Cohle isn't really there for the file he's there to probe the reverend. He's wanted a face to face with him to study his response. Cohle approaches the discussion similar to how he interrogates suspects in the police station. First, it's a compliment, then he builds to his main point.
@@934istbut he fucks the ENTIRE investigation up with this visit. And allows Errol to go on killing for another 17 years. All so he could confirm his suspicions? Couldn’t he have done that without telling Billy Lee “I’m going to be investigating you for murder! Don’t let your first cousin, Eddie, the governor of this state that I am an employee of, to know about it or he’ll get me pulled from the case!?”
The fact that creatures like Tuttle can exist and go unpunished is a direct disproof of God IMO. No loving God could allow predators to disguise themselves as their servants. Hence God is either deliberately cruel, or simply not there at all.
Knuspabrot ... You say you want God to take out the bad guys, but I bet you have a problem with the stories of the Great Flood and the Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. 🤣
@@Knuspabrot The interpretation of God and the rest is way, way out of bounds, rough, conceptual, idealistic, poetic if you like, far from real. The God is unity, which is everything, everything is one, this makes you God, but it does not mean you can shoot lightning out of your fingers, and no one, no one can prove that concepts of good and bad apply to reality and it's not just us getting away with our imaginations.
Tuttle did say it was built in the 80’s when ‘Mega churches’ really started to be a big source of money. Tuttle is definitely the kinda guy who would think that he’s so important that he shouldn’t have to open a door and loves to pretend he’s God (I mean he did horrible things using the church as a cover up to appear innocent and good🙄)
I can't help but notice that Tuttle seems to have the same eye for weakness as Rust. Notice how as soon as Rust mentions Austin Ferrar, and Tuttle realizes how close Rust is to the conspiracy, Tuttle makes sure to mention how many souls have been lost down a bottle. And that a man who can't trust himself with a beer can't be trusted. I think he can look at Rust and see his weakness: self-medication and deprivation.
+Jefferson Bretthauer I think Tuttle's close ties with his state police department and the senior members of the PD, speak of Rust's personal life and his struggle with self-medicating behind his back,
+jbrettha jbrettha Agreed. However, I think there's an important distinction. Reverend Tuttle's eye for weakness comes from a lifetime spent preying on others for his own narcissistic gratification. Conversely, Rust has honed his perceptiveness by ruminating on every flaw and frailty within himself out of sheer self-loathing. In that regard, they're almost perfect foils of one another.
It was a chess like conversation. They were playing with each other trying to realize how much each one knew about all that dead people. Rust wins at the end, rejecting the files verification, because he get the answer at that moment. This scene gave chills.
Enemies of alcohol can often have a very keen eye for the signs. They can smell the subtle undercurrent. See around the eyes. They usually have an alcoholic parent or grandparent.
IZn0g0uDatAll because youre blind to the realities of the world. Sad even after Epstein, Prince Andrew, Jimmy Saville, the royal family in general, people still choose to stay asleep
@@IZn0g0uDatAll There is defiantly evidence that is credible to support it; not to mention just the psychology of people in positions of great wealth and power. Certainly not all of them, but for a percentage, once they have everything and have done everything (everything not fucked up), nothing else really does it for them anymore. They constantly seek out more and more edgy shit until one day... you get the point. That and just the idea that they have attained such power that they can do stuff like that and not get in trouble is appealing in itself. There has been much written on it throughout history, not just recent times, by credible historians. Go look, defiantly there
@@ReasonablyBadActor There is zero evidence to support it. It's Q-anon level of crap. You people believe you are skeptical. You are just aggressively gullible, to a level that is staggering. Any diarrhea of a conspiracy is good enough as long as it fits your prejudices.
That subtle flute music at 2:40 is just perfect. Really captures the notion of Tuttle as a man capable of terrible things, and his little backhander to Rust about alcoholism as a mild deflection to Rust being on to him, as much as it shows that a cat-and-mouse game between the two has begun.
