Type 99 China's New Tank Leaked, What Does it Tell Us? 

Please try to get a more balanced and nuanced insight into what's really happening and why in Ukraine. I'm a patriot too; but doesn't reality matter..? For example, was 2014 not a coup..? Do you think a civilian population should be attacked by their nation's military..? Since W Ukrainians were attacking E Ukrainians (NOT VICE VERSA).... - what exactly do you think WINNING looks like for W Ukraine..? As W Ukraine was attacking E Ukraine long before Russia got involved... what exactly do you think the goals of W Ukraine were..? (They don't look to be based on crimes, or any desire to use the political processes that "democratic nations" use). And their animus was directed not over making political agreements or anything, but just over literal hatred (dehumanization) of people who feel more culturally Russian: HOW is that not a recipe for genocide..?

@@trumanhw please.... use.... less..... dots........?

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Do a video on the latest light battle tank that will be entering production next year... How it fits to the U.S. fight doctrine etc...

Looks like a Old British Centurion Tank, perhaps the CCP are influenced by the Israeli Upgraded Centurion’s?

Don't forget the first leak of War Thunder... British guy leaking the armor values of the Challenger 2 to convince the devs that they were wrong in-game.

The joke goes even further then that, Australia decided to go with different subs completely, the spies must have been pissed when that happened

Now we just need the secret American super plane dlc leak

its frightening that I can't tell if this is true or a shitpost

@@Sabrowsky Nah its true. But I'm sitting here wondering if the DoD officers only watch _"ironically"_

DOD works for gaijin

I think they are Belarusian, if Belarus were not lead by an incompetent puppet I’d actually worry.

Because they'd leak their plans, too. The Leclerc and Challenger 2 both had classified schematics leaked on those forums.

Maybe they are. Who knows ;-)

War Thunder players have a Russian hacker button on their desks at all times

War Thunder players leaking classified documents to win an online argument moment

awful game but interesting player base

CIA: Good.. good...

@@FELTFELT factual statement

The CIA just doesn't post their findings on the internet. We've got no idea what the CIA knows. Hell, they only recently told us they knew Russia would invade Ukraine before it happened.

New theory

The irony of our propaganda is that the Chinese are both war mongers and yet their equipment/military is criticized for being not battle tested. Any smartass out there would easily pick out this contradiction, but for our blinded sheeple in America - we swallow such propaganda whole

Wargaming and gaijin are planning something....im sure

Anything is possible these days.

even though 99.99% of the vehicles are old and not classified??

MAIL CALL!

The guy who leaked it was apparently a chinese tank commander. Emphasis on was.

The drama here is the leak source claimed that he managed to get the brochure and even a piece of actual penetrating rod from XIANYU (literally translated into 'salty fish', which is a chinese equivalent to Ebay), and funny enough the saler said he got the live firing round from 'Laoxiang' (basically peasants) living close to places where PLA's conduct firing drill and casually get their hands on these unused pieces of classfied military equipment.. and the leaker defend himself stating that since these stuffs can be put on sale in a public platform why would they even be considered 'classified' to begin with lmao

@@nathanwong5644 i doubt winnie the pooh will care about that

@@G-Mastah-Fash also was alive

There's no greater euphoria than winning an internet argument.

He won his argument to 🤣

@@DtWolfwood and thanks to him, he won't win it for long.

World of Tanks has turn everybody into experts and turn many people into Russian bootlickers. Russian Bootlicker kid: In real life it won't be ONE ON ONE!(They are implying that in real life it will be 2+ T72 tanks or any Russian jet vs one Western Tank or one Western Jet).

@@TheRibbonRed and this isnt even the first time

It's all very basic info you can find everywhere else included wikipedia, it's just packed full of jokes.

Yeah，quiet a lot of info to the level that he cant even name the tank right

How do you know it wasn't bullshit made up by a model kit? I'm vaguely aware that a lot of the weirdness of modern naming conventions come from them.

I'm sure all these infos are leaked way before they made it into games and models. Nations pay top dollar to spy on each other.

@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 well, it makes sense and it hit. Same thing is for most western tanks and taught in armour equivalent of basic.

I don't think that's a "leak" I think that's probably just non-classified tank information being featured on a toy.

Jane's Fighting Ships has been famous for having secret specs on military ships for well over hundred years. I don't even know if still done but in past often more accurate than intelligence agencies. Humans suck at keeping secrets. Thus I'm glad I'm confirmed now on the world governments were hiding how little they knew about Unidentified Flying Objects. Although Phenomena a better term as the object actually flying not proven.

War thunder top tier arguments are getting crazy. can't wait for them to add the F35.

@@davidty2006 If i would have some documents that wouldn't risk my live or the lives of people that I value more I would upload them anywhere else and then cite them in forum.

wasn't there two Challenger leaks?

