Turbo Civic - Can $44 Head Studs Fix It - ARP Copy

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In this video, we test $44 replica/fake/copy Amazon ARP head studs.
We test the fitment and test how high they can be torqued before failing or stretching. this is for the 14.5mm studs Honda D16Y8 motor, however the 16.5mm studs die the D16Z6 should hold the exact same power or torque before failing.
Links to the studs (14.5mm - EK Dseries but not Z6 or D15B)
Amazon - amzn.to/3B0bAUM
16.5mm Studs (D16Z6 and EG EF Dseries)
Amazon - amzn.to/3Q2cdBo
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The Build/Setup
1998 RHD Honda Civic EK Hatch.
Full Parts List
Greddy Style (eBay) Turbo Manifold & T04E 0.50AR Turbo (Too Big)
440cc Bosch Injectors & Walbro 255L Fuel Pump.
Stand Alone ECU (Dictator Standard) (RSA)
Stock D15Z4 Block / D16Z6 Head / Y8 Intake Manifold
63mm Custom Charge Pipes / Universal Intercooler (Small 20cm)
Xcell BOV / Internal Westgate 0.3 Bar
eBay Adjustable Cam Gear / 63mm Custom Downpipe & Exhaust.

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@ShawnFerret Год назад

In my experience, repeat HG failures on a boosted single cam are almost always related to ignition timing. You shouldn’t be repeatedly blowing a HG, even on stock hardware. Instead of retarding the distributor, take the boost portion of your timing map and cut all the values by half until you can get a professional to tune it.

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Shawn, thanks for the advice, I was thinking the same thing. car had no issues before on a non-vtec D15 at 7psi. the new build increase the compression ratio from 9.2 to 9.7 and I think now the high comp and ignition timing is definitely the issue. I did actually pull timing on the map like you said. thanks for sharing!

@ShawnFerret Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT no problem, sorry to preach! It will be so fun and worth it when you get it dialed in.

@youwantshum9860 Год назад

I know 4g63 blocks can sometimes warp when you run bigger studs and torque which lead to bad sealing and gasket problems so not sure if that's the same problem here.

@reginaldmorton2162 Год назад

I subscribed just because the engine bay was soon clean..

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Reginald, thanks for the sub!

@manqkasgarage6215 Год назад

Very nice explanation,I’m about to purchase those for my build. Thanks for the opinion.🤙🏻

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi bro, awesome, just be sure to buy the correct set, as there is long and short studs for the Dseries, check my link in description

@manqkasgarage6215 Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT yes I saw it,but in my case is for on another brand of cars. I see a lot of positive feedback for those studs so I ordered a set. Anyway very helpful video,wish you luck with your projects🤙🏻

@alexkinnane5831 3 месяца назад

@@manqkasgarage6215@risingboost how did you guys go with these head studs in the end?

@MikeKollin Год назад

I caught my mechanic messing up my engine on purpose... walked in on him saw it with my own eyes! I figured out and fixed most of them... maybe all of them! 1 thing is, he tried to convince me my head gasket was blown Last year March. So that's almost 1 1/2 years. I took it to 3 other mechanics and they couldn't figure out anything wrong. They all insisted I had a strong engine and nothing is wrong that he was messing with me! And I've been driving my car since with no problems at all. MPG is back up, smooth running, full Power! 1 of the many things he did was loosen all the valve cover bolts, almost finger loose, and fluid started leaking... I did fix that... However I wonder if possibly he could have loosened some of the head bolts by taking off the valve cover. I am sure he didn't take anything else off because that would have been way to much work... #1 If he did do this, since the car is running better than it's ran in years and never over heated, can we just replace the head gasket? Or do we have to have it shaved down? It has never overheated or anything like that. Runs perfectly with full power. I had another mechanic 7 years ago rebuild the engine and it runs great! #2 Is it possible we can just tighten the bolts back down? (I mean the one's he might have had access to with just taking off the valve cover. ) Another mechanic said it's possible to get to 2 head bolts from taking off the valve cover.... and said we would have to take off the head to tighten them all down in in the patterned way... I was hoping if he did do this we could just get to the bolts he might have loosened and just tighten them down to spec. without having to take the whole thing off and tighten them all. Honda Del Sol D15B7

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Mike, sorry to hear that, some mechanics can be untrustworthy. the D15B7 you have access to all the head bolts once the valve cover is removed. you can just replace a head gasket if the car did not overheat, if the head or block is not warped it will work, if it is warped the gasket will likely fail again. if you fear that he loosened the head studs you can just retorque them, that will show you if he did that. however if the gasket failed already it will likely need to be replaced. but if your gasket is not currently a problem you should have no problems just re-torquing them.

