Even as a white man, I had to move around to get ahead. I also had to work in fast food and washing dishes for 10 years, later stocking shelves in supermarkets and working retail. These are the jobs that many folks have to take to get ahead....eventually.
You don't even need to add the "as a white man" qualifier. It's the same for anyone who doesn't come from money. Someone coming out of a poor white trailer park has it every bit as hard as a black kid coming out of the ghetto. It isn't "white" privilege, it's green privilege. And your skin color doesn't matter a single damn. The only reason it's even associated with race is because of the statistical prevalence of blacks to be more likely to be financially disadvantaged.
To look at it from another angle; as a white man, you don't carry the impediment of being brainwashed that the whole world is out to get you and owes you reparations. You have the privilege of being taught self reliance, humility and contrition. All of which contributes to the "whiteness" that is such an advantage for our race. I'm being partly facetious.
What John says at the 20 minute mark to the 25 minute mark is the GOSPEL, and needs to be said in every race related conversation in America. Kudos to him for recognizing this and saying it.
John is brilliant and I love listening to him but will his words impact those in Mainstream? Will those in universities listen to him? How about the Democratic Party? I don’t see it and until this happens - I see us exhausting these topics with no improvement anywhere . I’m a bit jaded but it honestly feels like we’ve went backwards in the past say 10 years in the race discussion
I'm no Republican. No conservative at all for sure. I also think Trump is amoral trash. I can't stand how dim Carlson seems to be but I absolutely love John, a seriously smart and high speaking individual and find Glenn to speak very powerful truth. There are _plenty_ of people like me tuned in right now!
I found this discussion very thought-provoking and a wonderful example of how to disagree while shining a light on the complexity of an isssue. There is a reason I like to tune-in to to you two felllows. Thank you!
Ask the innocent victims of 'Omar' regardless of race. At some point, the excessive lack of accountability, and radical and aggressive behavior, will no longer be able to be explained by historical predicate. Rather, the excuses, ironically, are the impetus for that violent behavior.
I agree with John a little bit. People are not omniscient, we are trapped within the prison of our personal experience and knowledge. But, within that prison, we have control over ourselves. So yes, people may have more chances to go down one path as opposed to another depending on their individual life, but we should also encourage the broadening of the mind and personal experiences. If we say, "Ah fuck it, can't be helped," then nothing will change because we actively choose to give away our agency to fabricated demons. I believe both are right to an extent. John understands the cause, and Glenn has the solution. In their own words, people need to hold both ideas in their mind.
According to Thomas Sowell, Black people in the north (pre-civil war) before the influx or migration of black people from the south, had respect in the north before the great migration, dare I say immigration in which an uneducated, immoral black culture negatively disrupts the culture that they are migrating into because of their behavior. The behavior of their culture (like the behavior of school boards and teachers teaching immoral curriculum to grade school children) greatly concerned white parents for the sake of their children. That changed as far as the behavior of black people up until the 60's. How did it change? Why do we not want to know?
I agree with McWhorter that it's a lot more complicated that lack of opportunity in the black ghetto community. My siblings and I moved in with my grandmother in Compton, an inner city ghetto, when I was 8. We lived there in the 60's and 70's. We were on welfare, like some others. There were still a lot of black working class families with fathers. There were a lot of nice kids and families. However, there was a strong, violent, destructive element in the culture that we all, black and white, had to deal with. For example, if you did well in school, you'd get a beatdown. I learned quickly to get D's and F's, or I'd have a target on my back. Everyone else did the same. The main goal of the day was to not get beat. So you make sure you don't stand out. Failing, was a way to fit in and be acceptable. When drugs started flooding the area, drug dealers with $$$, were allowed to be successful, and their success at crime was acceptable. Rebellion was success, but anything traditional was sneered upon. It all got worse, when crack hit. So many in the community, including myself, suffered PTSD, and psychological disorders. Rages and violence over perceived slights were commonplace. It was a living hell. The little families moved out. What was left were the violent elements, which continue to pass on, and even, it seems distill the worst elements. I'm a regular person, not a sociologist, so I don't understand how, or why there was such a destructive, violent, anti-education, anti-social element in the inner city where I lived. But I remember the fear, and I know everyone felt it, and it's hard to stay sane and get ahead when you're living like that. Most people are good, but the violent ones can overwhelm and destroy initiative.
Thomas Sowell has some insights you'd find interesting, in particular where the violence and anti-education ethos rampant in those communities really originated. I'd heard that being educated would be looked down on. My school had maybe 25% black kids, and the boys would give grief to the one black student who was in the honors and AP classes (girls didn't get this hazing), but it never resorted to violence.
“I learned quickly to get d’s and f’s, or I’d get a target on my back.” Pierogi, you SHOULD be a sociologist. Because that 50 year old unwritten rule that the liberal black culture lets a few of its kids inflict on all the others is the reason why millions of them continue to sentence themselves to the low class for the rest of their lives. It’s not white idiot skinheads, it’s black and white liberals who don’t have the guts to say “knock that the hell off!” and let any child achieve if they want to.
Here's the thing John. Your problem is 2 fold. 1st Tucker didn't say anything about Black and Brown people. But you insert your interpretation as if it were fact. 2nd. We as Black people do commit a disproportionate amount of crime. And 3) We need to address this in our Community instead of just finding it offensive when others point out the obvious.
If TC said "you don't expect this from white people" I'd say he's probably right. But when he says that resorting to violence isn't a white people thing, he's directly saying that white people are above it all (superior) because of their whiteness. I agree with 95% of Glenn's points, and have no problem with acknowledging crime statistics, but when you leap to a value judgement based on skin color your comment does, in fact, become racist. I don't think TC should be censored or canceled, but we should recognize the comment for what it is
@joe42m13 Tucker didn't say, "Resorting to violence isn't a White People thing"...He said White don't fight like that...And went on to say "an alarm went off"...Feeling sorry for the Antifa man getting beaten...We tend to fixate on a line and then embellish with our own slant while ignore the context. Use Tucker's actual words and use them within the context in which he stated them.
