Trump’s ‘personal shortcomings’ have become a ‘bonus’ for evangelical Christians, says Tim Alberta 

Yep they cheer everytime Trump does damage to America.

Not all of us…

@@dulainelough2399but WAY too many

@@dulainelough2399 Well that’s good news! I always wondered how Christians, who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus, can support and vote for Republicans. Republicans in our government certainly don’t vote for legislation that actually helps the poor, the hungry, the homeless, immigrants, or the “widows and orphans”. They are Christians in name only.

​@@msdixie1 You may be right, but I would encourage you not to judge a philosophy (or theology) by those who abuse it.

I've had similar experiences, hang in there and keep telling your truth

@@gosburn4872 Thank you for the encouragement.

As a non-Christian, it was helpful to hear Tim Alberta speak about the Evangelical perspective. This idea of a real battle between the darkness and the light. In Buddhism, this is very similar. It seems to me, having read The New Testament and The Old, that Jesus chose to lean toward the light - calling on people to find it, choose it, in and for themselves and operate from that place in our daily lives. Not forcing it on others. Certainly, never with violence and hatred. I don't wish violence on Trump or any of his followers. Brava, to you for writing and speaking out. I hope you can find more like-minded Christians with whom to practice your living faith. 🙏

@@greentara291 Thank you for your kind and enlightened response and for your encouragement. It was very significant to me. Blessings to you.

@@dianebannister4591 and to you. Thanks for your blessing!

I believe in Jesus Christ period.

@@lickwidnyc But as he points out, are you Christian or try to be Christ-like? Like Tim, my experiences with maga Christians have been of judgment, then aggression then shunning behavior for not praising a dishonest false idol who attempted to break the Constitution! None of which Christ would approve of.

Remember early on in Covid, that church choir who practiced together and they all came down with Covid - several died? They *could* have stayed home in safety and practiced their hymns there. They could have realized that a pandemic is nothing to encourage with close contact and singing - our grandfathers knew this from the 1918 flu outbreak. Instead, they ignorantly tempted fate. If the 'community' is a valid one, it would survive a few weeks off of being together.

@@lickwidnyc Great but if you follow Trump you have embraced a false and evil idol

Nope

It goes way back. In the 70s, Anita Bryant went on an anti LGBT crusade to "save our children " from being "recruited" into the "lifestyle ". Sound familiar?

For now I'd say its his own dishonesty.

totally wrong against those trying to save whats left of ''true christianity'' and america... jerry falwell senior i believe the best strongest christian leader of all of them.. borders alone since obama and biden and will continue until 2024.. and if ''their kind of democracy'' wins again.. way worse will happen... tim is basically a ''blind' democrat... like so many.. as said above to some.. more wars and leaving one in disaster for any christian ''democracy' country since obama and biden..huge debts you can pay ever, higher prices , total illegal invaders not stopped as promised... are just some of the ''democrat style talking democracy'' that we dont truly have.. tim sounded to me and many like the harvard president [still let to stay at high salary] and the penn pres and mit pres talking the same ''democratic'' gobblygook talk ... democracy? and thats what tim sounds like... ''eyeopening'' is what you should do... we hope.. about the fake democracy fed to you and tim types... its alright if you have no children or family who will live in the new ''third world'' democracy being created... and is happening.. the other wars and more wars now did not start under trump.. and most know that trump had russia and many arab muslim countries starting to talk rather than war... we say please pray for self and tim to ''wake up'' at least to true moral ''evangelism"

I'm sorry you're going through that! I know how it felt when I realized so much about my mom. I doubt Trump will run again in four years, but someone of his ilk probably will. The evangelical community is in distress. It sounds like Tim Alberta has seen a lot of what you're experiencing. Insight was what I needed when something happened to me, that's why I'm saying this. I haven't read it, but it might be just what you need right now.

Biden Is a Baby Killer; Full Stop

I'm glad to hear your faith is strong. I'm not Christian or Republican but I deeply respect Jesus' message of The New Testament. I hope you can find a place to gather with other like-minded Christians and practice your faith in community. Where are THOSE churches? We need to hear more of those voices! Take care.

