"By coming here, you have lost the last precious chance you had, of resolving the problem by yourself, for yourself." Powerful statement. Total honesty burns through all the masks...eventually.
A beginner seeker needs people like Alan Watts , Eckhart Tolle A more advanced seeker need Osho , J Krishnamurti An even more advanced seeker need someone fierce like UG to shatter their “spiritual” illusion after reading too much about it It’s pointless to compare these amazing people , spiritual seekers in different stages need different teachers ,they all have their own purpose.
Honestly, I was just thinking this myself. I used to think U.G. was the "cranky" Krishnamurti compared to the kindly Jiddu! But over time, and through many embarrassing moments of false "awakening" and "breakthroughs" one comes to UG and after a few minutes, nods and then walks off, not so much enlightened as confirmed of a suspicion or a conspiracy. I might come back simply for the pleasure of the speech, but the "oh yeah!" moment that I can only come to at his age after this long is not a secret that can be revealed to the years of youth. I suppose an earnest person is too enamored of the romance that is associated with "life of the mind."
He's honest. Nothing anyone can say can liberate "you". Nothing "you" can "do" can liberate "you". You must stop "doing" altogether, if "liberation" is truly what you want....and it isn't. The conviction that something can be done to liberate "you" is the problem. Were you to stop searching, you wouldn't feel the need to listen to Alan Watts or Krishnamurti or your therapist or anybody. The search for a solution is creating the problem. Finis ab origine pedet. You want peace of mind? Stop wanting it. Then you'll have it. Period. I repeat, the desire for peace of mind is synonymous with the decision NOT to have it in this moment.
+Robin Payne This is the whole "seeker *implies* sought" dynamic, no? By wanting to at one with this universe, you have literally created an image of self that has been conditioned to feel not one with the universe.
ShakinJamacian Yes. Every spiritualist from here to Timbuktu is after the same thing: post-corporeal continuity of self (ego). There is no inherently existing self. Self is defined by other and thus cannot function or exist outside the framework of duality. I'm not saying there's nothing inherent at all. There is an implicit yet inherent oneness, but there's nothing "selfish" about that at all. This oneness cannot ever be aware of itself, because the very act of knowing constitutes a twoness. Even everyone's beloved Alan Watts concedes this point. He says the "godhead" (oneness) can never be an object of its own knowledge, just as a knife can't cut itself, fire can't burn itself, yada yada. This oneness is the "soul" of man, and to refer to the soul as a "higher self", "divine self", what have you, is simply to project selfish attributes onto an unfathomably unselfish phenomenon. The desire to "awaken" or evolve spiritually in any way is a rejection of god in the truest possible sense of the word, because it is a rejection of your current state of being. It is a rejection of the NOW. It's saying no, things aren't perfect the way they are..."I" have to step in and change a few things! Ego always finds a way to assert itself.
+Robin Payne You say, that if I want peace of mind I should stop wanting it. But here lies the ugly truth of it all. I can't stop wanting it, even if I know that I will get it if I do so. And if someday I finally realize that there is actually nothing to want. . . . ever. . . . it wont be my own doing, but a mere coincidence. A random event. So when you tell me I should stop wanting it, you are actually doing exactly what you are telling me I should not do. You shouldn't be telling anything to anyone. That is the whole truth of it. But look, In telling you not to tell me, I have created the same problem all over again. Goddamn vicious circle. I will stop talking now. Damn, I did it again. And again. Again. I hope this does not sound like gibberish to you. It is a very interesting topic. Even the ideology to renounce all ideologies is nothing but a mere ideology.
It is so but there nothing to change in real assume that our eye is just a camera and just watching or observing everything outside with no brain 🧠 means ( no thinking no interpretation at all ) 💐🙏
Meaning your everyday experience thoughts and emotions are unique to you alone. We as humans superimpose our experience of life on to the world. We superimpose our thoughts and beliefs and experience as being an absolute truth when it is not and entirely dependent.
