Turning Into Disaster (Air India Flight 855) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN

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The case of Air India Flight 855 is one of the Worst Air Disasters ever recorded. On the first night 1978, in the dark night sky, this massive plane photographed plunged into the Arabian sea less than two minutes after takeoff. This was a devastating case that really was a simple accident, yet it claimed so many lives. The accident involved the largest plane of the day, the Boeing 747.
The Boeing 747 today is in its Twilight years, yet it is still one of if not the most iconic plane to ever fly. For the longest time there was no plane as big as it, no plane commanded such awe as the four engine Queen of the Sky. We’re going to unpack how this very short flight unfolded. Lets travel to India and see if we can gain an understanding as to how these lives were lost.
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@DisasterBreakdown Год назад

@willlecomber7509 Год назад

Great video, could you do a similar video with air India flight 182 bombing? That would be awesome

@mikesusiest Год назад

A very good video but i have a question. When are u going to make a video about Air India 182?

@johnboyd782 Год назад

@@mikesusiest.

@friendlyreptile9931 Год назад

Please call it Stick or Yoke and not Wheel -.- it's not a DC3 :D

@RGBmode Год назад

TL:DR - In the space of 120 seconds the plane took off, banked too sharply and crashed.

@Carlos44 Год назад

From the CVR it seems obvious that Boeing's claim that the instrument didn't fail is bogus given that both the captain "my instrument" and the flight engineer "don't use that one" referenced the faulty instrument.

@SlightlySaturated Год назад

Never ever trust Boeing.

@redfan3977 Год назад

Maybe they assumed the captain’s was faulty

@20chocsaday Год назад

That's where you are best with a Swiss Army Knife dangling on a string.

@kkobayashi1 11 месяцев назад

@@20chocsadayThat's a common misconception. Acceleration is indistinguishable from gravity, so a weight on a string (or your inner ears) cannot tell you which way is down. If you do a barrel roll correctly, the string will point to the floor of the aircraft the whole time, even when the aircraft is upside down.

@20chocsaday 11 месяцев назад

@@kkobayashi1 True, but I did not offer the idea for use in extreme circumstances. Only desperate ones

@6yjjk Год назад

So much like KAL 8509 - including the flight engineer being the only one who truly knew what was going on.

@carterstoinis3397 Год назад

which country is it from

@6yjjk Год назад

@@carterstoinis3397 Korean Air Cargo, departing London Stansted in December 1999. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Cargo_Flight_8509

@danielmiddleton5702 Год назад

@@carterstoinis3397 KAL- Korean Air Lines Flight, this was a cargo aircraft which crashed shortly after takeoff. If you such up KAL 8509 you should see some videos :)

@Henipah 11 месяцев назад

That CVR transcript is tragic. “Bank.”

@ImperialDiecast Год назад

What really sucks about this disaster is that it happened right during the 2nd most critical phase of flying, the initial climb. when you only have 2000 feet between you and the ocean surface, you had maybe...20 seconds time from the intial 'toppling' of the captain's ADI to the plane hitting the ocean? 20 seconds for the copilot and flight engineer to react. 20 seconds for all 3 crew members to look at the damn backup ADI in the center and use it to level off. And then check if it matches the copilots. RIP to the 200 people aboard this ill fated queen of the skies.

@jackiehoward7300 Год назад

Hello Chloe. I enjoy your videos so much. You did another great job on today’s episode. Until I started watching your videos, I never realized how important pitot tubes are. I am always surprised how many air accidents happen because of a small failures in instruments or their performance.

@Treepwastaken Год назад

As soon as you sad that a captain's side instrument failed, I was like "oh no, it's gonna be a crew management problem again :("

@KoffinKat Год назад

It wasn't really a CRM problem tho, the problem was that both the FO and the Flight Engineer spoke in a very unclear way 😕 Though in such a situation, it's probably understandable that you get nervous and don't clearly articulate what you want to say. It'd be unfair to blame anyone here tbh, Boeing is hardly responsible for a random Artifical Horizon error and the pilots didn't have any point of reference in the pitch black night... R.I.P. everyone on board 🙁

@aasamspb967 Год назад

@@KoffinKat Boeing was responsible for this. They had a bad reputation for many equipment failures. And they had many crashes.

@20chocsaday Год назад

@@aasamspb967 Did Boeing make the instrument or did they buy it in the same way that the car industry operates?

@aasamspb967 Год назад

@@20chocsaday But it is Boeing's responsibility to get better equipment. If Boeing didn't know about the equipment failure then the companies of the respective equipments should be blamed.

@dynasty006-y9e Год назад

@@aasamspb967 equipments fail. That's why there were 3 of them. It was low class on Boeing's side to put the Captain's name on the dirt, but no plane should be crashing due to an ADI malfunction when you still have 2 others working in perfect condition.

@nigelbond4056 Год назад

Another well researched and brilliantly edited and narrated video. Boeing does seem to have a history of telling mistruths to minimise their culpability when things go wrong. I’m afraid I have little trust in them now as their automatic defence invariably blames the pilot. Whilst in this case pilot error was critical, the Captain’s confusion was caused by the ineffective artificial horizon so Boeing should shoulder some of the blame.