@@greentara291~ I have found the Unitarian Universalist congregation in my town as a very welcoming sanctuary for folks of any denomination who for whatever reason feel unwelcome or out of step with the faith tradition/community they grew up with. I’ve found the UU community just gets down to what’s important ~ worship, fellowship, service while in community. It is very refreshing.

Amen 🫶👌🏻🙏💕

And this name comes as trump

So many people are saying that Trump is Gods chosen one for this nation. They’ve been so blinded that they don’t realize they have turned him into god

Amen❤

​@@samplautz5586They obviously haven't read the parts of the scriptures that relate to people, even the 'elect,' being deceived.

What some members of his former congregation chose to do to him (refuse to offer him the same tolerance and forgiveness they freely offer the biggest con man in American history) is identical to what Adam Kinzinger's family did to him. There should be a club... Either way, it doesn't seem like behavior Christ ever engaged in (throwing a family member under the bus). So quaint.

You American?

@@mikeanderson7549yes

​@@mikeanderson7549probably more so than you and also a true Christian

Is because religion teaches people to believe and not know all the people that is still following trump don't know anything except what they tell them and believe it

power is your answer

If the “real “pastors stood up and spoke the truth BUT the leaders are sucking on trumps financial teat !!!!!!

Man is born imperfect. Thus all preachers are born imperfect. You must have a direct relationship with God... without any imperfect middleman who might unknowingly mislead you. “Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.” - Psalm 51:5 When you face god do not make the mistake of blaming your faulty life upon others... when God himself continuously offered his guidance. Why is the correct path all that difficult to determine?

There are good churches out there. Not all buy into the conspiracy world.

@@LittleRedDorrit-lc5cm hello brother, i know there must be. Unfortunately, I was raised Southern Baptist. Trump has replaced Jesus in their minds. The head of the Southern Baptist Convention is a Trump fanatic. I went to a Christian college in Ky, all my friends from there except one is lost to that world and it’s heartbreaking for me. I worshipped and had fellowship and prayer meetings and I love them with all my heart, but their hearts have hardened and no amount of trying to teach them the truth makes a difference.

Really, you are not because God's word instructs us to fellowship with other believers, and ultimately, we must obey God. Please don't let the off behavior of some Christians distract you from experiencing the peace and joy of God with other believers (John 14:1,27; John 16:33). It's not always easy, but don't let any personal circumstances or world events distract and dislocate you away from living in the full light, life, and love of God in this wonderful, victorious, and overcoming Christian life!!!

@@kenmason4669 That must be lonely and difficult. You're probably right, you won't find a Southern Baptist group that makes sense now. You're not the only person in this bind, worshiping alone.

You will be. Jesus is always with you. Ex-communicating you from your church because of your point of view is the least Christlike thing I can think of. Very sorry.

Many Ha\/e Turned To a Politi[al Party Away From The Man Jesus

Yes ma'am. I hope to see you there ♥. I do believe though, for those of us who have family members who are lost in "the cult": When their time comes, God will show them their mistakes and they will be shown the harm that was caused as a result. However, they will be forgiven . . . as they have been deceitfully misled and manipulated by those seeking power - at all costs. It is extremely hard though to co-exist with our life partners, when primary core values do not align as a result of that person being manipulated by lies - especially for women because we are built in a way that deep connection with our partners requires trust. And if we can't trust them to see the FACTS, then intimacy (i.e. deep connection) with that person suffers greatly. You are not alone. **hugs**

​@@kar1922thank you for your kind reply. It does my heart good to know that I am not alone. It is hard, but the more time passes, the more I am determined that trump and maga are not going to ruin what time I have left with my husband. Thank you again ❤ I appreciate and needed your positive outlook.

@@party_unaffiliated You are so very welcome. I'm not sure why, but something compelled me today to reply to convey this message to you (and others). I further would like to share - - I really feel tRump is going to be defeated in 2024 by the voters. Polls mean nothing - that has been proven in 2022, esp in this case with this tRumplican party. We ARE the SILENT majority. Just because we are not loud and obnoxious and all over social media shouting from the rooftops, this does not make us invisible. - - we WILL turn out 💙💙💙 to save our democracy. Have faith and encourage others to follow to make sure this happens!! ** Hugs to all!! **

It many “ Christian’s” with balls

Senanshortt - Friend - you stated you are not a 'believer'.... as one of those 'believers', let me ask you how you know that this man is an 'honest evangelical'??