I always come back to UG. His lack of giving any false hope. Giving not one platitude for solace. Yet I have never heard him utter one mean and cruel (his potshots at Osho n JK etc notwithstanding) thought. I encounter a civil gentleman who refuses to issue any platitude or emotional drivel and hyperbole. He is consistent as well. Somewhere I know he is truthful. Even if there is more to know atleast he is not lying about what he feels, thinks and knows. I just like so much
"By coming here you lost the precious chance you had of resolving the problem for your self and by yourself - then you would know, that no outsider or anyone can help you..". This is truth.
My friend told me the other day that this guy tells truths that are,"sad but true." It is only sad if you have a pronounced sense of self. When you truely comprehend what's being said, it should fill you with joy. Let's celebrate, this little game we've got going on here is just wonderful.
The look on dudes face and eyes at 13:03 tells you UG nailed it. You see the despair present and the truth exposed...he knows if he relinquishes the question...he has nothing left and it’s a terrifying concept to him
@@drewpowers7236 absolutely true. By the way, thanks for replying. It's been 3 years. How has U.G. changed you? Has he changed you? For the better or worse? My best wishes
@flexibleguy UG was well known for saying...is that your understanding is from the knowledge passed on to you. He is one of many who I have absorbed their knowledge, for lack of a better word, and it just resonated with me as being closer to the truth of what this reality is that we share. What are we passing through? Why do we disturb ourselves so much as we pass through it? What is our true nature? The concepts UG shared can be very frightening to many but I discovered that to me and others...it seems to free us. As long as you face the fear head on that the truth may destory the very fabric of who you are and how you see the world. However for me it's very freeing that there is nothing to free yourself from except the very idea (thought) that you have to free yourself from something. It's like putting down your weapon and choosing not to fight a losing battle. I come back to UG to help me drop the weight of this world which is created by myself with my demands, both consciously and subconsciously, that the world be a certain way and I be a certain way in it.
There is no hopelessness in what he is saying. I don't understand why people think he is so gloomy. He is only saying that you are the one behind the questions. You are the one behind your perception of the world. What's so dismal about that? This is good realization! Go and live, and stop asking silly questions. That's all he says. Oh well. What do you want out of life? To levitate off the ground in a lotus position? To shoot beams of light from your third eye? Do not demand more than you are capable of or desire more than what life can offer, and you will be content. It's okay. There's nothing wrong with you.
UG is a master at triggering the futility of understanding life, through the thought mechanism that most people are trapped in. He is free but yet projects to others that they cannot be. So a division is held between them, a separation of sorts. There is no separate forms, so therefore they can find their way out like him as well. If he did, than others can as well.
He doesn’t project TO others that they cannot be free. That’s not the way projection works. It works this way: Others project ONTO him that he is telling them they can’t be free. He’s literally not telling you anything about yourself. No one can do that. If you feel you cannot be free, that’s your feeling and your choice. I’m free. It’s not up to good ol’ UG or anyone else. In my country, there is a saying that goes, “Freedom isn’t free” but it literally is.
@@Campfire30You nailed it. Like my mother would always say "People do it to themselves." The ones who do not get U.G., the ones that come and see U.G., their lack of understanding is them doing it themselves. U.G. isn't using mind, thoughts, feelings, perception, intellect to understand what the human physiology already understands.
I used to tell my friends if any guru talk can agitate you, that means you must be very careful. But UG talk makes people confuse. That should be the truth. I admire him.
Reminds me of Sartre preaching all his life the importance of making your decisions for yourselves, and owning up the responsibility for your own truth and experience of life, as an individual.
osho once said "there is no meaning there is no purpose in life, life is the meaning itself, life is a play and the moment you play you are enlightened"
Ug Krishnamurthy seems not to be saying something about life but by destroying anybody's logic about life he reveals life and taking one away from imagination and bringing him back to life.
lol that poor old scottisch guy, this is a great example on how deep the conditioning is to snap out of it, despite what UG is trying to tell, I see it everywhere, up to date still, the confusing aspect of this (cultural) conditioning, and often entangled within their sense of the self, made him go into self defence mode, by any means needed.
