@@lisafleming9603 People also learn to finish their sentences. Also, not everyone accepts the ''role'' or sticks to it their whole lives which is what you seem to so vaguely imply.
This story is devastating from all angles. I honestly do feel bad for her, she made mistakes but she had a rough upbringing and her life was filled with trauma
Tess Eivers so their are a lot of people that had a lot of bad things happen to them that's no excuse I have a friend that was beaten and rape as a child and she never did things like that and she never wanted anyone else feel sorry for her she is not the only one
EnliveningJustice so what if that's what I sound like so what I have the right to my opinion and get over myself when I was talking about a friend wow that's new u have the right to say what u want well so do I. So you get over it and get a back bone and stop being so damn sensitive because there are people that say a lot worse than me get over it wow and let people do wrong things and let them get away with it who cares about the other girl what happened to her and no having a bad up bring is no excuse at all sorry if u want to make excuses for people and again I was talking about a friend but sure give someone a pass because they had a bad upbringing just keep making excuses not gonna make it in life if you always want to make excuses for things if she did it she might not and if that makes me insensitive well so what I have every right to my opinion no matter what I don't care who likes it but go ahead make excuses happy my friend never made excuses like that when she had it bad. Yes I would say the same thing to her in life need to take responsibility for yourself not make excuses sad that everyone wants to make excuses for her and I think people do it more than she does but again everyone has it ruff and nobody makes excuses for anyone else it's just because who she is even my favorite stars they do something wrong I won't make excuses for them it's sad that u think it's alright if she killed someone you all would be like oh she had it ruff and make excuses like it's alright it's not don't care how your child hood was. Now you're an adult take responsibility for yourself and again I have the right to my opinion just like you do not everyone agrees on it so what and make me shut up I will say what I want to say and I have every right to my opinion just like you do wow
So many girls who come from abusive homes end up in abusive relationships as adults. It's a shame. Parents need to be aware of the problems they can create for their kids down the road. If you have no warmth & empathy, don't have kids.
MsNooneinparticular not all I know someone that grew up like that but she never was in abuserve relationships in fact because of it. It made her know what she don't want and it made her a fighter so that not always true and some yes its true but not all so can't always blame people child hood for things
She was all kinds of screwed, in ways we know are not good for children. Abusive parent Divorce of parents Abandonment by father Raised by a single mother of low income first romantic partner is abusive. It is heartbreaking actually. She never really had a chance.
@@nealm6764 Please take divorce off this list. Divorce is not automatically trauma for children, many families adapt well to it. Divorce does not belong in this list of traumatic things, it's nowhere near that level of trauma.
at best, she obstructed justice. she deserved to be punished, but a lifetime ban was totally uncalled for. that was done to punish her for not being likable to some, not being the princess they wanted, any 'male skater would not have been handled like that, nor would kerrigan, et al, the proper princesses, were the roles reversed. they would have been believed, beyond reproach, and been back on the ice in 6 mos! tonya rocks. i love her.
elizabeth lacey honestly I totally agree. She admitted to her faults, but she didn’t deserve what she got. The association honestly wanted whatever excuse to get her to disappear from the beginning due to her rebelliousness and when the scandal happened, they jumped on it. Tonya was honestly way ahead of her time.
None the less, she made history!!!! I'm glad they made a movie that showed exactly that if you are too good, every one wants you out! And they failed... Maybe she stopped playing, but she made history...
Maureen Iannucci I don't remember committing that LOLOLOLOLOL but i think I was crying over this woman who's been through so much and have her whole career come to an end because of so much things
I kinda have mixed feelings about her. But sides that i feel she shouldn't of been banned for life maybe a year tops with a warning. She really enjoyed whar she did!
Yeah, she definitely has some of that denial that her mom shows. Tonya's involvement in the Kerrigan thing was more than what she's admitted. But at least you can see why she is the way she is. Nobody deserves to be abused like that.
Tonya had one thing thing for her, and that was skating. People hated her from day 1 because she wasn't cutesy, elegant, or rich. I remember the animosity that she'd get constantly, the crap... I don't think anyone else would have been punished like she was, as it was too harsh for the crime. They took away the one thing she had that was all hers.