@@griff3683 Thank you. We have been doing this for a long time just to push a victim narrative. Tucker was really checking himself, but that went over people heads.
I just discovered your channel. Great! Honestly, I am not bothered by Tucker Carlson's innuendo. Right now the black brand is not doing so great. I suspect a lot of different groups (Chinese, Indian, East European, Latin American, even African) would agree with Tucker Carlson. I'm with Glenn 100%. The black community needs to deal with the dysfunction and stop denying the problem or parroting ridiculous talking points of the race hustlers. We are on the verge of losing an entire generation. It's so sad. Black people are not inherently monsters, but our children are turning into freaks and monsters. The only people who can fix this are black people. Don't shoot the messenger.
Hi Glenn. Could you and John discuss the murder of 24 year old Areanah Preston? She was a Chicago Police Officer who was murdered last Saturday morning (May 6, 2023). She a beautiful young Black woman who was trying to make her community a better place. The exact type of cop that BLM say they want; the kind we all should want. She served as an officer in Chicago for 3 years and was going to receive her Master's degree tomorrow (May 13). The national press can't get enough of the Jordan Neely story, but not a peep about her, and sadly I think it's because of race. Mark Lamont Hill and theGrio Politics hasn't mentioned her, nor has Roland S. Martin, nor Joy Reid. She was a paragon goodness in the world that people of all ages and races could be inspired by. The media silence on this is nothing short of heartbreaking.
That's why I think all of this is about the narrative. They don't really care about these people, their show of concern is just a means to an end for them. It's virtue signaling and it's about identity politics. It's sad.
@@MorePlausible She really was. And I have a feeling - and it's a terrible feeling - that if her murderers had been white, all sorts of media outlets would suddenly begin to pretend that they care about her life, and are outraged by her death. But ignoring her story because the details are uncomfortable... is just wrong. There's a video on RU-vid "24Y0 CHICAGO POLICE OFFICER MURDERED DAYS BEFORE GRADUATING LAW SCHOOL" that has a lot of her photos and some of her videos with friends just being young free and happy.
The first lie any failed people tell themselves is: “My behavior is not my fault.” If you don’t own yourself, you have given over your inherent power to someone else - in your own mind first, from which all of your behaviors are born. Hate is a cope for those who refuse to become adult in a world that requires all living creatures, including humans, to meet challenges to survive and thrive. No exceptions.
The main failure of our society is the culture of self-victimization that is now permeating every social stratum. For as long as people believe that they are not victims of the circumstances but creators of their own future, they will succeed. Once they blame others but not themselves, they are stuck in the perpetual game of blame, with no constructive action whatsoever. I do believe that the culture of victimhood causes riots in the inner cities, but it is also the cause of 1/6 insurrection and the entire Tucker Carlson phenomenon.
I am politically on the Far Right, just found this man today. Yes, we would not agree on many things (especially political solutions) but damn, I would love to have conversations with him and be his friend. He is amazing.
@@raconteur5195how about when that professor published a story on how white people are evil and he wouldn’t let his kids play with them? Do you think he got fired? Or any real backlashes?
McWhorter: it's not anybody's fault... so why did fatherless household rates soar in both Black and other co-horts after LBJ's dependency-inducing responsibility-alienating Great Society programs? Those policies didn't just happen. They were made to happen... for very lucrative reasons. Look at the size of today's grievance industrial complex today. Take just the universities. Look at the well-paid positions accorded to grievance amplification. The growth is cancer-like, it's everywhere, and the livelihoods of a great many people depsnds on lawlessness and the destruction of Black communities in Chicago to perpetuate a gravy train that was given form and structure, and most importantly access to self-perpetuating public purse lucre, by LBJ's Great Society programs .
These conversations are the most refreshing, educational and thought provoking discussions available to mankind. Truly awe inspiring and I respect these two men so deeply for renewing my hope in resolving our country's civil discourse amicably. Truly. Thank you both for sharing your thoughts and remaining honest through out. This channel is invaluable.
Love your thoughts, Glenn... its not about Tucker Carlson. Its about WHY we are allowing such horrible behavior, especially by our youth, as they run around the streets of Chicago looting, carrying guns
@@raconteur5195 To be fair: some white people who are socially or family level abused...absolutely fight that way... Because the alternative is far more dangerous. That was the ignorance of Tucker Carlson's bowtie level remarks, imo. He generalized race without any semblance of nuance. (Disclaimer: his comments were apparently a leaked private message. So whatever )
Glenn; "I'm going to defend Tucker.???" Anyone who is literate and read the Opinions handed down by Federal Judges destroying Trump's election challenges is shaming themselves by defending a man who ignored the Rule of Law. Truly disgusting. A woman is dead and countless others serving long prison sentences after the Jan 6th debacle, led to believe the election was stolen by shameless liars like Tucker. Anyone with a megaphone willing to do that is a clear and present danger to our Republic.
John, people behave they way they do because they feel like they can. You can call it structural, systemic, or anything else….it’s individual lack of accountability, no matter what color they are.
Agreed. Caucasians have a history of being barbaric. Violence has nothing to do with skin color. People are violent when the law allows them to get away with it.
And more to the point, even if it IS structural and you don't have full control over your own destiny it's STILL better to act as though you do and that your effort matters.
None of the conservative commentators, like Megyn Kelly, have tried to unpack this comment. I get that it’s tattletale journalism. Still, is this the way Carlson thinks? I would hope others do not think this way. I do see a lot of people coming here to try to make themselves feel better. This video doesn’t do that though. I appreciate it. It’s about how a lot of Americans may think this way and why. But a smart guy like Carlson? What IS he thinking?
@CMG We have seen how many vids? and what videos? If we have seen. 100 or 1000, what about the missing majority that is not on video? We have seen the vids of cops abusing people. Is this the majority of cops? The mass shooters? Is this the majority of white men? come to think of it, is a mass shooting a fight? is it fair?