@tiadaid 10 месяцев назад

Things break, which is why Boeing had redundant instruments in the cockpit as backup. The first officer's instrument was working fine, and the comparator also worked fine. The Captain for some inexplicable reason chose to ignore the signs. Why should Boeing be at fault?

@Pepsi9144 8 месяцев назад

@@tiadaid It is true that Adi breaks down in every type of plane, but this does not change the fact that Boeing blaming the pilot for intentionally crashing the plane is very inappropriate, I will also add that the captain did not ignore the second pilot's instrument, but there was probably a misunderstanding between the crew

@RedwingBB Год назад

Stay classy, Boeing 😒 Thanks for this video Chloe, you do great work!!

@raihothexiv15th37 3 месяца назад

It wasn’t Boeing’s fault. It’s amusing how you all a Boeing haters seemingly want Boeing to be perfect when that’s an impossible reality. Airbus isn’t perfect either and has been having many problems throughout its history too. Including this year (2024.

@X737_ Год назад

Such a pity as all the captain had to do is look at the heading stability to see if the plane really was banking or not.

@Dilley_G45 Год назад

What I like most about this channel is that older crashes are covered. Mentour is great but I'm more interested in actual crashes up to the 80s.

@LunaNicoleTheFox Год назад

I only pilot (and even fly) myself in video games, specifically VTOL VR, the idea that someone wouldn't notice that an instrument displays data that just doesn't seem right, like an artificial horizon not moving with flight control inputs, bothers me, especially an experienced pilot, but sadly it seems to be a quite common occurence.

@tankthearc9875 Год назад

lol give it a rest

@pooryorick831 Год назад

Another well done presentation. I was not familiar with this accident. As always, I learned something despite being fascinated by passenger plane accidents and reading whatever I could find about them. And that began the same year this crash occurred after an accident affected me personally. I like all your content, but these days I am particularly interested in crashes from the propliner era. I am not as familiar with crashes prior to 1970 or so. So I am looking forward to any future episodes covering that period.

@jznsnb5618 Год назад

I've been researching why the pilot didn't follow the co-pilots ADI instead. Thanks for posting this in word form (other than other resources on the internet) about this accident. Quick question, can you check out Delta 723? And keep up the good work, Chloe.

@bmm760036 Год назад

Thanks highlighting other similar incidents. The recent Qatar incident was perhaps made worse by the pilots refusal to acknowledge what passengers must clearly have noticed given the rapid altitude loss.

@skunkrat01 Год назад

Look forward to that cheery Hello every week! Another top video from the top plane crash channel on RU-vid. That extra info about the pilot and the lawsuit was super interesting. I don't think he was drunk either. He obviously loved his job so much that he worked hard to control his diabetes properly so he could fly. Responsible diabetics don't drink a lot! Smh

@richardgoulden3572 Год назад

Good video on the implication of Boeing and pointing out that these events have happened again with younger and as you said ‘healthier’ pilots

@mari0n333 Год назад

This guy's videos are so high quality, and his voice is relaxing too. Is it weird I watch these before bed? Lol

@PJay-wy5fx Год назад

Her name is Chloe and she's not a guy.

@ssadalas Год назад

@@PJay-wy5fx were a guy or biologically a girl ? Im just curious, no bad intention

@mari0n333 Год назад

@@PJay-wy5fx Oops, I couldn't tell from the voice.

@lukum55 Год назад

I find it odd how the pilots don't feel the planes attitude. Once the bank passes 45 degrees the pilots are basically sitting on the wall, they would fall out of their seats if they didn't wear seatbelts. How is it possible for a person to think the plane is banking in one direction while he is literally falling out of his seat in the other direction?

@ats-3693 Месяц назад

Yeah but because the plane is also turning while it's banking the g force the pilots and everyone else feels is tilted sideways outwards away from the direction of the turn, it still feels like you are upright, just as in a perfectly executed 1 g barrel roll it always feels like you are the right way up even when the aircraft is completely upside down, if you were a passenger during a 1 g barrel roll and you had your eyes closed you wouldn't know that you just rolled over.

@tommasogubiani3768 Год назад

I'm confused, shouldn't have been a bank angle warning to alert the pilots when the angle exeded normal parameters? I'm assuming that this being an old aircraft maybe it wasn't installed yet even thogh it is still a 747 so I would assume that an aircraft like this should have it.

@Sashazur Год назад

The video did state that the pilots had begun to recover from the bank but it was too late, I’m assuming because they were too low. So possibly there might have been such a warning but they didn’t react quickly enough, or because of their low altitude it was already too late when the warning did occur.

@slaxyy3307 Год назад

Most bank alarms go off the captains ADI or at least at the time they did

@romanregman1469 Год назад

Disorientation is inexcusable in the modern time, when night-vision goggles could be installed in the cockpit, with the pilot flying maybe shielded from light by a blackout curtain, and the copilot monitoring instruments. Hell, a monitor at least showing light-amplification on a head-up display...

