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Tutorial about synchronization of hydraulic cylinders without regulation and without proportional valve.
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@1960boni
@1960boni Год назад
This is done by someone who does not understand volumetric flow rate as well as the difference between 2 ends of the cylinders.
@Saidi-zd3ot
@Saidi-zd3ot 6 месяцев назад
How to refill the two related chambers by the oil ?
@tomcallan6099
@tomcallan6099 Год назад
Does the Volume above the cylinder need to be equal to the volume below the second cylinder?
@nikhilbongale1195
@nikhilbongale1195 3 месяца назад
Since the area on the return side is shorter than the area on the forward side then : 1. Will the oil in the return side of cylinder 1 be sufficient for forward side of cylinders 2.
@reidogarimpo1691
@reidogarimpo1691 2 года назад
Muito bom
@luckydog7807
@luckydog7807 Год назад
Good evening! Could you tell us which hydraulic circuit is used for the parallel level mechanism in a norcar and a cast miniloaders?
Год назад
Hello. For the applications you mentioned, synchronous cylinders may not be the best option because of the different diameters and forces. I would recommend using a flow divider connected to two equal cylinders. For further questions you could also contact us at www.atphydraulik.ch/en/contact/. Have a good day.
@user-cm2bx1rt2j
@user-cm2bx1rt2j Год назад
Whether the pressure of the rodless cavity of the first cylinder is maximum. If the pressure of each piston rod is F, the area of the rodless cavity of the piston is S. Then the pressure of the first rodless cavity is p=nF/s, and n is how many cylinders. Is that right? Thank you
6 месяцев назад
The highest pressure occurs on the rod side of the last cylinder in the line. In a cylinder, the pressure (N/mm 2) is spread across the surface of the piston. On the rod side however, the N is spread across fewer mm 2, which results in higher pressure. This now can be repeated in each cylinder in the line, starting calculation with the resulting pressure of the last cylinder. The Formula for this event is: p1*A2/A1=p2 (Or in general; p1/p2 = A2/A1) For the next cylinder, p2 becomes the new p1. This is repeated for each cylinder in the line.
@lorinjones9082
@lorinjones9082 6 месяцев назад
I don't understand how the second cylinder can travel as far as the first one since it has less oil to do it with. I have a Hydrabed feed truck with just this set up and it has always worked well and stayed in sync, until now, the first one runs and the second one lags as you would expect. How do I get both to function fully? Do I need to add more oil to the middle section?
6 месяцев назад
The second cylinder has a smaller diameter than the first one, so that less oil is needed for the same stroke length. Before adding more oil, you should check all sealings in both cylinders, the fittings and the hoses. For this you have to drain the oil anyway and fill it back up after, but you can make sure that every potential leakage is eliminated. Then, check if there is another mechanical part blocking the movement of the second cylinder. If it still doesn’t work, you should consider bringing your vehicle to a specialist for further inspection
@narendranarayansaha2646
@narendranarayansaha2646 4 месяца назад
I cannot understand one aspect of this, i.e. how to compensate the reduced oil flow from the first cylinder to the subsequent cylinders. Since we all know that quantity of oil exiting the outlet port of first cylinder is less than the quantity of oil entering the inlet of that cylinder, due to the piston rod's presence there. Hence, the oil flow to the second cylinder, and every subsequent cylinder will be progressively reduced. Please explain how do I compensate the oil flow, and synchronise all cylinders to work in tandem. I have three exact cylinders, but with varying loads. How do I get all three to move in a synchronised manner?
4 месяца назад
The second cylinder cannot be the same size as the first one for this to function. In the hand drawn schematic you can see, that one part of both cylinders is coloured yellow, as well as the formula AR1 = AP2. This is meant to symbolize the same volume of the two chambers of the different cylinders. To solve your example problem: The easiest way would be to exchange the cylinders 2 & 3 to a size suited for cylinder 1, so a functioning synchronous cylinder system is created. You could also measure the stroke of each cylinder and have them digitally balanced. For a more detailed and specific answer, please contact our sales department sales@atphydraulik.ch and have your problem looked at with schematics and calculations.
@user-vz7jz6gp5y
@user-vz7jz6gp5y Год назад
Is this hydraulic circuit for synchronization applicable for telescopic cylinder double acting cylinder?
Год назад
That's quite an interesting question. Technically, it most likely would be possible. It will require some engineering work to get to a proper solution. If you are interested in an offer for a system solution or if you would like to purchase such a cylinder, you are welcome to contact our engineers.
@mahdishahmohammadi6769
@mahdishahmohammadi6769 2 года назад
hi. How dose the fluid(oil) pass through the piston of cylinder 1 and get to cylinder 2?
2 года назад
Both Cylinders have integrated hydraulic components, which allow the oil to get in the not directly connected section. Kind Regards, Engineering Team of ATP Hydraulik
@davidreid447
@davidreid447 Год назад
Mahdi, I'm looking into the same idea with bottle jacks here in the states. I'll be dripping and tapping into the casting. Or possibly using a preexisting port on the hydraulic cylinder.
