He's been keeping me entertained since "Divine Divinity" -- so like 2 decades -- and every Larian game exceeds my expectations, they don't over promise, they nail exactly what any game NEEDS, then somehow find ways to add actual love in the creation. Never been disappointed in ANY Larian game, especially upon its release and in its time...because Larian just keeps getting more deft at making increasingly enthralling games... each exceeds the ones before!
@@go-nogo1475 Back then I played Diablo, a time later I found Divine Divinity. I loved Divine Divinity always MORE than Diablo! Even back then their world seemed MORE alive than Diablo's! I instantly saw the difference between the two and since then always looked out for Larian Games. I actually love Ego Draconis too and still to this day I feel it is a pity there was never a continuation and probably never will be since they completely turned away from third person and real time battles and switched to their turn based model where they pretty obviously found their homeground for good. I love their lore and feel the passion that flows into their games. I am glad that they finally made themselves known to the world. Before nobody ever knew of whom I was even talking. Still, I would also love to see another real time battle Ego Draconis game from them again. I play turn based too but I don't ONLY play those! At this abysmal point in time we live in today in so many ways besides gaming in the world as well, Larian is probably one of the last remaining game Developers that aren't blinded by greed and driven by their passion and are actually GREAT at it! A beam of light that shoots through the darkness that the gaming industrie has become. I just pray they remain, survive, bloom with so many gluttons probably now wanting to swallow them for cash.
I just watched some stuff about Gabe Newell, he has the same sentiment. Make good games, make your "players" (not customers) happy and the money will fall in place.
RIGHT?!?! Sorry, but everything I have seen of Sven and what others have said about him.... he seems like such an easy going friendly guy. For him to just rip them while on stage like that is just so telling.
The only game i know where modding community coexists and improve game with full support of developpers not by greed, but because both want to improve the game, is Rimworld.
I'm sending it to them every day. Ty, creators of No Alphabets, Alternate Wyll, No Romance and Baldur's Better Aesthetics W! You've made the game so much more enjoyable!
Larian released a game of the decade, an instant classic. The smart thing for them, as a company, is for their next release, which will have so many eyes on it, to be an IP that they own. Having to work with a huge corporation that owns an IP is almost always a pain in the ass to deal with, and often goes sour.
I'd like it if they went back to Divinity. It's a cool setting. Even though they might have to make some new lore that contradicts parts of earlier games
More precisely Larian carried through with Early Access funding of the game of a decade and fairly involved player feedback for good. Divintiy had it's own IP of a game universe and was already half way out of the door of Forgotten realms Ip licence. This Kickstarter funded game saved Larian core dev team and unlocked the Early access funding base for making BG3. There is zero reason not to quit those super risky big licenses for good. Larian already has their own universe IPs to leverage and boost with the Early Access of their next proposals. They only need to score a single hit exploting the current D&D 5e hype. Larian didn't even expect to strike full mainstream with a super Streamer / Viewer interaction friendly game and a captivating "be who you are" story that allows to fully explore different dark path. Larian can simply crowd finance and pre-sell any big project the like. Tha banks do listen, their well-rewarded crowd backers and supportive Crowd listen and trust them. There is literally nothing Hasbro could offer Larian in added benefit now. Zil. The Larian example does prove an honest Early Access process is what you truly need for outstanding quality games if you want to lead 6 carry a lastng studio success and retain the talent on board. Larian is great at Pirate economics, not Hasbro Navy economics.
So that's why Larian is investing their last hour on providing modding support, to basically hand over the game to the community as a farewell gift. It makes sense.
This is the Vincke spirit, handed down from the past to ensure the Game's future! It's the modder's spirit! COMMUNITY, THIS IS THE LAST OF MY UPDATES! TAKE IT FROM MEEEEEE!!!
They also never made DLC for their games. They deliver a full fledge game and that's it. Maybe a directors cut a year later that comes as a free update to previous owners, but they never do DLC.
@@IDontKnowYouWhoAreYou Bioware was bought by EA: EA made Bioware what it is today. Blizzard was bought up by Activision, making Blizzard what it is today. This is the story of what happens when those interested in money, who do not care about quality of the product (the art), and who want to push ideological dogma to make a minor group of wealthy investors happy over ensuring customers will want to buy their product.
I get why people are disappointed, but I am not. Good for Larian. From Software is kinda doing the same thing when it comes to Bandai Namco, they want to become fully independent and publish their own stuff. They have the pedigree and the love of their fans. I wish Swen and the team the best of luck with their new projects
Yeah I already liked Larian for Divinity Original Sin and as a D&D player it's not like they nailed the rules, they took a lot of liberty. Might as well make their own RPGs. I'm happy with that.
Same. They were completely transparent about never making an expansion, and not making another game of this scale in the near future. They stuck to that. It's what integrity looks like, and it's what's best for them and their employees, while still allowing them to make incredible games and perfect their product. The *whole drawcard* for their game before it even released was "it's a complete game with no paid DLC" then withing a week of full release everyone was clamouring for a DLC. It boggled my mind. I'm glad they aren't caving in on this.