@SRDmotorsports Год назад

nice upgrade I mean a “stud” vs bolt is a lot better when we think about it tightening the head bolt (factory) you pull the thread by way of tightening the head down With a stud it does the same but not as much because you clamp down the head with the actual nut vs stressing the block thread by tightening… Locally I’ve seen crazy peeps machine their own out of stock head bolts so these copy seems alright I mean maybe until u start pushing 4bar then an L19 stud is needed Much needed upgrade here this one is good

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi SRD, yes they are better in that way, less chance of stripping out your block. they do hold more power over stock, but for big power, 1 bar + I would still recommend getting the real stuff. my testing show they hold 50% more power, but I am still testing them. it may have been something else causing my issues.

@drcolster 8 месяцев назад

Great clean work... Checking block and head straightness is always good practice...I personally would of used the longer studs where needed with the extra washer, instead of loosing threads out of the block.... Is that a multi - layer steel shim type gasket ???.. Look up Cometic brand.. those Studs are PQY brand, yes there have been test done,way better than Standard, a bit under ARP 8740 Studs.. PQY approx 165,000 psi..8740 175,000 psi..STD bolts were approx 140,000 psi. its said torque PQY studs the same as ARP, ARP lube is always the best.. test have been done indepentantly..to achieve best correct torque.. glad they work for you....

@RisingBoostYT 8 месяцев назад

Hi Colster, thanks for the info, in the end what fixed my issue for blowing headgaskets was getting a thick gasket from the EG motor, the "paper" style gasket, I assume my compression was to high for the pump feul, as it blew again on the dyno, but i have not hand an issue since installing the (cheap) thick headgasket. The fake arps did help as it only blew at 170hp instead of 120hp.

@drcolster 8 месяцев назад

@@RisingBoostYT The Cometic steel shim multi layer gasket will solve any head gasket issue.. keep well

@mryang3644 Месяц назад

May be Reps but im sure its still alot better than stock bolts. Therefore it an upgrade

@RisingBoostYT Месяц назад

definitely an upgrade yes, also safer, smaller chance of pulling threads out the block with studs.

@Psychedelic-Playground Год назад

Hello, which screws do u have to lock the head cover on the head? Because i have the original ones.. and 2 of them broke off and one is even in the head. :( I dont really know to get it out. I think i bore it out. But i want to use other screws then.. the original ones are soft like butter. (im speaking about the valve cover)

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi, you can buy the ones I have from Amazon - amzn.to/3Q7QuI2 , I had to get 2 longer bolts just be be safe but the kits are not always the same. to get the broken bolts out try getting a small "easyout" and a small drill, it's a bit safer then just drilling it out. you can also try to make a grove in the broken off part using a small flat screwdriver and hammer so you can turn it out like a screw. worst case is to drill it our and retap for an insert, just don't get metal shavings into the motor.

@duszekbieluszek1232 Год назад

Do You think these studs would hold 250-300hp on d16y8? I know this engine stock can hold 210hp… should i try it or buy legit arp?

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi bro, I think it may. I had high compression of about 9.8 and head gasket failed at 160hp with the studs, dropped the compression to 8.9-1 now and at like 190hp+ I have no issues reusing the same set of studs

@sztukmistrzzmlekoity383 Год назад

Too bad you didn't measure the hardness of the bolt. that would tell us what material it's made of. I met an opinion on Ali that this material is below the 10.9 bolt strength class. But thanks for wanting to record it.

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Grzegorz, there is a video available on youtube where a guy test bolts like this for the LS v8 engine, it should help you. the bolts are better than OEM I can tell you that much.

@ricardogallegos2046 Год назад

why u dont have a blockguard? we dont need that?

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Ricardo, because this is a stock build, a block guard is not necessary as the headstuds and rods will fail long before the block/sleeves will, the stock block is fairly strong.

@joseperez-zo6fr 2 месяца назад

what werethe torque specs for these again????

@RisingBoostYT 2 месяца назад

Hi, these are copy studs without lube or instructions, Real ARP studs are as follow Step 1......15ft lbs Step 2......30ft lbs Step 3......62ft lbs For the copy studs I used motor oil and 56ft lbs final

@joseperez-zo6fr 2 месяца назад

@@RisingBoostYT what do you mean by final?