@@americanpatriot7247 I’ve heard him on a few interviews and what he says is consistent and makes relative sense

@@senanshortt5521 Yes, agreed he makes sense when one listens to his words which we understand. There are many things he says that I think are spot on and other things that have personal feelings about it that creep into his words and analysis of Christianity that appear not to be as "factual" as he seems to feel his observations and analysis of his subject are. I can't take everything he states as the concrete truth as things actually are on Christianity. Only Jesus can say something definitely about Christians & Christianity and I know it is THE, Truth with no argument. Such is the way with humans. Have a good one & a great New Year, friend.

@senanshortt5521 Honest evangelical? Sounds like an oxymoron to me.😂

​@@americanpatriot7247 There is not much to analyze about the American "Christianity", besides that it is over. The Evangelicals will never recover from this rampant abuse of their fellow human beings, nor should they.

THIS

Not all of us are MAGA Christians! Many still believe in the wokeness, love, kindness and forgiveness of Jesus!

​@@juneramirez8580 Amen!!

Religious leaders of the Ukrainian Council of Churches visited the U.S. in October. They spoke of the Russian FSB influencing the Russian Orthodox Church and attempts to infiltrate Jewish as well as other religious congregations in Ukraine. This discussion is on the Atlantic Council YT site. They also agreed with an American in the audience that the Evangelical movement in the U.S. is a target being of the Russian Orthodox Church and FSB.

I have not heard him talk about the Evangelical teaching of ‘dispensationalism’, which is key to the politics of the ‘faith’ (for lack of a better word).

What do you expect from a church who has embraced an anti-Christ as their savior? Do better? I’m hoping they don’t do worse and re-elect a hate fulled man. I will say donald has learned how to use these ppl for his personal gain.

He mentions the white evangelical church - the cruelty of that church has been documented since slavery. I believe some Christians are finally seeing what many of us have known for a long time: their identity is not Christ. It's whiteness or politics.

Maybe you should question your faith. It’s a lot easier to understand how hateful and dumb the religion is after you’ve left it.

There are millions of us in the U.S. and the world, as Christians, are in agreement with you.

@@brentneumark995 Let us not lose hope, for our God is just and in due time, the truth is becoming known about those who call themselves Christians. I pray that many will examine themselves to see if they are truly in the faith. Let us also pray that those who are schemers and charlatans will repent before it’s too late. Death awaits all of us and it is in that final court that we will be alone to face a Holy God.

Yes... It is very true. That which terrifies even more so; the fact that gazing into what we consider "god" or God invites the same. To accept His "living judgement" can eviscerate many of the trite considerations of men / man-made institutions. Leading others to God, demands a steely shepherd. Leaders bear the greatest burden as purveyors of institutions.

LOL. But very true.

@@user-iu4wh1zs6t Do you believe the Constitution of the United States is to be included in the "trite considerations of men / man-made institutions."? Because many seem to today

Apparently I have succumbed to this.

Nietzsche is critical thinking which is sometimes difficult to pair with belief, but this is completely necessary to be a true believer.

The other half of the problem that’s besetting the Church is liberal theology (not political liberalism, though they sometimes cross over), and those theologies are NOT Scriptural. The whole state of the Church is largely a wreck, so far as its original purpose. That’s one of the biggest reasons why I firmly believe that we’re rapidly approaching the end of the Church Age, or the Age of Grace, which was described in prophetic passages. The only common ground between these two “halves” of what’s happening, is Scriptural illiteracy. They proclaim a Book to which they are strangers, and some don’t proclaim it at all.

As a Canadian believer I feel for you. I'd never want to be a Christian in america.

​@@castrocastro2550❤❤❤❤❤❤

Try the Unitarian-Universalists. They're far more educated than Trump's supporters.

This is excellent! Churches are strange places now.

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Exactly, it is in God, and he is speaking to us today.

getting ppl to support Romney was like pulling teeth even though hes lived a life closer to the 10 commandments than all ,99%, of his detractors yet they all jump head first into supporting a heathen like trump.

Hopefully you're making the case that Christians should be apolitical. I cannot imagine that the Christian thing to do is to vote for Biden.

