I think many people misunderstand him and label him as nihilist. He is more like a Zen master who cuts all your anchors. His statements are like a Zen Koan. I think he is a very compassionate and wise man who realised the biggest and only obstacle in front of us is thought. By negating everything he puts us in a state of nothingness like Buddha did. The problem with many truth seekers is following perceptions given by spiritual traditions or gurus. I think U G realised that we created our reality based on assumptions and he takes all of them away. He wants us to experience directly what is remained behind after removing all thoughts and assumptions. His negative statements are not to give any beliefs
? For real Zen Master. I don't agree with U cuz You are also labeling him!!! We are using World knowledge give by world and culture. If you just leave World knowlegde How would u see the world. Which isn't possible. That's why we are trap on it.
I don't think he wants us to experience anything at all. Looks like he reached a level of "not wanting anything". It's like words and "logic" can't be applied to him and yet we feel that he's seeing something fundamental about us, about our human condition, existence. It's very hard to talk about him and about what he says. It's more like a personal experience that shakes ones beliefs and the "nature of thought" itself. I'm very curious how he reached that state. It's quite impressive...
sinister geek Everything is possible once the individual is courageous enough to jump into unknown where mind cannot exist. Meanwhile, language is the only hindrance which is raw material for mind. Even to say you are labelling him is a labelling, isn’t it? The work is getting out of the mind and seeing what is there.
Bender The Fourth sure, everything is an assumption and a concept. Truth can’t be touched and experienced by mind. I can feel and empathise with him because I see many similarities between me and him and many other seekers. We are obsessed by seeking truth. The seeking causes the trouble because it is guided by mind and individual self. Once the individual is exhausted and drops seeking, truth is already here and now. Then there is no need for any thoughts because we realise mind tries to conceptualise and understand everything as it is afraid of unknown.
@@AtmanMusicOfficial Yes!! I am agree yet, here we are standing how We gonna describe Ug. Bruh! Get out of Mind isn't possible cuz if you go out. U have to think. Which produce thought and it's product of mind. All i am trying say regardless of how much we say we know In grander scheme of life We are just mere living creature tryna get out. or get in!!.I mean whole thing product by"u" and ends with "u".
Timestamps: 0:35 - Enlightenment, Pleasure, Pain 3:15 - Sex, gurus selling shoddy goods 6:10 - Consciousness 7:15 - Thought created all these demands for Permanence 9:25 - Self, Soul, Spirit 11:00 - No way of knowing you’re alive 11:50 - I think therefore I am 13:00 - Bliss 14:00 - No way out 15:00 - Thought is Time 15:40 - We’re trapped 15:55 - No present moment/Enlightenment 18:35 - No problems, only solutions 22:15 - No such thing as Understanding 23:50 - Science 25:20 - Thought is Space … 27:14 - Part 2 27:25 - UG talks about his search 29:20 - Meditation 32:00 - Thought battle 35:00 - Breathing exercises 35:45 - Spiritual experiences 36:30 - Knowledge is Power 37:40 - Tears/Crying 38:50 - Relationships 44:50 - Nobody here talking/Functioning of the body 47:25 - Eyes do not recognize anything 48:40 - We are all just computers/robots 49:30 - Materialistic vs. Spiritual 50:40 - Do thoughts exist? 52:30 - We aren’t getting anywhere 53:14 - Let’s talk about light 55:50 - Fear 58:30 - Are you really alive? 1:00:00 - Thoughts are dead not alive 1:00:15 - UG on commercials 1:01:20 - People want palliatives 1:02:55 - We’re all brainwashed 1:05:45 - UG on traveling 1:07:15 - Nobody could help me 1:07:40 - Selfishness 1:09:00 - No Self 1:10:00 - Nothing to understand 1:10:35 - Nothing to be changed 1:11:35 - Murderers have a better chance of enlightenment 1:12:00 - Can UG help anybody? 1:13:10 - Despair is the Solution 1:15:05 - Culture forces everyone into a mold 1:16:35 - Terror will keep us together 1:17:45 - Permanence 1:19:25 - Death 1:22:25 - Philosophy/Logic has no foundation
Murderers have a better chance of enlightenment. Hmm. Maybe. Osho says Patanjali insisted it was obvious that yoga would have no results for anyone who hadn't already realized everything was hopeless.
Most people didn't understand him and never will. He is not trying to hate anyone, he is someone who cuts all your knowledge. He is Shiva ( that which is not) . His insight and observations is next level and after listening to him I don't think any questions remains.
@@Sheet_music0 That's good. I basically just listen to him to relax. He never taught me anything. He just confirmed my bias I already had my whole life.
I am a big fan of the western rock music by that I mean the philosophy it preached and I spend lot of time writing my own poetry and keep it real by not going commercial and focusing primarily on making my writing matured and autobiographical as well as stylish and good to listen like Dylan Cohen or bukowski but coming from India and West bengali which is one of the literally and spiritual capitols and mind tanks of the world I still was still intellectually and spiritualy specially spiritualy stuck and ug took me to the next level
Seeing this now, my thought is that UG planted some seeds of ideas that Bernardo Kastrup has found on a wanderingly parallel path, and that Jeffrey might have been more able to accept due to the compounded interest of this long ago interview. Thanks to Jeffrey for the intellectual integrity of posting this interview. UG made a lot of statements in the manner of Nietsche. I mean spoken from direct personal experience. I'm not referring to both having been accused of nihilism.