@@Devesh0201 Hope is just a form of belief. You can hope one day to become successful nothing wrong with that. This guy never makes that clear. He just says never hope, I mean. wtf kind of message is that? Psychological hope is bad because it never works. I hope one day to become not depressed but I'm miserable right now. That doesnt work. No you have to act not hope when it comes to inner peace and clarity. For innerstanding you need perception not hope. But like hoping for your mother to not be sick, or hoping one day you will have children. There is nothing wrong with that.
@@Devesh0201 Yea thought has done some evil stuff. But Jiddu Krishnamurti said thought without insight is bad. When thought operates on its own it can reek havock. But when insight is the captain of the thought ship as you will, thought cannot create conflict. It's very interesting. It's in the talks ending of of time with physicist David bohm. Insight has to operate thought otherwise disorder and conflict arises.
"Shower upon him every earthly blessing, drown him in a sea of happiness, so that nothing but bubbles of bliss can be seen on the surface; give him economic prosperity, such that he should have nothing else to do but sleep, eat cakes and busy himself with the continuation of his species, and even then out of sheer ingratitude, sheer spite, man would play you some nasty trick." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky In other words, the human's search for problems is insatiable. We continue to create troubles to ourselves to have the illusion of chasing after something important. So that we can continue to live. "Tell me the meaning of life," they say to U.G. Krishnamurti. But as the Buddha say, You suffer because you desire.
This was one of the first videos by UG that I saw. So glad I find this man. Better than Watts, better than Jiddu, better than them all in my opinion. Comparable to the greats Loazi and Zhuangzi, but with his own character.
He gave the answer precisely.... Just like a mom telling a child the story is over..go to sleep But the child keeps asking questions or begging to hear the story one more time in the hopes of entertainment or afraid of sleep.... The very point of the story in the first place was to make u sleep... Mom knows the story is full of lies but the child however believes every word in the story... So can't sleep Just like our mind is afraid to let the death take place
I was involved in similar discussions with Sri Ramsurat Kumar in Tiruvannamalai in the 70's. There is something about Ramana Maharshi's legacy that promotes self inquiry, even when it lead 'you' nowhere.
He reminds me of that sage in the vedas who just came, called all authority and everyone a fraud, and left insulting the whole concept upon which tradition is made
"I cannot completely agree..."..UG dashes all hopes and leaves one in a very painful state and at the same time impossible to challenge his statements....
From what I understand, the problem that we all want to solve cannot be solved through thinking (intellect) by putting it in a mental framework, and it is the constant demand to solve that deep rooted problem that makes our lives so miserable and desperate. Once the demand goes, reliance shifts to the Body (our true and only existence) - we are indeed just biological beings. Once that dawns upon an individual experientially, he sees the fallacy of Problems and the real place of his intellect (Thoughts). Its like saying once you understand the nature of fire, you just stop using it to douse fire.
The two old man in a village after having their dinner both seat together on a bench for 2 to 3 hours daily without any conversation (not a single word)when any of them feel to sleep he just says “ lets go to sleep “ and both go back to their homes . My uncle said me this beautiful story of two neighbours in our Village .🙏💐
Talking to UG is the sound of one hand clapping: futility. This futility shows the asker, that he or she who is asking the question is the only one who can answer it...
You can tell that old guy at the end is still afraid, blaming the words, scary isn't it, not having any purpose or meaning. I think it's great, nothing to worry about.
I remember watching this video 2 years ago thinking, this guy is fucking scary, and crazy. But now realizing the difference between actual reality, and "self" I can understand what he is saying, and without realizing it "yourself" you can't be helped.
