Turning Metteton Neo into a real boss fight part 4: New Music, new attacks and fixing some jank 

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Add more dialogue and flavor text

hey dude, mind if we talk?

@@carst0128 Sure

A certain skeleton would be hell if that went to his plan

Same, my dude

If anything, it’s a show of how powerful you’ve gotten at this point of genocide in undertale. It’s not that Mettaton was weak, it’s more that you were overpowered.

It's true that the NEO form was unstable probably bc of the coexisting box and EX forms tho

@@grubly9372 Genocide attacks are ridiculous as to how high they go against the main characters the further you go into the run. At the start you deal around 2k damage to Toriel, Mettaton NEO gets hit by a 40k damage attack, Sans gets hit by a 9 million damage attack, and by the end you deal 9 trillion damage to Asgore, which doesn't immediately kill him, only knock him down to his knees until Flowey finishes him off. Talk about overkill.

@@Nyxael5845 whats the damage for sans?

Or make him say "Did you know neo is famous for its high defence" spamton neo reference

​@@allgamer3679 when you 1st attack him, he could say this * Darling, why so shocked? * Don't you know NEO is famous for its high defense?

Unfortunately I'm a pretty mediocre coder, it took me an entire day just to get that attack working properly, and I would of made them faster except I made them too long and when it moved faster than the second time (which is faster than the first) I ran into a problem where they became unavoidable since the ones that have spawned will still be passing by when new ones spawn which creates a wall that forces you into a corner and you inevitably get hit. I can fix this by making them shorter so they can fire faster but I'm not too sure about the flashing red since their set to fire at where ever your soul is and I don't think Undertales standard warning box would properly convey the direction of one these attacks since their set to spawn from every direction, I could give it a crack though.

@@tigertank1819 i think you can ask somebody for help? But that main problem is who exactly. Because sadly i don't know any people who could help you and also i don't know how to script at all

@@tigertank1819 just go to r/undermodders for help

Because of mass appeal

Instant gratification runs people’s lives these days.

It's literally the internet's/algorithm's one and only tendency

Toby Fox should’ve done this TBH. He decided not to though because the next boss, Sans is already hard AF.

@@jason256-8 i think the reason was he only wanted to make one more genocide boss, and he had to pick between sans and mettaton, and just chose sans

ok but to be fair, if MTT NEO wasn't a joke, then the fight against Sans would have been worse bc everyone would have already eaten the good items by now making Sans more of a pain. Plus we already have [[NEO]] IN [Your other Local] PLACE!

@@P1glinFury sans fight? Brother metaton NEO is the strongest monster besides asriel and omega flowey. He is just busted but a joke fight

@@Rainne. Mtt Neo and Inmortal Undyne look like Asriel Hyperdeath Spikes in shoulders White and heartshaped gloves Heartshaped chestplate Mtt Neo have shiny wings Why this isn't a real fight?... Why Toby Fox?... Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy?

I mean, yeah, that's literally the point. It's intended to be anticlimactic. It being a fake-out also sets up perfectly for Sans, luring those who are playing blind into a false sense of security(especially when it gives you the real knife and locket, which are deceptively useless) while also saving your healing items, which is important.

@@Missingno_Miner Yeah... After defeating The True Fish Hero in her most OP anime form, everyone only ran away avoiding you (except the Mtt's mercenaries in The Core) And Mtt be like The Last One Standing... And kill him in oneshot, Flowey afraid of you in New Home and the Knive with 99 atk; fills you with determination and confidence; only to be everything useless aganist Sans Well played, Toby (annonying dog)

And there should actually be a chance that when you choke on it you would lose about 10-20 hp

Or "You think that you'll kill me with one hit?" "NEO is famous by it's hight defense" *Mettaton NEO transforms part of his attack into defence! Mettaton NEO ATK: 309 DEF: 609 "Now this is a fight!" "Let's dance, darling~"

The underground needs a hero

This didn’t age very well.

@@SorielHDTBers Mabey one day (no ETA though)

I always just thought that it was a joke about Mettaton being weak, but I was wrong ig.

No, the instakill is meant to be disappointing. Toby wants you to feel bad for everything you've done, not powerful.

