@@ForKhali He got cooked?? If anything this basement dweller reddit guy with no job, living with mommy and daddy using their money for college, was definitely the one getting cooked for being a loser irl
@@duc2133 He didn't even show the play, he spent 5 minutes talking about OTP and not showing the clip even though Tyler asked 10x. And he talked about outpeaking when this guy told him he doesn't know what he's talking about. 5 role challenger btw.
nah this guy lost it when he said illaoi was a considered a bruiser. Bro was hard reaching. He even snickered "exactly" like urgot was a top tier champ.
You missed the point, he meant he's playing easy champs that stat check. I like tyler but it's true, skill wise hes not in the top 20 of streamers lol.
@@ReallyGnashty626 It does not matter, those "unskilled stat check champs" have been, as Tyler said, C tier. Urgot is irrelevant and Cho gath is complete garbage, and by the way, Fiora, has been at least tier 2 if not 1 for the last 5 years and beats those "unskilled stat check" champs with ease I fucking hate Fiora lol
Exactly what I thought. What is he going to do? Q and E? Fiora Parries that np and will literally proc 3 vitals in that stun time frame. You do not fight Fiora early unless you’re Kled and even then thats a skill matchup
@@yoihks3239 just buffer it my guy or dash out of it if you’re that scared. We’re talking top grade, most skilled otp’s. Jax would need to fully commit and even then its MAYBE a 50/50
@@zachtemoro2116 im saying it as a jax player. You can just let E run the full duration of her parry then stun her after. and you only E when she Q's in. So she can never Q in. thats why its a counter
@@zachtemoro2116 The fiora player has to be 3x better to win the matchup. Its especially a fiora counter at lower elos cause the fiora has to play perfectly
I’m sorry ya’ll. Who ever is trying to defend this Fiora, they need help. Fiora is literally pulling random stuff to try and just one up T1. The argument was about the play. When the Fio said “You wouldn’t know because…” it was all over. Also with Fio vs Jax is a skill match up. He kept losing these one ups and attacks his real life statuses. If you go there… you a str8 big narcissist.
This seems like what happened. This guy 'one upping' witb random stuff, probably sitting there with a smug whilst losing every one up. He probably has this narcistic view of being 'way smarter' because of his math degree, invalidating opinions of others because they are not on his level.
Tyler was toxic af for flexing with his irl success and challenger achievements for every role, but the Fiora was defiently the catalyst. He was oozing arrogance the entire time, making factually nonsensical takes on classes, and trying to tell a clearly better player why exactly is he a loser 💀 He is probably the kind of guy who easily gets his ego hurt when getting into an argument and keeps going on with a smug grin without any self-criticism. Thats unsure though, he could have been tilted the same as Tyler, I just don't think so
@@jakeh2528 you can end E early with a second cast after a short delay, don't have to let it last the full duration. fiora w lasts 0.75 seconds jax e has a 1 second window where it can be ended early (2 second duration, 1 second delay on second cast) so if you know the matchup properly you can bait out w by qing onto fiora early instead of when youd instantly cast and then force the cast once the w ends, if she adapts to this and starts holding w then you can shake up the timing etc etc its literally skill matchup basically
guy has a point tho, tyler does throw games all the time and trolls. Sure he can do insane when he trys but he normally isisnt trying and doesnt give af
Tyler really does default to "you're a loser and I'm a famous millionare streamer" too often for my liking. I know he plays a persona often (and irl he's a good guy) but this really felt personal from his part and not a bit. Then again he's been streaming 12+ hours a day for the past month, 400 games stuck in the same elo. Truly built different.
@@Klon337 Dude you are another random on the internet too. who cares if tyler1 is famous the kid was defending his case properly not trying to flex his wealth on nobody. thats some real loser shit.
@@adlos1270 Yeah. To be clear the Fiora guy also seemed like a bit of a jackass. Should have just stuck to talking about the actual play in question that started the toxicity to begin with, which Tyler actually agreed he threw, instead of just trying to one up each other in a dick measuring contest for 5 minutes without showing the play.
Bcs sadly its quite a useless bachelor's when you could have gone for engineering, CS, statistics, physics, etc. Math is cool but it certainly would not get you anywhere unless you do postgraduate studies or you are a fucking field medal candidate.
it's funny how people keep mentioning how many games T1 plays each time he makes one of those arguments, the dude is a streamer, and on an average day of his stream, he plays around 15 games! 400 games are just an average of 3 weeks!
