Killed 3 Pro & Pred players with a wingman and just decided for some unknown reason to not use the gun again for the rest of the match. He turned his cheats off coz he already got +129 RP.
Turns out I can’t find a clip , you guys saying that he’s one of them probably spectate everyone you lose a fight too ohh wait y’all don’t lose fights huh Hal even complaining he doesn’t have a wingman skin like Bruh not all people like wasting money on skins 😂 Hal really q’d up right in front of him and expects not to get shot lol
@@oceanside2010 you dont need to waste any money at all. There are two f2p wingman skins which every half decent player has cuz they have much better iron sights
Soft cheats, he deactivates them everytime he considers he killed one streamer or they maybe only work with one specific gun like the wingman which he never used after killing Hal.
Could also automatically turn off when they detect spectators. Because detecting spectators _also_ happens to be a cheat. I remember seeing talks about it shortly after the spectator tracker was removed from the game.
@@Richard-ck5zk he had a team you know it wasn’t 1v3 😂 look back and he got shot by his teammates bruh… Hal just got cocky queuing right in front of them thinking no one else knows how to shoot their gun
@@Richard-ck5zk they also tried taking a fight high ground without verhurlst… it’s called having an ego and Hal is definitely got one of the biggest one. If you kill him your hacking or he’s gonna blame his teammates never his fault lol
Honestly can’t tell just from this clip. I can honestly see someone having extremely lucky shots, I have had crazy moments myself that even I think I’m cheating. But he could have just deactivated his cheats when someone is watching.
His wallhack is obvious, its just when an ennemy appear on screen what ever he is small his cheat put a box where ennemie is and if he is not in the screen box disappear thats how it work.
Usually you can tell when players aren't actually tracking when they shoot. If they don't try to anticipate where the target will be when they're shooting by leading their shots, and are hitting shots anyway, they are cheating. Another thing to look for is what I call the garden hose barrel. Where all the bullets just shoot directly straight out of the barrel like a garden hose, whereas when we shoot the gun, the bullets deviate all over and we have to lead our shots. No offense, but you can't tell instantly when someone's cheating because you prolly don't track properly or you haven't played the game long enough. Also I've been playing a lot lately, and tonight I had two teamates that were movement gods, but I could tell they both had aim hax equipped. I think a lot of players these days use MnK and justify aim hacks by saying controllers have aim assist, so they enable aim hacks to "level the playing field", but it's not the same at all. I've seen legit MnK players that can aim better than most controller players.
@@ericdeleon6322 no you don't jitter aim on a moving target lmao. If someone is moving left to right or right to left you are going to have to track them period.
Its just the fact that he killed 3 pro signed players and had to be playing for a while to be that good. Yet no skins to show for it. Its just a clue to the crime. Not evidence
I think the guy just got lucky with this shots cause I have done a grapple 180 headshot and thought to myself wow!! That was unbelievable, but we all have those moments.
True, but he is not playing like d3 at all, he is not even d4 hardstuck. I mean even if he just got some luck, he can’t do it again and again and hit d3 with that skill
@@hms_trinidad your rank doesn’t mean anything, it only means the number of points you have. It is not equivalent to your actual skill. People have reached masters with a k/d lower than 1 before. And I think someone even reached masters without a single kill.
basically everytime this dude get killed, watching this guy also so boring, always use assault or smg, no matter he is a championship or what, other streamer who frequently change weapon is more interesting to watch
Hi guys, thats me! Unfortunatly I don't have my POV but as a few of the comments have aptly stated I am an average Diamond/Masters player who had an above average moment against Hals team. Hals team hit some nice shots on our team (me and two randoms) and we retreated but soon realized if we kept running we'd die out in the open so we decided quickly to turn around and fight. Fortunatly we caught hal in a moment of over confidence and over aggresion where he was very much seperated from Verhulst (seer) aswell as Stuhni (valk) neither of them were able to help him and my team easily took a 2v1 against hal. Hal went up his Q and was strafing infront of my teammate however from my POV he wasnt strafing at all, i virtually tracked up the lift and hit my 4 wingman body shots. I grappled onto Stuhni and he was already cracked and as I slid down feeling very confident hit a damn lucky shot onto verhulst who was already being pinched by my teammates. As for people questioning my aim through smokes, it was far less than perfect accuracy and anyone who has played in diamond and above has likly hit shots like that befor. After my clip I realied who I killed and was very excited and pulled up Hals stream! Not interested in arguing with anyone here, just wanted to share my POV. Didnt think this would show up on RU-vid, im famous! :) Unrelated by I am somewhat embarrassed of my performance after we made top 3, after my teammate went down we should have fought in the building as best as we could, however, my other teammate decided to run and that didn't leave us with many options, in the final fight it left us with a serious positional disadvantage which clearly led to our demise. Additionally I am a huge fan of TSM and respect them very much, I appreciate all that they do for this community.