For fuck sakes, it's simple. Fear is Self, No-Self is True-Self, there is no true self. No belief is true and anything less than true is False. Ego is Self, not a construct of it. It is smarter than you. It is you and it is woven from Fear. Fear of No-self. All Fear comes from fear of no self. We are Fear Refractors. Inside the Self is where Duality resides; Fear and Love, Right and Wrong, You and Not-You. These are deeply held beliefs. But they are False. "Nothing is right or wrong but thinking makes it so." The only criteria to judge what is right or wrong is by what occurs missing entirely that what Is, is "right". There is only one thing and what it is is what you are. UG is talking across paradigms. He sees 1, and the person he's talking to still sees 2. Compound that problem with the fact he's a poor communicator and you have a recipe for a total disconnect. People want answers and want to understand but in order to get to that level, the part that wants, must die. Ego can slay Ego, but Ego also wants the goodies, which can't happen. So people pour on knowledge and make studies of "waking up". Life is not a spectator sport. We buttress beliefs and reside in a reality that's whimsically drafted by consensus and we operate from there in the wrong direction in the pursuit of answers. It's not about knowing, it's about unknowing, and eliminating the Self doesn't come from the pull of desire, but from the push of suicidal discontent. Enlightenment is a furnace to the Self. Leaving duality means you don't get the good stuff either. Consciousness is the superset, the Universe is the subset, not the other way around. And that is the shared religion of the entire species. First rule of objective reality is that there isn't one, so that's more delusion. If you can't see yourself like all of humanity as a scrambled bunch of children playing make-believe, then you're pointing the flashlight in the wrong direction. "If you weren't amazed by how ignorant you were yesterday, then you haven't moved." Agree or disagree, I don't give a shit. But if you understood what the hell I was talking about you would know you didn't just read this, you just wrote it. It's about you.
Ug..Real talk. Im born accepting this kind of life since i was born sick. Appreciate life for the moment that has happened and is happening knowing when i can die anytime even if by my own hands. Death and life has options...Live and die in misery. Take drugs and hope to die sleeping when there are millions of easy way for death to get us humans.
beautiful. But you'd remain the same,, suffering,, and at un-peace. you'd come out and think you've got it. But suffering won't go away,, no matter how many thousands hours of lectures you watch, from UG. but still an adorable and unique figure.
We are programmed by nature to try and survive. But the catch is that in the process of evolution we got our brain evolved to help us survive but man uses societal methods to do so. Fundamentally it's all about survival.
Peterson: "This philosophy business is terribly serious so I want you to gather round because what I'm going to tell you may just save your wretched lives." Watts: "Philosophy is utterly futile, so why don't we have some fun with it? Let me be your spiritual entertainer for the evening." Krishnamurti: "What are you loafers still doing here? I thought I told you I had nothing to teach you! *Fuck off already!"*
I like how Alan is able to communicate the "meaninglessness" I guess I'll say but point out that music is also "meaningless" but still not that it is not at all worthwhile.
@@willissudweeks1050 I did not hit her I did nawt! ...Oh hi Malik.... Since you're here I'm guessing you're uploading a new video soon. Either way, I think there's something I need to clarify. When I talk about Taoism, the godhead, Yin and Yang, Zen, etc. I'm not trying to be philosophical but mystical. Philosophy means "the love of knowledge." It is an attempt to explain life with the intend of improving it. Mysticism is the inverse and is about accepting that life *cannot* be understood conclusively and is a mystery. Improvement of life can result from this, but obviously any intent to do so would a contradiction. Mysticism is bound up with wisdom and religion and appears from the outside to have metaphysical content, which is why you've confused the two in berating me as, "too philosophical," but they're completely different. I may seem to be trying to show off, but only because I'm not self conscious about remaining humble. The notion of a mystic being able to prove himself better than other people is absurd. You don't do it to be better yourself, much less other people -- you do it because you have *no need* to be better than other people. You're it. And so is everyone else. Most Buddhists meditate in order to become a Buddha. A zen Buddhist meditates because he is already a Buddha and always was. His zen is not seeking attainment but expressive of it, like an art form. I suppose I should also tell you that the "poem" I showed you was the oracle I cast on myself before posting my original comment in that chain using the I Ching or Book of Changes. I highly recommend looking it up for yourself, although not much of it will make sense to you at your level. It's one of the oldest Chinese texts and laid some of the groundwork for both Confucianism and Taoism. It is so arranged that one can use it for fortune-telling, but otherwise it no different than any other book on philosophy and it's central premise is that man and nature are one. The mystical insight from this is obvious. If man and nature are one, then there are no fundamental life problems to be solved. I don't anticipate that this will change your outlook on my comments much, but that's alright. I never expected you to understand mysticism because nobody does, much less become a mystic. I simply wanted to introduce you to this domain of human experience to help you gain a better understanding of the subjects I feel overlie it. If you can so much as dip your toe into mysticism and see three hairs on the end of the ox's tail as it rounds a tree (the ox being a metaphor for enlightenment) religion, philosophy, and literature will be peanuts to you.