Spot on, the hypocrisy and poor morality of people of putting garbage in positions of power is antithetical. Much like the garbage human commenting right above ☝

@@joelrodriguez1232 Feel free to not vote at all then. Or to run your own candidates, 3rd party. BTW, Biden quietly attends church every week. Trump can't quote one Bible verse, because he's never read the Bible, NOR THE CONSTITUTION HE SWORE AN OATH TO.

I’m a nonbeliever and I have so much respect for Mr Alberta, a true Christian.

Jesus had no "foundations" because they are worldly, wrong to begin with and bound to go downhill from there.

yea if he ever did come back they'd be the first people who would smite for being a party to genocide.

For example healthcare... only the nuns got that right...

​@@garymyers9492?

I think it's always been that way, the faiths history is just basically religious war and nasty oppression

Humans pollute everything good, everything religious, in particular Christianity. Christianity is what it is. But many people see Christianity for what it is NOT -

Yeah, they weren't so rare when I was little (Gen X). My family of nonbelievers was treated just fine. I think he's right, the 60's and 70's scared the evangelical community, and their fear only grows. This is a prime example of groupthink.

So vote GREEN, Blue is NO DIFFERENT than red. They BOTH support GENOCIDE. Take off your blinders.

ABSOLUTLEY 100%!!!

They sure got you fooled!😅😢😮

Really? When did you join the cult. Better yet since you're in a cult you really don't know it. You need to be deprogrammed like the Manson family. You remember old Chuck don't you? @@StephenGrover-zc4hp

Tell me why I, as someone who believes that all humans have equal right from conception to death, should vote blue and not red.

Its called Mental ILLNESS!!!

YES IT TRULY IS!! YOU ARE RIGHT.

Exactly. The common denominator & false shepherd is creepy Ralph Reed, longtime merchandiser of Christians, laughing all the way to bank...er, that is, foreign tax haven.

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Franklin Graham heads the Samaritans Purse Organization. Just leave the politics out of it, his organization is does GREAT GOOD all over the world. I am not a fan of his father, but the fact that he is heading this great organization that is doing Jesus will speaks all I need to know about the man. I have Democrats that are inside the Church that are also ignorant of the truth.

Spot on

But we don't correct things like racism or sexism simply by reversing it. If persecution is wrong, then it's wrong. It's not, "It's your turn now." People in the majority have long been told, "You can't understand OUR experience" - and now, others can't understand THEIR experience. All voices deserve to be heard, and we can see if there are any issues to address.

@@nonya.bizness I'm probably not the best representative for a dialogue. I'm not a Trump supporter (in fact, I'm very against him), so I don't fully understand their position myself. But I assumed the majority you had in mind were pseudo-Christian, white, and mostly conservative. However, one issue that seems somewhat relevant that I've personally noticed involves sexism. One of the earliest forms of sexism I became aware of was the use of masculine pronouns as the default, and uses of words like "mankind." But today, when about 65-70% of the publishing industry is female, many books are published using strictly feminine pronouns as the default - unless discussing a specific person, the books use she/her exclusively. That's simply reversing the sexism, and not correcting it. That should be addressed. If society isn't careful, then other forms of prejudiced or discriminatory behavior could be reversed rather than corrected as the traditional majority (see above) becomes less numerous. As a society, we should protect that from happening, and not accept an attitude of "Well, now they can see what it feels like." The goal, in my opinion, is equality all around. I think some people fear that won't be the case, and that some unfair practices will be seen as acceptable due to past privileged status. Does that make sense?

2 words. WHITE PRIVILEGE FULL STOP

This. They are not victims and never will be. These are people to whom basic equality feels like harsh oppression.

😥😢😢

So true! He is very compelling.

Thanks! I'll look for them.

What white evangelical Christianity? Is that found in the Bible?

@@joelrodriguez1232my comment was in response to Tim’s wording in his video. It was meant to provide context.

​@@dhuff2459it was meant to virtue signal the race baiting progressive dems who unabashedly use the race card to divide us

I am not a believer but have no problem with people of faith at all. I am sorry these fractures have happened. Perhaps people like Tim and yourself can start another movement that more closely follows the example of Jesus. Bet a lot of secularists would join if they were welcome. Good luck to you!

