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Turning Accurate Conical Features.......5 different ways !!! Take a Look 

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For such a short video, this presentation is packed full of options and methods to setup and cut, accurate conical features on the lathe. Watch it all the way thru. Enjoy.
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@AlabamaTree
@AlabamaTree 2 года назад
You are a born teacher. I’ve said in here before that I’m a welder / fabricator of 30 years and for the last few years I’ve took a new role in the same company as a Toolmaker. I work in a small team with a couple of good guys but your videos are so informative. Thank you!
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Glad to help.
@RobertKarlBerta
@RobertKarlBerta 2 года назад
Glad you are back on your feet. Enjoyed the reminders of different ways to skin a cat as it were. I have forgotten a few of those in my 74 years but also a couple of new ones. Have you tried a hermaphrodite caliper....that is what I have used instead of a caliper to mark a point. Something about using a caliper for marking makes me grit my teeth ;-)
@swanvalleymachineshop
@swanvalleymachineshop 2 года назад
All good methods to get you close Joe . I have used your other method before to get them dead spot on , taking into account the radius of the tool & tangent point . 👍
@bobvines00
@bobvines00 2 года назад
Joe, thank you for demonstratibg these tips. I suspect that many of us will be trying at least some of them before we forget them! ;)
@theodoreshasta7846
@theodoreshasta7846 2 года назад
You are a Master of your craft, and I love watching you work. Thank you for the excellent videos.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Many thanks.
@Bodydrop6969
@Bodydrop6969 4 месяца назад
You make this look so easy! It does take practice but I am persistent! Thanks for the info!😊
@joepie221
@joepie221 4 месяца назад
You are welcome!
@al69770-b
@al69770-b 2 года назад
Thankyou Joe, loved it! So good to see you back at the lathe again! 🙂👍
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Part time for now, but it feels good here too.
@billythebake
@billythebake 2 года назад
Hey Joe, great to see you back on your feet... I spent about 6 months on the couch after a motorcycle incident a couple years back - don't take walking for granted anymore 😆
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Its amazing how fast the rest of your body can start breaking down when you just sit around. I too won't take mobility for granted either.
@ls2005019227
@ls2005019227 2 года назад
Great job Joe, on taking a task that can be difficult in practice and making it manageable. There's a lot of info in this one- Reminds me of hitting the diameters/angles in cutting a chamber reamer. Thanks!
@luckydubeinrc5165
@luckydubeinrc5165 2 года назад
D-d/L= Taper , now you can do anything! D big diameter...d small diameter....L = length
@y2ksw1
@y2ksw1 2 года назад
I prefer this method over all others. Mostly because I don't trust angles on the compound
@davidberlanny3308
@davidberlanny3308 2 года назад
Very well explained techniques and enjoyable to watch. Good luck from Spain!!
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Thank you very much!
@ericjenness2337
@ericjenness2337 2 года назад
You have some great videos. I've been a toolmaker for 18 years (self employed 11 of those year) and I still learn plenty from you.
@ophirb25
@ophirb25 2 года назад
I definitely agree, Joe has some great tricks up his sleeve.
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 2 года назад
A person should never get to the point where they feel there is nothing left to learn.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
I'm sure we can all teach each other a few things. It probably just depends on what kind of work you do. I've always been heavily into custom, prototype and development work, with some repair thrown in. I've enjoyed it all.
@ophirb25
@ophirb25 2 года назад
@@grntitan1 it is the custom of the not very smart people, to think they have reached that point....
@samrodian919
@samrodian919 2 года назад
Joe, you've just blown me away with those simple (when you know it) methods of producing the required taper on a part. The bank is going to be full!
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Glad you liked it!
@tomherd4179
@tomherd4179 2 года назад
Like your video on the different methods! Want to mention I had seen a video from the UK where an eBay China gear down motor (one of the 2~3 rpm 12 vdc jobs) was used to drive a shop-made socket which fit over the compound knob (on my old SB 10K). Provides very smooth drive this way. I added a reverse to the one I built so it moves in both directions and simply used some pipe PVC for a handle which holds the motor, wiring, switch, etc.