@RisingBoostYT 2 месяца назад

@joseperez-zo6fr final is step 3, so I don't torque them as high coz china

@joseperez-zo6fr 2 месяца назад

@@RisingBoostYT ok so 13 30 56?

@NOAHCASAS Год назад

TRYING TO SAVE SOME $$ MAKES YOU SPEND MORE A LOT MORE $$$$ IN THE LONG RUN CAN BE A BIG MISTAKE

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Noah, yes sometimes cutting corners comes back to bite you, in the end the cheap studs is working, but it was a big waste of time getting the wrong studs twice, and paying 3 times.

@arthurpapiringuet921 Год назад

Mate I have a d16y1.. what studs would I need??

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Arthur, this is actually a difficult one to know, it's an older engine but it has the P08 head, my guess is that it is the long studs but I cannot confirm that. is this motor from an EG? is the dipstick between the exhaust runners or by the cam belt?

@arthurpapiringuet921 Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT it's an eh9 sedan.. the dipstick is between the exhaust runners

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

It sounds like the older motor, they normally use the long studs, but I can not be 100% sure, best is to pull out a stud and check the length. looking at the specs it seems like a version of the Z6. what is the part number on the block? its normally on the block at the back where the trans and block meetup. if it is PO8 like your cylinder head then it is the long studs.

@Cadorehonda Год назад

why dont use oring?

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Casal, are you referring to gasket o-rings? I will have to get grooves cut into the block surface for fitting copper o-rings, it will solve the problem however it will be too expensive to have it done.

@Cadorehonda Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT I'm from brazil, also building a Y8 to turbo, it will be around 300hp, I'll use connecting rods and forged piston, steel joint with copper oring

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Sounds like a good setup, it should hold 300. Forged rods, pistons and ARP studs and you should be good!

@Cadorehonda Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT yes, I will provide the arp studs

@arlowelee Год назад

You're telling me your fake arp's actually came with torque spec instructions?? bruh mine didn't

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi bro, no they did not come with anything, but they claim similar strength and manufacturing process, so I used the specs for real ARP Studs. 1 stud stretched when I over torqued them. but at "real ARP spec" they were all still fine. car still running now with the studs. better than stock, not as good as real ARP.

@arlowelee Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT Oh okay thanks. I got the same ones for my b series but didnt know what torque spec to use. Definitely didnt plan on reusing them like real ARP's anyways especially cuz i can get them for 15$ where im at

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

That's not bad, I may reuse mine as they about 30$ for me and take 60 days to deliver

@fabiobellotti75 Год назад

Honda d16w5…???

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi Fabio, the D16w is part of the D17 motors, made after year 2000. They are slightly different to the older pre 00 motors. Looking at the listing these onse will not fit as they are not listed on the product, I'll see if I can find something for you.

@bellottiracing Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT thanks my friends ,,,,,,,,,,

@fabiobellotti75 Год назад

@@RisingBoostYTmy friend.....help my ......help my

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

@@fabiobellotti75 The Honda Factory part number for D17 lx is HP 9005-PM3-00 The 95 civic si 1.6 vtec D16 engine uses the same Honda factory bolts. ARP makes studs for this engine and it will fit D17. ARP part # 2084301 Honda D-16 HSK for 1.6 SHOC vtec application. 10 studs NOTE: ARP makes two types Z&Y (OURS is Z) All 88 thru 95 civics and others with same engine use the same type of head bolts.

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

@@bellottiracing looks like the D17 use the long studs, same as D16Z6

@smallenginekid6252 Год назад

Why not spend the extra money on known brand quality parts?

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

Hi, there is a few reasons I decided to go the cheap route, but the main reason is this is a temporary motor/setup so I don't want to spend a load of money on it. also testing the cheap stuff is informational, testing real ARP studs is a waste as we already know its good and will work. but very valid question, thanks.

@dookieren7430 Год назад

@@RisingBoostYT so how did they hold up? I'm using a 65 dollar set. They were called the back 12 point head studs but I haven't had the luck of finishing the engine yet to hear it fire up and running.

@RisingBoostYT Год назад

@@dookieren7430 so far so good, my issue was a high compression ratio, the Copy Studs made about a 20% improvement over OEM before the gasket issue was back, however since I dropped the compression ratio its perfect, I estimate the studs will hold 260hp to 270hp. but detonation at that power will lift the head.