​@@avcables_tf mettaton is not weak we are too op

@@teslapanda1412 That was 3 months ago.

Yeah, the laser doesn't feel like laser at all. Also, i think it should also move and charge directions in-screen, slowly charging it's direction to try to damage the player player and trying to follow him for a while to get a better spot. It could make sense since NEO is trying to do the most damage he can before he dies. When he as very low HP, he should try an all-out attack, constantly blasting and throwing attacks at you before his blastes get overloaded and you kill him.

The hp thing was either in the game files or just the empty gun being hard to use

When it comes to the difficulty of the attacks I'm not trying to go overboard like most fan animation or fan games do with their boss fight, instead I'm trying to keep it somewhat consistent with the general difficulty of Undertale but slightly harder because it's a genocide fight, additionally, whenever I get hit in this video it is me legitimately getting hit and I'm not really bad at Undertale fights plus you have to fight Sans right after this so I can't have him burn all your healing items. As for his health it's unchanged from what it is in the game files, however, if you use the Empty Gun against him and get perfect hits every time you can kill him in 8 turns (I just find it hard to use), which is faster than the standard Undyne the Undyning battle in which if you get perfect hits against her than the fastest you can kill her is 12 turns. When it comes to dialog, I'm not a writer and anything I could come up with just felt too goofy to me, didn't match the tone of Genocide or didn't match Mettaton, so I elected to keep him silent, just like Undyne the Undyning is. Besides I personally like it better this way as to me it gives the impression that he's taking the fight seriously. On to damage, the reason it's so low is because I'm level 18 if you drop down in level his attacks to more damage because I reworked Undertale's armour/ defence system for the player so that you take less damage the higher the level you are (monster also do more damage to somewhat compensate), for example a simple drop from level 18 to level 17 increases the amount of damage you take from a standard attack of Mettaton Neos from roughly 9hp to roughly 14hp. I think I might keep the damage you take from Mettaton Neo at level 18 about what it is as a reward for people who managed to reach it before fighting him.

@@tigertank1819 ok i still think the attack patterns should be buffed a bit but thanks for responding

@@DOOMHYDRA9999 I think it’s fine and fair

Wanna see harder fight? Go see undertale ddd metatton neo lol. True touhou lunatic difficulty. But it's just an animation though

Just taking a break

This is meant to be somewhat balanced, since you have to fight Sans directly after this fight, I didn't want him to be too hard.

I just like to imagine that the Human just does what Kris does and forces their soul mode to change to fire back.

Don't worry in this mod if you grind smart enough it can be. PS. level 17 is pretty easy to reach in this mod

@@tigertank1819 ah ok

I'm not a writer and anything I could come up with just felt too goofy to me, didn't match the tone of Genocide or didn't match Mettaton, so I elected to keep him silent, just like Undyne the Undyning is. Besides I personally like it better this way as to me it gives the impression that he's taking the fight seriously.

Maybe he could just have ellipsis for dialog. "..."

@@tigertank1819 it cant be that bad, can we see?

@@tigertank1819maybe use the dialog from the animation of mettaton neo fight

Yeah, i felt something missing in these attacks. More variety and blaster here and there attacks should do the work.

Thanks, I haven't been able to work on it lately, but, I hope to implement the rewind attacks and refine some others a bit.

Sorry if it was a bit much, I played Undertale so many times that the Geno bosses (even Sans) started to get a bit easy to me, so along with Mettaton Neo I also buffed everyone else a bit (and Undyne alot).

Great work btw 😊 Are you planning to finish this mod or you will leave it as it its?

I CANT HEAR MY OWN THEME

You mean the same instrument

the song was made long before deltarune chapter 2 came out, it ain't in there homie

Fun fact, in the game file Vulkins attacks are actually used as the default attacks for this battle, but they never play because the game is coded to skip his turns.

If your talking about the weapon I'm using in the video, it's not the Burned Pan but the Empty Gun.

@@tigertank1819 oh I'm dumb lmao

I personally like to think the Human is just firing determination bullets out of the Gun, besides Kris kind of just pulled it out of nowhere in Deltarune so I see no reason why that can't be the case here.