@yours2injesus2 19 дней назад

HOW SAD

@Southmoor63105 9 месяцев назад

Always amazes me that, say, Honda will do a recall on millions of cars if the safety belts dont adjust correctly, but Boeing will hire lawyers to inform the customer that he/she has the problem despite multiple incidents of defective instruments

@peggyh8937 Год назад

Great job, thanks!

@randalparks9648 7 месяцев назад

Another Flight channel, Mentour Pilot had a video about a United 777 that nearly dove into the Pacific right after takeoff from a Hawaiian airport during a bad storm. They recovered from a 500 KPH dive less than 800 feet above the water. If the clouds had gone down to sea level, they would have all died, This one was caused by an error in flap positioning after takeoff and disorientation because of the clouds.

@mattsqwrl Год назад

Quite unlucky, they made only small mistakes and spotted them within a few seconds. But they just didn't have enough time. This is why you have the old saying that nothing is less useful than runway behind you or altitude above you.

@pandaphil 3 месяца назад

I've heard this same type of malfunction and accident happen so many times. Just stick a glass tube and a marble on the control panel!

@bepowerification Год назад

Its interesting how in 80% of these videos the pilots were "very experienced"..

@ittylink Год назад

Being very experienced doesn't exclude the ability to make mistakes though its just much higher odds of success.

@mikeymikey4186 Год назад

Just the last weeks accident video featured a very inexperienced pilot who shouldn't have been flying

@Darkvirgo88xx Год назад

The more experienced you get, the more complacent you get. It's human nature, and it's hard to fight sometimes. Basically, you become overconfident vs. when you are a newer pilot and don't want to mess up, so you're extra cautious.

@ElementerChannel Год назад

Probably because most commercial pilots overall are very experienced?

@grmpEqweer Год назад

Everyone has a bad day at work. With anyone who operates large passenger vehicles, one hopes it's not a fatally bad day.😭

@junebugjunebug4492 Год назад

Why didn't bank angle alarm go off??

@dlavarco Год назад

This is why 1 pilot flies the airplane and 1 pilot monitors the instruments. Unfortunately, it's the Pilot monitoring at fault.

@jamesmorphe8003 Год назад

sometimes i prefer primitive solutions to modern failures. when i fly into a known position where spatial orientation could be a problem, i put a weight on a string and hang it from the ceiling.

@rilmar2137 Год назад

While the technical cause was different, this crash is jarringly similar to Sriwijaya Air flight 182 in some aspects

@MultiNiyas Год назад

My mother's first husband Noor Muhammad died in this incident. Noor Muhammad has two children. my eldest sister Fatima and Rahmat, who were in umma’s womb when the incident took place. I am the youngest of 3 children after a second marriage. It was only recently that I found out that the father of my two elder sisters was different and how he died. When I went to Bandra's beach where the mannat located (one of India's biggest celebrity Shah Rukh Khan’s home) I found myself in tears among the celebrants. Thank you for this video.

@bigbrainnoob3308 Год назад

Amazing video! Can you please do turkish airlines flight 981 next?

@andrejbratkov2128 Год назад

Thanks!

@michaelbiggs1254 11 месяцев назад

I'm not a pilot but surely if there's a problem with an instrument you should fly the plane straight and level until you can diagnose the problem. Surely you don't need an instrument to do that. Don't keep banking the aircraft.

@ats-3693 Месяц назад

Yeah but that's the problem, when its dark outside and the pilots can't see the ground or the horizon they need those instruments to know if they are flying straight and level, without an attitude indicator the pilots can't know if the aircraft is banking or pitching up or down. The problem was that the captain kept believing that his malfunctioning attitude indicator was correct, instead of confirming that the first officers attitude indicator and the third backup attitude indicator were both indicating the same attitude and both disagreeing with his which would confirm that his instrument was almost certainly malfunctioning and showing an incorrect attitude, it was poor crew communication.

@Dovietail Год назад

Never, EVER feel obligated to be CHARITABLE to Boeing again! They don't deserve it.

@Forran 10 месяцев назад

Was there no bank angle warning?

@MGower4465 Год назад

A diabetic is unlikely to drink - alcohol seriously screws with insulin level. Still, even without an instrument, you would feel such a steep bank, and the pilot had to be banking for a time and failed to notice the artificial horizon wasn't moving?

@darrenwendell1723 Год назад

If the AI is such a vital instrument why not have 4 installed instead of 2? In a split second decision making and you have only 2 of these available, how would you know which one to trust? If you have 4 of them it's easy to figure out which one is faulty.

@kuromyou7969 Год назад

There were three. One each for the pilot and first officer and a back up in the center.

@mt_baldwin Год назад

I don't think the pilot's diabetes played any part. My mother has the type that causes your blood sugar to drop dangerously low, but it's not a gradual effect when it happens, it's rapid and you know it's happening and you know it's not something that corrects itself so you can't ignore it. My point is if his blood sugar dropped due to diabetes, the captain would've known what was happening and that would've became his main focus, thinking "I need sugar immediately because I'm about to pass out and probably die", he wouldn't have been talking calmly about the ADI and he certainly would've known he wasn't able to fly at that moment.

@scaramonga Год назад

After such a short period after take off, I suspect none of the pilots were to blame in this instance. Boeing are just that, Boeing. RIP all.