@themagescorner bg3 gameplay is terrible. Dice rolling is so cringe. Divinity 2 was a good game and I played it several times. Bg3 took me 3 months to finish since I couldn't stand playing over an hour. The combat is bad
@visitante-pc5zc I'd say this is an L take on the game. It literally just follows DND rules. After over a billion in sales and millions of dedicated fans I'd say the gameplay was amazing. That being said, it's not for everyone. There's no loss of games out that will make you more happy
I think the reason is that close to the time frame where they cut ties there were a few hints of not necessarily DLC, but additional content on the way, though in all honesty they were probably referring to the patches and additional endings/interactions/animations and such people just assumed they were hinting at DLC/Expansions
I hadn't heard that, though admittedly I'll say I'm still upset because I feel like GIVE ME A GOOD KARLACH ENDING DAMNIT. I WANNA KICK MIZORA'S TEETH IN AND FIX MY GIRL'S HEART.
@@l3xforever True, they just make massive additions and patches for their already finished games. Like redoing the entire ending arc for Divinity: Original Sin 2. All for free, because we felt it wasn't fleshed out enough. And they agreed. They took our critique and they went through it. Realized we had another view compared to them. So they took their own original view, and added ours ontop of that. And all this, for free.
Stand by Swen! This dude spent 6 years and risked everything to bring us the best RPG in decades. I'd love for D&D and BG, and WOTC to continue on but, if I must choose, I'll follow Larian! they have the magic!
Yep. It's exactly as promised. It's exactly what was advertised. It's exactly what I paid for. It's complete as described "on the box". I'm relieved that's not changing.
This is exactly what I’ve been saying since the announcement. It’s Hasbro, Hasbro is ruining everything. I have been wanting them to sell DnD or WotC as a whole for awhile now. The greed is ruining the passion of so many people’s favorite hobby. I’m dreading the upcoming VTT(virtual table top) they are working on. Every mini in that game will become a micro transaction, new maps, tools, assets, all micro transactions. Their hand in these games are ruining it. I hate the greed of the industry as a whole. A poor trained behavior we have learned to accept ever since dlc, or micro transactions came along, and the industry leaned into, and now it’s all we see, micro transactions. Never a whole game, never completed, always day one patches, or some times games have to wait a month before a patch will fix its jankyness. Unfortunately it won’t change, until we as the consumer have to say enough is enough. I fear that as a collective we don’t have the will power to resist anymore. A trained behavior, an addiction to the system.
I no longer buy anything at all until the DLC train ends officially. Then I can see the final state they leave the game in and this has caused me to abandon many series, like Europa Universalis and Civilization, among many others. Saved me quite a bit as well considering the obscene prices they want for entire packages, even on sale :P
I like how you think Hasbro I the ultimate problem here and selling WotC would do anything. As a MtG player, I can tell you that the brainrot is thorough and not centralize, the cancer is in every limb and organ. Not a single person associated with any of their divisions, ips, or companies has said or done anything to inspire confidence.
Makes you feel old, don't it? And that was just 2 years after WoTC bought TSR in 1997. Fun Fact, the original Baldur's Gate (Released in 1998) was one of the last products to have to the TSR logo on it.
@@MistyKathrine Back in my day games came on CDs! Each CD only held 600 megabytes so for a game like Baldur's Gate I reckon we had at least 4 disks! Okay grandpa back to bed to you you and your silly stories.
CEOs are generally appointed for a handful of years at a time so they tend to care about short term profits and getting while the getting's good before they are replaced. The only time corporations take a step back and do something good for the consumer is when they have no other way to move the profits forward.
Amazing how basic common sense equates to more business intelligence than these corporate smuchs with their years in office. Act like a shit, be treated as one. That line you were eye fucking starts to go limp real quick. I actually feel sorry for these morons.
@@CosmicGumbo555 That makes sense and would explain why corporations tend to make short-sighted decisions that destroy goodwill even in, or especially in products that are already popular with the consumers. Another example is Sony destroying Helldivers 2 with their absurd decision to force PC players to buy a PS and get an account to use the product they already bought. (They sorta backtracked it but also stopped it from being played in any country that doesn't sell Playstations) The devs are apparently working hard to fight the decision but the damage is done.
@@CosmicGumbo555It's not even the CEO's, it's the shareholders. They want short term profits, a lot of them are only short term investors. There's the real problem.
As pointed out, Larian now has an incredible amount of "street cred," and no matter what game they make next, it will be well-received. As far as corporate greed and profit-portfolio-stock types, that soulless approach has torn the passion of innovators-business owners out of the world.
They already had that "cred" amongst the original, pre-critical roller ttrpg fanbase because of DOS and DOS2. However that original pre critical roller D&D and TTRPG fanbase has learned firsthand why gates need gatekeepers.
Doesnt work like that. Ori and the blind forest and ori 2(both games have 95%+ positive reviews on steam) creators new game has mixed reviews there. If next game gonna be bad, its gonna be bad.
DO2 wasn’t good it’s mid that’s why they desprately wanted to use the bg liscense for the last two decades. They finally got it and fumbled hard. I can’t trust a snake like sev when his own comments on bg 3 post realease has been lies and covering up horrible business decisions
@@chiknkeinnugeget6755 thats true, but it doesn't seem like larian will be making a drastically different type of game, unlike the creators of ori, so i feel like it would be hard for them to mess up that badly.
Hasbro is pure evil. They're the kind of company that gets off on doing horrible things. They specifically fire people just before holidays in order to cause more harm. This sounds like something an evil villain would do, but it's happened too many times to be overlooked. That's just one of many things and there's many more not mentioned in the video. The people running Hasbro are really sick people.
Firing people before the holidays is the norm when trying to manipulate your stock value because you are about to end the fiscal year. It's a shitty move regardless, but it's not done out of spite, it us done out of pragmatism.