Exactly. For him it’s a job, for the losers than end up in his games it isn’t and they’ll still invest as much time 😂. That’s where the difference lies
@@aR0ttenBANANA You guys defend t1 so hard even if he's shitting in your mama's mouth lol. Every time tyler looks like an idiot or loses an argument he starts talking about being popular and being challenger all roles even when in that specific scenario he's wrong. You guys do realize there are people out there who may not be popular but are just as intelligent and successful and play league for fun? In fact its more cringe to talk about your league accomplishments when its literally your job and other people are just as good at it as a side hobby. Maybe they aren't as popular and can't stream but they're just as good lol.
@@duc2133for real, also the guy seemed way more grounded and well-mannered in terms of trying to make a point. His point was valid and wasn‘t even that outrageous in terms of where it came from. Reality being, people can praise T1 all they want and I still find him very likeable, but spending a good 40 % + of your lifetime in front of a screen playing this game and letting it enslave you as a „job“, isn‘t something to really idolize, in my opinion. I still believe Tyler peaked as a variety streamer to this day.
@@duc2133 you're weird. In this particular case, the person in question was NOT even remotely close to him. The dude literally lied about his rank so how can that be anything but cringe according to your own logic? What argument are you even yapping about? If you think someone wasting as many hours as Tyler as a "hobby" is normal you need to get your shit checked. That's literally what the whole comment was about. It's not praise for Tyler but at least he's getting something out of it. The losers with 2000 games on ranked that AREN'T streamers/pros are inherently losers because there's no way you're spending that much time on a game and doing something productive IRL.
As a resident T1 fanboy, I did some investigative journalism on our Super Top here. Dude has never been Challenger. His peak was GM in Season 2023/S1 after over 500 games that split alone and he had previously been hardstuck D5/low Master. He's also getting 25+ LP per win and only losing 15 per loss, which is baby mode MMR for an account. He brags about his champ pool win rates but he feeds horrendously on anything that isn't Fiora. I assumed he was just mugging for the camera and playing part in a bit but I've encountered so many of these worthless one tricks in Master + elo. Players who hit GM or Master 100LP ONCE and suddenly think they're the best player in the world. Also "Math at University of Utah" nice degree my man. Enjoy paying off that student loan at Costco!
Do people not work while going to college anymore? 💀 What is up with people thinking every degree comes with a student loan at about 20k plus 😂 why would a mf that's living with their parents have student loan? most of the student loans are for housing aka mfs that live on campus or on their own
@@emperorborgpalpatine i think he means every champs has classifications like sion is a tank, but more specifically, hes a juggernaut, or lulu being an enchanter/mage. yone is indeed classified as a duelist, not really a bruiser, so the guy has a point, tyler plays urgot a jugg/bruiser illaoi jugg/bruiser cho jugg /ap bruiser.
@@emperorborgpalpatine He said "every character I just listed" to Tyler's question on what are bruisers. He confused bruiser and skirmisher together, but then again bruisers aren't even a class. They are more of a synonym for the fighter class
Im going to be pretty blunt here. More than 90% of college degrees are giga-useless, ESPECIALLY math. Only high-demand majors such as Engineering or Pre-health majors have a good future. I majored in Neuroscience in Pre-Med and now am attending Medical School. People like Tyler1 are less than 1 percent of the population, so earning more than him is a nightmare. That Fiora player showed his true colors by trying to talk.
People who think getting a degree means youre better than someone are too funny. Lots of people make more money without a degree and without going into debt.
On average people with degrees are more intelligent than those without and also make more money than those without. Furthermore the jobs that people with degrees do are generally viewed as more desirable than high paying non-degree requring jobs such as working on an oil rig. The reality is that the average person with a stem degree is ”better” than the average person without a degree.
Yeah nobody should think they are better then others because they have a degree. But on average they are much more likely to have higher earnings. According to data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, in 2020, workers with a bachelor's degree had median weekly earnings of $1,305, compared to $746 for those with only a high school diploma. Workers with a master's degree or higher had even higher median weekly earnings of $1,545.
the guy started making it personal by calling him a loser for playing lol 16h a day. Thats like the dumbest thing to say vs the biggest lol streamer. Of course Tyler1 will clap back saying he is the biggest lol streamer making tons of money by playing the game
I'm pretty sure Tyler started it after realizing he was wrong and started talking about out peaking him. Then the guy obviously had to point out he plays 16 hours a a day and had 400 games while the dude played 80 something and had higher wr.
guys tyler starts going off because this guy starts trying to randomly insult tyler outside the game, he never even showed where tyler griefed in game he's just trying to sit there and ego tyler1, the other weirdo was surely not trying to banter or be cool he absolutely deserved to be told that he's a nobody lol
Tyler getting paid to play all day long, then he's making fun of people playing it as a hobby for no doubt outpeaking them. 😂 But at the end of the day it is the Fiora player that wanted this attention, Tyler just honored this player's wish.