How often do we assume the worst when people are simply not what they seem. Good on you for speaking up for yourself hammy, I thought you were cheating too but everything you said makes sense and shows you know your sht. ♥️
This is embarrassing. I used to respect TSM apex players. Didn’t know they were so insecure to spectate a random apex player, continually criticize them and accuse them of illegal play through confirmation bias, and then post about it on social media. I am honestly disappointed
Albraleile and naughty caught him cheating after dying to him and spectating. He cheats, the difference is that not everyone is a complete idiot and knows to toggle them off when you kill someone of importance. Make it make sense
bro everyone does that to check if the dude they got killed by is legit or a cheater and if its pretty much confirmed a cheater then they can get them banned
He is obviously panicking and doesn’t know who to shoot. Also when you get shot your aim bounces around like this from taking damage and he’s being shot by 3 people so it’s gonna be worse
he went from killing 3 pred pros with ease to barely hitting a shot unless they are stood still in smoke with movement and tracking that ive seen in average silver and gold lobbies
@@dee4818 not alot of close range fights. He hit 4 of 6 on Hal. Missed like 7 shots the whole fight. Not saying he isn't cheating, but he only hit 2 heads in the fight. Hal wasn't strafing he was moving in a basic straight line up and to the right while focusing a different player. I hit lucky headshots all the time jumping on people. Maybe he turned his cheats off, but can't really say he's cheating based on what you saw. If you could see his pov of the fight it would be different. Probably someone's alt account.
Lmao a diamond player with no skins is suss 🤣🤣😂, maybe that's why he has no skins, I play to masters and deliberately don't use skins for that reason, glad to know it still triggers people 😂🤣😂🤣🥳👌
@@interested3451 Triggered how so? Making an assumption based on what someone sees does not make them triggered. The likelihood of him having no skins as a diamond player is way more unlikely than him having skins as a diamond player. Which in turn makes him sus. Glad I could break it down for your simple-minded view
@@winthechatbaby6655 How does a diamond player with no skins make them sus lol, Amuse us 😂, your can break it down all you want, you just sound stupid, let me break it down for you, "some" good players use default skins deliberately 👌, comprende....
I can only imagine the number of false bans that's happened because of this guy. People get lucky. Not everyone is cheating. I get so tired of hearing him whine!
“This guy is so bad it hurts” yet he mopped the floor with you 😂 here’s a thought; all because you’re considered a “pro” doesn’t mean you’re not able to be killed 😂
The guy is bad. He played horribly the whole time Hal was spectating, yet he managed to, not only kill Hal, but kill the whole team pretty much by himself. Thats definitely suspicious. Its also suspicious how he never again used the wingman again, even though he just destroyed three pros with it. Why did he stop using it? He knew he was being spectated. And the default skins could also be related to him cheating. It could be a sign of him being banned before, so this is a new account, and he doesnt buy skins because he might get banned again and lose the money spent on skins. He turned off his cheats when Hal was spectating him.
Okay so some cheats has an activation limit. It will deactivate and come on from time to time so Apex anti cheat won’t detect it. It looks more like lucky shots than not.
TBH, that was a stupid Q lol... You were like 10-12 seconds behind a full team and you only cracked one. He didn't use his wingman because nobody pushed like how your team did listening to you.. It's easy to hit a headshot when you're dropping on top of somebody...and yall were standing still lol. yall gotta chill.
Usually you can tell when players aren't actually tracking when they shoot. If they don't try to anticipate where the target will be when they're shooting by leading their shots, and are hitting shots anyway, they are cheating. Another thing to look for is what I call the garden hose barrel. Where all the bullets just shoot directly straight out of the barrel like a garden hose, whereas when we shoot the gun, the bullets deviate all over and we actually have to lead our shots. No offense, but if you can't tell instantly when someone's cheating you prolly don't track properly or you haven't played the game long enough. Also I've been playing a lot lately, and tonight I had two teamates that were movement gods, but I could tell they both had aim hax enabled. I think a lot of players these days use MnK and justify aim hacks by saying controllers have aim assist, so they enable aim hacks to "level the playing field", but it's not the same at all. I've seen legit MnK players that can aim better than most controller players, these people just suck at the game.
They lost the moment hal decided to take the Zipline 5:31 instead of q'ing up on the rock to get the high ground. Verhulst had a braindead moment at 5:50. The only one that had the right position was the valk. Poor teamwork is what got them killed that's it.
@@scottybaimu2041 I'm speaking from experience. I've done the same thing on multiple occasions. Mistakes happen, but it doesn't take a pro player to realize that the high ground was the best option at that moment. I literally said poor teamwork is what got them killed.
