thestranger4812 - SOA was basically like a comic book come to life. Mass murders on a regular basis. Hit men in luxury cars, there no element of realness in that show. It was still entertaining if you treat it like a comic book
100% right. It's things like this scene that make shows like this amazing. There's at totally sence of real menace from the biker gang and people at this bar. SOA was good but they might just cast some big guy to be a biker but he's never as convinceing as this
Well in Sons of Anarchy they were the protagonists. And yes while the Sons were painted in a light that made them seem more like anti-heroes, there were plenty of moments where they were thugs as well.
spatorade -They had dave navarro on it looking like a drag queen. The show was a joke. They all wore way too much visible make up and hair dye. Glad you enjoyed it.
There's something so otherworldly about the latter half of this episode. It's almost trancelike and nightmarish in how it's shot and plays out. Everything from the performances to the context of everyone being blazed to hell in all these scenes to the long singular take of the raid going wrong, the shootout, and Rust capturing Ginger. It's horrifying, entrancing, and heart pumping all at once. Definitely one of the best episodes of any show I've ever seen.
Here in New Zealand undercover cops have been drug tested and prosecuted for drug consumption. So short sighted, a cop would have to be simple minded to agree to join the drug squad.
Probably the only thing in the show that felt like a movie sequence that could never really happen for me. Still a well shot and choreographed cool looking scene.
@M Perkins Dissociatives don't "act like a truth-serum"... Stop spreading misinformation. Lower doses would have you fucked up and trippy but still in control, not unlike a psychedelic version of alcohol, and higher doses would have you completely fried and talking nonsense while you fly through the void. There's honestly not many drugs that would fit the bill here, it might be far fetched to think some biker would be such a drug nerd and know about these kind of substances, but I think it's most likely one of the 2C series of drugs or something like 4-ACO-DMT or another psychedelic RC. It's what I'd use in a situation like this anyway. Fast acting, high nasal bioavailability, and enjoyable if you have nothing to hide and you're at peace with yourself, and utter hell if you have things to hide and aren't.
The bearded guy is fucking smart. He's offering Rust that bump and then giving him a straight up question to see how he responds while his mind is completely gone.
@@thomasschulze6715 they 'technically' arent allowed. Life threatening is any situation that might expose them. Not being used to drugs can literally get you killed if someone offers you a bump on the spot.
@@robertswitzer990 I thought 3 was alright but the ending was very meh. 2 was very misunderstood though and couldn't live up to the high bar the first season set.
You perfectly described how I felt between the differences between the shows. SOA: Wow being apart of a biker crew looks cool! " True detective: " gets scared just from watching rust and ginger interact. "
considering how he was just a "floater" as he described it and the feds would just use him where most useful, those years of his undercover work would be brutal as fuck. I'd pay top dollar for more Rust lmao.
Oh Yes!!! Joseph Sikora is a brilliant actor, every role he does is great and there were quite a few roles in his career like "Ginger and Tommy Egan" were he completely disappears in terms of appearance and speech, he Is a Talent Guy!
Ozzy Damn...my thoughts exactly, I was just about to post that....he kilt the role!!!! For a role that size and in my opinion one of the most memorable guys from the show
They captured the ruthlessness and chaotic lifestyle of outlaw biker gangs soo fucking well in this scene.. the acting, the writing, the environment, everything about this scene was perfectly executed in a way i have never seen done with biker gangs.. but it makes sense since this show was just amazing in its own right..
the follow up scene where they attack a rival gangs house is so well done and shot as well, the chaos, cops pulling up, camera following rust making you feel like youre walking next to him
One reason this show was so great was even side characters just seemed so fleshed out. Ginger the crazed biker seems to have a deep history despite only having maybe 10 to 15 minutes total of screen time.
I’m 29 and I’ve lived here in Florida, Northeast Florida, since birth. Born in 1989. Been to a few Beer Burns just like this scene. Way out in the woods, beer n’ burn barrels, Bikers, Alice In Chains blastin on the radio, palmettos and mossy oak n’ pine trees, creeks full of gators and water moccasin nests. Writer & Director of “True Detective” is brilliant at creating realistic atmospheres.
@@Katiekay. Are you stupid? Florida is still the major home of the Outlaws and many other MCs. And where he's talking about, northeast florida, he painted that picture perfectly. You're hollywood, you think because all you see on TV like Sons of Anarchy is bikers out west then they can't exist elsewhere, get your head out of the cloud.
