pinch grinds with ace trucks.
@@happyfingers55 I'm able to skate 60mm wheels with Indys without much of a wheel bite problem. If I go up to 63 or 64mm, then, I need a 1/8" riser. I think deck and truck width make a difference also. I've mainly been skating 8.25 and 8.5 decks.
Love the synergy between you two. Side note: I remember when I was 12 I had my first real board, a black label green elephant deck and a set of Webb trucks. Best looking trucks ever, they were yellow and they looked so awesome. Good talk from both of you! One Love!
Epic collab. I needed this in my life. I think the weight savings of the Indy Titaniums have more of a place on 159s-169s. I skate 159s on an 8.75 and the Titaniums feel right. Gotta say those Mini Logos turn great, not heavy, pinch and grind great but umm yeah...
Old guy speaking here.... Venture lows were always my go to coming up to my peak skateboarding. Then Monster skate trucks came out. Obviously, they have disappeared since the early 2000's but they were some awesome trucks imho. I never had a problem with them until injuries happened, not truck related.
I skated some Krux briefly in the early 2000's after getting them from a friend, after breaking my trucks. I remember being confused by how loose they were, but they didn't really turn much. Had to tick-tack like a MF with those. They were pretty tall too, but they could grind. Glad to hear nothing's changed, lol. That hole is so enticing, though.
I love the Aera feature lol, lets not forget the DH scene. We pay 600 for a set of trucks. And still go on to spend 200 bucks on bushings. No I'm not joking.
All these bottom trucks have nothing on Element trucks. When I first started skating Element was huge so I wanted everything with that logo. Yes,even the trucks... The guy working at the skateshop straigh up tells me to not buy these. He's trying to push me away from them but I was determined to be all Element head to toe. The next day I go skating and the front trucks literarly splits in two pieaces lol. I was a skinny kid,skating flatgrant and they exploded on me.
I broke a royals base plate on flat as a kid . Went to the skate shop and they gave me another one. Half cabbed off a 3 foot dock and broke another one. I did not ask for a replacement after that. Thunder hollows for life
NO WAY LMAOOOOO THE crossover is insane acc smiled seeing the thumbnail for this just recenty came across your channel but been a longtime fan of Bens, glad this happened
My two favorite skate youtubers collaborate, amazing! I love the grind of tensors but they are light and take a lot of adjustment. I wish they made the mag light without hollow axels and kingpins. It would make them a touch heavier and stronger. They turn great in my opinion and one of the best for manuals. Plus I like being in the naughty category haha.
I had a pair of Orions in the mid 90s. they were my favorite truck at the time. They didn't always have the same hanger. They were closer to the ACE look is now in the 90s
Titanium is stronger than steel but not harder. As in in it won't break or tear but it's definitely not harder and is kind of soft. Harder metals are brittle and will break like Carbon Tungsten that won't scratch but will shatter if you drop it while Titanium won't shatter or break but will scratch very eaisly. In the knife industry Titanium frame locks are extremely good knifes but on the lock itself they always put a steel lockbar insert where the Titanium would meet the steel blade because otherwise the Titanium would stick when unlocking it. My ZT 0562ti full Titanium edition has the lockbar insert on it so it's a smooth unlock action. So Titanium on steel is very sticky and doesn't glide across it well so having a full Titanium truck is gonna do the same thing when grinding.
I've always heard ppl's frustration with bones bushings. I think the whole hernia thing is fixed by using two classic Indy or thunder top washers above the top and bottom bones bushings. Never had blowouts with that, even after retiring a set of trucks at 9 months.
My first pair of trucks were the krux k4s, jesus fucking christ, they did not turn and the fucking pivot cup exploded one day and I was so mad I went to the skateshop and got some indy stage 11 144s on the spot