And if the game devs actually rework the game it be so much awesome....

C&C Red Alert 4 incoming, lol... (7:37)

I can just imagine the arguments on game forums. A Chinese player finally lost his shit and so leaked state secrets. He may have won the argument but he now has a future of a slow painful death. I just hope it was worth it.

Model makers are seemingly smart guys. There was a Russian bomber, that had never had pics with its gear down. The model-makers guessed on the configuration---they were proved to be correct.

@@chrismason6857 He'll be sent to no particular place at all, where nothing will happen to his internal organs. 👀

Lol, they add the rounds.

It actually happened 6 times. I don’t know if every time it was documents, but classified info was leaked 6 times

I think it's up to six times now.

@@somethinglikethat2176 yeah, it’s happened with the eurocopter tiger two times

@@somethinglikethat2176 what are the other ones, there's this one, the chally 2 and the f16

He is going to get a "Hero of the People's Republic of China" medal soon for his success.

an hero*

One doesn't win many internet arguments, so that is a win.

Remember kids, winning is all that matters and it's only treason if you get caught.

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It happened six timese last year.From british to German to china.

@@user-eo6mm8fr2c Yeah at this rate whatever tank is in war thunder isn't safe.

@China Life 20 year olds get bored in the barracks. Add some corruption & the rest is history.

@China Life because many gamers are/were in the military

@@davidty2006 Classified no more

i mean, that information deserve to be leak if some gamer can find that intel easily....

IIRC, War Thunder introduced the Abrams in-game just as the armor composition of its first-gen version was declassified, so people tend to confuse them together

@@zee9709 Their not gamers. Their actual servicemembers for their respective countries LOL.

@@honkhonk8009 they play game wasn't they? Lol

@@zee9709 yes tho a gamer who is also privy to opsec and a gamer who only knows how to make pizza rolls are two different things to be fair

"strategy of keeping enemies as far away as possible" damn that's how I play strategy games too.

Carousel is not a bad solution. It is very difficult to hit ammunition placed low on the floor. The problem with Russian tanks is that after the carousel the ammunition is everywhere else in the tank. Each armor penetration ignites one of the shells, which then ignites all the other shells including those in the carousel.

​@@orkako as Napoleon once said, never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake.

Still not as fast in reverse as a French tank.

@@orkako Additional new insensitive propellant would dramatically improve crew safety. As such propellant remains stable even after being hit. Thus preventing chain detonation of the magazine.

Well, I hope that wasn't classified information.

@@odinsrensen7460 It isn't and wasn't a widespread modification.

Whoa the Abrams is a heavy armored submarine then

@@nekopop8159 yeah it can sink too ...

@@nekopop8159 ... or a reef.

Yep, now they do artillery first to rubble-ize the objective then send in the armor. Even so the Russian army isn't exactly doing all that well.

@@garyp.7501 yeah only in control of 20+% of the country and 70% of their heavy industry base.

@@garyp.7501 They are taking it slowly to avoid having isolated forward units. But they just won a massive victory in the east. Its not what we expected before the war started, but they clearly have the upper hand.

@@aaronpaul9188 Yes, when I take three to one casualty ratios I boast about how I have the upper hand..

@@davidconnellan6875 the Russians control less of the country than they did 2 months ago. This is fact.

That's because their guns are so stronk, comrade! (j/k)

The T 72 has the smoothest suspension in current service world wide, have look at official specifications online

Ugh, heavy tank + good recoil systen

​@@coffeecat9854 So... you're trying to tell us that a tank from the 1960's has "the smoothest suspension in current service world wide"... Sure...

@@Oddball_E8 yes why would suspension age poorly? Russia was forty or fifty years ahead of western armies in terms of tank ergonomics and design

Yeah, that's what I figured. Hence the big ol' C.

Obviously, firing at plus or minus 15 degrees from where you aim is not something that would be called "accuracy" 😅

Yeah, 15 degrees of accuracy would be only marginally better than aiming with your eyes closed!

@@ruan13o fuck that general direction and range

@@ruan13o Especially when the degrees are in Celcius, you know at a temparature scale.

I think you were smart. I know nothing about military life but I would like to be seen by a 60 tons monster if I were near it

That's why grunts didn't sleep on the ground near us when attached to an armor company (this was before the combined units now).

My Army career taught me best place -- "In the rear with the gear"...

Dude, there's no fear like trying to put the grunt phone back in the box when the Abrams changes gears. The Japanese have back up cameras on their tanks, why don't we!?

@@mikehimes7944 Maybe the DOD was gonna put in those cams but the details got leaked on War Thunder and "Game over man..." LOL!

Yes, 15 degrees error would be horribly inaccurate, making it unusable.

So what's the Celsius is supposed to mean?