@user-cm2bx1rt2j
@user-cm2bx1rt2j Год назад
From the rodless cavity into 4 units of liquid, that from the rod cavity should be 3 units of liquid, 3 units of liquid into the second hydraulic cylinder rodless cavity that the piston should move 3/4 units ah, how to synchronize. I don't understand a little. Thank you
6 месяцев назад
You are right, the amount of oil sent to the second cylinder is not the same amount as sent to the first cylinder. To achieve synchronization, the second cylinder has to be smaller than the first one. The Piston side volume of the second cylinder should equal the rod side volume of the first cylinder.
@prasantasasmal6542
@prasantasasmal6542 7 месяцев назад
If both the cylinders are not operating the same speed then what will be the main cause?
7 месяцев назад
The Cylinders are operating at the same speed, but not with the same force. Fluids are almost incompressible which means that for every millimeter cylinder Nr 1 moves, cylinder Nr 2 moves aswell.
@firefly-Service
@firefly-Service 5 месяцев назад
can you help me boss i have 2 cylinder i want same time dose it work How to connect parallel or series please help me 🙏
@aligarmabi2912
@aligarmabi2912 Месяц назад
he cant help you he is wrong person
@firozk2993
@firozk2993 Год назад
how it is possible, fluid capacity is different in both cylinder. Cylinder bore having huge capacity whereas it is in retract position we have reduce rod area to calculate fluid capacity.
@ganmech89
@ganmech89 Год назад
At this condition both rod and piston volume should be same otherwise there will be difference in position and speed.
@atrikagautam2352
@atrikagautam2352 7 месяцев назад
How the hyd oil will fill in all 4 chambers
7 месяцев назад
Valves inside the cylinder allow the oil to pass from the piston side to the rod side of the first cylinder. From there, the oil can pass further into the second cylinder, where the same principle is applied. With this technique, all four chambers are being filled up before operating.
@ansgaryeysymontt7155
@ansgaryeysymontt7155 Год назад
How this system is bleeded?
Год назад
The air is bleeded through two separate bleeding screws on each cylinder, preferably directly on the opposite site of the hydraulic connections. Basically, the air collects at the highest point. The cylinder can only be vented if the bleeding screw is also at the highest point. 😉
@sulissetiawan1287
@sulissetiawan1287 Год назад
Apa P di Nr 1 sama dengan P di Nr 2. Kalau menurut saya, P Nr 1 besarnya 2x P di Nr 2. Mohon penjelasannya..
Год назад
P1 is different from P2. Important is, that P2 has the same volume as R1, which is P1 minus the volume of the piston rod. There are no rules about the volumes of P1 and P2, except that P2 is smaller than P1. P1 can be 2xP2, but in most cases it varies. I wish you a good day.
@Bednar121
@Bednar121 2 года назад
I wonder, would this function like this under different loads on each of the cylinders? Because something tells me, that it might not stay perfectly in synchronization. Ich denke, soll das wieder funkzionieren unter anderes Belastung fur jeder Zylinder? Weil mir etwas sagt, dass es möglicherweise nicht perfekt synchron bleibt. (Entschuldigung fur meine schleches Deutsch, es ist nicht meine Muttersprache, also meine Tastatur hast keine Umlaute)
2 года назад
Generally hydraulic oils are labeled almost incompressible (0.5% per 100 bar). Although everything is slightly compressible, therefore we use internal valves to provide perfect synchronisation, even with various loads.
@forgeworxblacksmith6453
@forgeworxblacksmith6453 Год назад
I'm untrained and even i can see that cylinder 2 will lag cylinder 1 because of the volumetric difference caused by the cylinder rod
@user-vo8kt6lh8l
@user-vo8kt6lh8l 2 года назад
the second cyl will be acting at a lower pressure thant the first one.
2 года назад
Hi Sandra The operating pressure of the second cylinder can vary from almost no pressure (minimal force required to move the piston and the rod) to the maximum pressure provided by the first cylinder, which is then multiplied with the transmission ratio from cylinder 1. This depends on how the weight is distributed. So, if 100% of the weight is located on the second cylinder, the pressure is actually larger than at the first cylinder. I hope my answer was helpful! ATP Hydraulik, Raphael
@deepanhydraulics
@deepanhydraulics 2 года назад
but how come both volume be equal
@kevinh3979
@kevinh3979 2 года назад
@ You've effectively demonstrated an intensifier. But as a synchronized cylinder setup I can't think of too many applications where this can be applied where synchro is necessary as it is tied in series and the bore diameters are different. It's a training video.
2 года назад
@Rajesh 6. The volume is equal because cylinder No. 1 is pushing cylinder No. 2 from its rod side. That means, that you cannot completly fill the cylinder tube on that side, because the piston rod blocks some of the available volume. The difference in diameters between the two cylinders is precicely calculated, so the volumes correspond accordingly. Kind Regards, Raphael
2 года назад
@Kevin H. Actually, there are many possibilities to use synchronous cylinders! But it’s up to the customers specification. Just one example: the smoother you want a double door to open, the closer you can get to the synchronisation by using double synchronous cylinders. Kind Regards, Raphael
@aligarmabi2912
@aligarmabi2912 Месяц назад
atp hdrolic how they let some people kidding sicnece and math
@mohammadgarmabi1751
@mohammadgarmabi1751 Год назад
i think it is wrong
@87elky383able
@87elky383able Год назад
Wrong
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