John really seemed intent on making Tucker come across as a racist but every bit of “evidence” he brought up was something he created out of thin air. He was creating a strawman that he could attack rather than what Tucker actually said. And it’s weird at first he was angry at the strawman Tucker but then he went on to say that yes Blacks are responsible for the majority of violence and crime… it was a weird bit of doublethink.
@@FreakyLynx OH FOR GOD'S SAKE THESE BASTARDS ARE THE KINGS OF DOUBLE THINK. COVER BLOWN YEARS AGO!! THEY WOULD RATHER DIE THAN OPPOSE RACISM BUT NEVER ENOUGH FOR THE RACISTS.. IT IS HILARIOUS.
52:00-what changed around 1971 was from a book a couple of years earlier: Blaming the Victim. It suddenly became intellectually reprehensible to make the argument that Glenn made earlier, that even poor people have agency and must take responsibility for how they act, even if they are suffering real impediments.
What an island in the storm you two are. Thank you and bless you for having these kinds of conversations and letting us hear them too. This is how you change the world
Ha ha what a name Holiday trout. Anyhow, yeah I feel like I am insane as it seems no one seems to notice or care how nuts things are right now. I cant agree more
Much as I love Glenn, his veneration of a clownish disgrace to journalism like Carlson, Megyn Kelly, or any of these TV personalities masquerading as truth tellers undermines his credibility. If we really care about the fate of our nation, let's all stop watching that crap, and call it for the modern equivalent to The National Inquirer that is
@@catbranchman01 Glenn is *impassioned* ... and always apologizes for a rant (as if he needs to (?!) This is impassioned *discourse* - let the sparks fly! (in other words, I agree: he gets mad quite a lot, with style and substance to burn!)
Just to clarify about Tucker: he didn't say that on air. It was a leaked message. The end of his text is actually quite introspective, esp for a random text sent to a producer. Tucker basically surmised that he recognized his own rage while watching the events unfold, found himself rooting for the pile-on against the antifa kid, but then stopped himself. He came to the conclusion that he didn't want to feel that way and that reducing people to their politics strips them of their humanity; if he does that, he is no better than the people he rails against. If you can get past his use of stereotypes in the beginning of the text, I think his conclusion was self-probing, humbling, and thought-provoking.
And to further clarify about the stereotype used...I'm inclined to think that he was referring to gang culture, not all black people. That's how I interpreted it, anyway
You mean come to the natural conclusion of Tucker's own utterances? Who watches maga thugs assault an antifa dude and says "that's not how white people fight"? C'mon, use your brain man. Maybe Tucker isn't the worst kind of racist, not an "American Front" kind of racist or w/e, fine, of course, he's not a neo-nazi kkk or anything like that. But, it's pretty easy to deduce based on this comment alone that he still thinks in racialized terms and it makes you wonder what sort of other ugly racial thoughts he has bouncing around in there. Good thing I never liked the dude anyways, so I have no skin in the game.. if I followed him, I'd have a lot of reconsidering to do, but ofc, we likely won't see that from Carlson's supporters, just more apologists.
You got this way wrong. Should have listen to the whole context john. I think your going to regret this commentary. And man have you read minds. Should be making money on that. He can't want to wish there was a right way to fight and a wrong way? And if more black adults said that to the black youth, set a higher standard, maybe things would be better.
Why can't Omar take responsibility for his own actions and not blame "society" and "history" and others. Omar behavior is his fault! He needs to take ownership of his actions.
no, not any race. some races you can say anything about. some races are attacked every hour of every day of every year by the richest people who have ever lived.
"Failure of the socialization of young people to the norms of civility that are essential to our way of life" and that is the root of the issue. Well said.
The hardest two questions, which they both avoided, at least in this discussion, is, however this came to be, 1) where will this take us all if this pathological behaviour continues, and 2) if we don't want to go there, what must we do, and right soon, to change to path we're on to avoid that terrible future?
Number 2 - I don’t think Glenn or John have any idea on what to do to get our society back on the right path. Seems like those that control the levers are taking us in a bad direction . I honestly don’t think even voting matters that much at this point. Voting red will not fix this . Major institutions need to be changed - media, universities and of course our government . Ahh where to even start?
The issues will get worse to the point where vigilante justice becomes more prevalent if police and das continue to ignore the law. The solution of simply. Just enforce the law, regardless of color. We gotta have some guardrails on society if we want a civil one
Is that environment one created by white liberals convincing blacks they have no agency, that it was stolen from them by whites and their only alternative is to loot, rape and murder white people?
Until the Black community has an honest conversation with itself about dysfunctional behavior and culture in the inner cities, we will all keep going around in circles. And the entire country will continue to disintegrate.
Well quite a few black conservatives have been talking about this for decades with little result. The black liberal crowd will have to start speaking about this and do it without blaming racism Or white supremacy though .. I don’t see this happening anytime soon so yes - we will still be talking about these exact issues 50 years from now. Just look at the past 10 years - I feel we’ve went backwards in the race debate
@@brianmeen2158 I agree with you 100%. I'm just not sure what the conversation will be about 50 years from now. Seems like the whole house is getting pulled down. And it's accelerating.
@@brianmeen2158 I think the horrible decline in race relations started after Obama was elected President. He made everything about race and the Justice Dept under Eric Holder took a hard racist turn with "disparate impact" ideology. We've not recovered from that, and the hard Left continues to destroy the country using race as a cudgel.
@@warrenpeace5150 I believe it is simply because it is much easier to blame racism for all the Black community's problems, instead of taking a hard look at uncomfortable issues like dysfunctional culture and behavior. By painting themselves as victims, it becomes much easier to demand that nothing be asked of them.