@@nyimdewan3353 it's the given conditions at which the main metric holds. kind of like how you say water boils at 100C, 1 atm. what is the 1 atm supposed to mean? it's the pressure at which the main metric, temperature, water boils 100C. At different pressures, the water boils at a different temperature.

@@gwho Shazam!

leclerc documents were also leaked before

@@chris10000 the only reason the abrams hasnt been leaked is because the US army puts gamers in comms and the armory. that and thats also probably the fastest way to disappear from your post. "Corporal who? Never heard of them"

A french tank had the same happen too

@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach youre right, oh well, maybe the leopard 2 will be next year

@CSO Class Supercarrier Halo The Fall Of Reach I doubt the abrams will get a leak, while a tanker in the US knows the dimensions inside and out, and they know the types of armor, anything classified theyd know is more capabilities like targeting and speeds. the armor designs arent even disclosed to tank crews, not even the factory in Lima OH knows how the pannels are made, they just show up ready to be assembled onto the rest of the tank.

Well for the most part tanks really don't go anywhere without infantry overwatch for this very reason, what's crazy is you think tiny rockets are scary when you can go to your local hardware store and make a shape charge with remote demo for just a few bucks and can take out any tank

yeah but the other side using the T-72 was trained by the Ukranians. Do you really trust tactics and training of the late 90s early 2000s Ukraine??

So just More Metal Coffins on the Battlefield for China...Cool

You also need to consider crew training and doctrine, plus maintenance amd logistics. No disrespect to the Sudanese, but I don't know if they have the same scale of budget as China does which might degrade even the best designed vehicle performance on the battlefield.

@@ccarroll4339 logistics and maintenance need many money, entier Russia has the same GDP as a Chinese southern province Guangdong, eand even a Chinese city has more GDP than Sudan, so it is hard to compare the performance,

Just a correction that the tanks used by Sudan were Type 85 II-M, less advanced than export 96.

Plus some people (mostly idiots who watch Fox News) think that China = Russia and PLA = Russian army. They're pretty much opposites. The Russian army is big as they can make it and eats up a huge chunk of the state's funds with the main objective to attack and subjugate all neighbours. The PLA is a small professional force to defend against Vietnam and slow down India or Russia while a general mobilisation can be effected. The PLA is also expected to start and run companies to provide its own budget. Which makes a lot of sense because looking back to when the anti-maoists seized power, China was a shambles. They needed a lot of money to develop and they needed it fast, but you can't get that if you're financing a huge army for some hypothetical big war, while with Tibet incorporated into China, you've defense-in-depth against both your peer adversaries. So a PLA capable of stomping on Vietnam, Taiwan invading, North Koreans invading and the small western neighbours like Kirgizistan, means all strategic needs are covered.

Well, it's not entirely correct, take the Type 052DL destroyer for example. It's part of the 052D class (evolved from 052C) but due to it only have elongated hull and a new long range search radar as an upgrade, it did not get the 052E designation.

@@obsidianstatue No.....052DL is longer for a bigger helicoper pad, usually, ABD refer as a very big upgrade in China, 052C and 052D look like a totally different thing, and J10 fighter, J10A, J10B, and J10C all very different, only from outlook tells alot.

It won't make much of a difference. The budget means nothing when they have so few people willing to join the military.

Europe is finished.

@@TechnoMinarchistBall You can still have an effective military with low manpower, as long as the budget is high enough. See UK, maybe Canada etc

@@silverhost9782 The UK and Canada can only get away with their tiny militaries because the US does the majority of the heavy lifting in any engagement they're involved in.

@@TechnoMinarchistBall ...The same would be true of Germany?

problem is, who is better than the American military that they can copy? lmao

The american military and chinese military are probably top tier, and easily are competitors. Both countries also realize that nationalism is retarded, and only put it up for politics and show.

@Watcher America didn't even have a rocket program prior to the capture of German scientists. The American rocket program was a continuation of the German rocket program.

the roman empire did the same thing actually (for example copying and incorporating parthian cavalry tactics into existing roman doctrine, later adding Sarmatian cavalry tactics, later adding hunnic and gothic cavalry tactics, etc etc. in adition to their own innovations)

Actually it happened with gunpowder. Uniforms. Rockets. Metalworks.

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Exactly, I was like wtf dude look at the C!!!

Correct!

🤣🤣🤣the second line of Chinese characters on that paper was "Speak Use Type Meal: ZTZ....ZT99A Type Lord Fit Rule Party" by word to word which was nonsense🤣 But I could tell the original words the writer was saying before the Google translate by pronunciation and it was "话（hua）用=合（he）用=Fit for use"，“式餐（can）=式=type + 产（chan）=Produce (verb)” ，“主就(jiu)理(li)=主战（zhan）=main battle” “党(dang)= 坦克(tan ke)=tank”. (btw that sounds like a heavy Japanese pronunciation way in English, they pronouncing Jew as Julie and that's why "Zhu Zhan Tan Ke" would became "Zhu ZhuLi Dang" )

combine would be "Fit for use type product: bla bla bla... type main battle tank"

Is that very good or is that very bad? I guess enough to easily hit an enemy tank?

