TS&TT: Voddie Baucham | A Response to Plagiarism Charges from Joel McDurmon 

When they can't attack the content/argument, they'll attack the person i.e. Ad-Hominem fallacy. They don't like Voddie bc he doesn't agree with the popular spun narrative, so they'll find any way to slander him. God bless you, Founder's Ministries team for addressing straight from the source!

Of all things to talk about what's happening to our country, (possible lockdowns, COVID passports, Tyranny), why is the evangelical community so obsessed with a formatting issue from Dr. Voddie Baucham!?!? Seriously people? What has happened to Pastors in America? Great job, Gentlemen! Great job, Voddie! I love your work!

For anyone equating the scenario with Ed Litton… got to say I would love to hear from Ed Litton about the charges brought to him, besides the short, false and sad statement Ed made about one sermon, not the others dozens or hundreds. Thanks for the transparency, Voddie. It’s helpful in a number of ways.

I used the book to teach a four-day adult seminar during vacation Bible school. The class was packed.

Thank you for addressing this Voddie! Your book is amazing and one of the best pieces of work I've read on this framework. Your openess and honesty is a breath of fresh air!!

Bless you Voddie, and may the Lord open many many eyes with your book.

Thank you, Founder’s! Thank you Voddie for your desire to promote “truth and the gospel!”

Thank you for addressing this, Pastor Voddie

Voddie is SUPER AWESOME, I’m halfway through “Fault Lines” (which is also SUPER AWESOME), and I don’t believe a single charge against him. Keep up the amazing work, Sir!

Bro. Voddie, God bless you! Your family in Christ supports you! 🙏🏼❤️🙌🏼✝️

I'm glad Voddie finally addressed this slanderer's accusations (Joel McDurmon) and laid out his case based on the FACTS. EVERYONE who falsely accused and slandered this brother of plagiarism need to PUBLICLY REPENT in the SAME MANNER they falsely accused him of! *WEAK COWARDS*

When you do not have an argument, the best attack strategy is to divert attention from the issue by attacking the messenger. "Shoot the Messenger" is an age-old tactic, but it underscores not the truth of the counter-message but the weakness of the opposition. Preach on Voddie Baucham, preach on!

Sorry this is happening to you Voddie. Look forward to reading your book and thank you for being a light in the darkness.

I packed Fault Lines to finish on my weekend away...looking forward to it! Glad to see this video come up.

Of course Voddie is being attacked for this book, almost finished with it- extremely important book to read, great read.

This is why attacks with one way wording doesn't work. These discussions NEED to be had in communal discussions

Joel McDurmon has identified typological non-conformity (or awkwardness) as a mortal sin. He also seems to regard the accurate paraphrasing for the purpose of summarizing the ideas of a public intellectual as heretical. McDurmon seems to have no understanding of editing and explanatory writing and seems to not respect Voddie Baucham for having different opinions from himself, perhaps because he thinks Baucham has a biology-based obligation to adopt Gramscian Marxism. I find unethical behavior on the part of McDurmon this sad, petty, and malicious.

I love the coupon code! Made me giggle.

I appreciate that Voddie clearly said he mistakenly read his own words as Delgado’s in speaking on the subject. He made a mistake and has recognized it as it has been brought to him, repented of it and apologized to the person to which he attributed the words to. This is what it looks like to take responsibility for a mistake and also defend yourself where necessary. The text of the book is definitely a formatting issue, but, Voddie’s commentary is in *_italics_* which does separate it from Delgado’s words. The charges being raised with regard to the book are weak, the issue was the speaking mistake, which Voddie acknowledged.

It makes sense BUT it is kind of funny how these men on the microphones have awesome voices!! Preach it brother!

Accountability is SO vitally important - so blessed to have read "Fault Lines" and for Voddie's ministry and truth telling!

I read Joel's article, but it really just seemed like he was taking one writing format calling it the only one, and saying that anything apart from his choice is wrong. He also makes statements without providing evidence.