@MothaLuva Год назад

17:00 Let me guess, the judge was from the US..?

@davidwheatcroft2797 Год назад

When flying IFR, you must pay attention to ALL the instruments. In this case, the turn and bank indicator would have sorted things out. And, when the Captain saw nothing happening on his ADI despite applying opposite aileron, he should have handed over, "You have control." Then checked the stand by ADI to see proof which ADI was bad. And, WHY was he flying manually? Just use the Flight Director usu on top of the dash.

@tankthearc9875 Год назад

that is risky to give up control right in the middle of an event , easy to say in a comfy desk at home

@davidwheatcroft2797 Год назад

@@tankthearc9875 I was a pilot in the RAFVR. How is it "risky" to give up control? Pilots can be become disoriented. Your LIFE depends on correct resolution......in the early jet days, planes, in bad weather, would take off and dive in to the right.....the acceleration was buggering up their inner ear. You MUST believe your instruments and cross check them as I have indicated. I nearly died when in a spiral dive in heavy cloud. ONLY by relying on my ADI did I level the wings and pull out just before hitting the ground at 300kts. Flying is a very serious business - recently, we lost 4 people in a mid-air collision. And some say, "What danger?" Bloody insult. Pilots WORK ALL the time, waiting for something to go wrong. I also built C-IAVW, an aerobat.

@icepapermario99 Год назад

Hi, I have an idea for the next video maybe. Corporate Airlines Flight 5966, an air crash from 2004 with only 2 survivors.

@robertmcghintheorca49 Год назад

There is one final tragic point to bring up. Almost 22 years later, on the 22nd of December 1999, a near identical accident to Air India Flight 855 took place. Korean Air Cargo Flight 8509 from Seoul, South Korea to Milan, Italy had just taken off from Stansted International Airport in London, England. In this case, the Captain's Attitude Direction Indicator malfunctioned, tricked them into thinking they were flying straight and level when they were genuinely rolling to the left. A very interesting power and cultural dynamic led the First Officer to not intervene, and the Boeing B747 crashed shortly take-off. All four people onboard were killed. Perhaps this incident is best saved for another day, and another video.

@joaobaptista8377 Год назад

ROKAF Culture

@kuro9410_ilust Год назад

@@joaobaptista8377 more like entirety of asian culture

@sylviabriggs4087 Год назад

@@kuro9410_ilust no

@knrdvmmlbkkn Год назад

"Almost 21 years later, on the 22nd of December 1999" That would be almost 22 years.

@robertmcghintheorca49 Год назад

@@knrdvmmlbkkn Thanks.

@dweedum731 Год назад

I remember the Emperor Ashoka crash vividly. I was about 12 years old. I was in Bombay at the time, and my home was right by the beach, not too far from the airport. I vividly remember a loud thunderous explosion, and everyone in my family wondered what it was. Given that it was January 1st, we all thought it was just fireworks. But we still felt it was too loud for it to be fireworks. Later that night, when we turned on the TV we heard that a plane had crashed upon takeoff. For months after that, I still remember seeing shoes, bags, and other personal items float up to the shore where I lived. It was terrible. After that, aside from news reports and such, didn't hear much about that crash until this video. Thanks for making this video.

@gyaniadmi2347 Год назад

Do you live in Juhu?

@emo7636 Год назад

Wow. That must have been incredibly disturbing and difficult for a young child to comprehend.

@sailaab 7 месяцев назад

gyaniadmi2347 That person is making things up for feeding his megalomania

@skewminds3756 2 месяца назад

Hmmm u must be riiicch living by the beach n Mumbai!

@letsgobrandon4601 Год назад

Blame the dead guy, protect the megacorp, nothing new here. Great video

@CGFIELDS Год назад

We all appreciate your hard work on creating this informative content…Thank you.

@DisasterBreakdown Год назад

Thank you so much for watching.

@priyendupant5941 Год назад

Thanks for making this video and giving tribute to all the unfortunate souls who lost their life on that fateful day.

@mauricedavis2160 Год назад

AMEN!!!🙏😢✈️❣️

@Yukis.aviation Год назад

Can you do a video on All Nippon Airways flight 58 (involving a mid air collision with a 727 and a JASDF F-86 Sabre)? It’s a very overlooked accident, and it will make for a quite interesting video.

@craigmarlow4343 Год назад

My father, brother and I flew first class on this aircraft from Heathrow to Delhi via Paris (Orly), Frankfurt and Beirut in early May 1975. My brother (9) and I (15) were lucky given the opportunity to share the jump seat behind our Csptain during takeoff and climb out of Paris that day. The Emperor Ashoka was beautiful aircraft with Air India's distinct ornate interior decor. What a tragic end for such a magnificent 747.

@sharoncassell5273 9 месяцев назад

Adi wás called artificial horizon before. The. New name is more accurate.

@sian2337 8 месяцев назад

I miss those days when kids could go to the cockpit and meet the pilots. It was my dream job growing up, but unfortunately I never grew tall enough to make my dream a reality.