@@yungslack7311 Don't think you understood what I wrote. Probably an angry Fiora main typing before evaluating what he is malding over. Maybe you need reading glasses. 🤓
I don't even think he wanted attention, he was just that narcissistic lmao Someone in the comments actually looked him up, and as it turns out he is solely a Fiora OTP who never even reached challenger. He was lying his ass off trying to salvage his shattered ego. I mean he could be like this just in LoL, but then again he mains Fiora
ego players are so cringe. dude constantly jerks himself off for playing the "le mechanical" champs. truthfully these champs are always the most overtuned and have the most tools to win a game. you're not special or especially good at the game for picking the fi/yone/cam if almost every high elo top laner is doing the same with moderate success. no matter what champ you pick you are simply good if you win the game. if you keep losing you are bad. its so simple.
@@shgalagalaa There are no high elo Garen mains, so he's playing in hard mode if the is really trying to climb with Garen. Your attempt to insult him didn't work, maybe try again.
@@JosephAlnasl 1. Gabungking hits kr chall every single season otping garen. 2. Climbing to top 5% of the playerbase on garen is infinitely easier than on a champion that actually requires hands. Its okay to play champs that were made for dad gamers. Just embrace the fact that you are not mechanically talented and enjoy the game rather than trying to cope your champion is skillful
@@shgalagalaa Wow you found one guy that managed to do it... Compared to hundreds of other players who climb playing the "skilled champions". It's obviously harder to climb with an outdated champ kit like garen compared to the most overturned champs that people climb with, like fiora. Just look at the statistics instead of using that delusional cope of yours. The "champions that require hands" are played way more and way have better winrate in high elo compared to Garen and somehow you think it's harder to climb to high elo with them. It's okay to play overtuned designed champs that were made for people to climb easier to high elo. Just embrace the fact that you are not mechanically talented and enjoy the game rather than trying to cope your champ is skillful. Most people climb using those champs after all, there's nothing special about it.
@@JosephAlnasl So we are just quickly pivoting from there are none to ”ok there is one” if i provide more your next step is ”ok there are some”? Also I never made the argument that climbing to high elo (as in literally challenger) is easier on garen than more mechanically complex champions. I made the claim that gettin to the top 5% is easier on garen, past this point the advantages mechanical champs have become overwhelming, not only can you have perfect macro on say riven but the champion also has a high skill ceiling allowing for more flexibility. Somehow you managed to read that as ”garen is easiest champ to hit challenger with” then again you play garen so you probably arent the fastest learner and its understanbale you would completely fail to grasp the most basic of concepts.
@@JuckJuckersT1 tilts a lot of people. I've had him on my team several times and he just starts running it down at random when he gets upset. Anybody else would've been permabanned years ago for all the shit he's done.
@@acetropics4142 You are beta if you think that, must be your mechanism to safe yourself from the truth. Some People can just use their head, If I wanna know how an absolute disgrace to humanity sounds like, I send discord and have a laugh. Its not a big deal to send a link, is it? Maybe you are challenged by that, but most are capable doing it just as a reflex.
@@balhaddadinn Let me speak in a low IQ manner that you only know how speak: >"A champion that hinges on predictions". >Had 54% winrate in masters+ last patch... Yeah, i guess too many players are too good at "predictions". Mad cause dumb, pup?
@@balhaddadinn Let me speak in a low |Q manner that you only know how speak: >"A champion that hinges on perferct predictions". >Had 54% winrate in masters+ last patch... Yeah, i guess too many players are too good at "perfect predictions". Mad cause dumb, pup?
“I’m pretty sure I wasn’t egoing, I’m pretty sure I was just trolling. I don’t even remember what the play was. I’m pretty sure I was just actually griefing.”
U new here or something? Tyler been like this as a character for stream for so long. If u think its a bad looks its prolly cause ur one of the things t1 described while talking to that loser redditor😂
@bannedagain-dt1oj I have touched GM few seasons ago but even if I didn't I'm allowed to criticize objectively. By you're logic we can't criticize our government cause all of us will never be where they're at ever. Can only punch down but not up?
