Trump’s Civil-Fraud Trial, Explained: What’s at Stake? | WSJ 

At least someone has a brain in the coment section.

They hate the man so much and they don't care what they do to get him.

@@josephkanga5533 At this point it doesn't even make sense as long as they get him. It's shameful.

@@waneframe they removed my comment

@@josephkanga5533 lol typically! They don't believe in free speech.

Not only was there no crime, but when the judge ruled that there was indeed fraud Trump blamed the accountants. For the... non-crime?

Esp when the individual accepts responsibility for NOTHING and makes himself out to be the injured party and then you encounter so many on social media that appear to believe and defend him.

They are hoping you will know nothing about it.

Your statement really relies on no information whatsoever. You are just like the prosecutor. My entire career is based on commercial real estate and this case is actually the biggest fraud. This video is a worthless bit of information.

@@gbanks3339If you think fraud wasn’t committed by the misrepresentations in value and lies told to banks, then you suck at your job.

😂😂😂

And they’re totally not troll/bot/spam accounts either! /s

@@TheResilient5689right😂 definitely real people

what about Equity and Inclusion ? ? ? @@loganrogers4560

Then that would be him being an idiot. Knowingly adjusting prices to benefit is fraud

@@Thebobbyman lol okay but lookit the market lol anyway don't mind me I'm just saying if he'd paid the extra into the education system like he was supposed to it would have been better than most of the overpriced nonsense in Manhattan

@@therealunicornselene okay if he had only simply over pie his taxes is one thing. But when he values his assets higher or lower based on what helps him him more. That’s fraud

@@therealunicornselene I mean, are you really surprised? This is the guy whose “university.” And charity got shutdown for fraud

@@Thebobbyman I heard you the first time and that was exactly my point 🤦

So everyone triples the size of their houses?!

What if the judge and prosecutor harass people by using the power of government behind their backs. Very totalitarian mindset you have

Seriously. I'm convinced these people in the comments are children that have never owned anything.

You may be aware that they are rarely, if ever the same. This is clearly a bogus charge.

@@BK-ri4lj agreed. seriously , no one in this thread owns a home it seems. they also don't know the difference between civil and criminal court.

@@BK-ri4lj or making jokes about the market that you're desperate to ignore 😘

That used to be the reality just 30 years ago

Jayte,not according to the banks,and expert financial people.

The court undervalued Mar-a-Lago at $16 million. If Trump put it on the market tomorrow at fixed price $500 million it would sell almost instantly. A realistic valuation would have destroyed their already pathetic case.

@@alexbowman7582 Mar-a-Lago- any property - is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Your $500 million valuation "would sell almost instantly" comment is nonsense and shows you're an amateur.

@johnmilovich2195 it's worth over $1 billion. The land alone is worth several times $16 million

​​​@@stevesutton5498in fact: the case is not brought by the banks but by the state, coz he is a fraudster (which he is already been found guilty of) The only financial expert that claimed what you said was paid nearly a million dollars to say that: all other experts said the contrary

If he loses the election it’s over for him.

I work at Home Depot. Wednesday night at closing, I take $100 from the register. I drive to the nearest casino, and put it on 00. I win $3500. I go home and open the store Thursday, returning the $100 to the register. Was anyone harmed, if so, who? Did I do anything wrong?

@@KznnyL No one was harmed, but you definitely did something wrong by taking money from the cash register regardless if you had the intention to put the money back or not. Your are blatantly stealing in order to benefit from money that was not originally yours and which was not granted to you. You should be punished for this because if not then everyone will start to do the same thing which will lead to chaos. Rules and regulations are there for a reason and if we let one person get away with it then why should we prosecute anyone else who does it? Don’t defend bad behavior just because you fancy the person committing the wrongful act. No one should be immune to consequences, it is written in our constitution.

@@-TheMaskedMan- Taking a cash from the register is indeed in itself wrong. This is different. The bankers testified and said they were not fooled by estimates and internal memos showed them decreasing his net worth and gave him an interest rate corresponding with real risk. It’s utterly a nonsensical political case by NY AG!

