TWC Case Study || Tina: Extreme OCD Case 

Agreed. Everyone has become so comfortable either talking about how difficult a dog is but *never show a video or show a normal dog labeled as a “problem” dog ….

@@IvanBalabanov I am helping with a "rescue dog" which needed to be taken by car to the park because it was so terrified of traffic to walk on the city street. I tried slow approach and calm sitting with at a distance from the road, but anxiety was too much even at a one hundred yards distance. By luck I thought to get a prong collar and do crazy zig zag movements in every direction until the dog could only follow, not think, and I did that right up onto the road and there he walked on loose leash, nervously but he did it. Now if I let him he he pulls toward that road with tail up. Still though, any other loud noises like a cricket bat hitting the ball the other day as we walked, and he freaks out for a day and even refuses to look at me :). I give him no food until he decides to socialize, but man, it takes some thinking to break through these phobia problems!

Or...we don't force the dog into stressful situations to make a video. Because the dog's welfare overrides our ego.

@@Hayri2011 So you don't make a video showing how to overcome stressful situations because the dog is stressed in stressful situations. Have you thought of working for the government?

@@Hayri2011 so you do it behind closed doors right....then your incompetence can't be exposed

100% worked with a mali in a professional setting. She was a kennel spinner. Completely bat shit out of her mind. Some proper training and she is so much more relaxed and calm and you can see her think now. Not just aajjdjfkkdjsbsndndndnb!!!!!!! 24/7. No amount of cookies will do that. The difference real training and teaching and leadership makes.

Tbh. It’s not much. When dogs are like this it’s not what’s going through their mind it’s what isn’t. It’s just aaaaaaaaahhhjhjdjdjsbbsb! 24/7 it’s not calm intentional thinking it’s just doing anything and everything they want to try and get to a better place in their head but have no clue how. They’re basically insane. But because of real training we can tell them hey let me show you. And change their whole world. And it can happen very fast. Of course change can happen fast but it takes time to solidify that. Much like when a trainer takes the leash and says see. They can do it. Dog isn’t fixed. Yet. But it shows how fast proper leadership bring peace comfort and calmness to a dog that’s basically losing their damn mind. I’ve seen German shepherds paw at kennels till they bleed. It’s the same thing. It’s also what happens to humans in solitary confinement. We lose our damn minds because of under stimulation and many other things. Add the fact that dogs don’t understand our world they live in (because they’re domesticated and live in populated areas. Which is why you don’t see batshit crazy coyotes and wolves.) it’s very very interesting to see and deal with. Sad but also interesting. That’s why we do it.

@@lestoid thank you

Thank you. Hope you can help your dog

People can mistake. And there's a lot of mistakes in the internet. Filter the information - especially from the internet. This dog (and possibly your's) is anxious, extremely stressed and has gastritis (liking) out of stress. But doesn't meet any criteria of dog's compulsive disorder.

​​@@Mira7xzunless you can say you have achieved what this man has you have no right to speak because you're talking about the greatest trainer there is and you think that you know more than him? I'd say this is a little bit more than just some anxiety.

@@pittymama4500 Unless you can think critically instead of blindly believing the "greatest trainers", we have nothing to discuss. Believe as much as you want. Or you can look up applied ethology and veterinarian books and read the criteria yourself.

​@@pittymama4500 Unless you can think critically instead of blindly believing authorities we have nothing to discuss. You can believe as much as you like. And you're right, it's not just some anxiety. It's a lot of anxiety that probably will stay with this dog at some level forever. As I said, it seems to be a disease - gastritis (any disease should be diagnosed by veterinarian) and high level of stress (which could lead to gastritis). All this affects on dog's behaviour. I don't say I know more, I say that in this video this particular dog doesn't meet the criteria of dog's compulsive behaviour. Maybe the trainer meant something else by OCD, I don't know, he didn't answer me. But this is a questionable diagnosis and should also be confirmed by a veterinarian. And it seems to be this trainer is not one of them.

Can I ask what medication you put it on? Thank you.

I had a similar rescue experience- the dog was all over me all the time and had treat addiction he picked up from the rehab center literally! So sad!

Agreed!

Disagree. Dog with a severe neurological condition.

Agree 100%!! Thanks Ivan

We are in agreement here

I will say Susan is in a category all alone on her training and if she runs into something she has not had before she is good at assessing and figuring something out so she might be one that might eventually figure it out but it will take a long time. I don't say this about anybody else in that community but, I do like Susan's techniques for the piece of the pie that is positive, but not limiting myself to that.

It’s a lot of dogs lol this in a shelter unfortunately

I agree. I often wonder what happened

I fostered a dog like this. She was a bulldog mix so I was able to handle her. I question the quality of life when dogs live this way. What I loved seeing was how calm Ivan stayed💞

@@RealMeatyBalls so truth

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@@IvanBalabanov I AM 😃

Yes she actually does take good long naps It’s an amazing case. More to come

​​@@IvanBalabanovnything more in Tina? Shes def a neurotic dog. I had a dog like this back in the 2000's. He was with me for 13 years. He was crazy, but i loved him so much.