@sailaab 7 месяцев назад

sian2337 Life has its schema for everything. Thank you so much for sharing your personal moments, life thoughts with us. And indeed, those were classier yet relaxed, happier times. Much wishes and prayers for you to have peace, joy in life.

@Capt.Turner Год назад

I'm glad you're bringing this up. When you look up how many planes went down due to a single instrument or pitot tube failure in an otherwise perfectly fine airplane, you can't help but wonder why so many people had to die for no good reason at all. In this particular case Boeing is going extra cheap by just accusing the pilot of being under the influence. As these kinds of disasters keep on happening, I do not get the feeling, that these types of problems are adequately addressed by the FAA or the industry as a whole.

@ac.7724 Год назад

Those pitot tubes sure seem to play a part in a lot of accidents. Seems like they could come up with a better design or something.

@20chocsaday Год назад

It would be good if there was a different way of measuring airspeed, in fact two different techniques to show which one was wrong.

@anniioakley9765 Год назад

Shit! Have 3,4,5,6 pito tubes on the bottom of the plane. How do they argue redundancy with those if you can have a fatal flight with only one malfunctioning… sheesh…

@jacekatalakis8316 Год назад

Something that leaps out at me is okay but, what was the crew dynamic. To me the F/E could say hey no look at the backup ADI, because he was older than the Captain or /O, so they'd look up to him. I'm wondering if the F/O didn't feel comfortable speaking up and just said yes, mine has toppled because it wasn't showing straight and level, as well as not feeling able to speak up due to a lack of what we now know as CRM

@shatteredshards8549 Год назад

This is my shocked Pikachu face at Boeing denying any responsibility in the most ridiculous way imaginable. On the note of other flights, I cannot imagine being on that Qatar flight and the crew just deciding to continue on as normal after plunging at such a speed. That's kiss-the-ground-when-you-deplane type stuff.

@beenaplumber8379 7 месяцев назад

It feels intuitively weird, but why should they have returned instead of proceeding? The emergency was over, and returning would delay the passengers severely as well as costing a fortune in fuel, labor, and possibly hotel bills for everyone onboard with no real reason. And what would they have done when they returned to make the flight safer? I'm not sure I agree with that part of your comment.

@Nikhil9707 Год назад

Thanks for covering this air crash. Even though this was a very big accident, this was not covered much by the western media. Thankyou ❤

@lazydamsel Год назад

Yes indeed

@--Dani Год назад

I will never understand why a pilot monitoring doesn't take control when they see the pilot in control making a huge mistake. My instructor would purposely make a smallish mistake to make certain I was paying attention and ask or correct the deviation or mistake, this taught me a great lesson as I did not pick up the temporary lack of carb heat when it was needed, he asked me what was wrong with our decent, then I leaned to always pay attention to what is going on especially critical points of the flight. To be an instrument rated comercial pilot with a perfectly working ADI in front of him and do nothing is very very hard to understand, self preservation at the very least shoukd kick in, see this too often where a FO will just watch the train wreck (that he/she happens to be on)...difficult to understand for me, humans make mistakes and that is why there is more than one in the cockpit of a commercial flight. The captain is ultimately to blame as he is the captain but the FO has a massive burden also, this definitely shouldn't have happened.

@Sashazur Год назад

This happened because in an era before CRM, the culture of authority/seniority among flight crews, plus deference to age and experience that occurs in some cultures especially Asian ones, means that a subordinate or younger crew member may not challenge an older or more senior colleague even if they are obviously making a mistake.

@--Dani Год назад

@@Sashazur definitely agree

@kevinmalone3210 Год назад

Sounds as if you had a good flight instructor. It's hard to understand how that co pilot didn't do anything to correct the Captain's mistake. Maybe he was just as confused as the Captain. More likely it came down to poor cockpit resource management.

@--Dani Год назад

@@kevinmalone3210 had to been the issue, but if you see your colleague doing something that will kill himself and you, as a pilot no way could I sit by and do nothing...👍

@tomorrowisanotherday12 Год назад

I believe it was a culture of authority especially in those days. And after watching all of these crash videos, I feel it's also the junior pilot's faith in the experience of the senior pilot. No one expects death to be a sure outcome and keeps quiet because he's scared of speaking up. There's no seniority after death. They probably think, the older pilot has seen and handled such situations numerous times and will handle it. And should be able to handle it. They don't anticipate death until it actually comes and in air disasters it's often a matter of seconds.

@erajehaidery2019 Год назад

Is it possible for you to do Korean Air Cargo Flight 8509 which crashed in the Same problem like flight 855

@gonetoearth2588 Год назад

That was a great video Chloe! Thanks for all the hard work. I would like to make a point regarding this accident as well. An important point here was that the whole idea of crew resource management (CRM) was not such a well-known training aspect back then. In fact it was quite common for less experienced first officers to rarely speak up and contradict the captain as they felt they were not nearly as experienced as the captain. This was very common in the culture in India at the time as well. In many fields in fact. So unfortunately I feel if there is a better CRM the pilot monitoring certainly would’ve taken aircraft himself and corrected issue rather than not speaking up. There’s been numerous accidents and you know in the past regarding failure of CRM and now much less since training hasn’t been Instituted. However it should be said that the culture of experience and higher rank in India during the time contributed to this accident as well

@asmrsona3170 Год назад

Chloe, your videos are always a masterclass in production, explanation, and narration. Thank you for your excellent and accessible work!