@@elmhurstenglish5938 I was talking specifically in terms of the way business works nowadays. I am, I suppose, what was known in the distant past of 2016, a SJW .
I'm bummed out that Larian is done with BG3, but I understand and applaud Swen's decision. Knowing that he and the team has plans to break the 5e ruleset open even more than they had already makes me very excited as to what Larian is cooking up next.
Hasbro screwed the pooch on the movie. The corpos cut the creator of the realms,the venerable Ed Greenwood, out of even consulting. He could have portrayed Elminster. Can you imagine! We got lucky with Larian, won’t happen again I fear. The people who run Hasbro are just too stupid.
I'm late to the party on this one! I actually wound up enjoying the movie on its own terms, but I was extremely unhappy that the movie failed to credit the game to its actual creators - Gygax and Arneson, principally.
The movie was decent. Good marketing could have helped a lot. It also came out when a lot of fans were already upset with WotC, which probably contributed as well.
He called them out when they fired all those people though…he has no problem speaking his mind, especially when it comes to shitty companies. I also initially thought it was because of hasbro. But now I just think bg3 was the most successful and well put together cash grab we’ve ever seen. I think they knew they could make a good baldurs gate game to fund what they really want to make and show off their talents as a studio, that’s why they were so quick to wash their hands of it and the characters.
I for one am not disappointed at all. BG3 was a commercial success and the game itself is basically a complete package. The sooner they cook their next project, the sooner we get to play it
Yep, although Sven said they are leaving the genre, the next one is going to be a sci-fi of some sort probably. So it won't really be the same anymore...😒
Pretty much how I see it. They made a good game, time to make another original IP product so they reap the rewards. They've proven they can make a fun product, now all they need is the time and money to do it again.
@@midnightdreams8136 Leaving the setting more like, it'll undoubtedly be a crpg still. And why not? BG3 reached many people who were neither into fantasy, DnD or crpgs in general, their next game might do the same.
@@midnightdreams8136 It makes me sad, i understand their choice but they know how to make a good dnd game, i would at least like to see Divnity being close to the bg3? or another ip similar to bg3 and divinity, honest to god anything to feed my greed for dnd style games. They can make their own universe and stuff, or make their own gods, races and etc. Idk man, people are starved for those games and IT IS SEEN BY THE PEOPLE. They won every single reward there is, i just wouldn't like them to leave the genre forver, it would be a good move to take a breather from it but...
I don't care for D&D, I'm pretty confident that whatever Larian is cooking it's going to be good. Also, Swen pretty clearly said that one big reason he wanted to do BG3 was to leverage the IP to elevate Larian to the next level, to be able to do more ambitious projects with higher budgets and for that they needed to reach a mainstream audience. In that sense it was a well calculated move, but only a stepping stone for Larian to enable future development. I don't doubt they have a lot of passion (obviously) for D&D / forgotten realms, or that it was the main reason, but a smart move nonetheless and it paid off.
Couldn't have phrased it better. Larian didn't really go on my Radar for a long while, and BG3 put them there for me. I'll definitely be watching for their next project with great interest regardless!
if you are into RPG worlds for 30+ years, Forgotten Realms is super cool to write storyline into it. But there is always a greener pasture next to it you can move your herd onto. Divinity, which literally saved Larian and unlocked BG3 didn't use Forgotten Realms and your really don't miss much of it. Sure, being a much smaller kickstarter, Divinity doesn't have the grandiose motion capture cinematics of a BG3. Larians next move would be a divinity with the cinematics being funded and Early Access being a solid experience for backers, they have gained the creative freedom to make anything happen. I certainly will back any Early Access proposal they do come up with.
Swen said they are still working on content for bg3 including mod support. That content might be stuff that they didn't have time to add before release or stuff they have come up with since. Maybe even Karlach and Wyll content since many fans find it lacking. Larian has been good with listening to the community in the past and added stuff in their definitive editions of their games. Both DoS 1 and 2 got one, I would be very surprised if bg3 don't get one. A definitive edition is not the same as a dlc or expansion.
I agree. At first I thought it would just be a matter of the right amount of money to get another Larian BG title, but based on Swen's tone, money was discussed, and it didn't work out. Something on the corporate side didn't align with what Swen wanted, and I'm guessing they weren't going to fund the development cycle he wanted and that meant he'd have to lay people off since he has mentioned how the BG3 team has grown a lot. There was money coming in later from the early access sales. Anyway, you've mentioned this in another video about Bioware, Drew Karpyshyn and James Ohlen, and the new Exodus project with Anthem studios. Let's not forget (or let me inform the younger audience) this has happened before when BioWare lost the Star Wars license after Knights of the Old Republic and they then went on to make the first two Mass Effect games, which were excellent. By the time Mass Effect 3 came out those original people were gone and it was hot garbage and has never recovered. Dragon Age was also a similar story, BioWare made Baldur's Gate II when they had the D&D license. We've seen this time and time again, and I understand Swen's frustration that these mistakes keep getting made. Laid off game developers sometimes don't come back like in Drew's case where he just started writing novels instead of games. Don't want this to get too long, but, just like Baldur's Gate II was much bigger and had cooler content than Baldur's Gate I, the engine was already developed so they could focus on the content. BG3 is working out all the bugs now because they can just build off that engine for any future project. They will be very capable of building a bigger game than BG3 because less time will be spent on the engine and more time can be dedicated to content.