And also when the flute comes in again at 03:05. It fits so well with Tuttles reaction and realization that Rust is onto him and is on his way to discover the conspiracy.
"When we get the school voucher program instituted, we'll reintroduce the idea. People should have a choice in education like everything else." AKA "We're going to keep making children disappear eventually." Fucking eerie.
He wasn't interested in archives, he wanted face-to-face w/ Tuttle to take his measure and see how he reacted to "dead women and children." He wanted to look evil in the eye. I think Rust saw enough to confirm his instincts, and definitely hit a nerve with Tuttle and pierced his facade a bit. Extremely well acted by both men.
Love this scene because you can tell at a certain point during the conversation that Rust figures out that Tuttle is hiding something and is onto him, but at the same time the reverend figures out that Rust knows, so it's almost like a conversational standoff between who can make each other blink first
I've always also seen his last comment about how he'll be in the reverend's thoughts as a veiled threat so Rust would know when he got pulled in and suspended over it he'd know the Reverend wouldn't forget about anyone who tried poking their nose too far into his business. And yea, he knew he had the pull and connections to stop him way before he could ever find anything to pin on him, but he never imagined Rust was willing to lose his job for it and still keep looking to get his hands on the tape hidden in his safe. Sick bastard
It's like a chess match and high-stakes poker game and both of them are trying to play their opponent without showing their own cards. It's interesting trying to pinpoint the pivotal moments in the conversation. They both start with normal pleasantries and fluffing each other up complimenting each other's good deeds and contributions, then Rust asks about the Wellspring Schools which the Reverend is great at deflecting without really giving up anything. Rust says he's just looking for some tax info to see how he reacts about Wellspring and the ministry's connection to it, so when Billy tries to just hand him off to a clerical worker after making it clear that the program and paper trail essentially dissolved with the schools and "flooding" of most of what scant records the ministry would have ever had Rust reels him back in by mentioning former deacon Austin Ferrar. This was Rust's way of making it obvious that his visit isn't about benign long-gone records since Ferrar had found hidden child porn before he was dismissed. The Reverend does a good job of maintaining his composure and keeping his poker face on while also making it known that the church's bases are covered regarding Ferrar as his dismissal was blamed on his embezzling church funds and Rust's continued digging by inferring a connection to his accident shortly thereafter he blames on Ferrar's drinking problem. Then the Reverend finally starts to show a hint of his hand by taking a personal jab at Rust and his own ongoing struggle with the bottle. Rust reacts with an almost unflinching smirk and when he can't hide his curiosity about why Rust is asking bringing all this up and asks what it's all about Rust knows he's got him cornered and lays it all out on the table by answering without a moment of hesitation "Dead women and children." The Reverend tries to act surprised and concerned without giving Rust any indication of his knowledge or involvement but he's noticibly shaken and Rust knows it, so he tries to subtly inquire about what Rust knows but Rust stops him dead by saying he can't say anything more about it, kind of a subtle way of implying that he's the one asking the questions here. Knowing he's got nothing more to gain at this point from continuing the conversation that's quickly turning into an interrogation he changes the subject, once again offering to hand him off to a records clerk and stands up to show him the door to remind him they're on his turf. As a power play, Rust lets him know that he's got him up against the ropes and he knows it by standing up and instead of allowing himself to be escorted out the door and dimissed he walks instead past the Reverend to gaze casually out the window as if to say I'm not going anywhere just yet, but the Reverend makes it apparent that he's not giving up any more by deflecting his question about why the program closed down rather than implying or acknowledging any connection of it all.
"At the same time, it's hard to trust a man who can't trust himself with a beer." It's as if that comment communicates to Rust that Tuttle knows more about Rust's personal history than he could have ever imagined.
Reminds me of the scene with DeWall tbh. You can hear in his voice that he recognizes the look of someone who's been in the deep end. Him, Tuttle and Maggie were the only characters that ever got a solid read on Cohle.