GREAT PODCAST 👍 👌 💯💯✝️✝️✝️🙏🙏🙏

Awesome book! My neighbor and I did a Bible study with it! We learned soooo much!

Thank you, Pastor Baucham! So happy to hear that your health is well. The book is AMAZING!! I devoured it in two sittings and have recommended it to everyone I know. I will re-read it and refer to it often. For anyone that hasn’t read “Fault Lines”, do it... do it now!! I cannot recommend it highly enough. God Bless!

Thank you Voddie Tom and Jared for standing up like real men, I love you guys. The truth is marching on

You guys have to get Voddie to respond to Bradley Mason as well. His comments on KB's podcast, Southside Rabbi, have been repeated as THE rebuttal to enable all of Voddie's words over the last 10 years to be dismissed. They (Southside Rabbi) have a 4 part series on CRT, from what would be a Curtis Woodsian perspective--it is an analytical tool. Mason critiquing Fault Lines is all of "Part 2" in their series. I say invite KB and Ameen to the event Voddie is at Sept 12-13th. They're in St. Petersburg, FL soooo... It's time to shut down the analytical tool garbage through debate!

trying to Make a case for the same type of plagiarism is so that people won't read voddie's book which in turn would show how crt and intersectionality has made its way into the church

That is how a MAN responds to criticism. Directly without fear for admitting wear error was made.

Formatting/editorial issues with appropriate citation… not an issue. Ed Litton’s direct lifting of multiple sermons over the course of years… major issue.

God bless you, Voddie! You are a blessing and example to us all!!!

Much to my surprise and great listening pleasure, Fault Lines is in part of my Avaliable list (read listen for free without expending the credit I was was going to spend to buy it) Audiable app. I have just finished listening to it and found it to be engrossing, informative and very well written. Thank you Voddie, for your hard work and passion in writing this very timely book.

Praying for God’s mighty right hand to hold fast to all of you! #truth

Yes! I've read Voddie's book, and this accusation from McDurmon just seems silly. It seems like he is hoping to call the book and Voddie's reputation into question among people who haven't actually read the book in the hopes of stamping out his message. McDurmon is well aware that his accusation is a farce.

Why is this not a private matter? Why is this charge by Joel McDurmon being made public? Did he try to contact Voddie to clarify this?

So, are we to expect an apology from McDurmon for wrongly accusing Baucham of plagiarism?

Will there be a revised edition to adjust that format and remove the basis for criticism? (I know it's probably expensive that with the physical printing - maybe in the digital version?)

Just the word "Turabian" sends shivers down my spine! - Seminary graduate

Devil has his pawns🙄 The author of that article is just trying to discredit Voddie’s work because it shines a blinding light in the darkness that is CRT. So grateful for Voddie’s integrity and courage!

Hmmm... can't wait for Joel Mcdurmons accusation of plagiarism against Ed Litton

When you wake you can't judge anyone.

This is sad. McDurmon was the one who planted the seeds in my conversion to postmill in a debate he was in. I’m saddened by the direction he’s taken since then. Oh well! Never put your trust in men. Lesson learned

I just had to go and look up who Tom Ascol is--such amazing wisdom. So I have a lot to look forward to now...

And, if I recall correctly, a few days after the book was released was the time when he was taken to emergency treatment for major heart failure. That he would even attempt to write something so instructive when he was 1. Running a university, 2. on a major speaking tour, and 3. seriously physically compromised only shows the depth of his concern for the church. Formatting, structure, quotes and details that wouldn't have gotten by when he was well are easily mistaken when you are challenged on so many levels. Any 'slips' he made, and his gracious response to the baseless allegations, only reinforce to me that he is a class act.

Gentlemen, I wonder if we don’t know there is nothing new under the sun? As sad as it is there is no person writing or talking that are not standing on the shoulders of SOMEONE. Can we all get over ourselves. God knows.

I thought that was one of the stupidest assertions. At a glance, it's pretty clear, at least to me, that the whole thing is not intended to be understood as a quote, because the quoted portions are in quotation marks!