Swen didn't want to participate in the excessively greedy and institutionally broken approach that Hasbro undoubtedly pushed for future offerings. He specifically cited greed on numerous occasions now. There's no doubt that's the sore point.
Unfortunately for myself, I never played the originals. Never played anything irl other than a homebrew that barely got five or so sessions in. I was hoping for more, because this was my only taste of this world. I enjoyed the environment, the characters, and the game mechanics itself. To me, one and done is like watching the first season, with a cliffhanger, only to find out the show got cancelled. TLDR, not enough of BG3 for me.
@@KingArthurWasARoman They've got slightly different systems, but you should try out the divinity original sin games by Larian as well. They're the games they made before BG3, they are different but they're still great games.
Honestly, they had to axe content to finish the game, so an expanded definitive edition that adds some of the cut content back in to the main game was one of the hopes. Also, I enjoy getting more stories with characters I love. We know they would have been real expansions with new stories from Larian, not the half assed shit a lot of developers do these days as cash grabs. Imahine getting to go to the Hells with Karlach to get her infernal engine fixed andvavenge her, forva really obvious example.
I have played games for 30 years. I have never been into D&D and had no idea about a single 5E rule or what 5e was. In only every played MMO's and the last turn based game I played was Final Fantasy 8. Baldur's Gate 3 changed all that. I am now mad into D&D Lore, turn based RPG's and looking into playing D&D. It's a shame there will be no BG3 dlc but Hasbro could really cash in on this if they looked after people like me. They won't but then I'll just play DOS1/2 until the next Larian game.
Play Pillars of Eternity, you won’t regret it. It’s more like the original two Baldurs Gates than Baldurs Gate 3 honestly. And try dragon age origins. Its old, but Baldurs Gate 3 copied its camp and companion system largely. Which is good.
A little inside tea i know is that wizards and hasbro are horrible to work with. The main reason too why larian never came with any BG3 merch, besides the mindflayer shirts. So ye no more content for BG3 in big forms, but theres still stuff being added right now, like scenes, endings and other quality of life things. BUT their working on their next game and im sure it will be awesome once again
I initially found it strange that artists were selling homemade BG3 merch left, right and center on social media freely, with no restraints. Not that I'm complaining, it certainly had a part in free advertisement for the game. I think Larian predicted this would happen and was happy to let it be. They're not interested in chasing that sort of thing like Hasbro and Disney, just focusing on making the best games for gamers of all levels. I haven't played this game yet, but I plan to once my finances are in order. If the merch was more affordable, especially for my local currency, I'd be ordering those too.
@@thismissivemisfit yeah basically they did not give any rights for any other merch. Which is a huge lost opportunity because i think alot of people would love merch from their fav charachters etc . BG3 is a great game and its still being fine tuned as we speak. ITs good for larian to step away from Wizards and hasbro
I will only buy fan merch now that the rights to the characters are in Hasbro's hands. Fuck the MtG cards and whatever half assed lifestyle brand merch they'll finally put out years later. The company is such a joke. It's so funny, too, because you would think a toy company would be all over action figures and minis but the company us so shit that no one buys those from them anymore. The quality would be too poor even if they ever get around to it. If a Japanese figure company got a licence agreement to make good figures I MIGHT be persuaded.
I think Swen wants to be polite and not be a part of a mob screaming at Hasbro so he took the route he did. Hasbro and WoTC are in a state of collapse and there are rumors of a sale of D&D to Tencent. I gave WoTC the last dollar they ever received from me about 5 years ago. That will absolutely not change if Tencent buys them. Hasbro complained about only being able to wring 90 million out of their contract with Larian. Swen made the comment that they had already started on DLC for BG3 and were looking at ideas toward BG4. They would/could not be doing work on a DLC without a contractual ability to do so and permission from the IP rights holder. I'm here for whatever Larian makes but it's a damn shame that greed is killing the best CRPG of all time. The game sold 15 million copies. That's about 900 million before cuts from software sellers. Hasbro made 90 million. there is no way they didn't demand more. They likely went to him with dollar signs in their eyes and said something to the effect of "You can make a game in any D&D setting you want but we want 50%". I don't blame him if that's the case. So we could have seen an Icewind Dale 3, Dark Sun, Ravenloft, or anything else and while that's a damn shame, I'm sure I'll love what they come up with.
What is the problem with Tencent? They own a huge stake in Larian and own GGG games, and still Path of Exile is THE only free game with MTX I played as pertains to it's finance model, there is zero pay to win in any shape or form.
@@tihonannenkov4114 The problem with Tencent is like everything in China they're a CCP tool for infiltrating and destabilizing western society. They're a literal trojan horse.