@liukang3545 Год назад

his name is chloe ? AHAHAHAHHAH XD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@kais3297 Год назад

@@liukang3545 *her

@liukang3545 Год назад

@@kais3297 HAHAHAHAHA ITS A GIRL NARRATING ? HAHAHAHAHHAAHA ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ;D

@thecurseddrunk Год назад

@@liukang3545 and exactly what is so funny about that….

@vietfrost Год назад

@@liukang3545 i didn't know either but you don't have to act that shock bro

@pranavkumar-9120 Год назад

Thank you so much for covering this incident. There is so less information available on the internet regarding this accident but bang ! You covered it. The Qatar Airways incident gave me goosebumps because throughout the video I was thinking that it doesn't and cannot happen in modern aircrafts. It's so unfortunate , wish there was something that we could train humans to not to lose spatial orientation !

@beenaplumber8379 7 месяцев назад

Pilots are trained not to lose their orientation during instrument failures, but since it's so rare they rarely ever use that training unless they're in a simulator with a check airman or instructor looking over their shoulder, when they KNOW something bad is about to happen. In real life they don't know when something bad is about to happen, but they should always trust their instruments, no matter how they feel, and check the backup ADI when in doubt. Those two items should be automatic. That's basic instrument training.

@bicivelo Год назад

It’s crazy that Boeing was more interested in saving face, and saving money in a lawsuit, rather than trying to get to the truth. 😢

@lonemaus562 Год назад

They went about it in a horrible way I agree , it was ultimately not their fault and they should not have been sued but yeah they should not have gone about it that way

@bicivelo Год назад

@@lonemaus562 it’s very sad

@refutonefandus Год назад

I suspect another factor is culture. In Indian culture, you do not correct your superior. This is seen as undermining their leadership or competence. This can even be seen when a teacher explains something to student -- asking for clarification is a silent questioning of their ability to teach. As the Captain was in control, trying to correct him wasn't really done.

@FBI-bj9kr Год назад

that's Japanese, it's kindof in the mid in India, but they may be shut as to be in the good books of the seniors

@satinderjayia Год назад

You are correct

@lazydamsel Год назад

@@FBI-bj9kr that seems right

@ripintandon Год назад

That makes sense. The co pilot hesitated to correct his senior.

@Secularism.Ka.Shareholder Год назад

Pls don't suspect without having any knowledge about "human factor". Back then, a lot of things were not known leading to inadequate training about how to deal with a number if "abnormal" situations. And if u talk about Indian culture in this particular matter, u r wrong bro. Just read the final investigation reports of some of the accidents due to lack of CRM and then comment about the culture of any place. And one basic thing u shld remember : they were flying a plane and riding a bicycle.

@guybonfiglio5899 Год назад

If you are interested in a unique incident look into Qantas flight 30. It depressurised when an O2 bottle ruptured and rocketed from the hold into the cabin.

@SallyGreenaway Год назад

Yes I second this suggestion!!

@alanm8932 Год назад

Since it happened, that has been my "favorite incident" in terms of how unlikely the sequence of events was but there being good solid evidence that it happened! They did a pretty good job of following up the findings with looking for evidence of problems with other oxygen bottles. So I'm not sure there's much they left out, which is what this channel is so good in digging out and highlighting but perhaps we will see...

@fluxerflixer1 Год назад

This same thing happened to COPA AIRLINES a 737. Flying at cruise over the Amazon the captain initiated a turn to the right and his ADI stuck in that attitude. He performed his rollout to the left and just kept going until it rolled over inverted and eventually broke apart after over-speeding durning the dive to the forest. This happened in pure darkness over the Amazon forest, obviously having no reference to the horizon. Interestingly the gyro source switch was found with “both” on #1 system. That little standby ADI has its own gyro “inside” the instrument. My guess is that it was operating normally. Lasers, fiber optics, and newer glass has made aviation safer, unfortunately even with safer systems “spatial disorientation” will always be a lurking danger.

@jamiecheslo Год назад

The tragedy is compounded by the fact that the accident could have been avoided had proper CRM training been a priority in those days. As you said, there is a reason for the redundancies in instrumentation and in other flight systems. Had they been utilized effectively... well... Keep up the excellent work!

@wilsjane Год назад

Unless you are at low altitude, and heading for a mountain range, when in doubt, fly straight and level. The dregs in your coffee cup don't lie. Then monitor ALL instruments, take time to work out the solution, then have another cup of coffee and a final chat before you put your plans into action. An experienced pilot should know roughly the requires settings and thrusts for level flight. If these are not happening as you start any manoeuvre, stop and work it out again. There's no shortage of sky. If all that fails, keep a safety margin of altitude, before working out the simplest and straightest way of getting back on the ground.