I don't think it is about black people, it is about white people and an individual honor culture going back literally centuries which is indeed a specifically (north-Western at least) European thing. Of course it's receding into the past now, but it still persists. When I see a group of people beating up another, I dislike it, not because I dislike violence, but because it isn't a far fight. Many non-white Americans share this view of course, but that is after being immersed in the (white) American majority culture. Frankly, many other cultures simply don't have this convention. I remember a story here in the UK some years ago, where a white English 14 or so year old boy and a Muslim boy got into an altercation at school, and the Muslim boy challenged the white boy to a fight at a football pitch after school finished... the white boy trusted his "enemy" to show up alone, so he did too, but the Muslim boy brought his cousins, some over 18, armed with weapons. They beat the white boy half to death, leaving him in a coma after being struck in the head with a claw hammer. Funnily enough, the Muslim boy was acting in line with his culture, where honor is indeed important, but not individual, familial, so it illustrates that it's really about culture, not race (but of course, especially in America, there are distinctive racial cultures where both are linked).
Interesting ideas... On other hand, us US whites really don't have a culture. We don't have myths and stories, name some. Koreans have more, maybe 3x. Americans especially have none of the Swedish, Italian, English, etc folklore, or ethnic traits.. My Finnish cousins strongly push for inner strength and thoughtfulness, and know they're different than Swedes, us Americans hate to feel different than avg..... On wider scale, a German wheat farmer in 1800 acted pretty similar to Spanish wheat farmer, and only read the Bible it's silly to say there even is a culture there... Basically humans are pretty reactive to environment, in suburbs do crime you go to jail, in inner Chicago crime makes money, so any person in these 2 places would act like this... So, it's the leadership setting consequences that causes people to act as they do...... It's fun to ponder culture in US and different races but it sorta don't exist .... My parents God bless em didn't teach me anything, they were meek like half of parents...... I do admit Jesus as kind and suffering and patient God maybe is the 1 European cultural trait, turn the other cheek, be patient, that maybe only Christians have, not Asians, not Muslims.... But a Chicago person is basically same as Nebraskan person.... I'm only speculating... I know I have no stories from olden times, I just react to what currently will work, that's not culture thats common sense..... I also wonder if blacks are smart, it's sorta dumb to work extra hard for mansion when a cell phone, beer, and women are better, are whites dummies??? Ha... .... Of 1m blacks in Chicago if 10,000 are scummy is it even worth discussing, 1%. More whites are serial killers, is that our culture, so whites are culturally awful??? Sorry to ramble, but maybe no culture talk is silly..... Just suggesting.... .
Brilliant! Brilliant!! This is my first time hearing Glenn Loury. So grateful to have the opportunity to hear him speak. Honest, practical and clear. A voice to be heard everyday on Capital Hill, Wall Street, Cable News and MSM. Cherish his perspective and learn.
John seemed annoyed that Glenn “always refers to the riots of 2020” as if they were something to be forgotten easily just because it didn’t touch him in his ivory tower and as he points out: he rarely watches videos of violent urban events. It makes him uncomfortable. How about the young children who were blood libeled and confronted by angry black supremacists and berated over loud speakers for simply being born and standing in their driveway with a basketball. The two sisters who lost eyesight from shattered glass at their balcony sliding door because BLM wanted to indiscriminately terrorize. Antifa violently destroying neighborhoods and attacking journalists and innocent onlookers with metal tipped weights on weaponized umbrellas and hurling frozen milk shakes as they burn down the CVS across from a low income senior citizen development where residents depend on the pharmacy daily. The terror and the dehumanization of whites and the subversion of anything attributed to western civilization. This was shameful and unprecedented. All the while, elections were being engineered, independent thinkers were doxxed and targeted for non compliance with the group think of the mob. White males were purged from corporations and put into a permanent purgatory, making it impossible for many men to provide for their families as our armed forces and government institutions were seized and infected with Marxism.
It's refreshing to see two black men discussing these issues with such clarity and without the fog of victimization. Now i wish they would discuss why black men abandon their families and commit domestic violence against black women at a rate 10 times higher than any other race.
When leftist point out the that the % rate of police violence vs % of ethnic minority, they say that black men are more likely to be victims of police. I think Statista showed that, on average, 2x as many white men are killed by police as black men, but because of the population percentages, this is still weighted towards black men. What they don't point out is that well over 90% of police shootings are against men. Nobody makes the argument that the police are sexist and targeting men right? The reason is, "Which segments of the population are most likely to violently resist arrest"? Goes to your point...
I don’t see any black man all I see is two intelligent awesome men talking let’s stop discriminating against one another. It all starts from simple naming.
@@arturmusakhanyan4982 You're right in that it frankly doesn't matter that these two gentleman have a better tan than someone else, because that's really all it is. We're talking about such a superficial difference, but the problem is, to win votes, the far left has made everything about victim classes, to make people feel like they can't achieve anything on their own, without a handout, and if you want the handout, you have to vote for them. Meanwhile, everywhere that's voted that way for four or five decades is worse than it was before. MLK had a dream that people wouldn't judge each other by color, and now snowflakes on college campuses are making PoC 'safe zones' to literally create discrimination. I guess so the students can 'feel safe from whiteness'. It's absolutely insane.
How about you explain why cops commit domestic violence at such high rates? Or people generally getting very violent with their spouses during the pandemic?
John seems to give Omar a pass saying it’s not his fault he doesn’t live up to the standards of a civilized human. At some point, it has to be the fault of the individual, unless you think that person is no better than your average dog.
I'm an elderly woman in a liberal city. I've been accosted, harassed, threatened and screamed at, never by whites, latinos or asians. I am apprehensive when I see a group of black (usually men). I say all of this as a woman who has dated black men and has two black stepsons.
I’ve heard the same thing from many different black men over the years - it’s all said one on one though . A black guy my dad used to work with definitely fit into the “pro black” group but even he said he gets more nervous when he’s walking through a parking lot and sees a group of black boys .