I'd say this argument is completely tyler1 sided, because tbh the fiora got cooked the only thing he counters tyler1 with is the fact that he has a lot of games every season not reaching a high rank, fact is hes mostly entertainment first. when you think of tyler1 you dont think of a pro player practicing for worlds. you think of a loud man playing rage game. meanwhile the fiora himself confirms hes an unemployed math graduate from the university of utah without student debt (probably paid by his parents) living at his parents house. From the comments of other people he's also never reached challenger before meanwhile yapping on about tyler1 400 games 16 hours a day, and about the degree debate I'd say from my subjective view the value of a degree is proportionate to how well you could use it, thinking about everything that has to go into it. 4 years in unversity, cost, gas. meanwhile tyler1 withdrew to pursue streaming which probably made/will make more than anything whatever kind of degree Math Fiora will make.
Don't agree. The guy has more valid points. 1 being the juggernaut argument, while it's pretty bad on face value, i get what he means and he's definitely right. Tyler BESIDES draven, does not play mechanical champs, and when he does - gp for example, he performs HORRIBLY
@@eagle5818 he didnt have any valid points tho. The juggernaut point makes no sense. Illaoi is a bruiser/figher. The guy lied about hitting chally, that speaks for itself. One tricking fiora, a broken s tier champ, doesnt equate to being a good overall player. lmao calling a millionaire a loser bc they stream games for money is insane. By no standard at all is that remotely true, you would then have to apply that to other industries like professional athletes who play sports for money, ig they are losers 'by societal standards' 😂. You dont need a degree to be sucessful homie. Wealth is how success is mesaured. Grinding ranked while unemployed with parents and no wealth is what a loser is.
@@chrisprilloisebola Okay bro, a professional sports athelete is in the same category as a streamer sitting in front of a computer, i'm not gonna read further. Braindead.
The problem is a math degree won't make you a better person. This guy is probably very egotistical IRL, he even went to the point to straight up lie about his performance, because he couldn't accept criticism. I get it that its just in a game, but its exactly because of this reason for why I believe he's kinda an insecure narcissist IRL, and nobody can get along with those people :D
@@eagle5818 He literally said bruisers are skirmishers, it wasn't directly but its not that much different. Also, skirmishers are just straight up better for soloq most of the time, and again, this came from a Fiora OTP. As it turns out, he lied about his champ pool as well. Also, LoL is mostly a strategy game, being good at a champion or only playing "skill" champs doesn't mean anything. Pro players pick easy champs sometimes, its about consistency and game knowledge. Now, that is true skill :D
Tyler did him dirty, the whole conversation became a dick measuring contest when the Fiora player started bragging about knowing more than Tyler about a game he has been playing for ages (BTW the Fiora is not even a Challenger player) Tyler even kept trying to save the guy from embarrassing himself by telling him to run the clip and he didn't, guy had so much ego he thought he could shit talk tyler and he got clapped back, good riddance.
T1 is reformed... i don't think anyone can out shit talk T1 if he ever got serious enough to shit talk hes just entertaining 4 fun but old T1 shit that was a different man.
Hard tyler1 fanboy relax ITs fine if tyler can't play Fiora/Akali/Gwen/Camille to challenger level, he's still a good player ( you know champs you need a lot more skill than fucking illaoi) Getting grubs on Fiora 99% of the time means you can crush side lane even if Jax clears wave under turret. People that don't play splitpushers top lane will never understand
I'll say that Tyler 1 is not someone that is respected. Besides mainly financial reasons and that he's definitely a funny, successful streamer who's got great vibes when he's talking on stream, I don't really think I'd enjoy what does for living, more than going to study math. Honestly some ppl's actions in league are not normal.
hes literally having a normal conversation the entire time, you need to go outside and touch grass for real lmfao, is your perception on conversations so skewed you cant see this is a normal conversation
@@Supertoddy96 In what world does a grown man start a conversation with "sup bitch" and keep being heated during the whole argument while saying "im just better than you"? you are actually acoustic if you think T1 is talking to anybody like this.
Sadly i thought they can Argus about the ingame Situation and disguss the loss.but it was again only an Ego 1v1. Would Love to See more selfcritical content and the will to Argue politely
Man I love tyler but he went a bit overboard with his character when insulting the other guy, like it stopped being banter. However to have that discussion while being tilted as fuck is something that I couldn't do (if I want to still have a streaming carreer), he's truly built different.