The witcher background music makes me imagine Geralt of Rivia hunting Hasbro like it's some kind of horrific monster in a swamp, or plain. I can see it now, it's a cold icy morning in Nilfgaard, Geralt is riding through the gloom of the early dawn hours, atop his mighty steed roach the horse. He comes to a halt before an old dead tree, the wind shifts towards him, his powerful witcher senses detecting the scent of spilled blood. Warily, he starts riding again, coming upon an entire batallion of Nilfgaardian soldiers along the road, torn limb from limb, guts and shattered armor everywhere. His horse whinnies in alarm but Geralt soothes the beast and slowly dismounts. "Looks like I'm getting close." he muses to himself, as he kneels down to examine the bifurcated corpse of a nilfgaardian captain named Morvik, who many months earlier, had tasked the mutant with hunting drowners close to his camp's latrine, which sat near a river. In the far distance, the ground shakes slightly, Geralt lurches to his feet, drawing his steel sword. It was Hasbro, they always return to the site of kills to feed upon the corpses, he reminds himself. Then he see's it, charging his position, a lumbering wall of muscle and dark shaggy fur. The Hasbro resembles a cross between a werewolf, a cassuary bird, and a man, its head is bright blue like a summer sky, its eyes burning with red otherworldly rage. It shrieks as it closes the distance. "STOCKHOOOLDEEEERSSSSSHHH!" it roars! With a lunge faster than any normal man, the Butcher of Blavigan hurls himself to the side as an enormous, four fingered hand carves a massive trench into the ground, partially crushing the head of a dead horse in the process. "MYLITTLEPOOONY!" the Hasbro thunders. "Damn, you're ugly!" And the battle is joined proper, just monster vs mutant.
It is truly depressing we'll never get new _Baldur's Gate III_ content, but I wholeheartedly agree with Swen's decision of backing out; much like the late Satoru Iwata, he's a gamer first, businessman second. Getting away from corporate bullshit will be ultimately better for Larian in the long run, and Swen knows this very well. The team learned a lot from _Baldur's Gate III_ and will certainly apply all that knowledge for their future games. Whether we end up getting a _Divinity Original Sin 3_ or even a brand new IP, I can only dream of the possibilities.
Larian worked with Hasbro for 7 years, through all the scandals Hasbro and WOTC went through in said years. You made a good analysis and I think you are spot on. Sven cant stomach working with them anymore even though he said through gritted teeth they were fine to work with. I also imagine WOTC would be more hands on during the development of a BG4 pushing DEI and having a lot of "You can't do that, You can't do this, You must add this' it would be torture to deal with. With their own IP Larian will have total freedom, I imagine they crave just that.
I've played BG 3 now twice and on the third complete playthrough. I feel like I've played THREE completely different stories/games in three playthroughs. Whatever Larian does I can see myself playing BG3 for years and years until the next thing they do which I hear will be GRANDIOSE. I hope it's Fantasy RPG like DOS 3 with cutscenes and story.
Oooh yes!! A DOS game with cutscenes would be heaven! I LOVE DOS:2, that game brought Larian onto my radar and I'm a solid customer of theirs now (unless they somehow do a 'bioware' and mess it up). I cannot WAIT to see what they come up with next!! 🙂
Was the over the top push for gay sex in the beginning Hasbro or Larian's idea? I mean for christs sake the first door you go through is called the sphincter 🤮🤮 Just asking because if it's Hasbro then I have a LOT more respect for Larian.
@@snaphaan5049 YOu DO realise a sphincter is a muscle that expands and contracts to allow or stop the passage of matter through the body... A) It's not a "sex organ" and B) it IS a doorway restricting passage through hallways INSIDE a LIVING ship... literally what a sphincter does. But to answer your question, calling it that was a single writers idea, not Larian or WOTC. And C) your bigotry is showing, and it's not pretty.
You kinda immediatly realized the disgusting envy hasbro and wotc had for the success of BG3 when they were first doing absolutely nothing to cross promote the game and after BG3 blew up they were IMMEDIATLY pumping out youtube content that constantly referenced BG3 and were pointing out where their P&P System was superior to the video game etc. It was just so cringeworthy to watch unfold.
now i won't stand for that slander; larian worked hard to make the shitty 5e system playable, there is literally no place in the entire system where 5e is better than BG3.
no way in hell would they pick up that system. while i haven't played it personally and have absolutely no plans on it, it doesn't look like it could even vaguely function in a crpg.
@@ivegonehollow9364 No no. Fuck no. No fuck. No Keep Larian away from VtM. There's something cursed about that IP and Bloodlines in particular. Whoever touches it, dies.
@@ivegonehollow9364 hell nah, down with vampire supremacy, i want a changeling (either or, but i think i'd prefer the dreaming) game made by larian. you could say its _the dream._ or a mage game, but i feel like that actually is a pipe dream.
I had that suspicion too. And you're making a coherent case. As much as I like the DnD setting and would have wanted an adventure in Chult, a NWN3, PS:T2 or whatever, I think Larian have made the right decision.
Tbf the way he worded it was more in reference to DLC or Expansion in the traditional meaning. As in paid. But they're still providing massive content updates in the form of free patches. So they're not necessarily done with BG3 they're just not going to monetize it further
While you’re not necessarily wrong, they ARE done with making NEW content ideas. They are going to finish up and patch out the things they have promised already but they aren’t going to do anything more after that. Just wrap things up from here. In my opinion at least, I’m okay with it. New content technically isn’t over and while I could go for more it’s not like BG3 goes poof after they’re done adding new things, we can still play it. It’s just being closed out on the developer’s side of things.
Feels like Hasbro and WOTC are going the way of "We will sell licensing now and that's it. No more creating content." Based on all the internal and external moves they are making.
honestly, i'd kinda support that. wizards can't make a good game to save their lives, but the settings they ignore could be very fun to play with if a good developer got their hands on them.
If they would just allow people to make the content without constantly sticking their hands in to 'adjust' it, that would be a viable business model. But we know that won't be the case.
As soon as Larian tried to work with someone again, they were stabbed in the back again. Well, it's a good thing that no one will take away their own Divinity.