As great of a job as Mathew does in this series, Joseph Sikora is right there blow for blow with him in this scene. The transformation he made into this biker outlaw Ginger is simply awesome.
Sopranos, The Wire, and Season 1 True Detective. Those three are god-tier for me. But out of all of them TD1 was the most profound. Its almost perfect. I think about the ending all the time.
@@Somnivore7 I agree with you. The sopranos, the wire, breaking bad etc all hall of fame great shows that will go down as some of the best. But this single season of television I think is genuinely flawless from beginning to end.
I agree. What makes TD1 so amazing is that for all of the brilliant dialogue, remarkable acting, and excellent plot, they managed to build and build and build, and then have the last two lines of the series actually be the best part of the entire season.
@@brakesforsnakes757 yeah everyone told me how great of an actor he is but I’ve only seen him in ozark and he was by far the weakest actor on the show. He’s good in this scene though.
The biker gang from this episode is the most intimidated I've ever been by a "TV/Movie gang". It felt way too real and like an accurate depiction of a gang. Instead of the usual caricatures you are accustomed to seeing. Where gangsters have these over the top (and sometimes even charming) personality traits. These guys were just fucking cold, scary and all business.
From Ogden, UT and can attest from a few Outlaw MCs we have or have had, this is realistic. Sundowners (native), Barons, Vagos were here for a period, you see some Mongols MC from SLC/West Utah from time to time. You do not want to fuck around with them. Knew an associate of the Sundowners and although he was a cool dude and loved the music I played at the bar (Stoner/Sludge/Doom metal), I kept my distance. Would wear 'Support Your Local Sundowner' shirts and Support/In memmorium shirts as well. When I saw this scene, it was all too familiar. Live about 15 min away from Sundowners clubhouse by the railroad.
@Valzac Entertainment First, I spent my entire life (until very recently) living in Chicago and Detroit. Did 6 months in Wayne County jail in Detroit. Shared bunk beds with multiple “real gangsters”. Safe to say, I know a little bit on the topic. Second, that’s irrelevant, as I said “it FELT way too real”. I was speaking on a feeling that the scene invoked in me. Third, the guy who commented above you who had run ins with real biker gang types is attesting it’s an accurate depiction. Fourth point is just a reiteration of point number two, it’s all irrelevant as I was merely commenting on a feeling the scene invoked. But thanks for pointing out it’s a fictional story!!! (Holy shit… some people, I tell ya)
Rust is visibly fucked up throughout the next few scenes. They go back to their bayou safe house and smoke/snort crank for hours. Rust is well versed in drugs, but mostly in downers, not uppers. Notice how his eyes remain wide and pupils dilated, breaths heavy, sweaty throughout. His behavior during the project raid scene is one of the most accurate portrayals of tweaking on crystal meth I've ever seen. Twitchy, jerky, but very quick. Crank gives you a sixth sense. You can finish other people's sentences and anticipate their movements seconds before they make them. In the early days, at least.
Undercover cop? Maybe Rust? Just another day, in fact I think he secretly likes the drugs. After all drugs are pretty hard not to enjoy. Unfortunately.
@@hl8808exactly because of what you just said? He just handed him a few thousand bucks like it was nothing, and offered more of that if they make a deal. Thats like a dream come true for strert gangsters lol
I need a version of this on youtube where you can hear Melvins at the start of the scene and Sleep at the end. 2 bands you don't expect to hear in a tv show.
Good acting with the line of coke. I think he really does that from time to time to feel his character. But overall great acting ,looks as if he really took it straight to the head
that was probably a sp33dball (meth/heroin)... It's a really heavy rush with complete opposites all at once. This is like a gang truth serum of sorts bc he waits almost the perfect amount of time until he see's Rust get wobbly, before asking him the same question again but with details.
@@ipawilzon God damn. I went ahead and smoked some weed on top of a little amount of speed one time. At one point I could feel a dreadful 'hump' in my heart, not like skipping a beat, but like a blood clot going through the thing, and it felt like the most awful thing in the world. And to take a speedball would amplify that feel possibly tenfold and more, YIKES. But then again we're all different so maybe hits different for others.
Seems to me that 'Crash' is more an alternate personality than an alter-ego, probably tying into his hallucinations and stuff. To me, when he's in Carcosa, the final hallucination of the spiraly-swirl represents a synthesis of the two personalities in a Solve-et-Coagula kinda way. Made whole again, he digs deep and delivers those killer headbutts. Just my take.