@paulcarre4719
@paulcarre4719 2 года назад
Great to see you back - thanks, content is superb.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Much appreciated!
@MegaLostOne
@MegaLostOne 2 года назад
Thanks Joe, you always give great technical advice on how to measure and turn things. I would have to say of the half a dozen people that I watch on here on machining yours has always given the most information on how to get to exact spec. Not being negative to anyone that takes the time to make and upload these video's but I would say you and mrpete222 have given me the most information on how to do thing as a hobby machinist working out of a shed. That said I wish I had known the little nub trick about a week ago when I was making a new handle for my quick change tool post, I left myself without a way to get an accurate measurement and had to blend it in which obviously means I would not have hit a spec'd measurement if it would have been that critical but I try even if it's not important so when it does become important I can do it.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Critical isn't always required, but its good to have options.
@matthewfort3740
@matthewfort3740 2 года назад
Another great way of showing us how to do things.
@brucewood8046
@brucewood8046 2 года назад
Another trick from out of your sleeve and up mine! Thank you! Woody
@Preso58
@Preso58 2 года назад
Thanks Joe. All good info.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Thanks for dropping by Mark.
@Cheezzyizill
@Cheezzyizill 2 года назад
The 6th way is to use a CNC lathe. Great video Joe.
@jackbonanno8186
@jackbonanno8186 2 года назад
Great tips, learned a lot of tips I wasn't aware of especially for saving time.
@LouSalamone
@LouSalamone 2 года назад
Thank You Sir for the video. Always enjoy them.
@dizzolve
@dizzolve 2 года назад
Hey Joe have you ever had an apprentice? Just curious because it seems like you enjoy teaching. If anyone had the opportunity to apprentice under you I'm quite sure they'd learn a lot ....
@jerseyjoe2684
@jerseyjoe2684 2 года назад
SNL Coneheads skit to follow 😉 Great video, Joe!
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
From France of course. :)
@jerseyjoe2684
@jerseyjoe2684 2 года назад
@@joepie221 Wow, Zappa reference Just no ring tossing, this is a G rated audience lol
@dannobee
@dannobee 2 года назад
Thanks for these tips Joe. These will really help!
@be007
@be007 2 года назад
thanks for the upload joe, much appreciate. greetings, ben.
@janstaines5989
@janstaines5989 2 года назад
Hi Joe, thanks for this video, really useful for us guys just starting out! I’d really like to see you make a collet to fit an unknown spindle taper, buttress thread and all!
@TheUncleRuckus
@TheUncleRuckus 2 года назад
Great video Joe! I learned something as always. 👍👍
@jasoncarpenter4498
@jasoncarpenter4498 2 года назад
I’m not a fan of using calipers to scribe lines either!sets my teeth on edge when I see other RU-vidrs do it.
@JaakkoF
@JaakkoF 2 года назад
Bad practice true, especially since the calipers are not typical sharpened to a point, so the line is all messed up or too wide. There exists actual marking calipers that have sharp pointy jaws with carbide inserts for just this purpose :)
@millwrightrick1
@millwrightrick1 2 года назад
Hermaphroditic calipers were invented just for this type of work,
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 2 года назад
always great information Joe 3.14...cheers from Florida, Paul
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Greetings Paul.
@ypaulbrown
@ypaulbrown 2 года назад
@@joepie221 you are a big inspiration for Me Joe....and I thank you so much, bought a 13" South Bend Tool Room lathe with taper attachment [1942 build]in July, getting back to machine work after a long absence .......found the spindle had 2 tenths runout on OD and 1 tenth on ID....pretty happy with that too......take care my Sensei......Paul
@dougvanallen2212
@dougvanallen2212 2 года назад
Thanks Joe from New Jersey
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
I lived in Morris County for 37 years. Randolph, Budd Lake, Parsippany, Hackettstown
@christurley391
@christurley391 2 года назад
Thanks for the video Joe.