@WingingItCrypto Год назад

Great video! I really appreciate the extra effort you put in to research all the evidence

@jamest2401 Год назад

There are so many air disasters which would not have happened if the flight had been during the day. It would be an interesting endeavor to research and compile a list of each one. This crash, American 965, AeroPeru 603, AirFrance 447, Copa 201, Gulf Air 072, Flash 604, Kenya 507, FlyDubai 981, maybe Birgenair 301, etc, etc… To make an exhaustive list would take quite a bit of time.

@ijoseluis Год назад

I just piloted a Piper Cub, many years ago. However, I'm a passionate for aviation and I kept following all my life aviation safety, issue that leads me to follow also this channel, alas enjoying its balanced approach. I'd say, thus, that the artificial horizon failure was just a - very important - contributing factor. It needs to be seen within the cultural environment of the time, regarding the airline safety and the flight management. Both the PIC and the PIM failed to assess the situation and act accordingly, but the warnings failed also to give an essential contribution to the situational awareness. The alcohol issue was probably irrelevant, as it wouldn't interfere in the technique of flying, either as to the information that instruments didn't provide or the poor flight management in the cockpit.

@lazydamsel Год назад

Thank you for covering this one. It is almost as if no one remembers this incident!

@gabiribeiro1989 Год назад

Chloe, thank you for another incredible video 💖

@basic48 Год назад

How can three pilots not recover from a simple instrument failure. The whole idea of instrument flying is that you dont need outside visual awareness....do we need more pilots in the cockpit? How many pilots do we need 12?

@AmitSinghCRT Год назад

The altitude was 2000 ft, thats merely some seconds.

@beccyvc5743 Год назад

Thanks for reliably delivering, the effort really shows 💜

@ecocodex4431 Год назад

2:38 So he was in India Air before he got to Air India, nice!

@eltecladistadeloeste Год назад

As always, boeing making dirty moves to cover up negligence. RIP for all those poor passengers

@ConcordeError404 Год назад

Hey! Thanks a lot, I remember asking for this video on AI 855. Thanks a bunch

@eikopoppy29 Год назад

As a diabetic I can attest that hypoglycemia can severely affect your mental state. If the captain was on new medications, he may have been experiencing low blood sugar without realizing it. If so, I can understand how a simple failure might have been too much for him to handle. Even with the 2nd officer telling him what to do. The claim that the instrument was totally fine seems pretty ridiculous though.

@katsarosfiat 9 месяцев назад

Well then mayyyybe you should NOT fligh a damn 747. Just saying

@sidoney101 11 месяцев назад

I was on a flight recently where the plane had to take off on a moonless night over the sea. After reading about numerous crashes partly caused by no visual reference I must admit to feeling slightly nervous.

@andreypetrov4868 Год назад

How can you expect that a particular instrument will never ever fail ? That's why they have 3x redundancy. If pilots don't know how to act in such situations, it just shows that their qualification level is very low. Irrespectively how nany hours they had spent in the cockpit before.

@kindenmarcs.riquez5868 Год назад

Honestly i really like you vids man especially the 747's air disaster documentaries i hope you upload more of those vids

@Xymanek Год назад

"Pilot was drunk" does that remind anyone else of "poor 3rd world pilots were the reason the MAXes crashed when MCAS malfunctioned"? I guess the real takeaway is that Boeing is (and has always been) happy to blame anyone but their tech when things go sideways.

@WadeBenfitting Год назад

Such a tragedy 😞 And it involved one instrument that killed over 200 people 😔

@roymackenzie-jy4lr Год назад

Could you please cover air india flight 182 and maybe the mont blanc ones together

@lazydamsel Год назад

Yes those are also significant disasters

@micheleshively8557 Год назад

As usual Chloe, your videos have superb narration and keep me enthralled. Love this channel ❤️💙 blessings to you and yours and your followers

@selticid Год назад

Hey! I've been a fan of your content for a while, and one thing I was always confused about was attitude vs altitude... I think it would make a good short video to explain the difference. It might also be good to have shorts explaining other common terms/tools so you don't have to redefine them every time.

@Jabarri74 Год назад

It would be very off putting to new viewers just to be bombarded with jargon with no explanations given. I dont mind them they help remind me too as a non pilot :)

@57Jimmy Год назад

Once you’ve been bitten by the av-geek virus, all these unfamiliar phrases will become first and foremost in everything you say and do! Attitude: the position of the plane in respect to the horizon…going up, down banking left and right. Altitude: simply the height of a plane from either sea level or ground level. Above sea level is based on atmospheric pressure and is subject to errors if not calibrated exactly. Not as big a problem flying at a higher ‘Altitude’ Above ground altitude is more exacting as it is an electronic radar that works like a radar gun but instantly calculating and showing distance to the ground and not speed.☺️

@alanm8932 Год назад

@@57Jimmy I'll probably only add to the to the confusion by pointing out that aircraft attitude isn't about "going up"/"going down", it's about the aircraft's nose pointing up or down relative to the horizon. (And in the case of an erroneous instrument, we are talking about the real horizon, not what the instrument indicates). It's particularly important to understand the difference for accident investigations, as the aircraft often has a nose high attitude but is "going down"! (Stalled).

