“While this gameplay is rather sloppy,” ma’am, you completely _slayed_ with you using Demon Slave and Demon Masquerade simultaneously, what are you talking about 💀
Ikr holy crap, the tech using a long period demon slave ability and attacking at the same time without the auto demon bracelet is very neat to me personally. Idk man, everything on the screen seemed swift to me, the good use of that wink slave and the demon launcher is so cool so kuddos to op 🤠
@@mrekozack7817 I meaaaaan... Isn't that like the exact principle of Demon Slave ? Idk I picked that up fairly quickly while playing. This is litteraly the most optimized and satisfying way to use Demon Slave. Imput long but powerful attacks on your demon, release ZL and then get a free 2v1. Satisfying and looks cool AF (AND allows you not to forsake the original gameplay in favour of Demon Slave.)
While I've watched a lot of Bayo playthroughs, this short video might just be my favorite for now. Everyone else seems to be using the same strategies weapon, summon (looking at you, Clock Tower) and combo-wise and while there's technically no wrong in that, I think this is the first time I've seen the combat system in a way I felt to be fully realised or how Platinum envisioned it to be.
If this was "how Platinum envisioned" the combat system, they wouldn't have locked moving Bayonetta during Demon Slave behind a late-game shop item, it would have been the default setting. It's more a lucky coincidence that it's possible to gain so much depth from such a flawed system by circumventing one of its core restrictions.
Bros doing the most fluid and nice combos with Gomorrah which felt like the jankiest demon while I'm struggling to pull off something good with Alraune or Madama
he's was my fav demon to use against large enemies throughout the game, his bite during witch time is broken, giving you armor break and torture attacks, while letting u still get in a combo during it.
Gomorrah is actually the easiest one to use, simply because the majority of her moveset are their own combos. All you need to do is use her back-forward-Y, or circle-Y, or back-forward-A, back-forward-X, circle-A, circle-B, etc. and you essentially have her attacking on her own as you're free to combo the enemies to your heart's content.
Reddit post lmao I know y’all don’t judge me for my indecisiveness I guess it’s up to preference 🤔 “Gomorrah is a dragon beast that there are multiples of within Inferno so I don’t think it matters that much tbh😭I don’t think the games ever mention what gender the ones Bayonetta summons are”
@@get_lucky6402 Moonlight Serenade for example. Fly me to the moon and moon river in the past games had a special fast pace and oomph to the them. Moonlight serenade on the other hand felt watered down to me, despite being a lovely song.
@Painter Guy exactly! And don't start me on Viola's music. It so doesn't fit with the game. 3 had amazing combat and gameplay mechanics. But I think 2 overall is my favorite.
That's also how I personnally play Bayonetta 3. *To me,* it's not about having some strategies with Clock Tower and being optimal, it's about being stylish and *have fun !*
I think the reason so many people hated this game’s combat is because they played it like older bayo’s with no difference in playstyle instead of actually using the new mechanics
I did initially complain myself until the mechanics all just clicked and I was like "Yiiiiissssssss". I was still going to finish it out of loyalty to Platinum and being a fan of Bayonetta since the first game released (so many playthroughs).
true, this game's combat is hella good but holy fuck kamiya does NOT want us to play his game, he wants us to engage in spectacle minigames (the reason why game journalists are giving it 10/10's, and you bet your ass they don't even talk about gameplay in their reviews)
@@Thonato420 fair point but there's some part of me that has developed stockholm syndrome for Platinum's minigames. I am aware that they are bad, I simply do not care lol
Yeah I really dislike Bayonetta 3 compared to the other 2 games due to how my many mini games there are that take from the prime gameplay. Its like in every chapter, its super immersion breaking.
Bayonetta's gameplay in 3 goes from "liberating" to "downright GODLY" once you realize (and master which doesnt include me) you can pre-program moves to the demon slaves with long windup moves to keep them summoned while you still combo normally as bayonetta
When I found out about the back laser show attack it became one of my favourite moves. I have been trying to find out ways for sending enemies flying multiple times so I can just see the laser show several times. I don't care if I don't get a nice rating, that's one of the most amazing and showy moves in the game!
Looking forward for more Bayo 3 stuff. I dont like this game enemy design (huge damage sponges that doesnt get hit stun unless you use demon slave), but the way you played looked different
Just finished this game (love it btw) and am now working on getting all platinum (no pure platinum though, that's too much for me 😅) and I am still interested in watching all kinds of different Bayo 3 content, but I've never seen anyone playing the game quite like this. Really fun to watch.
Amazing stuff! I'm still trying myself to incorporate this. I can easily combo mixing Masquerade and Demon Slave but I just can't finish any normal combos yet while summoning.
It’s so amazing cause this is accurate to how Bayonetta would naturally progress these skills. In Bayo 1 the wicked weaves became Umbran climax, in Bayo 2 Umbran climax essentially functioned like Demon slave, in Bayo 3 and possibly 4, Bayo could potentially summon (and does) multiple demons at once! There’s no telling what could be next!!