@BlackAdder1970
@BlackAdder1970 2 года назад
Nothing like learning old school!
@russellmcclenning9607
@russellmcclenning9607 2 года назад
Thank you Joe great tips
@kentuckytrapper780
@kentuckytrapper780 2 года назад
Great info Joe, thanks man...
@angelramos-2005
@angelramos-2005 2 года назад
Interesting and much appreciated.
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 2 года назад
Many thanks for the tips!
@metalshopwithtroy5755
@metalshopwithtroy5755 2 года назад
Thanks Joe great video
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it
@paulpipitone8357
@paulpipitone8357 2 года назад
As usual a jersey boy leads the way lol nice job joe thanks
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Thanks.
@mpetersen6
@mpetersen6 2 года назад
I've had chamfer tools ground to various angles for years.
@joell439
@joell439 2 года назад
Thanks Joe 👍👍😎👍👍
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
You bet
@peterspain3827
@peterspain3827 2 года назад
Hi Joe Hope you are well. Very interesting to show so many ways to achieve the same result. Are your subjects inspired by work /jobs you have done or a project that has dropped on your desk so to speak for you to carry out. Thanks again.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Past challenges.
@lennym1273
@lennym1273 2 года назад
You're the man...
@ophirb25
@ophirb25 2 года назад
It always seems a bit weird to me counting on a line you scribe with a vernier caliper, the line itself is about 1 2 thousands of an inch thick? So it seems that 1-2 thousands of an inch is the most accurate you can get. Maybe I'm wrong though.
@denniszhang9278
@denniszhang9278 2 года назад
That's probably about right. It's often used as a "quick and dirty" method for situations that don't require more accuracy than that. In this example, for a shallow taper, a small error in the length of the taper is actually a miniscule deviation in the surface of the taper, so 1-2 thou accuracy seems quite good. In other applications, scribe lines are often used to roughly lay out the part so that there's a visual indication when the material removal is getting close to the target dimension. Once it's close, a measurement in place (if possible) with micrometers or calipers can be used to accurately dial in the final dimension. In these situations, the scribe line allows the machinist to remove bulk material without worrying about overshooting a particular dimension.
@ophirb25
@ophirb25 2 года назад
@@denniszhang9278 Accurate answer within 1/2 a thou....😍
@MF175mp
@MF175mp 2 года назад
You can't get reliably down to 1-2 thou with that. Neither are you supposed to. I'd say 4-5 thou lowest
@markrichardson239
@markrichardson239 2 года назад
Joe... You ever do crankshaft journals? It seems to me I need a crank machine, but a four jaw chuck in the tailstock on a bearing might do... What do you know on that?? Thanks, Mark
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
I don't, but an offset tailstock chuck or a clamp on slave plate would work.
@jobkneppers
@jobkneppers 2 года назад
No. 5? Not your style Joe. No. 4 seems to work for me fine. Same for internal conical features. Thank you for sharing Joe, much appreciated as always. Stay safe and be happy. Best, Job
@jdmccorful
@jdmccorful 2 года назад
Love those tips! Enjoyed watching, thanks.
@peteengard9966
@peteengard9966 2 года назад
Thanks Joe. How's the leg healing?
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Doing good. going on 4 days now without crutches. thanks for asking.
@dizzolve
@dizzolve 2 года назад
2:40 that's what she said
@jjsemperfi
@jjsemperfi 2 года назад
*ATF has entered chat*
@customcreations...............
In this video and in some of your other videos you will show a way of doing something and mention you prefer not to do it that way but you don't give any details on why. I am interested in the reasons you have behind your decisions.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Год назад
Wow. Very deep topic. I have a solid reason for everything I do. If you have a specific question, I'd be happy to answer it. Use a fresh comment for that. Replies get buried and I may not see them.