@57Jimmy Год назад

@@alanm8932 thanks for clarifying this. I know what you say is correct, I just cant think of the right words to describe what I try to say!😂👴🏻

@cherryg2210 3 месяца назад

I was living at Prabhadevi Sea Face during that time. On thar night which was a Sunday, we were watching the weekend film and distinctly remember hearing a thud. Later we came to know that a plane has crashed off Bandra coast. Next few days Navy choppers came very close to the beach looking for debris. I was only 10 yrs old. 45 years back....

@toothlessseer3153 4 месяца назад

I remember that day very well. It was new year, I was 16 years old. living in the suburb of Bandra (Bombay), along the shoreline where the plane crashed. We had gone for a new year family gathering (in the city) and returned home after midnight. Saw big crowds along the shoreline and lights on the sea. Then realized it was a plane crash. Another interesting tidbit... At that time, my classmates' father had a senior position in charge of Air India's engineering maintenance. After the crash, he got demoted and transferred to New York. _(Which seemed to work very well for my classmate)_

@KapoorsKedarnathTRIP 2 месяца назад

It was a India’s first Boeing 747 that crashed the Arabian Sea in 1978. It was the first delivery of Air India is first is Boeing 747. It accidentally crashed in the Arab heading to Dubai.

@SumeetMahindroo1990 2 месяца назад

VT is not Victor Tango its Viceroy Territory which is still been use by Indian Government from British rule even after independence till today.

@oldgysgt Год назад

Thanks for bringing up the drinking and pilot health allegations. I also tend to believe they were "Red Herrings" on the part of Boeing's lawyers, but if they hadn't been mentioned, someone would have probably referred to them in the comments. With three possible Attitude Indicators to refer to, it's obvious the Command Pilot failed to double check into why his control inputs were apparently not having any effect on the Attitude Indicator he was using as his reference. I'm not a pilot, but I have found, if something doesn't make sense, it's best to check your meter or instruments for proper function before proceeding.

@ac.7724 Год назад

Maybe the pilot had a bad hangover? Did they do an autopsy? Should be able to tell his BAC?

@GBOAC 10 месяцев назад

It also doesn't make sense to me that if you would first bank say 10 or even 20 degrees to the right, then correct back, you would *keep banking left* for longer than the same time it took to make the original bank to the right. Even if the horizon showed any kind of reading that you were still banking right. Sounds to me like the pilot was out of his mind somehow, I don't think if it matters if it was alcohol or diabetes or whatever caused it, just that it shouldn't be blamed on Boeing.

@oldgysgt 10 месяцев назад

@@GBOAC; I'm not a pilot, and I not blaming Boeing, but it if I was a member of a flight crew, and I even suspected the Command Pilot was "under the influence" of ANY substance, I would have been screaming bloody murder before the cabin doors had even been secured.

@GBOAC 10 месяцев назад

@@oldgysgt obviously, but it isn't always as clear how incapacitated someone is. Also often only the head of the cabin crew will talk to the pilots, and then sometimes just one of them does the talking. So there aren't many options for the rest of the cabin crew to validate the merits and capacities of the captain. Then thirdly it could also have been a combination of factors, like fatique, being slightly ill, diabetes as was mentioned, maybe some kind of food or drink reaction. All those things don't raise suspicion of being under the influence but can still lead to huge problems (although less nowadays with better CRM).

@oldgysgt 10 месяцев назад

@@GBOAC; speculation about the pilot being "incapacitated" is of no real help, and without a breath or blood sample, it's only speculation.

@peterbamforth6453 Год назад

I suppose they managed to save a few million in damages blaming the pilot for having a drink.......And the instrument had failed before...Shamefull.

@anshuman2952 Год назад

Thank you very much for covering this almost unheard of accident. And yes, spatial disorientation has been such a major cause behind so many air disasters that it's mind boggling. However, we humans are not perfect just like the instruments in the cockpit. So it's very likely that a pilot could make a mistake. Imagine having a spotless record of 18000 flying hours, all washed away due to a mistake of just 20 seconds. But what's to say, the guy was a human being like any other. But yes, the ones with him that night should have course corrected. Especially since the co-pilot was also a captain, so he should have been more confident in speaking up or snatching the control. Also his job was to monitor. When the pilot flying actually expressed mistrust on his instrument, the pilot monitoring should have verified what both HIS and the backup ADI were telling and spoken loud and clear as to what was happening. Or he could have snatched the controls himself. And where the hell were the GPWS and Bank angle alerts?? Had the Bank angle alert sounded, the captain would have been alerted as to how the aircraft which acc to his ADI was on a smooth right turn was suddenly having Bank angle alarms. He could have course corrected. So yeah, where were the GPWS and Bank Angle alerts. They could have saved the plane.

@mbvoelker8448 Год назад

Very interesting. I wonder if there were cultural factors keeping the younger co-pilot from speaking up more emphatically or if he was just as confused by the two instruments not agreeing.

@MutheiM_Marz Год назад

Boeing, Keep their records for being slimiest company. Instrument failure, MCAS. Tried to blame pilot

@Er_Guille Год назад

I don't know if you've covered this accident and I can't search very good from my phone; but I would love to see your report on Santa Barbara Airlines flight 518, the second deadliest aviation accident involving the type.