But undyne would be dead

Hey buddy. Not every fangame has to follow the plot of undertale. This is like saying rejuvination doesn't work because papyrus would be dead. Also this post is 6 months old.

Yeah, Neo should get an all-out last attack, since he knows he is going to die, anyway.

It's kind of hard to explain, if you want to use a pre-existing attack you can usually find them somewhere within the code for whatever character uses them _step script or somewhere in their battle scripts, the attacks you find will normally have additional code with them that determines how they spawn, the number of them spawning, their patterns, spawn rate, what direction their moving, etc. This is what I did for a lot of the attacks I used for this mod, I took a bunch of pre-existing attacks and modified them to make my own attack patterns, in the case of stuff like the Mettaton Neo legs and Neo blasters, I would recommend looking up tutorials online, or asking on redit or somehere similar, but, what I personally did was copy a bunch of scripts for gaster blasters and Undynes spears, modify and rename them to work with Mettaton Neo and replace the pre-existing sprites for them with custom ones edited. As for getting them to work in Mettaton Neos fight, it's been a while since I did it but I'm pretty sure you have to change Mettaton Neos Mercy modifier to a different number to make the game not skip his turn (I used the number from Undyne the Undyings battle) and then change the damage system so that he doesn't take a guarantied million damage from an attack (I used code from Udynes battle again here) and then change how he reacts to taking damage so that he doesn't die until his HP runs out (his normal scripts just say that if he's attacked he dies regardless of how much HP he has). Once you've done that he should work like an normal fight, and will be using Vulkins attacks, since those are Neos defaults, now it's important that you don't delete these attacks as, doing so will break the fight. If you want to add new attacks to the fight then all of them must be build including one of these attacks as part of them, you can see this in my earlier parts I used to just turn down their fire rate to make them only play once during the other attacks but I later learned you can just code it to so that the entire script is just one on these attacks that deletes it's self before spawning and then you can build the rest of the attacks on top of it. I would recommend adding code to the attack that creates a turn order that increases by 1 every turn and then creating a different attack for each number, you can then write code to loop the set the order back to a specific number once it reaches whatever number is the last attack you have so that it repeats. Personally for me I learned a lot of this stuff through reading through the pre-existing code to try to get an understanding of what it did, trial and error, and asking people of redit when I couldn't figure something out, but, I hope this helps even a little bit.

@@tigertank1819But where can I find those scripts for the attacks in the battle? Also I wanna know how to put Undyne the Undying's code to not instakill him

@@Francesco_Casola If your starting the Undertale mod tools for then press File - Open and then click on the data.win to open Undertales files (if the directory isn't set in the the mod tools automatically then it should be located at here C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Undertale if not you'll have to locate it on your own) Then click on Code. If you want to find Mettaton battle related files type Mettatonb or Mettatonex or Neo into the search bar. If you want to find Undyne battle related files than its Undyneb and Undyne_ex (for Undyne the Undying) The code that defines how they respond to taking damage should be in their _Step_0 files near the top (this is also the file that either defines the attack patterns or calls other files that do) and the code that defines how much damage they take is located in their _Alarm_3 files.

@@tigertank1819 Should I copy n paste Undyne's Step_0 and Alarm_3?

@@Francesco_Casola Not all of it just some of the code from them, read through the code from Mettaton Neos Step_0 and Alarm_3 and Undynes so you can find out what the code does and which lines to replace.

I'm not a writer and anything I could come up with just felt too goofy to me, didn't match the tone of Genocide or didn't match Mettaton, so I elected to keep him silent, just like Undyne the Undyning is. Besides I personally like it better this way as to me it gives the impression that he's taking the fight seriously.

@@tigertank1819 i see . Youve got a good point there buddy . Hope your project turns out well in the future.

I don't really have the motivation to work on this at the moment, but I am considering it.

aside from the attack at 1:00, the others look like hard enough to me

@@abarette_ comparing to sans or undyne the undying battle it doesnt look hard

​@@teriothehWell it cant be as hard as either of them since this is right before sans wouldn't be very fair if you burned through all your items fighting Mettaton