@dennyskerb4992
@dennyskerb4992 2 года назад
👍👍
@brianpeers
@brianpeers Год назад
Please put a microphone on your tshirt .
@BedsitBob
@BedsitBob 2 года назад
Scratching a layout line on a part, is what cheap calipers are for.
@jimmyboles3409
@jimmyboles3409 2 года назад
Good knowledge, thanks joe!
@jjsemperfi
@jjsemperfi 2 года назад
*ATF has entered chat*
@gregwmanning
@gregwmanning 2 года назад
Instead of scribing with caliper could you scribe with tool giving exact known position on dro?
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
You could, just don't go deep with the mark.
@drevil4454
@drevil4454 2 года назад
Blimey!! This was a brilliant lesson. Just yesterday I was battling to get this right.
@cat02791
@cat02791 2 года назад
You're really an excellent teacher. 👏 I learned a lot from you... Thanks sir 😊.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
It's my pleasure.
@allanmanning5131
@allanmanning5131 2 года назад
Absolutely magical Joe, I have learned so much from your presentations, this is a superb shop Gem for a newbie like me. Kind regards from your 71, year old apprentice.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Glad you enjoyed it.
@JaredAF
@JaredAF Год назад
10:40 is exactly what I was looking for
@mikebascom6345
@mikebascom6345 6 месяцев назад
That makes my brain hurt 😮
@cameronjohnston5748
@cameronjohnston5748 2 года назад
Hi joe greetings from australia, love your hints and tips ,you make it so easy to do, very uncomplicated. Just wondering if you ever have done anything for us on setting up to turn parrallel, or maybe how to make our own test bar to fit into the headstock morse taper. Thankyou for all your efforts , it is really appreicated. Before computers this information was really hard to get other than word of mouth, that wasn't allways right anyway. Just can't thank you enough.
@outsidescrewball
@outsidescrewball 2 года назад
Great lessons! Questions…lathe tool dead sharp, or is there a nose radius? RPM/Feed for turning the aluminum stock?
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Greeting Chuck. A truly dead sharp tool ( nose radius ) is very hard to get a good finish with. I do break the edge for things like this, but only to remove the razor sharp edge. All the turning here was done by hand, so I can't comment on the feed. Feed for finish is usually driven by the nose radius of the tool. The RPM is never lower than 770 for aluminum and that can ( and will ) change with greater surface contact from a form tool. Since extremely sharp tools are hard to get good finishes with, its OK to establish gage or termination points first and finish with a radiused tool to get the surface finish desired.
@skipgoryews1356
@skipgoryews1356 2 года назад
It would be a shame to miss the opportunity of this mans knowledge of the craft , so when he puts it up there for free even ! jump at the chance as I have , you will be better for it . I am 73 and just enjoy this.
@tomherd4179
@tomherd4179 2 года назад
I got you beat! I am 76, and fully agree with you.
@kenjesse5442
@kenjesse5442 2 года назад
As always...Simple, Elegant, Doable.
@robertoswalt319
@robertoswalt319 2 года назад
Another great video that I have saved for quick reference. I am at the age where if I don't use something frequently, I look back at notes to make sure I have the procedure correct
@xrayjello
@xrayjello Год назад
Thank you. I find your videos very informative and enlightening.
@joepie221
@joepie221 Год назад
Glad you like them!
@MalJ-eb7nv
@MalJ-eb7nv 2 года назад
These are very good workable tips. Thanks Joe
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop
@AmateurRedneckWorkshop 2 года назад
I guess you have all the angles figured.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
I see what ya did there. Good one Harold.
@waynefitch990
@waynefitch990 2 года назад
Always a learning experience
@zimbagerman7045
@zimbagerman7045 2 года назад
Thanks so much for that step by step turning angle; My question is how can i set my tool position in an event where am using a swivel tool holder , Secondly how can i set my determined angle and by which tool
@scottpace8794
@scottpace8794 2 года назад
As always great tips ! 👍
@michaelgatt4530
@michaelgatt4530 2 года назад
Useful video again Joe. How do you go about putting radii on tapered features, like say on the end of a location pin that blends on the taper?