I haven't had any real love for D&D since they phased out D&D 3.5 for the board gamey 4th edition and depthless 5th. Some of my friends still loved D&D, so I occasionally humored them, but Hasbro simply *trying* to rescind the OGL has made never buying, playing or worrying about D&D again a very easy commitment. 😊
I frankly am glad that they're letting BG3 go. I didn't think it needed anything more. No more races or expansions. It already had SO MUCH. And Given all the work they've put into it, I'm happy that the devs get to move past this success and not get burnt out but fuel this fire in a new direction that they want to go in now with ideas that wouldn't have worked in DnD as well that they're excited to try. - This is according to a interview with Swen where devs came to him later and thanked him that they weren't going to do any more work on BG3. I can sympathize with feeling of wanting to put an end to a project after having worked on it for so long. Letting it be 'finished' is cathartic even with my most favorite projects. I'd say whatever happens from here in the DnD realm, who ever follows Larian, has a high bar set for them. So here's hoping they try to follow their example.
Honestly, BG3 gave me so much as is, and introduced me to Larian as a game dev. I'm now playing DOS2 and having a blast. Can't wait for whatever new project they do next, DND or otherwise. Edit: I'm absolutely replaying BG3 and throwing all the enemies at each other thanks to the gameplay I just witnessed.
In all fairness - Larian has never been a studio that wanted to release DLCs or expansions and as a matter of fact only one game they made has an expansion (Divinity 2: Ego Draconis has an expansion titled Flames of Vengeance). Swen Vincke himself has always been a supporter of delivering a full game and then moving on to the next project. We will never know for sure if the layoffs impacted Swens decision or not ( I bet it did but that's pure speculation). It is telling though that He specifically said WotC was great to work with. He never mentioned Hasbro - and we all know that the decision to fire all the people was made by Hasbro. Here's something to ease the dissapointment: Not having staff working on a BG3 expansion means that Larians next game will be in our hands sooner - and that's something I'm looking forward to.
But he never realease da full product. He makes excuses and eventually bends over to what actually the fans want. He cut the majority of the content because it wouldn’t be enjoyable. Awh yea saving karlaxh and having her entire story being a book half torn out gotta love that 😂
This.....was a really good synopsis! I especially appreciated the videos you used to back up your list of reasons for Larian's decision. Instead of using an annoying face cam, you simply provided video to back up your assertion. I appreciated that.
We have modders to make up for that. I'm honestly happy with how everything turned out and for the awsome job larian did. Silver lining, now we can make our own DLC the way we want it.
Sad for the fact that no extra DLC from Larian. But glad Sven and Larian are done with WotC and Hasbro. Looking forward to what the modders will do though. Fuck the greedy corporate fat cats. Peace.
Really nice video. Ultimately what I think is great about BG3 and Swen's stance of "We're done" is the game really REALLY does not require DLC. It's perfect as is. It would for sure be LOVELY to play some more BG3 content created by Larian but I'm not desperate for it. I trust them to keep delivering amazing games for the rest of my life anyway.
Can we please not forget that Larians Love Child is the Divinity series ? I know that many people love BG3 and may have only heard of Larian through that game. But they sacrificed nearly everything multiple times to go their way and to make the games they want. (And not all of them are great games.) I truly think that they wouldn't enjoy being tied down to an IP which is not theirs. Just look at all the wird Divinity games which were released. I think they wouldn't be happy if they had to churn out DnD Games for the near future. They also said that their next big project will bei Divinity Original Sin 3 while BG 3 was still in development. Oh and a last thing. Its honestly a smart move. They can't one up their games forever. Its smart for them to pull out before they end up like bioware and bethesda. I mean seriously most people wouldn't accept a BG 4 game with less classes or a smaller scope than BG 3. But BG 3 was already a monster. Pulling away from Baldurs gate and DnD allows them to focus on games with a scope thats manageable and desirable for them.
It is simple: Hasbro thinks the Brand holds the Power - not the Studio. They think they can now profit on the Success of Larians BG3 and thus make a BG4 and Spinoffs for themself. Also, hasbro and WotC working hard on the DungeonMaster-AI to aloow Players to play whenever wherever they are - without the need of other pesky Humans, and this is where I agree, it is a hassle to play with thoose running wild all over the Places, triggering scenes without the P?arty beeing even close to be present and wildly murderhobo everyone. they simply "do not need" Laqrian anymore and also the changes in Licensing and the treatment of the Fans and Creators, even of the own Staff, makes one with all senses intact walk away asap with all you got - which is in this Case BG3 and ones own freedom. This - sadly - makes even sense for Hasbro as enough Idiots will buy now all the Merch they coff up and all the cheap shite they will produce in the wake of this to make it profitable. Just enjoy BG3 as long as you can and then look out for something else until Larian shows up again. At this moment, they have my trust after the Divinitys and BG3 - hell, I am with them from the beginning with LMK, in which I set great hopes and was really sad about it beeing sacked (In Skyrim is a Reference to that Game or better, its Demo that was shown.)
Bg3 is still one of the best games ever made imo. It’s my second favorite game of all time despite its flaws. Knowing I’m not gonna get more of it makes me quite sad. Hasbro fucking sucks. Still gonna be on the lookout for Larian’s future games.