What you're describing, obviously has nothing at all to do with skin color, and everything to do with the fact that leftists have rewarded irresponsible and bad behavior for four or five decades to secure the minority vote. They've repeatedly effectively said, "If you look like this, everyone is against you, you can't succeed, don't try, we'll help you, just vote for us." California is a Democrat super majority for the last five years or so, since then, they spent 19 BILLION on homelessness and increased homelessness by double digits in both shelters/streets. Crime thru the roof. Millions FLEEING the state.
13:55 They keep acting like Tucker said it on his show and the question is about whether it should be said on the public airwaves. He did not say it on his show. It wasn't even in a text. It wasn't adduced for the defamation trial either. Fox released it on their own to the NYTIMES their nominal enemies to try assassinate Tucker's reputation post firing, weeks after he was fired! Fox went searching for a post hoc rationalization for his firing and found something so trifling it is incredible we are talking about it. it was from pre-show warmup tape that was filmed. No one but fox had it and the source to the NYTIMES was a member of the fox board of directors. The biggest thing about the Tucker situation, isn't the leak, it that a media company fired the biggest star in the business for his anti-war, anti-cia, anti-vax ideas and then they came up with a post hoc ridiculous reason for it and these two got drawn into the rationalization instead of focusing on the biggest issue. Can you not see that this means even capitalism itself has been corrupted? Tucker had more of the 25-54 demo (which is all advertisers care about) than CNN, PBS, CNBC, MSNBC combined on his hour of prime tv. He had the most popular news show EVER. He had the second most popular TV show on Cable TV itself, second only to sports. And they fired this cash cow not because racism but because he questioned powerful interests. Fox did it even though they knew their audience would abandon them. Fox's ratings across the entire network are down 25%. Not just tucker's slot. The entire Network. They voluntarily chose economic suicide. That's a problem when your entire society is based on the idea that really bad things can't happen and things will improve because the market will sort out the good from the bad. Tucker had the truth, and because of that he was popular and therefore profitable and they still fired him for the truth.
@Poz-Moe I think you’ve exposed the little man behind the curtain. The economic suicide isn’t committed by people who love free markets but by those whose goal is control.
I disagree. When Tucker says it's not how white men fight, you can't jump to the conclusion that he means in comparison to black or Hispanic gangsters or whatever. It is possible that he wishes white men with whom he identifies would behave honorably. And maybe the word honorable would have been a better choice.
Instead of making assumptions about what Tucker meant, how about inviting him to talk to both of you about that and other issues? I always thought he was a twit, but then I listened to his conversations with people like Jimmy Dore and Kellie Jay Keene and others and there's a whole lot more nuance there than you might expect. I don't know if I'm a fan of his but he has earned my respect. You're right Glenn he was addressing so many important issues that nobody else in the legacy media will even address or when they do it's to dismiss legitimate concerns
ilfutdnser, the problem with Tucker is that he should decide weather he wants to do serious journalism or stick to innuendo and race baiting. If he has something important to say, how can I trust him when he has shown himself to be untrustworthy? His show is an opinion show. Not news. He didn’t get fired over his comment on how white men fight. He has said very foul things on his show. I think he was just running his mouth when he made that statement and I don’t think it’s anything he actually believes. It was just rah, rah for the home team.
@@m.g.3021 Nobody is obligated to believe him, I'm simply suggesting you mind find nuance that can't see when he's doing his job for Team Fox. I don't have a television so I don't see him with any regularity. But I've learned in recent years is that only listening to people you agree with teaches you little
@@ilfautdanser9121 Agree that its good to listen to many viewpoints. I dont have cable television but do catch clips of him on RU-vid. I have heard things come out of his mouth that were not meant to truly enlighten anyone. There are many lies told with half-truths and he does it often enough. He isn’t interested in bringing people together but rather in telling them how they are being victimized by others not like them. Does it mean that everything he says is a lie? No, of course not, but I wont look to him to be enlightened. He made his deal with his devil and unless he changes, I have no reason to take him seriously. He said his was an opinion show and that people shouldn’t take him seriously. I don’t.
For what it's worth the "that's not how white men fight" quote was taken from a PRIVATE message which was never intended to be published and it was also part of a much longer statement in which Tucker reflected on the flawed nature of his own morality. If anything reading it made me respect him more as a human being.
Hitting upon the issues that prevent a change in perception of the black community. You can't shame a society into changing their perception when that perception is experienced and witnessed by so many. Its not all the black community, for sure. But the dysfunction is such a high percentage of the population. Until the behavior changes of that high percentage, then neither will the perception.
As someone very much outside of "the black community," it does seem that most of the touted achievements in art created by that community are focused on expressing pain and not on imagining or aspiring to achieve better circumstances. I am open to correction, though.
I am black and don't even know what the "black community" is. Why? Because nearly every organ attached to the "black community" is controlled by white liberals. Who controls black art? Can a black artist who promotes joy and aspiration get any media coverage or support?
He was recording, saying that, he never said that on air. Are we just start living in a world where people’s private conversations are always being policed?
Glenn Loury shows great courage and honesty in his assessment of the issues in the black community. John McWhorter disappointed me in his weak response to Glen's truth and seemed afraid to hold blacks responsible for the breakdown of the black culture. Listen to Thomas Sowell's assessment of the black community.
John I've heard you use negative stereo types on this show about white frat bros from elitist colleges. I don't think you're a bigot because of it. I rather enjoy your opinions, and sometimes disagree with your words. Thought criming is also a stereo type...
When social media gets me down and I think the world has just gone stupid I came to the Glenn Show where Glenn and John pull me off the ledge. Thanks guys!
A vast majority of Blacks believe that businesses can survive fine with looting, vandalizing, or stealing. These businesses (including small businesses) can no longer operate in those areas due to much higher insurance costs. Also, it's very difficult to find employees who want to work in the high crime districts.
why do you think that a vast majority of blacks feel this way? Have we asked every black person in the US and taken a tally? I seriously doubt that a vast majority of black people feel this way. Its interesting and sad how we get defined.