Easiest way to learn this is by using the umbran clock tower as your summons with the combo finisher and when in use as a regular demon slave use dodge offset to activate the demon while playing regularly
Man, I wish this combat system wasn't inside such a slog of a game. The pacing in the first two was perfect, there was no need to make the levels bigger or put THAT many minigames
I can't stand seeing reviews call demon slave "clunky and slow" "just let me play as bayonetta normally" as if that's not still an option or something, and never considering "maybe I'm just not very good at this new mechanic just yet" I hope Platinum understands that their fans are enjoying this system to inferno and back
The problem is that Bayo's attacks have been heavily nerfed and/or the enemies' life pool boosted so much in order to make the Demon Slaves worthwhile, that you're actively putting yourself at a disadvantage by not using them. Interesting for a self-imposed challenge run, sure, but definitely not an option for playing the game normally. In fact, there are a couple of enemies that can't even be beaten without the Demons as they have shields against regular attacks, especially some forms of the final boss. Your last sentence is also incomplete: "I hope Platinum understands that [SOME of] their fans are enjoying this system to inferno and back". This is most definitely not a general statement.
@@ILoveBees I definitely think there should have been more areas that have “no infernal entry” maybe even 50% of the verses, with such nerfs subtilely absent. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with a game encouraging you to use and learn it’s mechanics, especially if they are incredibly well designed mechanics. If they didn’t do what you criticized, the game would be extremely easy for anyone who even dabbles with half of the games main mechanics, and that would be a nightmare
I don't disagree. I just pointed out that your dismissive rebuttal ("as if that's not still an option or something") completely glosses over the fact that the meta of the combat has significantly changed from prior games in favor of Demon Slaves and "just playing as Bayonetta normally" is basically equivalent of shooting yourself in the foot. You're actively punished if you want to play the game as the character which it's named after.
I would agree that I'm not particularly a big fan of how they handled Bayo's attacks when fighting Demon Slave class enemies (ex. Floccus or anything bigger). One of my main gripes with how the game is balanced is that none of Bayo's attacks (both standard and Masquerade moves) actually do anything interesting beyond numerical damage for these types of enemies. No interesting hit reactions, no ability to break enemy armor. Truth be told, I much prefer the first gameplay trailer when it was shown that Masquerade moves could both break enemy armor and push enemies around. Not sure what happened in between the 1st and 2nd trailers... At the moment (thoughts subject to change), I feel that the focus of this game is to absolutely shred through Homunculi using a combination of Bayo and the Demon Slave. You can play this game incredibly fast if you're interested in high DPS play styles and absolutely dominating these enemies. If you're that type of player, you'll definitely enjoy this game. But if you're more interested in figuring out how you can use your moves to elicit interesting hit reactions, you're going to be rather disappointed by a majority of the enemies in this game.
@@ILoveBees I feel like the point about "wanting to play as the main character" depends on what brought someone to this game in the first place. To some, this system will be a gameplay realization of the character's canon abilities that were limited to cinematic quick time events because of gameplay limitations, much like modern Sonic the Hedgehog games allowing Sonic to go through environments at speeds that would have never worked in the original Sonic games. But to others, they came to the product because they enjoyed the exact gameplay of the old original titles, and not for the characterization. Like for example: "I don't care how much faster Sonic goes now, I think the gameplay of the Genesis games was better" Vs: "We now have Sonic games where he can move as fast as he only used to be able to in the animated cutscenes in Sonic CD! This feels more like I'm playing as Sonic than the old games"
Demon Slave commands can be queued up, right? So, it's a a matter of finding enough time to input these Demon Slave commands without breaking Bayo's combo route. For example, a slow weapon like G-Pillar has extremely slow attack animations, meaning you can input Slave commands during Bayo's combo route rather easily. Faster weapons like the Yo-Yos or CMW are much more difficult, so I usually queue these commands during a dodge offset or the umbran spear equivalent. So in the clip above around 0:15, I'm performing Bayo's combo P P K P while inserting a Demon Slave command 360P during the first dodge. Here are the inputs... P P K -> Dodge Offset + Demon Slave 360 P -> Dodge Offset -> P -> Wink Slave Of course... this is much easier said than done. I'm not sure if I'll make an official tutorial since I still don't fully have a grasp on it.
@chrysaora 🎐 I appreciate the detailed reply, will have to check this out!!! Loved the combos! Looks like she just kept teleporting after the first one to the 2nd uppercut 😂😂😂
Yup, you got it. Though, I would start with something simpler because command moves like Back-Forward and 360 are rather difficult. Try something like this example to start out with and then slowly work your way towards the combo I listed earlier. Link to Twitter Example: twitter.com/chrysaoravioli/status/1588294799198601216?s=20&t=G3Wqjxq6Z0LKqH65i2cxjg
Ok so what kind of witchcraft is this? I will never reach thsis kind of level myself, but damn is just overwhelming to see how much stuff is packed on this game
Playing bayonetta 1 and 2 after playing bayonetta 3 as my first introduction to this franchise, I'd probably prefer bayonetta 3s gameplay way more, Bayonetta 1 and 2 are amazing aswell, but they didn't replicate the same feeling and hype I got with Bayonetta 3
I see this and just reminisce on what a dead dream this has evolved from. (scalebound if anyone remembers that game that never got to see the light of day. This is basically that)
Even tho B3 got the award, it was 100% not deserved. I don't know many action games of 2022, but something like Neon white or Metal Hellsinger is a lot better. But combo in this video really mindblowwing
@@robertnomok9750 yet Call of Duty and Neaon white WERE nominated in the same category with Bayo3 (actually Astral chain 2) LOL! And I didn't even know it when I wrote my first comment.