@@hus390 Oh I see. So they lenders already knew of the risk. Then your initial analogy should’ve included the fact that your boss knowingly hired someone he knew would take money from the register and had measures in place for that already. Only problem I still have with this is the wrongful act of intent to deceive. At this point I’m honestly trying to be as unbiased as possible because I know people do this all the time. Especially when they are financing a new vehicle. People prop up their income in order to qualify for a better loan. Even if it fails and the bank gives you the loan you deserve due to the fact that they assessed the true risk, the initial intent to deceive still exists. But ultimately I guess it doesn’t matter because the bank gave him what they believe he deserved. His intent to deceive did not work, thus he did not actually commit any fraud although there was intent to do so. That’s ultimately my conclusion to this🤔. He basically received the loan he deserved after lenders assessed and adjusted his true net worth. I’m no lawyer but maybe the one on this case is trying to get him with something similar to…. “Attempted Murder”- where the crime does not occur but there was intent to commit one.🤔 “Murder”- Where the crime is committed. 🤔 That’s my most logical way of viewing the situation.

there* was no fraud. Doesn't surprise me that you can't speak basic Kindergarten English.

@@EviLLivEClan phone auto correct changed "therre" into their didnt notice so ty for pointing it out.

​@@EviLLivEClanis that all you got? A Personal Slur. I left a couple for you too, just for kicks.

You are missing every point that matters: 1. What the manager says irrelevant. The reasonable person standard determines how much a real estate value can be misrepresented, and how much he can lie about square footage etc. A victim excusing his bad numbers doesn’t mean the act wasn’t a crime. 2. The bank stands to benefit from pretending those properties are worth more and protecting their reputation that they weren’t tricked. 3. Most importantly, Trump used the extremely inflated numbers for loans, investment solicitations, Forbes articles, etc. WHILE he used undervalued prices on those same properties to pay minimal taxes every year. The bank isn’t relevant to him committing tax fraud.

@DerekHise fraud requires a victim. The bank would be the victim here and has said there was no fraud. And the bank does their own assessment of assets. They do not just take people's word for it. And your tax fraud argument is irrelevant in this case. It is a civil case for fraud against the bank that is saying there is no fraud. Tax fraud would be a criminal case and is not what this case is. The bank would stand to benefit from fraud being shown because the money he is fined would in part go to the bank that got fraud Ed. Yet thats not where the money will go if trump has to pay for this "fraud" case. They might have a case on tax fraud, but that isn't the place for a civil trail. That would be a criminal trial.

Yes, but also no. You can't find someone "guilty" if you have any reasonable doubts. But you CAN still find someone liable even if you have doubts.

@@gerretoutdoors3710 Liable is for civil cases. Guilty is for criminal. Liable=pay $ damages. Guilty= Go to jail

​@@gerretoutdoors3710"the preponderance of the evidence"

​@@gerretoutdoors3710And it's not like it's hard to tell in this case...

But it means in a real milquetoast way that WSJ wants to use in order to appear non-biased

This comment section is ridiculous for the spam

Meaning: Monitor your monitors. They're spending work time watching Tik-tok.

😅😅😅😅😅it's not theirs. Property is a hard concept

The part I do not get is: do banks not estimate the value of assets themselves? How can you inflate them unless banks are that stupid to just take your word for it? When I took a mortgage (different country) the bank sent someone to check the place and estimate its value and they only proceeded with the credit once they got his approval, do things work differently for bigger loans or are American banks outright dumb? Can I then claim my house is worth a billion dollars and get super-cheap money in the US? (or, what did I misunderstand here?).

Y'all are not Bankers.. if they say it's okay.. its okay.. they give Philosophy Students Billions in student loan knowing very well they are unlikely to get a job ..

@@JoseMorales-sw4uc The banks do an estimate based on information provided but Trump lied about objective facts like the square footage and whether Mar a Lago was approved for development. Even then, the banks repeatedly told Trump's to stop inflating the values.