Unrated Divine Soul. J.KRISHNAMURTI AND U. G KRISHNAMURTI HAS SIMILARITIES. ONE WILL TAKE U TO INTERNAL ENQUIRIES AND OTHER WILL TAKE YOU TO ESSENCE OF WISDOM.
Is UG the most liberated man ? He too was haunted by his thoughts about thoughts and about liberation. He said others were wrong but he didn't prove he is right. That is the beauty of a half grown mind . It creates chaos and finds out solutions to arrive at a higher ground of chaos . In the course of preaching not to search for solutions he is offering it as a solution. As a solutions he advices not do anything and not to try for solutions for imaginary goals. This itself is solution which may or may not be correct. To follow his opinion or not is left to those who doesn't look for any teaching or advice.
There really is something so paradoxical about being a nonduality teacher. I really don't envy that "calling". It would be so frustrating to try and teach that which cannot be taught as there is nothing to learn, and there is no one to learn it. What a weird existence indeed 😂
You are the problem you are the solution . You are the confusion you are the harmony. You are the Madness you are the treatment . You are the question you are the answer . You are a fool and you can't defool yourself . To remain a fool is the essence of life. No questions no answers. Ignorance can not question ignorance . Ignorance can not answer ignorance . Ignorance can not end ignorance. A fool can not be a teacher for other fools. Bask in foolishness but alone.
People Like to be told "fuck you losers" in a sweet way. And people Like also to have some gurus they can follow in a lifetime, give him money, and eventually suck his ass...this guy does not allow you to do so...
More i am listening to him, more i resist but i think i am seeing the truth of his saying. Actually there is no knower as well.its the dance of body and mind in this motionless NOW...
i think the point is that most 'nihilists' are really trendy cunts that are covert optimists. real nihilist mostly do not give a fuck about any conventions and only themselves, if that
Vedant Tewani There is no "you" or "me". The only reason you believe that is because you have the words to say it. This stuff ain't easy. Nothing is real. I'm not talking down to you, by the way. Just putting my 2 cents in.
the oldest gentleman is trying to agree and disagree with a continued back-ground chattering dialog. What a monumental tragedy that the merry-go-round is magnetically functional! This induces fear that I might become one of such being in the end. I have a feeling, the teacher is telling the end of the question and death are unitary. How shocking that info should have been!! if Shannon had heard it, the entropy of this info would have killed him on the spot.
10:30 Sure, UG is fun and entertaining, but I feel like listening to Alan Watts about this concept makes it so simple to understand. You make the universe every moment with the senses that create it's image in your mind and secondly through the representation you see and believe in.
If we start to -if we try to- talk together, we are going to compare our set of information: what I know, what you know. But if we start to sing together, something’s going to happen. Or if we fight, something’s going to happen. However, on the level of information, I cannot met you. Because my past experience is different and yours is different. You’ve been reading different books, I have different books. And so if we are comparing information.. there, we are never going to meet. But if we would simply be silent and sit together, as in a zen monastery.. ah, something happens.
