Trying out the updated JustFlight PA-28 Piper Arrow III in Microsoft Flight Simulator 

I was amazed actually.

I like that too

Cheers :)

No worries!

Yep - somebody else commented about it - NAV is longer range - OMNI is more accurate.

Aha - finally a description of why! Thank you!

Yep - we used to go walking with our kids when they were young, and get them to figure out topographical features :)

You're welcome :)

You're welcome :)

Did you try searching your email for 'Piper'? That's what I did.

Did you buy direct from the MSFS marketplace?

​@@reedi30Don't think so. I've checked there as well. Nada.

​@@AvallachEmrysI'm in the habit of trying to tidy my email by deleting old stuff. Not a very sound idea but it therefore means my inbox will be little help.

It shouldn't be there. I think it kind of ruins it.

Ha :)

Navigraph has the circuit information on the VFR map for many airfields. Outside of that, I bought "Pooleys Flight Guide", which has details on all of the airfields in the UK :)

No worries!

The marketplace version hasn't been updated yet. I imagine it will appear next week.

The Comanche.

You can click the blank area, or above the coupler.

Yep - completely agree

Mine doesn't. I bob up and down all over the place with a very recalcitrant trim tab.

@@kokoeteantigha389 Since this post, I have stepped up to the A2A simulations Piper Comanche 250. It's incredible. I won't fly anything else now.

Trim to about 2.0⁰ and full flaps down. Lower the power as you flare and let her set down.

I guess the marketplace just lags behind a bit.

Okay after watching his landing I’m coming in too slow

I may have been too fast :)

You're absolutely right - it is the A41 :) I often say one thing, and mean another - rubbish at multi-tasking :)

Justflight typically give you an installer, which puts things in Community.

Depends on the aircraft, the airfield, and the conditions. For most GA planes, if you're taking off from a long enough runway, you don't need flaps for take-off at all. I'm guessing the rational then for keeping flaps throughout the initial climb is to avoid changing aircraft configuration unnecessarily (would need to look that up though).

I usually slowly retract the flaps during the climb as I slowly build up speed which is when I took off from a short airfield and have obstacles over me.

Yes - it's the OrbX one. I just bought it from OrbX Central (their windows app)

@@jonbeckett Ok great, does the new version fix the slope of the runway? What's different mainly or is it pretty much the same?

@@Len_J_ It doesn't seem to be on a massive hill any more :) Just overall detail is much better - and the nearby roads and railway are there, which helps because they're part of the VFR route in and out.

Hah - yes - I'll need to read the POH to get the proper engine settings. I often find myself torn while reading the POH - wondering why the procedures are written the way they are. I guess it comes down to the nature of my work - when something happens it's not enough to know "if this, then do that" - you need to understand the situation, and act accordingly. A lot of POH instruction seems to fall into the "rote instruction", rather than "this is how this works, and why you should handle the plane in this way, given XYZ circumstances".

@@jonbeckett at the pace you make video’s and test planes you can not get into every POH. But in common you can use my tips above for aircraft with constant speed props (Turbo’s are a bit different, not to speak about Turbines)

It seems to work fine for me.

depends on the wind direction :)

In my neck of the woods (Québec, Canada), at uncontrolled airports, pilots often overfly the airport perpendicularly to the runway, checking things out below before joining the downwind leg. They of course continuously inform potential trafic of their intentions over the appropriate UNICOM frequency. An anecdote, on Anticosti Island, pilots will often do a low pass to check for deer on the runway and scare them off before coming in to land. The deer are so plentiful here that they come into town and you can approach them to within a few feet.

Normally you should enter the cirquit at the downwind entrypoint and fly the cirquit, sometimes when there is not much taffic, you could ask for a straight in (depends also if the aerodrome is controlled or not)

As others have said - there are broadly two scenarios - if it's a controlled airfield, you do what you're told to do. If it's uncontrolled, there is usually a chart showing the "circuit", with accepted entry points. Failing that, there are several accepted patterns to enter the circuit at an airfield (such as 2000ft overhead, perpendicular to the runway direction, then drop into the circuit).

Great video once again Jonathan, I too enjoy the JF Cherokee collection as I fly them irl. In case any of your followers are interested, when joining a circuit even at a controlled airfield, quite often ATC will instruct to join overhead, it will be for the pilot to know what this means. Generally we position overhead usually at 2000 feet and then descend on the dead side to join downwind at circuit height. All turns are to be carried out in the direction of the circuit. Once in the circuit at published circuit height, a downwind call is made and ATC will issue further instructions. Cheers buddy just my ten pence worth.