@@JoseMorales-sw4uc I was thinking the same thing also but came across this article written by Forbes a well respected business magazine it's called How Trump Fooled Deutsche Bank.

​@@JoseMorales-sw4ucI think there are 3 possibilities 1) the bank didn't do check (which I don't believe) 2) If the banks would have sued and not the IRS then we would have seen somewhere falsified documents 3) he said his brand was worth x amounts based on some underlying calculations. The underlying calculations were wrong based on fraud I think it's a mix of all three personaly, but we'll see

True. Go a little further. Dig a little deeper. Read the Marxist Playbook. One of the tactics is to call your opponent what you actually are. Trump is no Hitler. Like him or hate him, he is not the one using tyrannical tactics to attemptto control us. Also note that those who are called antifa are behaving like the brown shirts of Germany. Look at the actions beyond the words.

Orange Man Bad

Walking Dead Biden - Good@@needparalegal

Trump 2024!

Freidrich,they actually haven't proved anything yet .the judge found him guilty before tha trial even started.doesn't sound like justice to me.

I could be sarcastic, and really rude to you, but I’ll take a different approach. The narrative that nothing was proven, and he was found guilty is false. That is something he’s putting in your head. It was plenty of evidence turned over in the ruling that he was guilty, was due to that evidence. Now, whether or not Donald Trump wants to acknowledge that evidence is a completely different story, and frankly, he does not have to acknowledge that evidence, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

​@@ericcarlonwhat evidence that Markey value and tax value are different? THAT is the norm. It's not illegal. Ask anyone with experience buying and selling property. What's surprising is that this was not dismissed as frivolous. Even the loan officers are testifying FOR Trump.

⁠​⁠@@carolejackson8357What you are choosing to ignore because you have no intellectual integrity, is that market value and tax values rarely diverge by more than 15%, even when those values are both fluctuating year to year, due to market conditions. Decades of Trump being off by more than 6,000% isn’t “the norm” or legal.

How is illegal if you loan somebody 500 dollars and some time later he gives you 600 back? Both parties agreed to the loan and valued their risk/gain.

Until TDS burns itself out. Insanity can only go on so long.

Make America Russia 2024

I want Trump for ADX Florence 2024. ADX Florence is the supermax in Colorado where they put El Chapo, the Boston Marathon Bombing kid and the Unabomber.

You advertise your stupidity with that comment. Such bravery.

@@prooveditt4839 right? Dare.

Trump for Norillag 2024

Has been for a long time

the USA is done with NY, thats why everyone is leaving that state.

@richmiko4185 Lol. Just say'n what Don Von ShitHisPants says doesn't make it true. The taxpayer's rejoice proudly. So Mikey grow up and get a brain with some real knowledge in it. Make mommy somewhat proud at least

@@richmiko4185 Btw, name one??

@@KB-ld6ql easy google search. do you know how to do a google search?

It’s been repeated over & over how the trump’s discredit everyone else in the courtroom, to makes themselves seem smarter then everyone else but when asked the simplest of questions, they don’t have any answers.

This argument is always used by the other side of comment section. "If the banks are satisfied then it's not fraud."

Terrible analogy. The point is that the banks, that made the loans, conducted their own financial due diligence and valuation/appraisal analysis, before they made the loan. The banks didn't take Trumps word on the value of the underlying properties before making the loan. Laetitia James is not an appraisal expert, cannot retroactively determine the terms on market loans and there is no fraud here at all.

Trump 2024!!

​@@ichiro5384who was the victim of the fraud? In the speed ticket is to avoid the killing or harm of third parties.

That’s just the proper use of the word..?

I agree. I am not a fan of him but this is excessive.

That is a false statement. Please cite proof before making BS OMB statements.

@THE_WOAT Don Von ShitHisPants has transfered political donations to pay his personal legal fees. Over $50 million in 2023. Give your head a shake.

@@THE_WOAT Huh??