Especially after when they think they caught the killer, rust was definitely going through it. It was both of a mix of crash and rust the cop, He was going against orders and the such you could feel him going off the deep end.
@@Frazer2yeah good point. He knew he had to be that bad man keeping the other bad men from the door. God, season 1 was one incredible piece of television
This show is so good, they gave so much attention in every detail like when Rust gave the bag of cocaine to Ginger, he didn't just put the bag in his pocket, he let the air out of the bag first and then closed the zip. That was brilliant cause your eye is not supposed looking there.
Holy shit only just realised reading the comments that the actor playing Ginger is the same guy who plays Tommy in Power 😮 watched True Detective 1 about four times and seen every episode of Power and never knew!! That’s a fuckin damn talented actor!!!
Well it may not have been a truth drug but in my opinion it was Ginger's attempt at getting to the truth lol :) So in a way your first thought can be partially true?
thought the same thing. and then it seemed as if rust was trying to resist the effect, delaying his answer as much as he could. lol, would've been an entirely different scene all together.
That is basically how truth drugs work. They don't "force" you to tell the truth, they make it harder to maintain a complex set of lies; it's a lot harder to keep your story straight when you're out of your mind on drugs.
All drugs are truth drugs in the right situation. Except weed which just makes you paranoid and weird lol. But really, give someone booze, coke, meth, mdma, heroin... They will tell you anything especially if they think you are just as high as them. But real truth serum is specifically designed to mix up your mind...different than street drugs which just get rid of your inhibitions and become more open.
I can’t get over the casting in this show. I recognize a fair amount of the actors but then they got guys like Reggie Ledoux and Ginger where I’ve never seen them before OR since and it adds to making them scarier.
These actors are great at eye contact when I do theatre it’s hard to say crazy things to someone dead in the eyes you almost believe someone is actual mad at you for a second
this is such an intimidating scene from the start: the distant, glazed look on ginger as he asks a question then proceeds to stare off into empty space, the sudden ball grip followed by a declaration of love for the outlaw life! Jeez, I felt like MY life was in danger.
The guy that plays ginger plays James Barr in “Jack Reacher” He looks so different with his hair reversed...... Also in “Charlie Wilson’s war” and “shutter island” where he played the guard that left his post. And he was margaret’s husband in the pilot of “boardwalk empire” Directed by Martin Scorsese himself. He can play ginger and he can play James Barr. Two very different characters, and I watched both and didn’t even notice until I saw his IMDb. Everyone says everything is “underrated” these days. He’s really actually underrated
There was some pretty nasty shit in The Sons of Anarchy tbf. But the main difference here is the mood and that in SAMCRO we saw a protagonist and here Rust is going undercover in a very hostile and dangerous setting. It's scary the first time because we really fear for Rust and Marty during this episode.
I was wondering what mix he gave rust and im pretty sure it was a speedball (meth/heroin)... It's a really heavy rush with complete opposites all at once and makes you cloudy and the burning of the meth in the nasal cavity along with the rush makes it VERY hard to remember fake details or just lie badly... AT LEAST THATS WHAT IVER HEARD FROM A FRIEND. I can see it as an improvised truth serum of sorts bc he waits almost the perfect amount of time for the drip about to hit the back of his throat and until he see's Rust get wobbly.. then asks him the same question again but with added details about Russ's contact with the coke. If Rust was lying or not a good UC, then any slight change in the base story or delay when recalling details, then he knows whether or not to be sus. It def wasnt coke bc the reason he is there is to get to the cook.. and is offering the stolen evidence coke for trade since the cook only cooks for them exclusively after getting out of prison. Also, the nose check that Ginger does was about as accurate as it gets when checking to see if someone fakes it. Those two flow so good on screen. They should def do a prequel of when they were in the gang together during Rusts time as a UC
Reminds me of a real life hero, Lt Speirs from Easy Company (feat. in Band of Brothers). It's unbelievable, except that its true. He ran through enemy lines, across a town, to link up with a small flanking group of American soldiers to warn them about the main groups advance, under heavy fire (apparently, the Germans were so shocked, they initially didn't shoot). Then, he goes back - through even heavier German fire and makes it to the other side, linking up with Easy again, saving countless lives. He was promoted to Easy's Commander. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Speirs Band of Brothers clip of Speirs running: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-76XTG6dFgx0.html&ab_channel=Michael
that was the greatest part of the season......when rust had to go triple undercover off the books to advance the case................insane brilliant writing.......