That's mostly down to my controller - and yes, it is a bit twitchy :)

@@jonbeckett Yeah I wasn't sure because you mentioned the controller too. I was waiting to see if JF manage to finally fix that twitchiness. Might have to buy another plane from SWS instead :)

Both Microsoft Flight Simulator and X-Plane are both great simulators. Historically, X-Plane was regarded as more accurate, but that's not true any more. In the last couple of years Microsoft Flight Simulator has arrived, and superceded X-Plane in many areas. X-Plane simulates the behaviour of an aircraft using technique called "Blade Element Theory" - that works out how the air hits the shape of the aircraft, and resolves the forces to animate it appropriately. Flight Simulator now uses a similar technique, but does it far more accurately. On top of that, Flight Simulator simulates fluid dynamics too - so it models the movement of air molecules over the airframe - which allows it to simulate P-Factor, slipstream effect, torque, and so on - making it that little bit more accurate. At the end of the day, they are both very good simulators. There are however numerous real-world GA pilots that have looked at both, and said Flight Simulator - for specific aircraft - feels more accurate. The real game changer is the world around you. Your information about Flight Simulator was wrong. It included 37,000 airports at launch, and has added far more over the last few years. What's more, Flight Simulator models the entire world in terms of geography - every field, tree, road, house, factory - you name it. On top of that, it has "photogrammetry" for major cities - so you're not only seeing an "approximation" of buildings - you're seeing the actual buildings. Flight Simulator also models weather for the entire world, live, and simulates airflow over landscape accurately - with turbulence, downdrafts, thermals, and so on. It renders the appearance of clouds very, very well - and various light conditions. X-Plane doesn't do any of this "out of the box" - you have to add numerous expensive add-ons. I'm happy to visit your local airfields in the simulator if you let me know where, to show you. I use a Thrustmaster Airbus stick and throttle quadrant. If you're learning for GA, you'll probably be better off with a yolk, and throttle levers - a popular one that lots of people use is made by "Honeycomb". Google it. p.s. I used X-Plane exclusively for several years - I'm not just bashing on it - I own both simulators.

@@jonbeckett Thank you for the detailed reply. I typically fly our of KIPJ and fly to KSPA, KGMU, KHKY, etc. Could you let me know how to intigrate the JustFight Piper download into Microsoft Flight Simulator? Sorry for the newby questions!

I thought JustFlight downloads were executable installers? You should be able to just run it - it will find the Flight Simulator installation location itself.

@@jonbeckett I'll give that a try. Any suggestions between standard, deluxe, and premium before I buy?

@@andyallen61 Premium has more "high fidelity" airports and aircraft with it as part of the package.

the updated software is going to ms today for the marketplace so that means hopefully by next week they'll be live on the marketplace too.

Thankyou :)

The JustFlight Pipers are very good since they were updated. Among the best GA planes in the game.

@@jonbeckett you’ve just cost me £40

I thought I was only doing about 5 knots ?

@@jonbeckett Possibly but in all your videos it looks like you are taxying at Formula 1 speeds .. always makes me smile :-)

I fly a real PA out of Elstree on a weekly basis. That rudder oscillation is something I’ve seen since the update too. It doesn’t seem associated with weather, and of course in the real PA28 would require right hand rudder to counter act engine torque. The Just Flight PA28 and the payware EGTR is what got me through my PPL in less than 50hrs, but there’s more work needed on the rudder performance to make it more realistic

I think some of the audience (the real pilots) just want to encourage peopel to do things more correctly - which I'm slowly moving towards. As for the others - yeah - it takes all sorts :)

The autopilot works fine for me. The real unit doesn't have altitude hold - it's up to the pilot to trim the aircraft manually - however in the simulated aircraft there is a hidden click-spot that implements altitude hold.

@@jonbeckett I got the piper arrow bundle. That comes with the turbo arrow three, the arrow three and the turbo arrow four. I also got the free download for the GTN 750. When I select the GTN 750 I can program a flight plan, but the aircraft auto pilot does not follow its navigation. there is no way to actually program any flight plan in the Garmin 100 which is the original system. The GS 530/430 works OK as far as navigating. I realize the auto pilot does not have altitude hold but if I am say climbing, and I engage the auto pilot to hold, the NAV, the electronic and the manual trim wheel is frozen and cannot be moved. It moves however when the auto pilot is switched off. I don’t understand why it does that but you have to be able to fly the aircraft and trim it with the auto pilot on since it is only designed to control the steering of the aircraft and not the altitude. If I turn the auto pilot off then you start going into longitudinal issues where the plane will not remain level. I don’t remember this in the real aircraft, in fact it doesn’t do this in the real aircraft. To me this is not worth the 50 bucks I spent on it. I just deleted it and request a refund. I’ll go back to using Microsoft default aircraft. Some 3rd party software doesn’t work.