You've said exactly what I have been trying to say. I'm not good with putting words together so effectively. thanks

Can't fake it til you make it forever

Are you black? Or were you expressing non-Trump views? We live very sad times in Christianity!

Wow. Im sorry 😞

I have felt SO ALONE all these years.

The other half of the problem that’s besetting the Church is liberal theology (not political liberalism, though they sometimes cross over), and those theologies are NOT Scriptural. The whole state of the Church is largely a wreck, so far as its original purpose. That’s one of the biggest reasons why I firmly believe that we’re rapidly approaching the end of the Church Age, or the Age of Grace, which was described in prophetic passages. The only common ground between these two “halves” of what’s happening, is Scriptural illiteracy. They proclaim a Book to which they are strangers, and some don’t proclaim it at all. But be of good faith, you are never alone. In fact, feeling a bit like a “stranger” in these times is actually a good thing. Feeling at home in either of the mentioned environments is the worst possibility.

​​@@davidwilkins5932)) America is in love with America instead of Christ that said, consumerism hasn't help either. Making God and Jesus as just a Means, instead of God and Jesus being the Goal. By the way, the rapture only happen when filming conditions are optimal usually on the west during summer season's. # Idolatry Jason B. Lincoln, Nebraska

I guess this shows it happens everywhere! Apparently, hatred and bigotry have no boundaries.

They listen to 'Q' thinking it's some all-knowing insider when it's really a Russian subversion plot, trying to split the US down the middle. And the plot is working perfectly.

Glenn Beck, right-wing media host, leads the charge with "Mormon Exceptionalism" which is basically the LDS version of white supremacy. Beck has attracted the Evangelical radicals and has swept his politics across the neo-conservative Prepper movement. I have lost friends to this cult-like thinking. It's quite heart-breaking.

When Mike Lee compared Donald to Captain Moroni, it made me physically ill : /

I agree with you, but the brokenness began in Eden when the devil tempted Eve to rebel, saying "surely you won't die". This willingness to compromise and believe the lies, all for power and a moment of glory, is human nature. Only Christ can set our moral compass upright. I feel that the Christian Nationalism political movement has infected the church in America. That win at all cost mentality in our society got us to this point, that willingness to accept lies for the truth and to believe that God would continue to bless us. It's a form of self righteousness, that belief that one is above the consequences of cheating, or the end justifies the means, and that God is obliged to answer our prayers.

Bummer! I used to like NASCAR! But when it seemed to be associated more with the MAGA movement, I kinda lost interest. Now I know why they seemed to have hooked up.😢

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The Church isn’t at fault but a small faction of people. That’s evident by the many BELIEVERS that support the Truth Tellers like Tim.

Also detrimental to church. By peddling Trump lies, Christians have hurt the cause.

I'm sorry you went through that!

Praying with You for your Family🙏🏽

I agree

Their eyes will never be open because they are like the walking dead the moment they stopped following Jesus and begin following trump believing that he can save the from the evils of the down fall of America they sealed their doom. Because our God said to have no other God.

Years of preaching futurist theology, coming persecution, etc. Evangelicals have been taught that they'll face great persecution before the "rapture" so they look for it everywhere.

How true!!

Yours is the voice of Christians I have admired, though I am not Christian. To me, there are many paths to being a loving, principled, strong advocate for goodness. I took a screen shot of your comment here, because it inspires me, teaches me and shows me there are still Christians that are forces for good. Thank you.

You American?

​@@mikeanderson7549 Probably more than you!!!

@@mikeanderson7549 Mike, are you a believer! If yes, are you American first, believer second?

Liz was courageous, but there have been others. Such as Adam, Russel …. I have tried to wake my fellow Christians up, unsuccessfully. Have been unfriended by my best believing friends. Trump is devil’s best asset.

Cheney voted with Trump policy 93% of the time and her father the VP was a war criminal.

one what? Highlander?

AND EVANGELICALS: NEWS FLASH IT IS DEFINTITELY NOT EVIL MONSTER DONALD TRUMP.

Kinda sounds like you want them to duke it out.

Of course NOT for they are some of the ones doing the misleading and lying to these same christians. They don't want to be exposed on air by Tim Alberta.