I went into the store and robbed them. So I gave the money back. All set. He's so entitled its pathetic

I guess you don't know that everybody involved profited off of this deal ? The bank got the interest as with any other loan. So tell me how is that robbery?

​@@patsevigny5044I guess you don't know that everybody involved profited off of this deal ? The bank got the interest as with any other loan. So tell me how is that robbery? There was nothing at all unusual about this the loan negotiations.

@@carolejackson8357 I work at Home Depot. Wednesday night at closing, I take $100 from the register. I drive to the nearest casino, and put it on 00. I win $3500. I go home and open the store Thursday, returning the $100 to the register. Was anyone harmed, if so, who? Did I do anything wrong?

Signing a promissory note kind of obviates embezzlement.

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Fraud requires intent to commit fraud, a victim, and damages. None of these elements were proven in the case against Trump.

Whom he commited fraud against?

Not fraud if there is no victim.

The bankers testified and said they were not fooled by estimates and internal memos showed them decreasing his net worth and gave him an interest rate corresponding with real risk. It’s utterly a nonsensical political case by NY AG!

Maybe he should be a better person?

The biggest con job of all. His fans r paying his legal fees but it's called a campaign donation. So dumb.

The piece was heavily biased toward Trump. It was just pro-Trump propaganda.

​@@jannarkiewicz633If you think this is pro trump, wait till you see what the average citizen thinks. Especially after all these crimes against humanity come out.

I tell you what, I won't call you a liar, I say this. Prove it

This will be overturned. In the meantime, Leticia James and Arthur Engoron have made some powerful enemies. Couldn't happen to a more deserving couple.

There’s more. Criminal indictments to come!

Why?

I guess he’s saying because trump is being prosecuted by the same people who encourage fraud and do fraud aswell. Is the only thing I can think of… why

​​@@quesoblanco444Because the American populace hates the government and the uni-party. They also like a underdog. Trump gets treated just like we do. He just has the funds to continue to battle them.

Shut up queso

They seem to be unaware of how much we despise Biden, Trump has done nothing that even compares to Biden, we know

He is not the only one does that . All the wealthy do that for the record!!

​@@Dudevegaslv I agree with you but those other rich people didn't have there own personal lawyer " Micheal Cohen" tell a Congressional hearing under oath and on live TV that Trump over valued his properties to get better loans and devalued them when he filed taxes. Once he did that the feds came knocking and rightfully so we have laws that he violated and got caught.

But the banks still loaned him the $ and the banks do there own research and the numbers must line up on there end as well or loans aren't given out. Stop the nonsense. No crime was committed. Witch hunt plain and simple

Stop watching cnn

​@@Dudevegaslvcool story, they can go to trial as well.

I don't see fraud either. I see a big scam and abuse of power.

This is why I’m a big Trump supporter now. I hated the man at first. But I started realizing the media, politicians, and even judges are out to get him. Even if he didn’t do anything wrong.

Everyone is too busy being mad at each other they don't even think to question the big picture. You're right, but unfortunately most people are too stupid to realize it.

Because he's rich.

this is a civil trial. obviously there is no evidence to convict him for criminality otherwise this would be a criminal case. the judge does belong in prison or to lose his license to practice law though.

quality reporting to you is just anything that reaffirms your bias. If they said it would lessen his value you would be angry and calling it fake news xD

@@YetiTurmoil My comment was quite neutral.

From the WSJ? LOL

@@413smrWSJ is actually biased to the right, it is owned by Murdoch. So I would trust WSJ as fair in here.

​@@nzs316but the report is not neutral. Out of context reporting to spin a narrative is happening here. And, the WSJ once was a mostly reliable source. Sadly, that is no longer true.

And are you required by law to pay taxes at the rate of those overstated values? Of course you are! trump didn't.

My 1,000 sq ft apt is now 10,000 sq ft. No problem.