"In its natural state, the senses of the body take on independent existences (uncoordinated by any "inner self") and the ductless glands (that correspond to the locations of the Hindu chakras) become reactivated. U.G. described how it is the pineal gland, or the Ajna Chakra, that takes over the functioning of the body in the natural state, as opposed to thought.[citation needed]." My Gosh! How do people think this is some amazing stuff by anybody. This is mental gymnastics and mental madness at best. An honest thing about him was that he told people to discard any knowledge like this from anyone either now or in the past. Spirituality/enlightenment is BONKERS.
I experience my body in the sense, when it relax the body feel good and on stress it contrat, so I experience the body when it feel hungry, sleeping, thirsty etc
U have travelled so far to reach ug. Here ends everything else, But unfortunately thats not the end for u, its the beginning of another journey, or in other words another misery. In short in the words of UG there's " NO WAY OUT"
There is another instrument! I play piano. Or any other instrument. I think he is talking about the unconscious when he says he doesnt know how the dawning comes over him. Think about creativity. I compose music and its so exciting- because i don't know where im going until i sing it.
20:06 "one has to give up" lol of course UG corrects him here 20:24 20:34 "Aaah!!!" :)) 20:36 "B b but you just said that's essential to do" UG goes on to explain but the simple way I'd put it is "giving up" is action which is very much wrapped in your identity so any action whatsoever is futile in attaining enlightenment. I would like to illustrate by view of how enlightenment occurs: Imagine you're in a house and want to get out but it's like a nightmare; there are millions and millions of doors so you try and you try and you try and you try and you try until one day you give up and you have no expectation to ever find the door that lets you out of the building. That day is the day the door you have all along been been looking for will open only to find out that there is no outside. :)))
What happens after finding out there is no outside? Does it get disappointed? Or does it go on to establish itself as "god" meaning it has no desire or fear? Or what else and why? I don't seem to get beyond this point. When foundation of truth is shaken, What is real then? Or does the self-divisive entity then regard itself as ego and tries to kill itself (which is the same as no desire or fear?)
After a point, rationality overrides emotions. And the observer that watches this seems to be disappointed. And then the observer that watches that and so on. Seems an infinite suffering that has no way out. Only way out seems like naming itself as god and accepting that there is no way out.
@@suryanarayans2882 the mind can never find that out and it can never be put into words and concepts. Look at your question: "What happens after finding out there is no outside? Does it get disappointed? Or does it go on to establish itself as "god" meaning it has no desire or fear? Or what else and why?" The mind is seeking continuity. There is no beyond. Ludwig Wittgenstein once said that a philosopher is like a fly trapped in a bottle. He saw his work being to show his students the way out of the bottle. In the same way UG is telling you to forget everything you've learned and do whatever you please. Not many people get this deep down the rabbit hole of spirituality / philosophy etc. The vast majority of humanity lives in a perpetual dream and once you realise this it becomes very difficult to integrate with the rest of society (UG touches on this a few times too). Trying to change it would literally be equal with trying to move mountains with bare hands. The brain is a bridge for the senses not a command centre for the mind (aka ego). Let things come and go. Be in the body and let the mind do its thing without trying to control it. Treat it like an annoying child you have to live with. Engage with society but know its underlying insanity and accept it as it is.
He is directly telling that the "I" is itself misery and despair born out of desire & fear and the "I" itself voluntarily can't surrender or go away. Which means we need help or way out - which Krishna has said in Geeta or Ashtavakra to Raja Janak. Here "I" is said to be knowledge and the "I" got it only after it knows about the body. Then remind yourself when you were not aware of yourself. Who was there in the body then? Was there anyone at all??
It is only natural for the Brahmans to have created this hypothesis. Being a verbally-oriented people, the Brahmans employed rote learning heavily in their learning right from an early age. It makes sense then that they would have become heavily habituated to perceive the world through linguistic mediation, being far removed from perceiving it 'directly'. Even sex turned painful for these myopic overthinkers :D 3:36
Well here was a guy who could not even support himself, living hand to mouth and in the end asked to be deported back to India. fortunately this enlightened man, a women came along and sheltered him under her wing for the rest of his life.. great enlightened soul better listen to what he says.
39:06, I have to disagree with the statement about the fundamentally pragmatic(?) nature of human relationships, for lack of a better word. We do have mutual benefits that play the most superficial role. Underneath that, however, I think that (part of) the mind searches for the most logical conclusions that lead to actions. Relationships, for instance, serve as a way of lessening the suffering of all the relevant sentient beings involved. This is because humans do not rationally believe in an intrinsic value to the self or others, which means we are all equally value(able)(less) in relation to each other. To act in a way that causes the suffering of others for the sake of oneself is, therefore, not logical, and most adults are conscious of the psychological discomfort that the subconscious has with this illogical circumstance. This discomfort is what people often call a "conscience". Thus, two people who simply benefit from each other's influence are ignoring the deep-seated logical "conscience" that draws them together for a far deeper--and more logically sound--reason. These are my thoughts. What do you think?