Have two copies, can’t wait to share one of them!

I wonder if McDurmon did talk first to Voddie about his concerns as is the Biblical thing to do before accusing him in public. If he did not, I think it makes his motive suspect.

So when is the second edition coming out? That's the place to correct these errors.

Amen

Respect Voddie

"indent-gate"

Great video… thank you for doing it!

Anyone here

Eastern Rite Catholic here and while i disagree with nigh all of Calvinism, i have a great respect for Voddie and hes my fav Calvinist LOL!!! Crazy right? As a catholic, so many people misrepresent our beliefs so i sympathize with Calvinists in that manner. If people want to criticize and challenge us or you, it is encouraged (its a great way to sharpen our theological and philosophical swords) and should be done honestly... So i get the frustration Calvinists have with that. Anyways im rambling on, glad to see Voddies name cleared.

Took me a minute to figure out what was really going on here. This is really not about a misquote. It's really not even about Voddie making a minor mistake that doesn't change or really even affect at all the context or the major principal behind Voddie's book. After reading tons of comments on non Christian social media pages regarding this "plagiarism" it is starting to become clear that there is a group of people that are going to pick Voddie apart, even try to attack his character. Why? Because Voddie defines and explains CRT, BLM, and even the social justice movement from a Biblical perspective and in doing so virtually destroys their position. This is major to them, just as the Bible, the inerrant word of God is our Holy Scripture in the Christian community all these political/social movements are looked upon by these people as their holy scripture, their god and Fault Lines just dealt their scriptures a mighty blow. Voddie, you already know that these people are not your friends, these people will not allow your book to be a testimony against their scripture, against their god particularly at the university level!! I had hoped Voddie that there wouldn't be so much push back. I had hoped that maybe now you could start focusing on what's really important regarding racism. Racism does exist as you have pointed out. Racism does need to be addressed by someone such as yourself that has experienced racism from both perspectives. We now need to find ways to have open dialogs. Racism isn't looked at in the same way in the Christian community as it is in the world, however you have had experience from both sides of the fence. Shame people would rather nit pick than move forward. God Bless

Delgado even had to defend himself because of the stew of words that Baucham came out with.

Voddie is a great servant of God and meant well to write this book to bring clarity to sensitive issues on CRT. Drawing a reference to make a relative point and quoting are two different issues. I believe Eddie meant well to draw a reference and is misunderstood.

Good video. The thing I think I liked most what toward the end with Tom brings to light what really needs to be considered and remembered the most. What's really going on with all these accusations? What's the brouhaha really all about and who/what is behind it? I would just point out that Christians MUST be VERY careful about assigning motives. One surefire way that you can ALWAYS tell when somebody is walking & speaking in the Flesh and not of the Spirit is when they make claims & statements that ONLY God can make. Climbing up on their self-built throne exercising faux-omniscience from their self-imposed god-complex is ALWAYS a sign that one is at the very least in the Flesh and at the worst not saved at all. However, that said and without taking anything away from it, we can KNOW that this is all part of the spiritual warfare that is constantly being waged and with enough questions asked can get to a point where we can determine the Truth in a claim, the tactics and weapons used in making the claim, and from there determine by God's Word whether it is of Him or not. We may never be able to know whether something not of God is the Flesh, the World, or The Enemy but we can know whether it is of God or not.

Lol someone send this to Ruslan who kept talking about this in defense of his now liberal hero’s like Matt Chandler and David Platt

At 17:00 he addresses the "righteousness" statement

Love it! Great Response Voddie! And excellent promo code!

I Love your broadcasts, I love Voddie, and just thinking! I would love both books. Can you send me info please!? Thank you and GOD bless

Really? The author of the quotes said that Voddie hopefully at best just interpreted his words wrong. Delgado came out and said that the intention of quote was used wrongly.

My 5 year old son just said looking at my phone, "who is that?" I said, "that is Vodie Baucham" he chuckled and said, "that's a funny name"

Voddie Rocks the truth.