What makes me respect a lot for Swen and Larian is that besides making a generational gem of a game, they are using whatever attention they have now to also address many of the problems plaguing the games industry (for years), from layoffs, mtx, publisher and shareholders greed etc. In fact, their advocacy for more humane and passionate approach to game dev is already inspiring some studios to go independent already, like Toys for Bob. Hopefully they'll stay this way and leave long-term positive effects on the industry for years to come.
Having BG3 be the game that made Larian more known in the gaming scene is enough for me. If they make D:OS3 it's gonna be epic and I'm very much looking forward to that.
What if I told you that a game can be full and whole .... Without a darn DLC? I wish more devs would make complete games at the get go and forget the DLC boom. This way we get a whole new Larian game quicker too.
You mean like RPGs that were made for 4th-6th generation gaming consoles? There were a lot of great RPGs on those consoles and none of them had or needed DLCs or expansions.
@@MistyKathrine Yes, for example. The DLC boom has exploded in the 2000's and become a norm. It really doesn't have to be. Like Larian said, they didn't want to do a DLC in the first place, just a complete game. At the end of the year they started to consider it because they felt that they HAD TO. This is a problem nowadays. Half-heartedly made expansion could've soured the success of the game, and the game really doesn't need an expansion.
Expansions -used- to be awesome. Dragon Age Awakenings, Fallout New Vegas etc were just as good (or better) than the game they were expanding from. I figured it was more likely a Larian produced DLC would be something along those lines as opposed to the typical-these-days nickel and diming of people for a few new features.
@@kraqah There are good DLC for sure - But the bottom line is that Larian didn't want to make one to begin with. And DnD leveling system would make it very hard to up the maximum level. As Larian put it, if their heart isn't in it, it's better not to do it. They are excited about their new project, so it's better that they start to work with that. DLC shouldn't be something that the devs HAVE TO do. Not every game needs it.
If you had trust in a triple A publisher you deserved what you got. We've had the last decade of which the last five years should have taught you better by now. If you put trust in Larian there is nothing to be disappointed about. I look forward to seeing whatever Larian does next. They gave us a masterpiece and handed us the tools to do almost as we like. Any drama around that is a giant nothing-burger.
Hasbro/WotC no doubt wants micro transactions, Sven has intentionally said "Nope" to that idea publicly. It's pretty easy to see the difference in ethos.
With modding support there will be an endless stream of new content coming from the community and I expect some true gems here that will make up for the cancelled dlc/expansion from Larian. Very much looking forward to Larian's next game though and thank you very much for the masterpiece BG3!
this news broke me tbh im used to be a try hard only playing competitive games and really rarely story games but baldurs gate 3 came to a perfect time where i was fed up with cheaters and wanted to try something new i thaught i would only play couple of hours and go back to cs or rainbow but hell no im close to 1k hours now and i even got into dnd what i always thaught is a nerd only game well now im a nerd that cant get enough i even modded 5e spells and insanely many new races and classes into my game and after finding this new love and satisfaction i hear they litteraly drop the whole thing and i will never get any new content
you should try out pathfinder, or world of darkness, or chronicles of darkness, or shadowrun, or literally any game that isn't DnD. DnD is not a very good game, i'd say it is easily one of the worst i have ever played (out of around 10 systems).
I often wondered why companies would kill their golden goose(s) with blatant anti-consumer practices... until I spoke with an "exec." The amount of disrespect, projection, and slime in that conversation was so copious, I still felt dirty after two showers. Swen did the only sane thing a human being can do in that situation - he got Larian out and thank the powers that be that he did.
It's interesting to watch the landscape of video gaming follow movies and start shifting based on what we choose to follow and how consumer bases split and reform. Names of writers and behind-the-scenes creators are becoming more important to the mainstream. Instead of following studios, people are following names of people who were part of those studios as they come and go, and choosing to avoid other names. And gaming consultants.
Honestly im super happy. If you have played any of larians other games you can tell they are always getting better. BG3 was the perfect storm for them and taught them a shit ton about making these wildly expansive choices matter games. They always had the mechanics spot on and now i think they have the story too. Yeah maybe a lot of that came from the D&D side but now they have the connections and those people are up for grabs so im sure whatever they do next will be even better, and the characters we love will be reimagining and brought to life in so many great ways.
not to burst any bubbles, but i remember months ago when Larian said they had no plans for dlc. this isn't out of the ordinary for them as the only dlc for dos2 was a little squirrel companion
Larian has made great RPGs from 2003 onwards (Divine Divinty is a hidden classic and sparked my passion for rpgs as a child), its nice they finally get the recognition they deserve and what matters most is that they can continue making great stuff without hasbro meddeling
At the very least, if Larian is done with BG3, at least they add all the stuff they cut back into the game before they leave, or make it so that it becomes possible for modders to add the things back in.
personally i dont mind the fact that they're not gonna make any expansions. i wasnt expecting it anyway, since they already said from the beginning that there would be no DLC. still, its unfortunate they (allegedly) had such a bad experience with wotc but i guess that wasnt entirely unexpected. but i dont really like the limitations of 5e either, so im actually kinda happy theyre not gonna make another d&d game. im looking forward to their next game.
The fact is, there are systems better than 5e out there -- _if_ you are automating away all the math, which in 5e is optimized for ease at the table rather than fairness or balance. 3.5e was plagued by too much micromanaging at the table -- but I wouldn't mind rules that complicated if the computer is doing most of the heavy lifting. So if they wanna go Pathfinder 2 or whatever, I'm right there with them.