It's crazy nowaday to think that a random persons on internet voicing their opinion about a game is a pro/streamer . It's not like it's a free country and everyone allow to voice their opinion. Lmao ?
So, what do I learn: To force out accusations the forst thing you need to do is to stay on default skins...because the skins seem to have been a major discussion point 🤣
Am I the only one that sees that Hal is playing with diamonds in ranked when he is already pred I thought it was just coincidence that a pred would be in my lobbies because they are just reranking up
I'm not near d3 and I've gotten lucky like this before Hal just can't accept that he shouldn't have queued up and ego challed that guy. Then verhuslt threw when he turned his back to the guy above him and then tried to peek him.
Same! Before the split, my buddy hit diamond, which somehow meant we were chosen to be fed to pred lobbies lmao. After getting shat on all evening by Alb and Retzi's team, and another 3 stack that I can only remember one being "MJ", I somehow pulled of the most amazing 3 tap wingman to "MJ"'s Seer squadmate while crouch spamming right before getting smoked again lol. That was one of the coolest yet also not cool times playing Apex so far lol.
One time I killed Hal and he called me a stream sniper afterward when I went to his stream after I read his death box and couldn't believe it was him. Obviously he's better than me but I just got lucky and out killed him in that particular fight. Sometimes streamers can't admit they sometimes lose fights
He's not toggling. Most people have lucky plays but they're average players in general. BRs in general are timing and placement. Skill is a factor but we've all been in the wrong spot at the wrong time. This guy sprays alot, there's no real reason to toggle. If the software is undected then it's undetected.
Yeah this clip didn't really show any proof that he was or wasn't cheating but I agree with you... if he wasn't cheating he could have honestly got lucky as hell.... this game in RNG alot and I would be suprised if he just got lucky.
Killed 3 pro players with a wingman and never used it again for the rest of the match. Lucky or not, that's sure sus as hell. If you're that good with the wingman, you'll use it specially after you just killed 3 players with it but he didn't.
The valk was def cheating but i dont think the pathy was... valk was shooting arrows at the ground but it was shooting at the other teams ... maybe he did one clip you just take the L
It’s not ego. It’s pretty odd how the pathfinder didn’t use the wingman after that fight against Hal. He showed that he was skilled with it but never decided to use it after their fight? Also he clearly was tracking through objects that he shouldn’t have been able to see through.
@@jamelgallagher6602 if you watch most players in masters you see them do it alot. Hal himself does it. Watch him or timmy or aceu even nick merks, they all track through walls. Its just good crosshair placement. And knowing where to look and what to look for. Yeah maybe a little sus but you could say that about most top tear player’s.
@@TherealJonTomWom ok well how do you explain him shitting on 3 pro pred level players with a wingman too turn around and not use said wingman throughout the rest of the game? Also how can someone go from outperforming three pro players to playing like an absolute bog for the remainder of the match.
I hate hearing “ right here right here” and spam pinging. Call out a landmark and or get your ping on the person. The right here call out does nothing but make people look around instead of focusing what you’re actually trying to get them to look at.
Ya'll are so ugraceful in defeat, you gotten got. It happens, doesn't mean this pathy is automatically cheating. He played a vry decent game against litteral LORDS, gg's to all
There's a Twicher named Rottenham. 4k 20 bomb. He might be the same player. He's excellent. Not well known but I've played w him before and watched his stream. Not sure if its him on a smurfee but u can ask and see.
Mid players die - he was just to fucking good cant cap Pro players die - WTF he’s cheating im spectating Most of the time there not cheating any body can be good at apex i did in a week😂
ORR guys just hear me out…hes good at the game even though he doesn’t need a RU-vid channel or clips his games for fame???? Cuz me and my friends land somewhere far off in the map, loot up, wait till the last 5 teams with still 0 kills and we kill other teams
Idk i saw them make some sus ass plays they arent getting called out for cheating lol. All of the things that happend to them they have done themselves. Everytime a streamer dies they scream cheats.
without a doubt that guy is cheating i've played with a cheater like this before still not exactly sure if hes cheating or not but i reported him not banned has bot movement but insane aim and the other completely blatant cheaters dont even get banned in apex playing in pred/master lobbies
That’s all they do, the moment they get a shit on they blame you of hacking they think there so oooo dammm good at the game. 🚶🏾♂️They just blame people for hacking.
Must have turned off his cheats after he realized he Merked tsm cuz let’s be honest Hal is gonna find it sus spectate and if he sees him cheating he’s gonna get banned
See. Here’s my problem with this situation! What’s a apex predator doing going up against a bronze anyway????? That’s the problem with this stupid game in the first place!! Matchmaking is terrible on this game!!!!! Period!!! It’s f’d up bad!!!!!!!
Most deff cheat and tried to fake it after I see I have default skins on pc and I’m pred but I have 140k on ps so default skins don’t matter if u change from console to pc
