@@ClydeDrexlerBooyaka i wouldnt call new magic wand a pop song. igor is kinda multiple genres it cant be defined as a single thing. but he raps over the beats most of the time so i can see why its a rap album
@@harrywatson2694 new magic wand is mostly a pop song. You don't actually get rap bars until the 4th verse. You're misunderstanding the music in the exact way that upset the mans
@@ClydeDrexlerBooyakaI love tyler, but he was reaching so damn hard in that interview . Him acting like Igor still doesn’t have tons of hip hop elements and can’t be considered an experimental hip hop album is straight up delusional. Then when the grammys can’t read his mind on how he wants his music to be categorized he just plays victim and chalks it up to racism. It’s so cringe.
@@curly_bill There's 1 clearly rap song, 3 rap/pop songs, and 7 clearly pop songs on the album. Rap Songs: What's Good Rap/Pop: New Magic Wand, A Boy Is a Gun, Puppet Obviously Pop Songs: Gone Gone/Thank You, I Don't Love You Anymore, Are We Still Friends? Igor's Theme, Earfquake (Carti feature does not make it a rap song, otherwise Madonna is also making rap music by that standard), I Think, Running Out Of Time You can argue maybe the first 4 songs I listed. The bulk of the album is clearly pop. Maybe you mostly liked the rap songs and that's what ended up on your playlist, but the reality is at least 70-80% of the album was straight pop with no rap verses.
The grammys is all about black people. It's like Rock music and its sub genres don't even get a mention. And as you know black people shun rock music for whatever reason. "Do you like rock music?" "He'll no, my skin colour doesn't allow me to listen to that"
@@Gandhi_Physique they don't mean it in that sense. racists use "urban" to mean black because their populations are typically concentrated in inner cities (which is lowkey another racist euphemism). another unrelated example is when they use "international bankers", racists are specifically talking about jewish people, but you wouldn't know unless you're in on it.
First off, i agree that the Grammy’s push black artists into a genre corner. BUT he does rap on I think Running out of time New magic wand A boy is a gun Puppet Whats good AND I dont love you anymore. This is a rap album even if it doesn’t use traditional hip hop instrumentation
@@paterickbrennanpop songs are allowed to rap, but mostly of the rest of this song is hella pop, the only songs that are more rap, is new magic wand and the most rap song is whats good
when this video was making the rounds, I was still working at Wal-Mart, where they STILL have an "urban" category on their CD labels. I'm white, but when he said that "Urban is just a PC way to say the n-word," I was like, "EXACTLY!" even the term "rnb" has some sort of gross connotations to it. they'd do anything to avoid giving the award of best album to a black person.
k-pop stands for korean popular, not korean pop. the terms pop and popular are not interchangeable. i understand why some people would think all korean music is being classified as pop music, but k-pop just means popular korean music.
I mean, sure, he present it in a different way than most, but at the end of the day what Tyler does is sing over beats that have pretty much all the elements of hiphop/rap beats. He applies that stigma to himself by being too afraid to do something too outside of the box musically. You want to make pop, stop making rap beats and start making pop beats, simple as that. I mean, rap/hiphop is "popular music", and I get how it could be seen as racist to separate the two, but its really a slippery slope. You start calling rap/hiphop pop and then it will be less of a thing that centers around black culture, and I think with all the shit white people act like they own in the world, it might be nice to keep the designations separated for the sake of the cultural integrity of the art form.
@@JAKIE325 I'll give it to you that four out of the twelve tracks on the album seem to draw from influences outside of hip-hop/neo-soul/R&B, but they still have either a boom-bap rap beat, a fat 808 style bass, neo-soul chords, or other elements that take it back to those influences. The other eight songs on the album feature at least one rap verse done over standard modern neo-soul infused hip-hop grooves. I could see how people who think Tyler, The Creator is the pinnacle of experimentation when it comes to black people wanting to branch out from just the world of hip-hop/rap/neo-soul/R&B, but there are plenty of people doing a lot more to bring black people out of being stone walled into those categories. My sure to be unpopular opinion is that a lot of black people ego identify with the color of their skin to the point where they nullify all attempts that members of the black community make to break free from these musical stereotypes. If their music lack any of the influences listed above, they are deemed "white sounding" and ostracized by a majority of their black listeners. So if Tyler, The Creator wants to make non-rap/non-R&B/non-neo-soul music, all he has to do is strip those influences from his sound, but he'll probably end up alienating his fan base in doing so.
@@krnflksI don't necessarily know if I agree with what you're saying, but it is nice to hear an opinion like this that seems like it's actually coming from a place of good faith.
Aside from the fact that rap is not strictly black, as it is a meshing of world cultures, mainly European and African-American, and advancement, like many genres are. But obviously one group dominates the rap genre for the most part. Then again, I guess using existing things and creating something makes it "yours", so if my history is right, you would be right. Idk, I just don't like looking at things in that way. I look at things as cooperation, whether forced or not, from multiple parts of the world. Sorry for the slight tangent, but it just seems right to think of things as a culmination of culture and technology while also giving credit to the creator.
Don't be an ass. I bet you call your Christmas presents shit when you don't get what you want, asshole. You probably never been taught get what you get and don't throw a fit