@@mollasima3251 this it what Tina now ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PZvXSxpVoP8.html

Thankbyou

I know :)

I’ve never given up on a dog & won’t give up on Baylee. She’s the smartest shepherd, & only working line, I’ve had. She’s also a rescue from a puppy mill breeder. Her mom’s paper's are in Romanian .. Sire was AKC. She wants to work all the time. I’m learning, everything I thought I already knew from her .. Every doorway, everyday, is a training opportunity. She loves people, but is super reactive to other dogs , tho we do controlled “pack walks”. I wish I wasn’t 69 & disabled, but I’m not giving up. My last black GSD, Buddy, I trained as my service dog. He went on airplanes, inside the plane with me. She wants to be a K9…. & I probably would have found a job with LE for her were it not for her epilepsy & dog reactiveness. She’s my best friend & companion. I raised my own 2 kids with those previous 4 German Shepherds, while my 3 yo granddaughter has only given this one treats in her kennel, at this point. I’m pretty sure they’ll be best friends at some point in the future tho. Thanks for showing the CHALLENGES that are sometimes SO DIFFICULT. If she lives to be 14, I’ll be 80. Hoping & praying I’ll be able to care for her her whole life. She has awful separation anxiety, as my other dog with epilepsy did, as well. Escape artists extraordinaire! Following & grateful for all you share.

Absolutely!

What?? I am trying to decipher your comment . Can you rewrite your comment so that it may be understood?

Caused by vaccine?

BioPsychoSocial. Could be a mix of biology, psychology, and social conditioning. You never really unless you look into the genetics and familial history, the psychological influences, as well as the social influences when it comes to mental illness/disorders in any animal. As someone who deals with OCD tendencies due to mental illness, my heart goes out to the poor pup.

Coming soon. She has become very cool dog

Hi Ivan my hat is off to you I watched the second video of you working Tina unbelievable!!!!😊🐶

They are shared with the TWC Certified Trainers in the TWC Academy.

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Genetics for sure

@@DeeJayResist You know it appears to be genetic but this can actually be taught also with lack of stimulation and exercise if the dog was in a crate its whole life and if it’s a working dog that needs to work this could just drive that dog crazy so I guess unless we really know the store this dog we could say it’s genetic until we know that it could not be that’s all I had to say

@@DeeJayResist Hoping to hear back from Ivan with the story of this dog or possibly the owner could chime in

In more cases than not dogs like Tina didn’t experience abuse of any kind, not even with Laserpointer games. What drives these dogs crazy (besides the genetic component which ist most likely adding to the overall behavior issues) is NO communication at all. NO rules, NO borders, NO interaction. And - in case of a thoroughbred working dog like this: NO job. NO life purpose. Who knows - perhaps she should be “ just a nice pet”?

@@Kaderlid13 I’ve seen many dogs with OCD from laser pointers, this dog has all the signs. People who don’t know better use them on high energy dogs quite often. Of course there is a genetic component as well as a lack of structure contributing to the behavior, but when it’s this extreme, it’s pretty much always because of a laser pointer or similar.

@@dognerd7385 well I kind of agree with you and for sure could drive a High drive Dog crazy like that but I also have a dog like that and never used a laser on him

he wanted to see the genesis of the ocd before putting a plan together. He was observing the true nature without corrections. I would like to see the finished product from a learning point of view.

It seems Ivan truly has the best interest of the dog in mind . PO FF training attempts with this dogs would be hilarious to watch if it weren't for the fact that it would be completely ineffective and would not serve the best interest of this dog or any other dog or human. Ivan is world class.

You think a harness deters pulling? Ask suggest you ask a sled dog.

not sure what exactly you're asking

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

check out the latest video update on tina

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We did save this one 🥂 she is not the dog you see in this video anymore

I hear what you’re saying but again if the dog was born in a crate and it lived in a crate it’s gonna take a long long long time for this behavior to leave her body not just one or two training sessions but again I hear what you’re saying we’ll see what happens hopefully Ivan will chime in on this and let us know what happens with her but again whether it’s genetic or learn through lack of it’s gonna take a long long time and possibly not be fixed

Maybe the owners love her very dearly and wants to try their best to help her even if she’s not a stable pet even 50% would be a great plus for this dog i’m not a fan of pharmaceuticals but possibly for a little while with this dog could help her It also could be something worse like a tumor that’s why I asked if the dog had all kinds of bloodwork and x-rays to make sure the dog is healthy but I guess this is the last I’m going to chime in on this and wait for Ivan to come in and tell us a little bit more about this dog I feel bad for her because I do have Border Collie’s and they could be very obsessive and crazy also

@@watchmoivies123 - It says at the beginning that she was scheduled to be EU’d by the shelter. And I should have clarified in my opinion that I consider there to be a huge difference between working on very difficult behaviors in an owned dog versus a homeless dog.

Oh this was so good and I also have Border Collie‘s and I have one very similar to Tina and I would never let him go. He’s my dog and I could never put him to sleep. I also could try some sedatives, but I’m trying not to at this time. Thank you very much for standing up for the dogs. I kind of actually blame the breeders

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