@@stuffylamb3420 Sorry Stuffy but you might want to revisit the first episode. About 40 minutes in there is a scene where Rust shows up to Marty's house for dinner drunk. When Marty questions him about it, Rust explains that he didn't mean to get drunk and that he chooses to abstain from drinking because he has had problems with it before. This happened long before his conversation with Tuttle. So even in that early stage of the series we learn that Rust has a difficult time trusting his self-control with drinking a beer, just like Tuttle intimated.
@@accvid7930 The Yellow king is satan. Not the fat guy who got head blown up at the end. Not tuttles. It's a deity whom those cults worshipped in the show. Their Godlike figure. It's been practicing for thousands years raping, killing, sacrificing innocent people in the name of Satan by cults. He has different name in different places but its the same thing. Like God in different regions calls Yahweh,Jehobah, Elah, Allah etc etc. Its from the same root. The ultimate evil = Satan.
@@ChrisBrown-ir6sf Satan doesn't exist though. Plus killing, raping, and sacrificing has been done in the name of God by millions and millions of Christians.. So yea pick your poison.
@@_Cato_ A part of me really wanted them to go FULL OCCULT with the ending but in hindsight I think it's most impressive that they managed to exercise restraint and keep it all implicit and in the background to the very end. It makes for a slightly dissatisfying anticlimax but I think it leaves the ambience to be much more haunting this way.
I just noticed that by refusing to go to the archives, Rust might have avoided getting murdered. The Reverend said he will call ahead - possibly telling them to take care of Rust. Rust felt the possibility and rejected the offer. Remember, Rust is there without authorization from hiss boss, nobody knows he's there, and Reverend is aware of that after the conversation... Bullet dodged.
I was waiting for somebody else to notice this! Rust knows too...he doesn't even think twice before immediately rebuking the offer to go to some archive where they can make him disappear.
Killing a cop is absolutely not what he was planning to do, unless he has a death wish. That’s opening a whole ocean of problems for the reverend that might even surpass the issues he’s having with the “dead women and children”. Given what he was known to be working on at the time, this would have been a catastrophic mistake
@@tomoconnell2320 It's not a problem if Rust didn't tell anyone he was there. He wasn't exactly phoning into station with every move he made. Also, Rust has no family in the area and the Reverend most assuredly knew this since he know about Rust's drinking. Also, if he made Rust disappear, who's going to rat him out? Half the force is paid off or part of the cult. And his partner, Marty, is not exactly ambitious or a go getter, and going to start delving that deeply into what happened to Rust. If Rust didn't think it was a possibility he was in danger, why in the hell would he not take to opportunity to peruse extremely useful information he was being offered? Just not in the mood to work on the only thing that consumes his mind night and day? Doubtful. There is no problem killing a cop if the body never shows up anywhere.
No, no no. It was a way of saying I know I won't find anything anyway because of the "flood" that destroyed the archives, but I also that know you are lying hence I got everything already need.
@@Turk_2023 nah he didn't hate her. he was angry at her but understood what she had to do. i think it's ep 7 or 8 where rust and marty are in the car and rust says to marty "shit i sure blamed you" marty laughs and asks what for. and rust says "for pushing a good woman to the point where she had to use me, use our partnership to get rid of you. because you were being a lying sack of shit" he doesn't hate maggie.