@CMG There appears to be a lack of critical thinking on the part of people who think that they know and can define what the “vast majority” of black people are thinking, because they have seen or heard of “some people” behaving in a certain way or saying something. “Some people” becomes how they then decide to define the majority of a group. That is not critical thinking.
Thank you as always for a great conversation. As a son of Latino Americanos and immigrant to this great country...We came from a very dangerous and complicated atmosphere back in Peru in the 80's. I see the structural issues and disadvantages to Black Americans, immigrants, etc.; however, opportunities exist with all the challenges that exist in our society...I have been profiled, discriminated against but it didn't stop me nor did it defeat me to continue forward, we'll find that everywhere, but America holds the unique distinction to have opportunities. Thank you, gents
John is correct, there wasn't a lack of jobs in the late 60's. It was actually the last time we had a real labor shortage - because of the Vietnam war. Outsourcing had begun in earnest but it hadn't yet devastated American manufacturing. Long beach in Los Angeles California was still a manufacturing mecca then. The economy was hot for essentially the entire 1960s. There were still 80,000 manufacturing jobs in long beech alone.
Thomas Sowell who only cares about facts, says it’s culture that causes these behaviors. It’s not race because people who come here from other countries like Africa and West Indies are very successful. Nigerians are at the top of success in US. They didn’t grow up here. They came in search of better life and they took full advantage of all the freedom and opportunities here and became successful in just few years. Hard work and desire for success should not get a bad rap, because it does work. It’s best to stay in touch with reality. How can you help educate others if you are offering them excuses for failure. They need the truth.
The problem is the black community condones and promotes bad black behavior. He’s stating effectively what we’re living out: Gangster is our accepted culture. THUG LIFE. It’s OUR THING. We could just as easily have fools trying to sue folks for cultural appropriation for handing out a gangsta-like beat down. We can’t embrace and disgrace our behavior so cavalierly.
Glenn - ultimate respect. I have a serious question for you to address in future shows: The people in society that need to hear and understand what you have to say, do not seem to be the audience you currently have. How can you get your messages to have more impact at the most effective place in society? Keep going. The world really needs people of your caliber!
This really is the key question. Glenn is an old dude (and John is no spring chicken) - the stuff they’re saying needs to reach the ears of a younger and more liberal crowd
Glad to hear someone like Glenn who says things as they are. He sees reality and doesn't excuse social dysfunction using the race card or any other victimology narrative. He diagnosis and speaks about addressing issues to finally seek solutions.
The solutions, are for Afrikaans, to return, and take their HOMELAND back from the babylonian(international zionist) Central Banker TRASHbags. Afrikaans never belonged anywhere else, and until the interference of Jesuits, they did just fine.
McWhorter, you miss that Tucker has produced and used the evidence of words spoken or written to support Dem positions. For example, “replacement theory” has been a Dem position in their internal dialogue for years for why they will ultimately win out!
Is Tucker Carlson saying white people shouldn't fight like this any different than Louis Farrakhan saying Black people shouldn't fight like this? Both are acknowledging the WorldStarHipHop images of Black kids fighting that have entered the zeitgeist. Both are saying that fellow men in their respective racial groups should rise above that kind of behavior promulgated by popular culture, the media, the government and white supremacist society.
It's not bigoted, it's making a cultural point. Are black and white, Asian and Islamic, cultures different? Of course, otherwise what's the value of real multiculturalism. The point is that certain people had cultural norms about how to fight, no matter how imperfectly they were applied. There were certain things you didn't do. In Greece in the 70s, you could see two taxi drivers shouting at each other, nose to nose, after a fender bender. Yet it never ended in physical violence. If this this happened in 21st century urban, read black, America, how long would it take before a thug pulled out a gun and shot someone? Any analysis of rare events, risks including the innocent, most people, with the thugs. We all profile. Who's a threat? What niche are we in? What time is it? Are there other people around? So the profile: age and gender, young and male, are way more dangerous than old people, women, little kids. Then you add race, class, behavior. And you make a tentative judgment. Am I afraid? We all do it. And I'm sure good black parents tell their kids to do the same thing. Addition: Are we talking about Omar in The Wire? Omar had a ethos. There were certain things you didn't do. So while he was certainly not non-violent, he had a sense of honor. That was also said about the Mafia. In Philly, gangbangers in masks, jump out of a van, fire 45 shots down a street, not caring who they murder, drive away and the police don't have a clue. Honor and shame are connected.
In defence of Tucker I would point out that regardless of whether he considers the excesses of black violence to be inherent or cultural he, like Mr Loury & McWhorter, has an understandable interest in how his "own people" conduct themselves. If, as seems the case, he was showing a concern that some white youths were behaving in the terrible way that a disproportionate number of black youths behave then what exactly is the problem with setting a standard as to how his group should behave? There should actually be a code of violence in society. A society in which one on one fighting is considered "more honourable" is better than a society in which groups of people jump in and stomp individuals to the ground. And all ethnic groups have an interest in establishing a code of conduct. And in an ethnically diverse society it is also important for groups to understand how members of other groups MIGHT behave. I am sorry but if I am having an argument with a group of Chinese teenagers I am probably not girding myself for the level of violence I would be if I were arguing with a group of black teenagers. It is simply a reality. And regardless of whether that reality is inherent genetically or historically constructed (or both) people have a moral right to help navigate "their folk" through that reality.
The big problem is guys, is when the bottomless reservoir of sympathy and money runs out. What happens when the inevitable collapse of daddy government happens. When the checks stop flowing and the rest of us don’t have the first world luxury of treating an entire segment of our society like the kids who ride the short bus. How many of that group have any skills outside eating fast food and drinking sugary drinks. There will be a holocaust and there is no stopping it.