At 34.25 he says the calamity he struck with has nothing to do with his earlier struggle,is not really a fact Spiritual perusal ,his extensive struggle his extra ordinary effort all culminated to Brahmistiti but he accepts not !
Is there a goal for humanity? What is humanity? Does self realization exist and what is it? What is the soul, what does it realize. Does it exist? How do you function? From there....
@@sathwikaithagani1365 Ofcourse No formulas is there and it is like that You are Pushing a Person into a Deep Water (or) Sea and then tells him about if you know Swimming get out of it and Save yourself.....
49 Years Mr.UG have Tried but not get the Answer but it needs only fraction of a Second to get the Enlightened as Declared by Great Soul called Avatars
If there is no message, if there is nothing to say, nothing to discover, why did he even had to go to this shows and have this interviews, that is what i want to know.
In one interview he got asked that, can't remember which, but the answer was he's just doing it. He had no home, no copyright, he got invited to people, and even to some interviews. If he wanted he would have made more of them.... saying the same things all over again =))
The idea is that you must realize there is nothing to know. Knowing (trying to grasp at) what he is saying is the only impediment to the truth. The truth is unbelievable. You must come to this realization on your own. Stop thinking and trying to get what he is saying. Just listen to it in your own experience and see if it is true. He can’t tell you anything that you don’t already “know”.
my cat is in heat now, moaning like crazy, i had to do the hairless cat youtube eleviating procedure, pardon the spelling, seems to quite her down. poor babies.
My body cares for sex and it is not painful. My life becomes painful when I don't practice my sexualuty for a long time. I don't get it it how UG comes to his conclusion on this topic.?
You are not breathing, the body as a biological unit is breathing and what you call 'you' is creation of thought/ knowledge..there is no way to know the reality without thought/knowledge
I agree. I think he is disingenuous and just having a laugh about philosophy. Or could be like a zen koan as someone else said. Meditation has helped me. I've had mental health issues amd trauma and it has helped. I need silence as I find people overpowering. But he is in a position of power, people listen to him. His work is talking alot.
I think Anthony de mello is very good. Body awareness meditations have helped me with trauma. No the energy is not wasted. The glimpses of peace get longer. RUBBISH - THERE IS A STATE OF Peaceful CALM. I have had ocd and calming the mind with body awareness has helped.
The thing with UG(li) is how he made a career out of stating the obvious. Many of his cult think his aggression is a sign of truth but UG is very angry. Pity he saw little joy in life.
He may have been a bitter barking dog 😆 But there's nothing more pitiful than you wasting plenty comments to bash a long gone and dead man. He never had a career. Never made money. Took no copyright. But you can make a career battering comments to dead people in the comments... tic tac life goes on.
I think therefore I am. What is ugk answer to dream and sleep , so is the mind and thoughts there during these states ?? If so, is it still "I think therefore I am". The underpinning of someone's identity , is surely beyond the body as in the dreams body is resting and mind or in ugk vocab it is whatever you want to call it , is active if the premise is thought hasn't come out of the body . Ideally understanding of mind is first essential before he even takes us through a regurgitated vocab journey , if all vocab isnbeing called out as whatever you want to call it" why even use language ...he has to just stop expressing these words ...which are surely originating from the thought to express such. All species want to survive and reproduce, one thing he has at least accepted . If that is the premise , then what makes it different to be so called humans , will another dog , monkey also understand the nuances of this mind and thought ( which again is an invention of the thought ). Ultimately , all these words , knowledge , understanding is by whom ....if the dead cannot do this , who is doing it in life ? A simple example , of how he is ironical is very evident ..., He has dentures for sure from the way it's set z why did he even care for this , whose image is he trying to keep up, and if this is false and so is everything else ....as per him, why even care about looks. Why write books , why give interviews ....if everything is false he had to shun everything ....whose point of view is his selling ...who is this person ...ugk apart from the physical body ....your words in the formation of your thoughts will stay even after you die in the form of books, interview etc
Ug said all these things as not way to inculcate or people to follow his philosophy...he just expressed his view which every human can express in his own way... He questioned everything.. he never denied anything but rightly pointed out the people are trying to find reality in everything let alone the ultimate reality..as there is no way to find out anything about reality with help of thought.. it is not a logical premice .. but fact is that thought as rightly pointed out is a dead thing...also as long as thought can be used for survival purpose it's fine but not to find reality of world or universe.. mind always want to indulge in pleasure which is pain for body... I am not trying to promote ug here but that's my experience as well...what I can say is we are always trying to define life .. forgetting that life is already there.. it's living... Burden is very less now with nothing there to experience as it's already living...
No always, is more than that , yes but no always no al the time, are Krishnamurti, why yo think you Roth, is your superior?, remember that you say is not here and now
Wrong! U. G. Krishnamurti was enjoying his life as a philosopher, whereas you are one of the many idiots that are forced to earn a living by pursuing a rather unpleasant line of work.