Behemoth (/bɪˈhiːməθ, ˈbiːə-/; Hebrew: בהמות, behemot) is a beast mentioned in Job 40:15-24. Suggested identities range from a mythological creature to an elephant, hippopotamus, rhinoceros, or buffalo. Metaphorically, the name has come to be used for any extremely large or powerful entity. True detectives
it also ties in to his big body. remember the junkie in jail. he says there was so much good killing down there, he is a big man so i dont tell him to stfu. all tuttles kids were big
I could write a whole essay on how much I love it when the entire tone of the conversation changes when Cohl drops the name Austin Ferrar. The acting direction in this show is outstanding, almost every single scene a layer of subtext that you only pick up on a rewatch or with careful analysis
Rust lets Tuttle know that he’s already talked to Ferrar about why he left or was rather “dismissed” and most likely that Ferrar told Rust about the pictures of children. At that point Tuttle deflects and lies about what really happened the “embezzled funds” and drinking problem that doubles as a jab at Rust. Brilliant conversation writing
@@1headphoneguyrust never meets or talks to ferrar, neither do we as the audience meet him. You’re confusing him with the preacher himself, which isn’t the case. The preacher tells Rust about Austin and the pictures he found, who then plays it off because he was probably part of the whole thing.
One of the best things about this season is that Tuttle never got what was coming despite so obviously deserving it. Such an eerie vague ending to this plot and season. Showrunner really showed restraint with that. These people are still out there, and these sorts of horrors will continue. God this was such a good season of television.
Didnt he “kill himself” after Rust took the tape from his house? He definitely died as a consequence for dealing with the cult. Rust just helped expedite his end.
Tuttle dies with his legacy unblemished and the whole cabal of scumbags surrounding the conspiracy remain unidentified. That scene at the end where Rust is at the hospital watching the news just to learn any association surrounding Senator Tuttle has been “discredited” really drives it home.
The polished nature of everything and even the little subtle nod of employees on Segways is an effective way to show that Tuttle has wormed his way into modernity from the creepy depths of his secret cult.
So many great moments pointed out in the comments about this chess match, like Rust's look of 'I got him, this is the guy' at 3:29. But my personal favorite is at 3:58 when Tuttle's like, "We'll reintroduce the idea." With that subtle statement, he basically twists the knife on Rust: 'Yeah. I'm in on it. Not only that, but I have plans to bring all of it back.' Evil is such a diva---it can't help itself when others want to find it. Great performances.
but that is coming from a reverend, the christian way of saying would go something like you'll be in my thoughts and prayer. But since the reverend is against Rust, he leaves the prayer part out of it.
the acting from minute 3:00 on is simply mind blowing. Look at Mcconaughey's mannerism, gesture and body language, oscar level acting. Needless to say, the whole scene and dialogue are also superb. I finished the series and can't stop watching the best parts over and over again.
Remember just watching this episode and saying in my head to myself like I was Rust. "Tuttle you sick fucking piece of shit. I know what you've been up to. Just came to hear you lie."
I just watched the series, so just to clarify - this reverend was a participant in those rituals with the little girls? Like the tape Marty watched in Rust's storage?
I like to think the neon cross is symbolic of Tuttle. The cross is empty, filled with nothing, no real morals, only having a border protecting what is really within but no one can see, its part of his facade. At first glance it is intriguing but it is not representative of traditional values, its unfitting. Just my take on it, this show makes me analyze everything because of the small details.
Truly a masterclass from both men and a perfect example of the multiple layers present in the writing where one can watch and a single detail or even just a tiny pause or a look can convey deeper levels still. It truly is as if both men aren't reading from a script but involved in a dynamic cat and mouse, move and countermove each determining the next and constantly reassessing they're opponent and adjusting they're tactics. Both have that eye for weakness, Tuttle doesnt launch into any Dewaldian metaphysical monologues or profiles of Rust but he clearly sees that same darkness swirling about Rust that Dewald did and understands this is that rare type of bad man, one who had already against all odds confronted Reggie and Dewald in the dragons lair and came out the winner. Rust represented what Tuttle had never actually seen before a legitimate threat who saw him for who he really was.
The cube on the building is the first tell. It’s a reference to the cube of Saturn. Which is the satanic connection. That’s why it is so out of place and Rusty mentions how interesting (strange) the building is and the reverend just conveniently overlooks that and pretends Rusty was tossing a compliment and talks about how the campus has grown. The other tells that the Christian campus is just a mockery...is everything with the reverend and his office is first class except the dollar store neon cross. He is wearing a thousand dollar suit, $300 perfect hair cut, silver tongue, gold rings and watch, leather and mahogany furniture, automatic doors...and then this cheap ass neon cross. Just putting it in your face and mocking everyone who follows him and the ministry.