I believe that 15C is the temp on a Standard Day in aeronautical lingo, used as another commenter said, a reference point for calculations.

Yeah I know right...LoL Laughable Never take your Info from a Game

Or the test data collected at another temperature was corrected to STP for comparison purposes.

15% is the angle of gun firing at given velocity !

​@@pashapasovski5860 No... it is the speed of the projectile that was able to achieve this speed in the given temperature. Colder=most likely slower burning and the final speed at the end of the barrel will be lower. Warmer propelant will gonna burn faster and most likely the projectile gonna also move faster at the end of the barrel.

@@Bialy_1 OK,the temperature inside the tank is hardly 15°C ,they have climate control AC,but the angle of the gun,is what really influences the speed of projection! You don't aim straight at O°,because it gun is always elevated when aiming at a distance! You can even see tanks moving on roads with slight elevation, but yeah, you must be right, I didn't spend 15 months as a part of tank brigade, so what do I know!

I was going to say, a 15 degree spread is pretty terrible accuracy.

Check out the M8 AGS program, it's still a myth whether Type 15 can handle medium to heavy anti-tank weaponry from the front, unless the protection level of Type 15 is really as good as what Chinese keyboard analysts believe it's nothing new.....

Lol maybe they have the magical era blocks that stop apfsds rounds in warthunder

@@muyangcheng3874 You would not expect very good hard protection on a 35-ton tank, which is not its intended purpose. Type-15 has reasonable trade-offs over its design purpose. M8 has been cancelled and its purpose are quite different with Type-15. MPF serves a much more similar role.

@@Cecil97 If heavy tanks could be penetrated one way or another (with wide spread of anti tank missile), there could be different ways to protect the tank other than just adding weight.

NO matter how GREAT it is "supposed" to be, it has ONE major fault, it's Made in China!

That is IF you can reach it in a defensive force

@@harrisn3693 do you mean if you can reach the t72 whilst it’s on the defensive? Hulled down and bagged?

This is why the Abrams have ballistic panels between the crew and the ammo. Plus blow-out panels that allow cook-offs to vent outside of the vehicle.

All valuable points, counterpoint: the do you think the Chinese Government gives a flying duck about the survivability of their soldiers?

@@The_Faceless_No_Name_Stranger no that’s why they’ll lose

canyou say more clear please ,cant get its meaning

I mean... what's China going to do, say "That's not the real specs"? They can't even argue against the information, because doing so will just validate that it's real.

No need for correction, the second line of Chinese characters on that paper was "Speak Use Type Meal: ZTZ....ZT99A Type Lord Fit Rule Party" by word to word which was nonsense🤣 But I could tell the original words the writer was saying before the Google translate by pronunciation and it was "话（hua）用=合（he）用=Fit for use"，“式餐（can）=式=type + 产（chan）=Produce (verb)” ，“主就(jiu)理(li)=主战（zhan）=main battle” “党(dang)= 坦克(tan ke)=tank”. (btw that sounds like a heavy Japanese pronunciation way in English, they pronouncing Jew as Julie and that's why "Zhu Zhan Tan Ke" would became "Zhu ZhuLi Dang" )

My understanding is that “armor rating” of 1200mm doesn’t mean it’s that thick it means it can withstand an equivalent of a projectile that could penetrate that amount of steel . Does that make sense ?

@@Taskandpurpose totally because 1.2metres is crazy.

Lets not consider it at all.. Why? Because the Abrams you talk about had no depleted uranium armour, no reactive armour. In fact they were just steel hulls with NO added protection. So your comment is moot.

its all about having a experience crew that knows what they are doing vs one that has zero clue

@@okbutthenagain.9402 When people said that the Russian T72s are better than the iraqi ones, people love to call dismiss them as excuses. Somehow, that's not the case when western weapons are in the hands of incompetent armies XD

@@okbutthenagain.9402 The exported abrams like you said dont have the DU armour but the exported T-72 dont have access to the standard russian shell,poor training due to lack of ammunitions,inferior electronics,and have no or either outdated era on them

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@@sturm6111 that sounds so Soviet lol The Chinese government today feels more like if the Singaporean government and the German government had a baby

​@@thomaszhang3101 Hi, do you use VPN and is it common? I'm not Chinese but I have a mainlander friend that uses vpn to bypass the firewall when we play games.

@@bens4801 yeah, VPN is pretty common

@@thomaszhang3101 I see, thanks