I can totally see her getting a little more than just a slap on the wrist, but the banned for life was beyond rediculous. You almost wonder why she wasn't sent to the gas chamber.
Tyler Hastings A year wouldn't have been long enough. The point was to prevent her from competing in the Olympics. They would have needed to ban her for at least 4 years.
She’s the best female skater of all time, hands down. No other female skater, past or present, skated with the raw athleticism, funk, and torque that she did. She could have gone on to have a much more decorated and acclaimed career had of all the stresses and traumas of personal life not bogged her down. That’s why I’m glad she’s finally getting the recognition that she deserves. She was robbed of so much.
Tonya stays true to her roots. I think after the movie, we expect to see this graceful, elegant woman..and we won't. Tonya is who she is, and makes no apologies for it. That's the thing I love about her most. We all forget she was a wonderful athlete! And that's what matters! Cheers to you Tonya!
J. Potts um ok. Is it possible you could allow someone to have an opinion that _differs_ from yours? Um, ok try it and get over yourself. By the way, try a triple axel. See if you can do it.
Even though her and her ex husband hired a Gorman to injure Nancy Karrigan? Even though she denied it ( because of her rep), there is a reason she is told the most evil skater in the world
So you respect someone who was willing to cheat in such a way that she harmed another human person? I know people who have been abused who never tried what this woman did!
What story? That she was privileged enough to have a sport from a very young age and obviously succeed and then jealously kill another womans chance wow what a riveting story! Sarcasm 😄
billions of people have had a sport from a young age. Yet billions turn out to be below average gremlins like you who sit on the internet crying. I must be missing something here @@quantumskittles
I’ll always believe her, without a doubt. I feel so sorry that she ever had to deal with the mistreatment from both her mother and Jeff. Her ability is so inspiring and I hope she has found peace.
I think she got a raw deal...This woman was horribly abused her ENTIRE life!! Can u imagine what that does to a person's mental state,?? I'm not convinced she knew what they had planned. Sounds like a scorned lover getting revenge. It's all about power with these abusive men...Hitting her where it would hurt the most...They could never prove Tonya knew. Just my opinion.
abc left this out of their package: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w3DUHv2BN8Y.html (SHE said she "overheard them talking abt it.) i agree with you, i was just shocked that they interviewed her, but played this* as the preview.
Sean Taylor , I am from a small rural town, and I have also known a lot of people who talks and acts like Tonya. A lot of people have bad parents. Some strike out and others withdraw. She is very gruff and tough. When I look back at my friends, they were tough just like Tonya. Just because Nancy is quiet and nice doesn't mean she is a snotty hateful person. She can't help it she had a good life. People judge, but it was wrong to bash a girl in the knee, I don't care who did it.
Well that's probably true what you say,just like people say Nancy is stuck up and such,well,guess what that's what my New England upbringing calls a masshole,sorry but it's true,that's What people are called from Massachusetts. I'm not saying it's ok,I'm just stating that's how it is.
It's hard to watch Tonya talk, she's so abrasive. So clearly a product of her fucked-up life, defensive, combative, overly reactive... and just her strange, intense tone-- everything is either snarling, adolescent sarcasm, open hostility, or that forced laugh-and-smile thing she does at the end of a sentence to try and soften her demeanor (that one breaks my heart a little because it's so futile). You can just really see how it's like... how could someone with her background, and the personality that it gave her, ever have had a happy ending? I really relate to that and I like her more than ever after seeing all this stuff. Many people say the movie is "defending" her or what she did, but that's not what I got from it. Aside from the fact that the movie constantly reminds of the limits of the format-- having the characters repeatedly break the fourth wall to comment on whether or not something really happened, according to them-- even within that, I mostly got the impression that she just never had a chance, that she was doomed from childhood to have a fucked up life. That was what I felt the movie's thesis was (again, aside from the greater thesis of "truth is subjective, memory is flawed," etc). I definitely felt, by the time we got to all the shit going down in '94, that even if she HAD known about the attack or even ordered it, by that point I didn't really care or feel like it would have changed much. Violence seemed just par for the course in her life, she was surrounded by it, her world was nothing but violence and meanness, anger and disappointment. Did the movie make it seem unlikely that she knew? Not really. Between constantly reminding us that these are just stories reenacted, and the characterization of Tonya, I didn't feel they were sweeping that under the rug. Also after watching a lot of interviews and other footage with Nancy in the last couple weeks since watching the movie, I have reeeeally grown to dislike Nancy. She is so clearly just a nasty person, and that makes me care even less whether Tonya knew about the attack. Those are the absolute worst people, the mean, nasty, self-absorbed, uncharitable assholes who everyone thinks are so fucking sweet and great.
