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Inspired by (tr)uSDX SSB performance videos posted by KB9RLW. More info here:
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@vk2ihl
@vk2ihl Год назад
It’s caused by the algebraic sum of the SSB audio envelope from filtered PWM and SSB PLL SI5351A, square wave through capacitor coupling. For each clock cycle, at logic level 0v, the gates see only SSB envelope voltage (threshold gate voltage is maintained at menu 8:2 PA bias) and at logic level 5v , the BS170s are fully ON). This combination creates a 50% of restored SSB envelope interleaving with 50% CW, that reflects your experiments with single and dual tone. At the beginning, PE1NNZ had used a cascaded modulation in his QCX-SSB prototype (drain modulation). The BS170 gates are clocking with PLL SSB carrier while drains Vds SSB audio modulation is performed by a different transistor. On my RU-vid channel I have posted 2 videos showing performance of gate and drain modulation. Spectrum of gate modulation has a clearly visible carrier frequency and poor linearity.
@timfreeze3959
@timfreeze3959 Год назад
Thank you very much. I have 2 of these, carefully built from kits, and get comments on the TX audio. So hopefully we'll get things sorted out.
@oasntet
@oasntet Год назад
Looks like there's been some development here - DL2MAN finally replicated the issue and found that reloading the bootloader / firmware will fix it.
@KN4OKadventures
@KN4OKadventures Год назад
That is why I only use mine in CW only. Thanks
@R50_J0
@R50_J0 Год назад
Thanks for helping on this problem.
@loughkb
@loughkb Год назад
Thanks for the 'peer review' John. I was under the impression that my problem may be unique, now I'm not so sure. :-) I'll link this vid in my reply to the lengthy comment I just had from Manual over on my vid.
@AE5X
@AE5X Год назад
I just read DL2MAN's comment on your latest video. I will re-perform this IMD test later today, changing various settings in the (tr)uSDX as I do so, including rx bandwidth settings. FWIW, this was a pre-built unit bought from China. I hope viewers will note that I am happy enough with my (tr)uSDX that I recently bought another one, this one for the higher bands and in kit form. I have updated my posting of IMD performance on my site here: ae5x.blogspot.com/2022/11/video-transmitter-imd-of-trusdx.html with images of spectral plots at both minimum and maximum BW settings on the (tr)uSDX.
@loughkb
@loughkb Год назад
@@AE5X I think I'm zeroing in on the source of the trouble. Have you done a firmware update on yours since it arrived? If so, what are your pa bias min and max settings? EDIT: Wait, nope, that's not it.... I just fiddled around with the settings and it didn't change the clipping. Of note though, my radio slipped off the shelf and dropped about 8 inches to the desk with a thump. Now the distortion is not nearly as bad. Still there, but much improved. I guess I'm back to examining the hardware for yet another poor connection somewhere.
@AE5X
@AE5X Год назад
@@loughkb My rig arrived with the latest firmware so no need for an update. PA Bias min and max are 0 and 128.
@loughkb
@loughkb Год назад
@@AE5X You'll want to see this from Manuel. He's going to work the problem and we'll figure out the cause. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RsZIJtpEM64.html
@timfreeze3959
@timfreeze3959 Год назад
@@AE5X I updated the boot loader and firmware on one of my radios, and just the firmware on the other. They both have identical results. It appears that the mic gain is reduced with the firmware re-load. The splatter was reduced, as the TX output was lower. So I changed the TX drive from 1 to 4 to get the power up to about 3+ W. The 3rd order IMD wasn't changed with any of the changes I could make, supply voltage, TX Drive, etc.. I was able to make some contacts, so it does work on SSB but the IMD problem needs a solution. I think it is a big part of the problem. I added an RF "shield" between the two boards, but it did not help. Is there something driven into a non-linear region in the audio, causing the IMD problem or is it in the firmware/processor? Other than this IMD problem, I like the radio and appreciate the creative design.
@MrVertigo1971
@MrVertigo1971 Год назад
Great Video, thanks. May I ask what type of knob you using at the rig? It looks great, but doest seem the default one?
@AE5X
@AE5X Год назад
No, it is from my TR-35. I replaced its VFO knob with a bigger one and the (tr)uSDX got the hand-me-down.
@ohenekojo2561
@ohenekojo2561 6 месяцев назад
It is a real shame. I only ever get good audio reports when the signal strength is lower. I now only use mine for FT8.
@RonanCantwell
@RonanCantwell Год назад
It's a shame that the transmitted audio from these little radios sounds so incredibly nasty on SSB. I only use mine for CW and was aware of the grim SSB performance when I bought it. It's fine as a multi-band CW rig but I wouldn't subject anyone to that awful SSB.
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Год назад
Then the thing to do is to clean it up. I figure we're hams, not CBers. Even with just a tech license we're licensed to do whatever needs doing to our gear. That's the fun part of the hobby to me. Talking is of little interest to me, but getting a rig working so I can talk is very satisfying.
@RonanCantwell
@RonanCantwell Год назад
@@johnwest7993 it's not something that can be "cleaned up" as it's a direct result of the methods being used to generate the SSB signals. It's about as good as it can get. It's amazing they can generate anything usable at all given the limited horsepower.
@ErikKaashoek
@ErikKaashoek Год назад
In pure speech the multiple tones are mostly harmonics. Does it differ when you do this test using two audio tones that are harmonically related?
@AE5X
@AE5X Год назад
I don't currently have an easy way to inject other frequencies into the rig. I suppose I could use Audacity to generate them and may do so in the future. For now, I want to try to do everything I can to mitigate the IMD performance as shown - I will be working on that this week.
@technishn
@technishn Год назад
If the level of tones is dropped significantly does the splatter clean up
@AE5X
@AE5X Год назад
@@technishn No, it's either all there or not at all there.
@technishn
@technishn Год назад
I don't have a unit, but just had a quick look at the schematic. THE ref A point which feeds a bias to the mic is only lightly filtered at audio with a 100nF. I wonder if a series R of a 100ohms or so and some uF will provide some extra filtering to reduce any tendency. You could scope the A reg line to see what happens to it when it goes ghastly..
@g3cwi_Radio_Adventures
@g3cwi_Radio_Adventures Год назад
Dreadful. And folks are using them with amplifiers too. Probably illegal in most countries.
@AE5X
@AE5X Год назад
Operation of the radio, especially if using an amp, should be limited to CW.
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