As a foreigner who has followed this fir nearly half a century, from a distance, its the culture combined with a constant 'we need to help black folk' victim type thing that looks to not only be a huge part of the problem but I imagine it's wearing thin on many people. The Thug Life culture has now infected black people (mostly young, mostly male) around the world. Worst, it's got to Africa. There are young kids in various African countries rapping about 'hoes,b*tches and g*ns' . If its infected Christian and Muslim African countries, its absolutely infecting (as opposed to being systemic from 'white' people) generation after generation of young black men and boys. Until that culture is called out by other Black Men .. (because we know non Black folk aren't allowed to) nothing will change. We'll go another 50 years with all the effort going towards young Black Americans , all the racism being implied that its mostly against the 6% of Black Male Americans, another 50 years of villainising heroes , and heroising villains. And on and on and on it goes. P.S. John, you didn't talk about the second half of Carlsons text/ essay. Disappointing but you work for the NYT don't you?
Good post and I agree - it will take a more liberal type black man that has quite a bit of respect amongst the black community already to come out and say this .. black conservatives have been saying this for decades and we all know the names they get called. That said, do we have current examples of black men alive today that have the respect and intelligence to make a statement? Obama? Dyson? Cornell West? I just have a bad feeling that even if one of these black man said this - he would immediately be called an Uncle Tom and then his respect in the black community would plummet. Perhaps if a large group of respected black men got together it could work…?
nailed it; how on one hand can you object to being called a "thug" (and perceived as one based on dress and attitude), and on the other hand, make "thug life" the express goal of your culture?
That culture largely exists in entertainment. It is a contrived situation and not related to everyday reality. Most Blaq men in America are in jail for non violent offences. America is devoted to whyte male survival but you have fallen for the con game.
Growing up, we were always taught to tell the truth no matter the outcome. Seventy years later, I still do just that and though I have very few friends as a result, they are the finest one could find anywhere. Nearly every trouble one could wish to point to is a result, either directly or indirectly, of not telling the truth. Tell the truth and if you don't know what that is, say:" I DON'T KNOW."
Phew! Glenn's point is well taken and beautifully articulated. We HAVE to be able to be honest about even the most uncomfortable things if we truly want a resolution to the issues that we all know have gotten out of control.
Another swing and a miss, John. These seem to occur more frequently of late. Makes me ponder the motivation or is the neo-lib orbit that hard to break free of?
I can agree that those communities need more opportunity. Who is gonna risk their wealth to provide that opportunity in a community that is unsafe and prone to theft? Nobody answers the second part.
Add to the fact that those kids they want to provide opportunities for simply don’t want to work….specially not for minimum wage. To them it’s fast money vs slow money. They’d rather steal, rob, “hit a lick”, then wait for a paycheck. Society as a a whole is suffering from the inability for delayed gratification and has instead opted for instant gratification. To add the cherry on top, the people running the major cities are pro criminal, thus creating a free for all environment where criminals are emboldened since there are little to no repercussions.
Lots of companies big and small have declined to participate in various economic ecosystems wherein theft and robbery and corruption prevail, and there is no business model that can survive. Includes many of the most woke companies and those founded and run by minority entrepreneurs.
@@anticommunistOAC there’s a growing amount of men that don’t want to work at all .. currently 7 million men out of work and not looking for work . Not good
Yea but how much influence do they have on the mainstream ? Can they get powerful people in mainstream discourse to change their mind? I doubt it . I think we will be talking about these same issues for decades to come
One thing worth noting: there are far too few male teachers - and techers of coulur in schools. Not only fathers are absent, so are the male teachers also. Raise the pay and the status. Respect your teachers. Respect yourself. Such advice seems banal, and it is. It is also true.
Yes it might be true, but in my experience everyone who I knew who went into the education field, excluding some individuals pursuing doctorate or a career in research at a university, was extremely unimpressive as individuals... they were in general lazy CPU game nerds or potheads who had disdain for hard work, loathed the overly ambitious, were Marxist in their fiscal perspective and a lot of them did not did not have a goal Beyond getting the absolute bare minimum for your degree required to teach in middle school or High School. And then once they're hired, they're basically set for life. and then over time they see others achieve goals and fall behind in social standing... leading to identifying as a victim w other individuals who share a dislike for Western civilization, for one of many reasons. This leads to a resentment of the entire system and a generally anti-western attitude when teaching... and it rubs off on the students. Any guy that I know had never considered teaching and will never consider teaching because of the lack of respect from both students and parents along with the inability to control one's own destiny in their ability to become promoted and move up within the bureaucracy. Until accountability comes to the teaching profession and it's a results oriented compensator pay structure I don't think anything will change
After almost every single interaction I’ve had with teachers, my own and my kids, I have respect for maybe two. The rest weren’t even close to decent people. Most were petty, unhappy, and resentful at best. At worst they have bad intentions and are borderline evil, who think they own your child and knows what’s best for them. They’d sooner have your child in drugs than to admit their lesson plans were failing at stimulating the class. Respect? Nah. You earn respect.
Well TEACHERS in ALL CITIES are NOT telling the TRUTH on REAL HISTORY. To hurt innocent whites. EVERYONE knows that WHITE SLAVES in USA TO BLACK AND WHITE OWNERS. That black culture is white culture. CHITLINS is a WHITE THING. We're NOT TEACHING ANYONE in cities. That WHITE SLAVES, WHITE IRISH SLAVES, AFRICANS KIDNAPPING WHITE SLAVES, THE WHITE SLAVE TRADE, 1ST FIRST SLAVE OWNER IS BLK, HE OWNED A LOT OF WHITE SLAVES. This HISTORY is NOT being taught causing black ignorance in EVERYTHING. A LOT of BOTH these races dying. More evil for whites who was NEVER different in USA REAL HISTORY NOT HOOD CITY HISTORY.
In the US, the lack of male teachers due to the low compensation had always been the major barrier for men from entering the field. In the 1800s, other white-collar or even factory workers made more money than teachers. It's true in Asian countries too but they receive honor, respect, and many side gifts. In China, Korea, and Japan, there are alternative forms of compensation. It can be tutoring, parental gifts, or even higher cultural status. For example, having a teacher in the family greatly increases the status of that family including higher eligibility in marriages, respect, and even in the court of law (a testimony from a teacher's family carries a great weight).