@scottstacey1008
@scottstacey1008 2 года назад
Wow - that was entertaining and DENSE - I'll watch that again about 10 times- thanks so much
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
13 well packed minutes. :)
@brucewilliams6292
@brucewilliams6292 2 года назад
Great to see so many practical techniques to get this done. You are such a treasure.
@NagashiChidorii
@NagashiChidorii 8 месяцев назад
great video on different methods getting a taper. As new hobby metal lathe user, this was helpful. However, i wish you would have went more in depth on how to create a smooth taper during the sliding action. Ive recently cut some tapers but have trouble cutting them smooth because my finger action to move the slide is not smooth is my guess and I have to keep stopping. Maybe i just need to do it more times to learn the smooth action of it.
@joepie221
@joepie221 8 месяцев назад
Learning to cut a long taper using the compound is an acquired skill. The very first thing you need to embrace is using 2 hands to do it. Don't try to turn the dial 360 degrees with one hand. That will influence the gibs on the compound and leave ripples on the part. Stopping will leave lines. Pass the crank smoothly from one hand to the other without pushing or pulling on the compound itself. Keep all your force true to the center of the screw and the taper should work out just fine.
@ForensicCats
@ForensicCats Год назад
Ty Joe 🥧 Pie
@davidtwumasi2684
@davidtwumasi2684 2 года назад
Thanks for sharing 🙏
@glennschemitsch8341
@glennschemitsch8341 2 года назад
If you use a cutting insert with a known radius on the cutting edge, with a little bit of plane geometry and trigonometry, you can calculate for the theoretical sharp corner of your cutter insert and you can with normal measuring of diameters and lengths, turn accurate tapers and cone shapes easily within .001" without using any guess work and/ or scratch lines, using those offset dimensions. This is for manual hand turning as , I am sure, CNC machines will calculate compensations for the radius size on the cutting insert. You can even estimate these offsets with no calculations if you accurately draw it @ 100 to 1, so eg., a .006" radius on the cutting tool becomes .600" on your drawing and measure the offsets x and y with a scale to get a sharp corner dimension. As Joe emphasized, you must know your start, stop positions with the carriage accurately and with repeatability., setting carriage stops and 'zero" cross slide, and compound positions is everything.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
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@glennschemitsch8341
@glennschemitsch8341 2 года назад
Edit.... i.e. not eg. sorry.
@ChrisB257
@ChrisB257 2 года назад
Always more to learn and be refreshed - thanks Joe, great stuff.
@grntitan1
@grntitan1 2 года назад
Many years ago after working in a machine shop for sometime, I realized why I should have paid more attention in trigonometry.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
Trig is the icing on the cake. Geometry is the cake.
@StuartsShed
@StuartsShed 2 года назад
Great practical shop ticks and tricks as always. Joe, thanks for taking the time to post this information.
@rexmundi8154
@rexmundi8154 2 года назад
My old metric starrett calipers have an attachment to turn them into a depth mic that I use a lot. I used that scribed line trick to turn a bunch of barbs in peek plastic with a form tool recently. I have one of those compass with the hooked end for registering on the faced end. Pretty handy really. A lot of the stuff I picked up over the years is very old, but still useful.
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining 2 года назад
very good video joe
@timmienorrie
@timmienorrie 2 года назад
Many thanks for sharing your expertise.
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
My pleasure!
@NellsMechanicalManCave
@NellsMechanicalManCave 2 года назад
Thanks Joe, another lesson learned. Good to see you on both feet 😉 Cheers Neil
@DirtyRobot
@DirtyRobot 2 года назад
I just got into cat skinning and only know of two ways as of now. I would be happy to learn of other cat skinning methods as I am a noob.