Love that the wooden doors, which are traditionally opened by hand, are automated. Gives a supernatural feel to the meeting, like doors opening and closing on their own in a haunted house
@@Deira854 Breaking bad wasn't close to the level of True Detective s1. I agree 1000%. This os art. Breaking bad was entertaining and everything but it's not the same. In fact I'd put this and The Shield way above Breaking Bad
" I've seen more souls lost down a bottle than any pit, at the same time it's hard to trust a man who can't trust himself with a beer, don't you think?" - Omar Little
Of all the fiction depicted by this show, (in season 1) this scene is PROFOUNDLY accurate. Allow me to explain: VERY often predators hide in the perfect place...among the sheep. And, on the surface, they blend very well. Impossible to differentiate for most people...well, in the short-term. But, after you spend a lot of time with them, their facade will begin to crack. That is, if you ALLOW yourself to entertain the possibility they might be predators. You might notice the following: their smiles NEVER reach their eyes; instead, their eyes ALWAYS remain cold and calculating, GUARDED. Their words may come-out lifeless, threatening, or aloof. The way they touch something will look odd, as if caressing something in a sexual way. Or, perhaps when you are with them, you're subconscious will start screaming, "Something is wrong. Something is wrong. Danger." Human-beings are REMARKABLE are picking up IMPOSSIBLY subtle clues. Absolutely remarkable. So, if you know a teacher, priest, boss, politician, police-officer, who you find ODD in some way, there is a REAL chance they are predators. I've (ALLEGEDLY) known 3 or 4 people who are sick-fucks, and EACH ONE was in a position of power with regards to employment. Power over children, adults, or possibly BOTH. This is NO ACCIDENT. Predators INTENTIONALLY SEEK-OUT employment opportunities which might aid them in their quest to DOMINATE and ABUSE people. In MY experience, this is the ONLY THING which brings them JOY.
So spot on! My father is one of these types of people, a predator, a sociopath, A CONTROL FREAK, and a business man. He manipulated, gas lighted, and mentally abused me and my mother. My mother was already a mentally sick women when they met and he loved how much he could manipulate her, but he didn’t actually love her. He was a twisted man. Always so good at charming people with his surface level social skills, but always burnt bridges with everybody that spent enough time around him. Took me a very long time to truly understand that he was truly a sociopath. Everything about him was a facade. Fake. But every so often he would crack and I could get a peak through the curtain and see the dark person he truly was. If he hadn’t made a bunch of money in business I seriously think he would have ended up in Prison for who knows what. He still might. He’s a scary man, and the older I get the more I’m tripped out he’s my father. I just feel lucky to survived it all. My mother is in way worse shape from the decades of mental abuse living with him.
When he says it's hard to trust a man who can't trust him self with a beer. He was indirectly throwing a dig into Rust. Like he had checked out rust and his background and knew he wasn't well liked on the force.
He knew everything about him and Marty. The affairs, the drinking, probably knows more about Rust narco days than anyone in Louisiana. That's the first step with men like this and of these resources, find out everything about you to discredit and destroy you if it comes to that, kill you in a drunken wreck like Ferrar or a love triangle in Marty case, it would all hold water and the cops would close it quick to sweep all the sordid details under the carpet to not dishonor an officer's memory. Walk you into ambush, hero cops killed by meth head etc. Tuttle has the connections and reach to find all the dirt, all the redacted material in Rust file. In the bible belt Rust not believing in God, being very unpopular with other cops, Tuttle would have even good cops think they were doing Gods work by helping him or there just straight corrupt or revenge on Rust like when he smacked Steve, he would probably speak at there funerals and have Eddie the governor pin a medal on there corpse and hand Maggie a folded flag. That's why everything had to be off book, Rust breaking into his house and him and Marty going it alone. Even good cops can be used as pawns and not even know it. Know you're enemy as you know yourself. Happens all the time in the real world. Shoot unarmed people and put a gun in there hand and some dope on the table minus what they steal, the cops who end up in court are the ones who just messed up, the real evil ones get medals, plan it out, there cops they know how to get away with it and leave no witnesses except there fellow officers. Men like Tuttle we never even hear about there crimes, there army of cops and judges and politicians make sure of it.