I don't get these type of fans calling it a character, I mean I watch his videos. I see his genuine side like the Dallas meetup and timthetatman Fortnite event ie: when he's not playing league on stream. He seems respectable and down to earth but I seriously think league tilts him here as it does everyone tbh and it's not him acting like a character
99% of the time i'm noticing people lose the game to themselves. They die once "gg", then start raging and throwing the game. Yet every game where people stayed calm and just worried about themselves, we made a comeback. People are dumb. Just play the game, stfu and don't worry about your teammates, focus on what you're doing so they can to.
I’d argue not even a skill match up, Fiora Favored even if slightly. Only champ that’s maybe dead even with her is Kled, which is a real skill based matchup. Entirely depends the Kled being able to remount in an all in. Jax either never commits or full commits
@@zachtemoro2116 Can tell your elo based on what you just said, jax v fiora is a skill matchup and no kled does not go even vs fiora, it's fiora favoured the entire game, you literally get a free parry with Kled's Q/Ult. Jax can poke a lot vs fiora especially with 6, stack ult passive, jump in, AA-W-AA, go back and you won the trade so no you're not only "full commiting" or "never commiting" with him if you actually know what you're doing.
@@nkskrb7195 oh yeah what elo is that? Because what you're saying is that the fiora is gonna stand around letting Jax do all that (she can literal slow him btw, not sure sure you know) and allow him to go back to his minions.
@@Trollrijas tell me you haven’t played Kled without telling me. Assuming you’re not brain dead, Kled has 2 different ways for her W to stun him, his Q2 or his ult. The best part is though 1) Your Q2 is optional, you can just walk away and get the Q1 poke (and lets say she does hit her W bc you screwed up, your Q comes back WAY faster than her W does), and 2) His ult is a knowledge gap. Ulting her from a mile away is the worst thing you can do, so after a remount or when you’re right on top of her, you Ult. Its a skilled based match up where Kled needs to snowball early, bc if he Snowballs he absolutely 100% rolls Fiora. It makes way more sense than Jax who literally only has 0.25 seconds to “outplay” her with his E
talking shit to T1 rn like he isnt learning chess, setting pr's, dunkin on leauge casuals, and bout to have a kid. calls t1 a "loser" 😂,average reddit user
guy sent some truth bombs on tyler then tyler inta turned into the "I'm rich and famous you're poor and a nobody" once the fiora player started making too much sense for his liking. Its funny to watch that happening to someone else but I bet no one in here would like to hear that being said to you from some twitch streamer wannabe celebrity that has done nothing in life other than stream his game to the same audience for the last 10 years. the same way the fiora guy sees tyler as a loser for not getting an education or a "real job" tyler sees him as a loser for not being famous in the league community. Everyone is a loser and a winner depending on from what perspective and see and what you value
@@mahad4930 tyler literally started the call by mocking the dude for his voice, both went into that call with the full intention of throwing stones at each other.
I mean even tyler knew he said too much, i watched the rest of this stream after what happened and he was pretty, and i mean pretty, tame and lost all his toxicity. He knew he went too much on him
@@vojtechlukas3153 yeah I watched it live too and he was kinda shook for the rest of the stream, might even have reached out to the dude later to make things clear, who knows
I mean, the guy isn't wrong though. T1 quite literally ruins games for content and has created this spam ff culture that we have today. I really don't see how he was getting flamed at all actually.
Have you actually watched any T1 stream? The amount of games hes in that are more than ruined just cause hes in it is insane. But yeah every game tbh is winnable under a certain elo, being like challenger. Cause under challenger people are so flippant and will throw
Living with the parents thing is such an American insult thing. The corporates normalized that so that you become another tax heaven for them early on.
@@imtiazazad8128wrong if you still live with your parents you just haven’t fully grown up yet and there’s some things you can never understand until you live on your own
Guaranteed his parents completely paid for his tuition if he is already all paid. And he went for math... What a waste. They must be so proud of his unemployed ass. He also has zero idea what stat checking is.
This guy thinks he's more successful than tyler (a multi millionaire) because he went to college. What is success? Tyler has money, a wife, and a kid on the way
dude can just admit to intentionally griefing games and trying to lose on stream to 15k people. dude should be actually perma banned now with no chance of unban. devs are disgusting pigs.
@@GodofKillers121t1 is still successful, way more than the random, not just financially. He loves streaming and its a very chill job for the money you earn (if you compare it with other big jobs). Bought his own house with a home gym, has a long healthy relationship, lots of money by doing what he likes(entertaining people), soon gonna be a father. You cant tell the guy isnt overall successful.