On a side note hasbro ruined the book side of the forgotten realms, which I still morn , but to be fair I've enjoyed previous larian games, and very much enjoyed bg3, I wish them the best in the future and eagerly wait for what they ill produce.
It’d be funny if Critical Role got Larian to work with Daggerheart in the future. Would be interesting and a great way to expand and establish lore within the new TTRPG. However I bet their next project will be Divinity: Original Sin related or something sci-fi related. Also, I bet Owlgames won’t go to making DnD games if they know the shit Larian probably dealt with. So the DnD video games are definitely up in the air right now and Hasbro and WotC are to blame.
why would owlcat _ever_ go to DnD? they have a _vastly_ better system and partner in pathfinder and paizo. its like thinking the richest man on earth won't go to your local pizzeria now that they've fired the nice delivery boy, their options are so much better they would have never sunk that low even before the recent drama.
the only studio that was in the picture besides Larian to make Baldur's Gate 3 was Obsidian the people that made Pillars of Eternity, Tyranny or Fallout New Vegas. Owlcat Games literally has Pathfinder and Warhammer what else could they even want more? They can make Fantasy games or Sci-Fi Games with already established Lore and setting that are known. Then we have the makers from Solasta they also made an amazing game for their studio but also they said they won't make anymore DnD games.
I do hope that Larian continues with the Divinity series as well, before BG3 they were working on a direct sequel to DOS2, i would love to see it finished
Swens speech about publishers and their greed is spot on. I wish him a long life and good health, because these are the people we need in this industry! Thank you Swen!
Hasbro has become the most reviled company of the decade. Right up there with Enron. Nobody i know respects WOTC or Hasbro for decades now. I grew up with D&D and hate seeing this. Just ask any Magic the Gathering fan. They'll tell you. I would join a WOTC Hate club. It's TSR all over again.
The writting was on the wall with swen interview. Leaving D&D is Hard thing to do even if you burn out you want to leave the door open to come back. This is not what happened, this was hard breakup.
Good. A graceful bow for all the work they've done and the joy they brought. I want nothing than for them to succeed, and the best way to now is to peruse their own work.
I'm not sure why people hoped for DLC and stuff. Sven said it before BG3 was even coming out there would be none, zero and that hes already moved on to work on his next project. This was like 8 Months ago. Source: Panel From Hell: Release Showcase. If you was a fan of Larian before BG3 you probably already know it, but just tip for the new fans. Watch their live streams and then you'll know for next time. Just saying so you don't set yourself up for disappointment. He was pretty clear.
I hope Larian remains successful enough to remain independent, because the moment they get someone other than Swen or someone with his views in charge it's over for them. He genuinely cares about his company and employees, which I wish other companies would attribute Larians success with how the studio is ran. It's no wonder 90% of the games coming out lately have been awful, because companies keep firing their experienced devs or having working conditions so awful they decide to leave. Turns out retaining employees that know what they're doing and keeping them happy results in a far superior product and work efficiency, but companies would rather just inflate their revenue by laying off thousands of employees and then being surprised when the company does terribly the year after. Corporation are truly killing themselves with their insanely unsustainable short term greed.
Corporations do not value their workers and the studios they own. Private studios do. And its very telling with how successful and awesome their games are. I remember the days of Bioware before being bought. And blizzard! Their games were amazing too.
To be honest, I thought your title was clickbait when I first saw it. However, I gave it a chance based on your past content, and wouldn't you know, I think you're right on the money. Swen said on his tweet that WOTC was great; what he didn't say is "but it's no longer great, because the people who were a pleasure to work with were fired, as Hasbro considered them expendable." And yeah, as a developer, as a human being, if they treat your friends like that, but keep asking you to make them money, you tell them to piss off. If that wasn't the case, I think Larian would at least be willing to work with another studio to continue expanding Baldur's Gate, or do an Icewind Dale game. That they just said "nope, we're done, it's your IP, we trust (read: not really) you'll do right by the fans" is telling.
I’m actually excited for this. Whatever Sven and Larian do will be a wonder, a gift, and I cannot wait to experience it when it comes. I’m team Larian all the way. Fuck Corpo shit.
I'm sure Pathfinder would be happy to have them make a game in their setting. Then again, the Pathfinder mechanics are really complicated and I would say not ideal.
pathfinder already got owlcat, they've been doing great if anything owlcat could leverage the success of bg3 to ask for more money so they can make a bigger game none of the larian games have rules as complex as pathfinder (no idea how complex pathfinder 2 is) honestly divinity original sin's ruleset is less complex than dnd 5e basically they would lose some of the mainstream appeal that made bg3/5e so goddamn successful
@@renaissancenovice7202 Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous biggest problem is literally Unity. That Engine is so unstable for todays standarts even though it is one of the easier ones to mod. If they would switch and learn to work with a better engine I'm pretty sure they could make a game that will be remembered like BG3.
I don't feel like the information available is enough to determine why no further major content is coming. One thing I do know and was already known before BG3 was announced, is that Larian don't need WotC or DnD, less now then ever. BG3 wasn't their first game to be a GotY nominee at The Game Awards, only they lost out to Breath of the Wild the previous time around. Larians money and recognition will have now soared to new heights yet again and I can't wait to see their next project. I am hoping it is Divinity Original Sin III because more of the world deserves to know about the previous entry. A while before BG3 was announced they cancelled their DoS2 spin off, but the successes of actual DoS2 were so evident that I was not worried about what this decision meant for the grander picture one bit.