Watched

The web site in the link wont load says the site is not responding!?

You do realize Degado responded w/ McDurmon, right?

Codie made a decision to do what he did, and he was dishonest and misinterpreted Delgado’s words. A full apology is in order. Period.

Sounds like someone is trying to poke some imaginary holes in Voddies fantastic book, just so that people who are already predisposed to disagree with Voddie and won’t ever read the book for themselves will have ammunition to hate it without reading it.

Good stuff. When will that free book be announced?

Who is Delgado?

That's silly, some of the words and structure ARE Delgado's WORDS.

Uh, paraphrasing is still considered plagiarism. The last I knew of...

I think Lindsay's point is dead on, note this article from the WP titled, *Voddie Baucham’s publisher defends Fault Lines against plagiarism claims* Now one would expect the article to give face time to the title by providing evidence related to plagiarism. Instead we find this small mention: "McDurmon also alleges Baucham plagiarized the work of atheist author and anti-CRT activist James Lindsay." To be fair the publisher is addressed and quoted in response to the plagiarism charge, but again we'd expect that the article would demonstrate how Baucham plagiarized, but it didn't. The rest of the article is about the error related to the misquote, which is not plagiarism btw. Later in an attempt to discredit the Christian worldview, or at least I assume the author thinks of as religious fundamentalism, emphasis is given to plagiarism charges against Litton and crew. How do these folks get journalism degrees? www.washingtonpost.com/religion/voddie-bauchams-publisher-defends-fault-lines-against-plagiarism-claims/2021/08/03/dd387998-f4aa-11eb-a636-18cac59a98dc_story.html

I would really hope that no Christian would comment here in support of any party without examining the evidence first. Christians have a worldview that appreciates evidence, right? It falls in the same category with science and reason.

Clear mistake glad he had the courage to own up for it.

Plot twist: everyone plagiarizes The Holy Spirit.

Should have just led Voddie speak instead of interrupting him whenever he had a good train of thought. He had good things to say and clearly didn’t have ill intent, but this interview is awful.

Seems like Voddie is taking a statement made about the "majority group" and applying it to members of that group when that is not what the original author intended

Ya

Another thing I don't think they know that they're doing. This is great publicity for a great author. Lol

Thanks for the publicity Joel McDurmon. 😂

I find it laughable Joel read his book!

Why didn't you ask him about the video where he uses the same quotes and emphasizes this section as reading from Delgado's book?

Don’t play their little game

Your awesome forget them don’t hate

Voddie is getting flack because he's over the target.

voddie just call Mcdurmon a racist! lol. . because mcdurmun believes in CRT and all the white guilt stuff, call mcdurmond a racist and he'll succumb to his white guilt and he resign. lol

The problem is, they *are* direct quotes from Delgado’s book, laid alongside Voddie’s comments in the same paragraph. Some of Voddie’s material is set off by italics, some is set off by quotation marks, and some is not distinguished at all from the quoted material. The material that came from James Lindsay - even though Lindsay is not offended, and even though a few extra words were tossed in - retains Lindsay’s unique manner of expression. It is also not an idea to be found in the portion of Delgado’s book that is cited, being the one instance of attribution I would agree with Joel misrepresents Delgado’s book, at least where cited. This section bears numerous signs of recklessness, as if it did not matter to Voddie who said what, and it casts great doubt upon the quality of the rest of the book.

Voodie when you out quotes around words you are saying you are directly quoting. To give an idea where you can change words, you simply make your statement and footnote it. I am a Ph.D student and you know very well, that you have lied and used quotes around things that aren’t.

B.S. Good teacher, but pushing his agenda. He knows better and the way he said it, he was pushing an agenda.

Ever guess why Voddie does not preach this in black churches in America? Think about that...

You guys are embarrassing, Joel McDurmon did an extensive critique on Voddie’s atrocity of a book. You guys lightly addressed McDurmon’s critique and danced around Voddie Baucham’s slanderous, disingenuous error, the book NEVER states what the gospel is. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves smh