J. Levi C. When i saw footage how nancy remarks or commented behind the camera it shows her true color. First she commented when they were waiting for the medal awarding she made a snarky remarks about the champion because she thought the winner is being dramatic but in fact the committee is taking its time to find a nations flag of the winner. And that nancys comment during disneys parade, its bitchy!
stanley052380 i cannot agree with you more. When i had just started watching these videos i saw nancy and thought oh wow she is beautiful and tall skinny graceful. I can see why tonya might be jealous of her. But after seeing everything. Oh my god. Watch a bitch. There not an ounce of grace in her. Over dramatic bitch. And tonya's problem is she is just too honest. And so powerful. This all worked like a blessing for nancy. Had tonya being in correct state of mind and skated the way she used to, no nancy stood a chance against her.
Great take, agree completely. The other thing I find striking about her is how she refuses to gloss over her abusive childhood. Many people would couch their story with something charitable towards the abuser. SOMETHING good. Tonya has utter contempt for her mother and by all accounts, it's justified. It's a bit taboo to exhibit this openly in society as we have a culture of reverence for our parents at all costs. Tonya's fire for speaking her truth is what I find most inspiring about her.
There was a Black female skater who use to do amazing jumps and flips on the ice. She was a damn good skater but she was always judged harshly by the judges. I'm going to Google her and add the link if I can find the video.
Sarah Rayne Aww thanks I couldn't remember her name Surya Bonaly Yess she was out of this world amazing!!! Racism played a huge factor in her not becoming a house whole name or even being an Olympic champ. What an incredible skater!
John Doe because both the french skater, and tonya, did not fit the typical ice princess mold. Both were judged unfairly for not being generic skaters when they competed.
i just loved how she delivered her every words, u can literally pick a lesson from the words coming out from her mouth especially that "What makes people think i can't" bruh 😍😍😍
For all accounts from what I've read,the I Tonya movies is a biased interpretation of what really happened and if people are basing their opinion on just that movie...its sad.
@@janetdishler3039 Yes and yes. People don't want the truth, though, ask any of these stupid kids in the comments section and they will tell you Tonya had nothing to do with Nancy's injury because their entire "history" of the events are from the movie. "She didn't deserve to be banned." they say, but she's lucky she didn't go to prison...
Tonya Harding's life is such an unfortunate tragedy to this day. She paid a very heavy price. She was an amazingly gifted athlete and no one can take that away from her. I wish her happiness and peace.
I hate how people don’t understand that Tonya is the way she is because of the abuse (from her mother and her ex husband) just because “she acts tough” - she has to act this way to protect herself and feel better !!
Emoitnal abuse is not defended in this country and parents are the result of the problem! Tonyas heart was good her self identity was damaged from the abuse! Her and jefff were triggering each others childhood wounds!
It's difficult to like Tonya with her very rough blunt and rough around the edges personality but I also have sympathy for her due to her upbringing. Remember watching her skate on tv as a young child and she definitely had talent. Agree her life today would be different if she hadn't met Jeff who ruined her skating career. I, Tonya is also one of the best sports movies I've seen.
You'll never get through to an abusive psychopath. Their aim is to control by any means. If that means hitting, they hit. Standing up to a psychopath abuser is just going to make them more violent.
4:04 - 4:09 gets me, I thought exactly the same when I graduated, with a really broken, awful family behind me, very similar to what I've seen and heard about Tonya's mum, always criticized, always underestimated... I feel her.