It literally makes no difference whatsoever. Lenders are required by federal law to perform their own independent appraisals of property offered as collateral. Do you know why? It's because borrowers (and sellers) have an incentive to overstate the value and extent of their own property. @@aikanae1

For this he only need to pay back the state about 500 million dollars , Criminal cases are the capitol attack ,steal document and the election issue for bribe electoral official to put 11,000 vote to his account

There is no IF he's already been found guilty. This is to determine the penalty.

@@mattsmith9270 $500million been set up and ban for doing business in New York

@@mattsmith9270guilty is NY nothing new. It’ll go through appeals and probably in from of the Supreme Court.

And who will go up there instead? Sleepy Joe? 😂

@@alexandermilbank8833someone under 60 ideally

RFK Jr 2024!🇺🇲

​@alexandermilbank8833 RFK Jr 2024!🇺🇲

Thanks for your expert input, random non-American internet stranger. Good luck with your crusade against **checks other comments** American automobiles. 🫡

😂😂😂😂

Seems like you don't like facts or reality.

looks like you love media telling you how to think@@omgnowairly

All you need to know is what Latisha James said the Judge made up his mind before the trial began, and the trile is the fraud, and everyone knows it!

What ever it is will be overturned on appeal. The case is politically motivated and the law as applied in this case is unconstitutional.

That is the first issues, this should have been before the commerce commission, not a judge. That is appeal #1. #2.

All you need to know is what Latisha James said the Judge made up his mind before the trial began, and the trile is the fraud, and everyone knows it!

These charges are not illegal. But yes, not the two teared court system

Trump has always been hated by people who knew him. Example 1. New Yorkers voted overwhelmingly against him as president is first time running. I recall about 75% opposing him. Example 2. He was the inspiration for Biff Tannin in “Back To The Future” long before he entered politics. Drawing national attention to himself was the only change. They see him for the abomination he is, but in greater numbers.

You forget that it affects tax and the fairness to others ! At the least you should be taking hes a liar and a conman for doing it !

Where did you find this breaking news 😂😂😂

That is if they get loans at all, since the banks gave money to Trump thst could have generated business elsewhere.

@@johnniequinn3215 Shame its illegal to do 🙂

Based on expert testimony Trump costed his lenders $168,040,168, which the banks would have made if Trump was given the appropriate interest rate corresponding to the actual value of his assets.

@@bimopi that’s absurd to say the least . The man paid all his taxes and paid off his debts before the agreement was even due . This is all politics at its lowest . Banana republic all the way as it’s done in underdeveloped countries. Tried and jail you political foes before they even get to try to get to power by people’s votes .

The state of NY was defrauded. And yes, class action lawsuits are a common example of holding an entity responsible for bad actions when many if the people affected are not aware that they may have been defrauded.

Would you arrest a bank robber, their crime didn't affect me. A crime is a crime

Local, state, and the federal government bring lawsuits like this all the time on behalf of people and organizations who were defrauded. It doesn’t always have to be the aggrieved parties bringing the cases here.

In that case you should lie about your property value next time you have to pay property taxes and make that defense 🤡 Its really sad how much you and others try to spin the law to defend your cult leader.😂😂

We can't forget that he was also found guilty of fraud in the fraudulent Trump University case which he had to pay the defrauded students $25million and also the Trump Charity fraud case that he was also found guilty of and it was shut down he was made to pay $2 million dollars and banned for life from running a charity in NY. There is plenty of victims he is a true CONMAN.

Only if you think that it's appropriate to omit salient facts surrounding the case.

This all stems from a comment, under oath, by Michael Cohen. I genuinely believe that Trump 100% brought this on himself, and that he would have been prosecuted anyhow.

Insurrection sure

​@@emilehote8170 yup, we all watched it live.

Lol, you are crazy. He never got charged for that. But keep lieing to yourself

​@dee5778 you watched what they showed you. Did you watch the whole thing? You think or government is trust worthy?

There was NO insurrection & Fraud has been Proven all over the country. Turn off your Programming Box⚠️ *Tell A Vision 👺 🐑🐑🐑🐑🐑 👈🏽