@SuperjJanSr
@SuperjJanSr 2 года назад
Very much ado about nothing!
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
If you know the techniques already, you're right.
@mikemarriam
@mikemarriam 2 года назад
Thanks for all the great techniques Joe. I have a rotary table with an unknown center taper. What techniques would you suggest for determinig that taper?
@joepie221
@joepie221 2 года назад
If possible, use 2 balls of different diameters and measure to the top of them once they rest in the hole, one at a time. Then trig it out. 2nd option. Set a stop on your quill and a controllable downward distance. Register an indicator in the taper and sweep it down the given distance. Triangulate it and trig it out.
@mikemarriam
@mikemarriam 2 года назад
@@joepie221 thank you for your response. I've tried the second method without much success. Nothing in the 18th edition Machinerys Handboook matches what I come up with. The first method seems much less subjective. I'll give that a try. Thanks again.
@MachiningandMicrowaves
@MachiningandMicrowaves 2 года назад
@@joepie221 I hadn't thought of that trick, I often need to measure unknown very small diameter tapers. I just tried it on one I made using a 1.7 mm carbide boring bar. Using 4mm and 5mm balls and a depth mic it checked out remarkably accurately! Another one for the Little Black Book of measurement tips. Brilliant bonus info, thanks very much
@nutgone100
@nutgone100 2 года назад
I don’t like scratching lines with callipers either, so I bought myself a cheap marking calliper from one of the Chinese websites, it even came with a carry case & spare scribe. For around £10 (under $20) I find it really useful. Unfortunately it’s not digital, but it doesn’t do me any harm to keep my hand in with analogue measuring equipment from time to time. Great to see you back again Joe, I really hope you’re not pushing yourself too hard. Take care.
@geoffnightingale2846
@geoffnightingale2846 10 месяцев назад
You're not an engineer Joe , you're an artist. As a turner for over 40 years in all sorts of materials from steel , bronze , and currently , plastic , it's a pleasure and an education to watch your videos.
@donmathias1705
@donmathias1705 2 года назад
The challenge with using the compound slide is you loose your digital readings. I made up a block with a vertical hole and a large flat face on it. This then bolts to my tailstock on the operator side. I have a heavy piece of rectangular key steel that I have drilled a hole in one end. I set this guide bar to the desired angle using my readout and a DTI. Easy calculation to do. If you do it over 6 inches or so you can move the saddle along six inches and the toolpost in the desired amount and set the keysteel at zero at both points. I dont use the compound slide because it voids all the tool settings using a DRO. Then to simply machine a taper use your power feed and a DTI. Keep the needle on the DTI on zero or any other preset number and the lathe will generate a long uniform taper. Ideal when you need to make matching tapers as on a propeller and shaft. The initial work required to make a block and have it easily attach to the tailstock does take a bit of time but once you have done it the time is paid back easily. Almost like a copy lathe.
@garthbutton699
@garthbutton699 2 года назад
I'm not a machinists these tips will be put to good use,thanks for your efforts🤗😎🤗😎
@calevel
@calevel 2 года назад
Another great lesson now put in time and space from a true professional! Thank you Joe!!
@MichaelMoranGearHead
@MichaelMoranGearHead 2 года назад
That was a great set of tips! Thank you. I'm about to make some sets of bevel gears so I'll try these methods out and see what I like.
@y2ksw1
@y2ksw1 2 года назад
I never trust angles on a compound. Thus I calculate the diameters and go for that method
@MadeInGreatBritain
@MadeInGreatBritain 2 года назад
Another great video Joe! Just watching at the end there reminded me that I recently learned that there are two ways to measure depth on a vernier! Blew me away.
@y2ksw1
@y2ksw1 2 года назад
I never trust angles on a compound. Thus I calculate the diameters and go for that method
@MikelNaUsaCom
@MikelNaUsaCom 2 года назад
Thx! I'm assuming similar operations are available on the Mill as well?
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