I’ll admit...I’ve grown to really LOVE Tonya..especially after watching “I, Tonya”! Still think she could become an excellent advocate for any/all female athletes/youngsters!! Even despite the fact of being banned for life from the USFSA...Tonya could (& STILL CAN)...mentor so many young girls away from abuse! This can all end in a triumph!! ⛸💕
I love Tonya, most see her as arrogant, but it's not that. It's a defense mechanism, her eyes fill up with tears, and she shakes her head and snaps herself out of it, and puts up a wall , which is understandable, I had a childhood similar to hers with a lot of different types of abuse, and I do the exact same thing. She's incredible. If anyone got her where she is today, it's HERSELF.
Midori Ito was actually the first woman to land the triple Axel in competition, not Tonya Harding. Ito’s triple axels were also more majestic. Example…the 1990 World Championship in Halifax.
Most of us have a need to see only the good in people, especially the people we love. When the 'love' signal is mixed with the "violence' signal, it's very difficult to see the violence for what it is. This is especially true if the violence has gone on for long periods of time, or if there is a long period between violent episodes. This woman not only endured the physical pain of being beaten up but worst, the emotional turmoil of verbal abuse and public humiliation too. And it's all those years of constant degradation from childhood that breaks my heart the most.
Tonya Harding is an indomitable spirit. Despite all the hardship we all gave her she pursued her passion and showed us what she was capable of. Unfortunately she was capable of much more but her circumstances and we didn't give her a chance... I hope everything water under the bridge for her and she has forgiven herself and us!
At 6:32, "I mean I've known that I'm stupid, bitch, ugly, fat, never amount to anything for the whole of my entire life". That put tears in my eyes. The fact that she believed all those derogatory things about herself is so sad and tragic. This girl was seriously destroyed mentally. And in the interview she's trying to stay strong by laughing it off and smiling when really she hurts deep inside and just wants to cry. I feel like Tonya used to cry every time she was alone.
Gawd that comment hit like a truck. I was a skater back in that time, and she and I had a LOT of similarities. Poor, athletic, abused, etc. After the "spectacle" and she became famous for it, people started calling me "Tanya" because we were so much alike. I KNOW that feeling she's talking about, and it's just heartbreaking.
I remember that triple and hearing "Good girl"... omg, that was an epic moment. I'm thrilled after all she has been through I'm so, glad that she will forever and a day have those moments etched in her heart. She certainly deserves it! Best of luck in all your endeavors Tonya ~Always forward, never backwards ❤👍
I was born in a place where skating is not known that way... But damn it made me cried when that picture shown to tonya when she did the triple axel.. Her eyes says everything.. What she had before and what she lost at this moment...😢
I don’t like when people describe her as “rough around the edges” because the connotations of implications of that description simply raise awareness to the socio-economic status she raised in and not the abuse that made her that way. She was physically and emotionally abused from the time she was a toddler by a mother who deliberately instilled pain and anger into her for sport. And then she transitioned to a life of domestic abuse as a teenager, when she met and married that scumbag. She’s always had to maintain that rough exterior because it has always been her survival mechanism in a life constantly filled with violence and volatility, and victims of childhood abuse often remain stuck in survival mode, even as an adult. She’s endured a ridiculous amount of abuse, and I doubt there’s many other athletes who could sustain the same amount of trauma she did and still perform at top of their game. She’s a survivor.
Connie Chung says this at end of Video. "she married him, then she got separated from him, she got a court order to keep him a way from her, and then she hooked up with him again, Tonya is a mess". In I, Tonya, it showed that the Skating Assoc. gave her no alternative but to go back to her ex-husband to maintain an image of balance--or they wouldn't allow her to skate. She did not want to go back ti him. If this movie info is a fact, then connie chung is an absolute mess. And the skating assoc. is partly to blame for the attack. Tonya got it from all sides. I really can't believe she was in on the attack. She channeled her anger through her skating and fought for her individuality by insisting on it. Planning to hurt someone doesn't seem to be in her character--though the freakin' planet believes so. How simple. She was a complicated young woman, and as her mother in the movie says, she wasn't vicious.