I think I have finally understood what exactly I dislike in the main gameplay portion of Bayo 3. *It's the Astral Chain of the Bayonetta series. They literally crammed in AC into my Bayonetta.* And I can't believe that's precisely the thing I kind of dislike about it, especially seeing how I used to think of how phenomenal it could've been if Bayo could actually control demons in gameplay. Fascinating. Because I can't force myself to replay Bayo 3 for the second time, all while furiously purposefully replaying Bayo 1 instead.
I know my thoughts will change after more time has passed but at the moment, I would say that Bayo 3 does some things better than Astral Chain (manual control over summons, queue system, more independence from summoner) but also a few things worse (summon call burst, heavily affecting level and enemy design, mid-air summon meteor effect except Alraune???, Wink Slave is sorta bad). I'm not surprised that some Bayo fans bounced off of this game because it's an incredibly extreme game that diverges heavily from the combat system established in 1. But I'm a sucker for this kind of multitasking so I can't help but tinker with it despite its flaws.
@@chrysaoravioli oh, go crazy with it - you are great at putting up the show with it and making it shine ! But I miss all of those numerous missing features of the original game. Like, for example, all those punish attacks ? All of those rare contextual commands ? Those hidden mechanics like Kulshedra’s ability to spin the caught enemy around, which never resurfaced with Alraune, a overall similar weapon ? The original game has this thing of going to the max with its novelty of being a game about humiliating opponents in any and every way possible. Gameplay and in cutscenes. So much sass, so much poison in it. People seem to forget just how novel and anti-genre it was to have angels not only being the enemies, but get humiliated by a sexy cheeky witch. Hell, I myself only recently re-discovered that part of the original game’s concept. Here’s for Project GG to get shown off next year. I am very interested in what’s Kamiya cooking.
@@Aidan8N yeah, I’ll be back to it eventually. The funny thing about Bayo 3’s minigames is that I don’t necessarily have much against them - I’m a huge The Wonderful 101 fan, I personally find it to be Kamiya’s ultimate grand soul magnum opus. And in that game minigames are quite prevalent as well, the main difference being that unlike in Bayo 3 TW101’s minigames are mostly STILL USING the main gameplay mechanics (meaning Unite Morphs), unless we are talking about moments or controlling giant mechs and space ships. They feel organic, unlike Bayo 3, which minigames have incredibly little to do with main organic gameplay. Not like, say, controlling Sin Gommorah is a real mechanic or anything… Phenomena Remnants, you say ? I’ll give it a look, thanks !
@@viewtiful1doubleokamihand253i like most of the mini games in w101 and bayo 3 as well. there's a few annoying ones but they mostly work. thing with bayonetta 3 is that working the demon slave is so weird and complex that you need a lot of time to practice with it, but the game keeps switching gameplay styles on you, so it's hard to learn all that stuff. wonderful 101 letting you draw weapons in most of the minigames meant you could still practice in them. the phenomena remnants are little bonus fights that you unlock for finding the cat + crow + toad. there's no mini games so it's a nice way to practice the combat.
As much as a hate this game and everything about it I must say you did really good in this video the only Bayonetta 3 video Ive seen with cool combos outside practice mode, because lets be honest anything you do in practice mode is impossible in a real fight but you actually did some awesome stuff here
Next level gameplay chrysaora. It reminds me of donguri990 with Devil May Cry Series and 옹발이 ONGBAL with Sekiro. I can't wait to see how much you improve? Also, have you tried changing the controller layout? Maybe that will help you drop combos less? I had to remap nearly the entire controller layout for Sekiro before I could play the game well.
I currently use the default control scheme because it's the most comfortable. If only Platinum offered rebindable controls... Really though, I just need to practice more. Looking back on this video, it's way too sloppy in the second half. I'm whiffing too many of inputs because I wasn't paying attention to the armor break state haha
This looks like how it was supposed to feel playing the game, tbh... I remember wanting so badly to be able to juggle the enemies between my demon and Bayo, but I could only halfway achieve it when they were controlled by AI. It's definitely a skill problem as evidenced by the amazing gameplay on show here, but... It never felt this awkward in 1 and 2 to me.
No worries. This game certainly has a learning curve due to the added demon slave feature. It took me a while to shake my Bayo 1/2 habits to adapt to this game.
