Turkey earthquake: UK engineers investigate ‘inferior’ building materials - BBC News 

The UK has "experts" in every field. World leaders in everything from railway engineering to pandemic response - even has its own space program.

They are happy of happened, they have got a chance to make money, it is sens of their life and an important value of their culture

We have high rise apartment and office blocks here in Japan and I will politely remind you that Japan is the seismically most active country in the world. I am not a fan of high rise buildings, but it isn't what you build, but rather how you build it. A bungalow is no safer if it isn't built appropriately. However, it is also fair to say that the higher up you are in a building, the greater the shake will be. Japan has this year, just released a new earthquake warning system that also notifies the level of shake according to storey. We already have a system that informs us of the level of shake on the surface (units of shindo) which is far more useful to the ordinary person than the magnitude and depth of a quake, although these are also obviously important and are noted also.

@@andrewjones-productions I can literally be outside my bungalow house in 3 seconds from any room inside and above me is plaster board ceiling then a bolted timber roof that is safer than any apartment block even if it's got the high tech Japanese build. I have a good garden area to the back and front so no other building is going to fall over on mine. We don't have significant earthquakes here (20 mins from London) there was a 5.8 in the 1300's near Dover. My mum lives in Istanbul and I keep telling her to sell the apartment (5th floor) and move they keep saying there is going to be a big one around Istanbul but no one knows difficult to predict.

I had an auntie in Ankara Turkey that died when her appointment buildings balconies pancaked on too of each other..1970s ? I think

@@naturealbums I'm Welsh, I know about the earthquakes in the UK. I have also lived in Japan for the past 32 years and have witnessed several major natural disasters by now. There are a couple of issues with your idea of a bungalow being safe. You may have time to get outside if the earthquake builds up gradually, but once the shake is at a point that you cannot stand up and furniture stands toppling over and skidding around the room, then you will find it very, very difficult to get out. The second issue is the roof. Probably would be fine (in the Uk of course it will be), but in an earthquake prone country, it would need special tie down brackets (they are surprisingly simple) to keep them together. You do bring up a good point however. At the time of the Hanshin-Awaji Earthquake (centering on the city of Kobe and island of Awaji), there were many buildings (bungalows and two storey and more homes) that pre-dated the updated earthquake proof building regulations. They were also of a type that used the traditional ceramic roof tiles. These are incredibly heavy and their weight caused many structures to collapse. This has led to new lighter materials being used. So roofs are important. Furthermore, the magnitude of an earthquake alone means little. You must also know the depth of the quake. Japan has had 2 or 3 M6.0 earthquakes since the Turkey quake, but the reason why they did not make headline news is in part due to the modern infrastructure, epicentre location and depth of the quake. This is why Japan uses the 'shindo' scale in conjunction with magnitude etc. The shindo scale measures the amount of shake on the surface.

It has nothing to do with engineers and engineering, it's all about corrupt contractors. In addition, the autocratic government does not fulfill its responsibilities and inspect the structures sufficiently.

The engineers in Turkey are great, there are great examples, capitalism is on job here. Poor construction for poors...

if one honest engineer does its job eventualy he or she will be fired ! corrupt and uninspected contractors

@@mtnsryr There was also destruction in the most luxurious sites and residences in the region. In fact, the building where the most loss of life was experienced was Rönesans Residence, one of the most prestigious buildings in Hatay. They marketed this residence to people as "a corner of heaven" and sold it for terribly high prices. Here is the drone view of the building after the earthquake: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bk3u6PntDJM.html

How do you know this, and in what time scale do you mean? Please state your source, so we can all look at it. We all know that the same tectonic plates will move again and that causes devastation in various regions, especially around the Pacific Rim [Tsunamis]. Even Japan cannot withstand the power of a tsunami, it seems. But they have got the required building standards in place for earth movements, as far as I know. Probably so have other nations, so they could all help enforce Turkey's corrupt construction companies to comply with Turkish construction laws.

It's a disgrace the people who converted Grenfell Tower into a vertical crematoria are not in prison for life. The inhabitants were let down by builders and building control officers ... one can only presume "money" was at the bottom of the whole sad issue. One might ask how much remedial work to similar structures has been accomplished ... has anyone asked Gove yet?

You are right. Our houses are so badly insulated and too small and flimsy. Anything else? You can blame Mrs Thatcher for the shortage of public housing schemes. The cost of rents and mortgages as well. Also we have very high demand and build on unsuitable ground. The rich [and politicians] always have a good quality of life, whatever happens to the plebs away from their country estates and London enclaves. So why should they care? But if we tax them they will leave, which means disaster for us..?

Turkey investigating its own buildings caused this...

They have a habit of looking down upon professionals who are not white. Anyway, they should have got Japanese ones

You might be surprised to learn that UK experiences hundreds ( RPT hundreds) of earthquakes a year. You could always do the Google thing prior to posting.

@alex murphy You might mention which countries beat us to it. Can you do that?