The DVD bonus scenes brought me here, & she said SHE had to go back with Jeff to stay focused. Also, Harding (sorta) admitted it. This is the intro/promo that abc used that morning: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w3DUHv2BN8Y.html
Wish Tonya had never met him!! I mean she’s 15 yrs old training at the rink and why is Jeff hanging out at the rink? He was searching for a paycheck plain and simple !!!!!
Once you understand Tonya Harding's story, I'd say it's difficult to not to feel for her. Problem is, Tonya Harding is Tonya Harding's worst enemy. Every single story she tells, she is the victim. Even when it's the story of the attack on Nancy, her perception by Americans, and her culpability. The longer she talks, the more she deflects, people she blames, and more excuses she creates. Even Nancy. Tonya has even talked about Nancy's lack of character and how Nancy mistreated her! It's almost unbelievable. Tonya's not that bright, I know, but man, that takes guts. If Tonya Harding made a very obvious mistake (another one), if she drank, drove, and killed a little girl on a bicycle. She'd blame the kid. She has to. It literally doesn't matter what happens. She's one of those people that was going to be alone, because it's the only way she can demonize everyone else without taking responsibility for the things she's done wrong.
I came here after finished watching I, Tonya. I have no idea of his husband, Jeff, before (the real tonya harding was interviewing several times along with the other casts so at least I know lil bit of her). but, from this video I quite surprise that Jeff was actually walked, moved, smiled like that, his body gesture, his voice etc, just like what Sebastian Stan (played as Jeff) did in the movie... wow! (05:59, 06:03, 07:32)
"She could jump like nobody else could jump" ... "I did this. This is my jump. I had the guts to do something no other skater before me had ever had to guts to do" ... Completely untrue! Midori Ito was the first woman to land a triple axel in competition. Tonya was the first American woman.
That doesn't negate her accomplishment. You just proved this documentary's point and what the people interviewed on it said, nothing she did "was ever good enough", even when she accomplished something great.
MrTobikuma point taken though nobody negated her achievements. Lots of skaters had done things that other skaters had done before (like Kristi Yamaguchi did not have a triple axel and relied on other jumps,which other skaters have done to win). The only thing is that these athletes dont rely on sensationalism and big talk or 'taking out competitors thru unconventional means' to win - they just work really hard. Its just that I cannot stand the deliberate factual errors in figure skating stats when people want to celebrate Tonya's achievements - its like the media and people try too hard to 'make her all that' that they fail to see things in the bigger picture. It's like making her the second coming of skating messiah or something in order to exonerate her, to the point deliberately not mentioning the achievements of other skaters in the same era - just so she could look so good. If what she had done was enough, shouldn't that be merits for her on its own- rather than downplaying the achievements of others around her ?
I am new BIG fan of Tanya. She is just my new favorite person and mentor. I was 6 when she did that triple axel and I still remember my mom talking about it. I’m so glad the new movie has come out and she’s been able to tell her story. Rooting for you Tanya. Seriously. “What’s makes people think I can’t?” YES!! Can we somehow as the USA get her BAN removed so she can enjoy skating again? This women is a motha fukin living legend and she DESERVES to be recognized for this. Honestly.
@@tzuamourshihtzu9871 I posted a link stating that it was a preview. This was an Interview* w/ Tonya last year that told "the story", according to her & abc. I can find a documentary for YOU if you'd like. abc only posted abt 4 clips of that interview, they should be in the queue if you're on the YT app. EDIT: Someone compiled the 5 videos into a segment on YT called: "Truth & Lies..", so it has the abc videos all together. It also has "ANYTHING TO WIN"-a doc by Athlete Sports(?) 44mins ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-m8IgpOXRz0w.html And the E! True Hollywood Story 1hr & 26mins ✌💗 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pbi-lfWgeqM.html
I have been judging her so harshly. I will say there was a lot in her life and it is hard to function like she had to do in public. After watching this I see she was an exceptional skater, and yes, she was the most exciting and the best skater.