I doubt anyone would scrutinize a black man expressing a similar sentiment. I do believe my black friends are extremely sensitive while ignoring the reasons folks have their opinions. You cannot disregard the HORRIBLE culture in black youth today: from gangster rap to crime statistics; any honest person who notices patterns and attempts to survive in this country can plainly see that there’s a serious problem in black culture today. Now, if that offends you-good, growing up poor I am offended too-can we do something about it? Or should we continue the charade? Carlson is a loving person-a genuine person. I find this to be a very one sided conversation in America today.
Have to side with Glenn on Tucker. Even if he says some cringey things It doesn't change the fact that on many Issues he's the only journalist on legacy media that is actually telling the truth. Wouldn't have said that a couple of years ago but his current record speaks for itself.
Astonishing isn't it. How on earth can a white man talking about how white culture feels about bullying and what is said to their kids about bullying violence, mentioned absolutely nothing at all about anyone else.
And I love how Glenn is able to turn the treasonous and hypocritical words and actions of Tucker Carlson into "an important voice in American journalism".
@Exileonbackroad. This is delusional nonsense. Tucker was one of the few on Fox that talked down the "election was stolen" narrative. And I don't have a clue what you mean by hypocritical.
Gotta disagree with Glenn on Tucker Carlson. Apart from the question if Tucker is racist or not (I have no comments on that, I don't know Tucker to the point that I see all his content every day, i'm European), there is a fundamental problem with Tucker Carlson which Glenn seems to overlook: because Tucker is paying attention to things which are not presented on left-leaning media, it doesn't mean that Tucker is a voice to be treasured because he presents things others don't. The issue with Tucker is his intention and motivation. He is not a good faith actor because everything he does has the purpose of creating division and cultivating resentment because that is ultimately what is commercially of benefit to him. The more people he can outrage, the better it is for his wallet. It's as easy as that. It is therefor highly ironic that Jonathan Haidt is brought up because Tucker is a great example of the things Haidt (and others) are talking about. What Tucker does is no different from a facebook or instagram algorithm. Anyone who is interested in truth seeking does not manipulate truth, distort narratives, selectively shop in data (which is what Glenn is also doing by basically saying that Tucker is giving attention to BLM riots but ignoring all the wacky conspiracies Tucker is spouting), and tell things they know are not truthful. Tucker lacks any form of critical thinking and therefor laying out nuanced arguments which do justice to situations which are more complex than he presents. That is a liability and a neglect on the responsibility he has towards his massive audience, in favour of his personal interest and gain.
This is just speculation and attributing motives to Tucker Carlson..Tucker often invites people he disagrees with on his show so it's not simply a case of him wanting to generate outrage for clicks
you lost me "at bad faith actor" which translates to "I assume all who disagree with me have dishonest motives, ergo I do not need to entertain their arguments"
@@manofculture584 Why does he invite people he disagrees with? To look for common ground, pursue truth seeking by looking at problems from different angles, to wanting to change his opinion? Does he steelman their cases and portray their arguments in the best light?
@@warrenpeace5150 that's your poor translation and understanding unfortunately. I'm not assuming he has a dishonest motive because he does not agree with my opinion (I didn't state any of my personal opinions and believes so you can't even tell if and where I disagree with the points Tucker has been making). I'm assuming a dishonest motive from the way he operates and represents topics. You are following the same reasoning as Glenn does. The point is not that I disagree with Carlson for example reporting on BLM riots while other left-leaning stations aren't doing so. I don't disagree with the fact of reporting, for anything I accuse left-leaning MSM of exactly the same thing. I disagree with the bias he uses to report on it because it often lacks the nuance the topic deserves. Ultimately, media in the USA (and unfortunately that has happened in Europe too now) is a mess. Tucker is as much part of the problem as CNN and the New York Times are.
They mentioned the black intellectuals, and i dont mean to sound ignorant, but is that something that got lost in the cultural maylay of the 60's and 70's? I have to say that, unfortunately, i have not met or seen (as on RU-vid or other platforms) black people who are of an intellectual ilk. What i mean is that along with single parenthood and the incentivation of single mother households by welfare systems, intellect, or at least education and the ability to think for one's self has fallen victim to the feeling and pressure to just try to make more money even if it means violence or illegal activity. It feels like so many young black men especially, are caught in the rut of voting democrat for the sake of not voting republican without analysing the political standings of the candidates. That's if they bother to vote at all. They seem to feel like yhey have to stand behind a black candidate (especially Democrat) without thought of their policies or intwntions or even fact checking the "history" or statistics or studies referenced during their firy "pro-black" speaches. Im not saying anyone should vote republican just to do it, im saying that the education and intellectual conversations do not appear to happen often in the black communities (perhaps they happen more than I know about) and black people are the ones suffering. In New York and Chicago, black communities are just starting to see how not looking into what a candidate stands for is biting them in the butt with so many ILLEGAL immigrants being given their spaces (without working for them or even being here legally) and resources. I would love to see more black communities taking a closer look at what is happening in their midst and having open and honest conversations before voting based on some irrational tradition.
Also, it was clear that Tucker Carlson was commenting on whether those guys were ACTUALLY “Maga” 🙄🙄 or if it was a false narrative and people trying to make “conservatives” look bad. I’m stunned that nuance was lost while looking for benign prejudice that we all have towards each other and our own ethnic groups.
Yeah, Media will take pictures, videos, and comments out of context to fit their narratives. To get that increase in viewership, people will soul their souls.
It’s not absurd. The entirety of the text seems like context enough. Could there be a more innocent larger context? Perhaps. Unlikely, but I wouldn’t rush to rationalize this either. I asked commenters on Megyn Kelly’s channel what it meant and maybe you’d be shocked at their answers. They take it at face value and they’re not unhappy to do so.
Thoughtful, intelligent and necessary perspective. YES, minute 17-20 needs to be clipped and go viral, for actual positive change to be advanced. Thank you!