He was throwing a dig at Rust. The way I took it, was he said that as a way to show Rust how easily he could discredit him for being a drunk and having these wild theories.
OMG!!!!!!! Reverend Tuttle is The Yellow King! Look at the white-yellow hue of the building and office,and especially his tie! After seeing the series, in-full, again, the clues are all there to a myriad of things.
ExposingZionistEvil he's not the yellow king, he probably played an important part in the clan and had control over thugs like childress and ledoux but once that videotape went missing they wiped him away too.
@@glutamin111Actually Reverend Billy Tuttle was the Yellow King. His father Sam Tuttle was the Yellow King before him, and Sam's father was probably the Yellow King before that and so on back to the founding of America. Remember they had been in Louisiana (A long time) and were an ancient family. When the reverends house gets broken into and they find the child sacrifice tape and he Tuttle later "kills himself" Childress takes over as the Yellow King as there are no Tuttles left taking part in the cult. By 2012 the cult was mostly a shadow of what it used to be. The body being found in 1995 and the reverends school system going bust made it to hard for them to operate any longer. But Sam's "other families" (childress and ledoux) tried to keep the cult going.
At 3:22 when Tuttle inquires about the investigation, Rust touches the side of his nose twice as he says that he "can't speak about it." I believe this is a subtle gesture used by espionage groups and other sketchy secret keepers to non-verbally communicate to another person that they know a secret or classified piece of info.
A lot of police do that as well when they are interrogating the main suspect of a crime. It’s a subtle way of saying “I know more than you think that I do and I’m onto you”
I think it's in response to rustin catching on to him. He said it's hard to trust a man who can't trust themselves with a beer. That I also feel is him saying he knows personal things about rust as well. It makes sense considering that the task force he runs and other officers are working for him which might indicate that he's getting his information from them about rustin since rustin is making alot of noise about the yellow king and missing children again.
BIGBIRD208 Yeah I picked up on that too. There must have been gossiping at the police station rust works at, with one of the police chiefs and Tuttle, for him to know of Rust. The pit part of the comment made me wonder though.
Alonzo Stanway rust and Marty got close when they got Reggie and Dewalt that's why the schools shut down and rust knows that. I'm sure he knows everything about rust from the time he came down about the task force he probably never dreamed they would get as far as they did.
"any pit" is just a general biblical reference as hell or the way to it is often called "the pit". But yeah, I believe the real importance of the line is just a cloaked reference to Rust's alcoholism.
Tuttle made the comment about “not trusting a man who can’t trust himself to have a beer” to let Rust know that digging into peoples past goes two ways
i don't think its about digging into peoples past. I think it's a veiled attack at how easily Rust can be discredited due to his drug use and alcoholism. Rust is not worried about anything he uncovers from his past.
I just think it's hilarious that Tuttle played ranch wilder in angels in the outfield and Matthew played williams in angels in the outfield. Now 20 years later here they are in the most unsettling scene I've witnessed in television.
This is such an insane scene. Right off the bat we get a view of the entire Church campus with Segways rolling around and neon crosses on the wall with random pictures of people praying. Such a good eerie environment. Shows how much money Churches have that they don't know what to spend on other than stupid crap like Segways.
earlier today I watched the first season of the show episodes 1 through 5!!! so beyond fantastic I'll likely finish it up later tonight especially since it's like just 3 more episodes left.....