Some were ancient. Cities such as Antakya [formerly Antioch] were mentioned by Shakespeare. Far more ancient than that, though. There has been serious destruction of ancient structures in the historical towns. But buildings constructed since 1999 were subject to a more strict earthquake-proofing standard. The was a serious earthquake near Istanbul in 1999, with a very high death toll. Nothing like as high as this though - maybe 14,000? The laws were brought in to prevent the shoddy buildings causing deaths in future. It took years for Turkey [Turkiye] to recover from that earthquake.

Try summarising instead of expecting people to roam away from what they are reading or viewing now, not having any idea of what you are talking about.

We build on flood plains in the UK. That is very disgusting. I am sure there are perfectly qualified engineers within Turkey as well, but there is too much corruption. Fault lines by and large can't be avoided. I hope they will try, though. There is technology available of how to engineer even high rise buildings to withstand earth movements. Since 1999, Turkey's laws have been stricter, but the corruption of greedy builders ignored them. Even after construction, you can read that 'ground floor' shop [store] owners cut down columns inside their shops, to give more sales space. They were perhaps fined for it, if there were any consequences at all. We would call them supporting or structural columns. The weight of hundreds of people's apartments above the shop were supported by those columns. The officials must be corrupt who are supposed to check building laws are complied with. Bribery and corruption is widespread in Turkey, including in the judicial system .

Cause the land isnt the problem here. You can see that in the same area some of the buildings are collapsed yet some of arent. So the real problem is the buildings are being inferior.

The anti-earthquake measures well known by the civil engineering trade had not been used, i am certain. It was the first thought I had when i heard about the disaster. I know how corrupt Turkey is.

Sorry for you and your country and Syrians, Baran. I know how industrious and courageous your people are. You will have help from the international community. I pray to (God) Allah to help you all recover soon and go on to be happy and healthy. Ramadan Mubarak. Eid Mubarak to come!

Pray for swift recovery and better building standards in future. Did anyone hear about the floods in two provinces that swept away cars, people and one container cabin of two families? A woman was killed from that home. A group of 5 Syrians was found dead in a flooded basement. I can't imagine how horrendous it must be to be bombed out, be a refugee abroad, not treated as a citizen, in a deprived area, then be homeless again and penniless and perhaps to lose relatives; overnight, by an earthquake[s] and THEN to die in a basement which flooded.

Karma for what? They have corruption, no real justice or human rights, they have oppressed the Kurds, but the Kurds are very difficult people. They are backward and very very sexist. They discriminate among their own people, even though they know what it's like to be discriminated against. Someone told me once that at a certain stage in history, the Kurds were offered their 'own land i.e. nation'. But they declined. I find that hard to believe. Any landless group/tribe/ethnic minority is at the mercy of its hosts and they are nuisance to that host.

More like this thing shouldn't of happened, so let's all investigate

Ironically (?) UK has world class architects. I blame comprehensive education for the rest.

@@t1n4444 it's that metric system I tell yee

@@malibuhiegts Absolutely spot on!

Better than in most countries of the world - yes And hard(er)to bribe by Turkish officials apparently…

Buildings have to built to code. So yes, you can.

God's Will is being done from Eternity

@@SheepofTheShepherd-nu3lz You mean this deity isn't looking after his flock? Have you any idea of how stupid such comments are? You don't have a clue, do you.

@@t1n4444 so far i have never had a Secular humanist prove to me God isn't real! perhaps you are without a clue

@@SheepofTheShepherd-nu3lz 😂😂😂😂😂 Presumably this is one of the stock responses you have been taught to parrot? Who cares?

Who? Are you referring to those silly boys in Romania who are being jailed by the month, without facing a trial ... which is an interesting concept as they are getting some sort of punishment even if found not guilty! Their lawyer is unable to persuade the Romanian courts they won't do a runner if out on bail so that's interesting as well, isn't it. There again they are being preconditioned for a new career as a long term prisoner. They are sort of "prisoners in waiting". This must be a right old puzzle for their internet followers ... the Romanian judges are women but the Tates have yet to release their usual mpgs ... Funny how "women" are putting these Tates in their place ... which appears to be a prison cell. How apt is that!!!.

@@6079_SMITH_W well now that you mention it Joshua 24:20(KJV) “If ye forsake the LORD, and serve strange gods, then he will turn and do you hurt, and consume you, after that he hath done you good.” This like many verses is referring to Israel and going or serving other gods(Idols) that God said not to serve or worship Judges 10:6(KJV) “And the children of Israel did evil again in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim, and Ashtaroth, and the gods of Syria, and the gods of Zidon, and the gods of Moab, and the gods of the children of Ammon, and the gods of the Philistines, and forsook the LORD, and served not him.” Deuteronomy 32:16(KJV) “They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.” Jeremiah 16:20(KJV) “Shall a man make gods unto himself, and they are no gods?” the answer is YES! Deuteronomy 6:14(KJV) “Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;” the true followers wil have conviction and repent of the wickedness and come back to God and follow him

Ναι καλά...

Lies

@@alexhouistandwithukraine8885 answer the question u can get millions for it