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U.S. NAVY AIR COMBAT TRAINING FILM BY WALT DISNEY FIXED GUNNERY APPROACHES 33014 

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The 1943 Navy training film (MN-84b) Fundamental Fixed Gunnery Approaches is part of a series known as the “Fixed Gunnery and Fighter Tactics” series used to enhance in-classroom learning of Navy pilots. Fundamental Fixed Gunnery Approaches primarily uses graphics and models to demonstrate the various approaches for fixed gunnery, though it does include some actual video footage of planes flying the maneuvers (13:08; 14:58; 24:18; 26:10; 30:37). An instructor discusses flying approaches (00:50) and how it is easy after hours and hours of training to successfully make those approaches. The same is true with fixed gunner approaches: pilots must practice constantly to become effective. The instructor discusses fixed gunnery approaches on an enemy bomber and covers four fundamental approaches: side approach, overhead approach, head-on approach, and stern approach. Graphics or animations are used to show proper timing of the approaches in order to arrive at the correct angle and distance required. First, the instructor reviews the side approach (03:40), covering protocol for a high (06:08), flat (09:50), and low (10:30) side approach. Graphics are also used to show how to run an overhead approach (14:07) and how to account for speed and altitude. The most common error with this approach is swinging too wide and passing through the vertical plane (footage from the gunner’s cockpit at 18:00 enhances this section). The head on approach (19:08) is rarely used by fixed gunners because time is so short; however, there are cases where this may be the only approach possible and should be part of a pilot’s skillset. The stern approach (21:08) is the simplest of all fixed gunner approaches, and it is typically only used against enemy fighter planes. The film concludes with footage of planes flying in formation (30:54).
Films like this one were a staple of the fighter pilot training schools, and did a great deal to improve the effectiveness of classroom lectures. Other films commonly used in the curriculum at this time included "Quizcraft" type films which showcased friendly and enemy aircraft types, in hopes of minimizing friendly fire incidents, and films about survival. Incidentally, this is by no means the only film created by Disney during the war, for the troops and homefront. Many animated segments from the Disney studios found their way into U.S. Government documentaries in this era, and the studio produced morale-boosting cartoons and instructionals throughout the war.
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@caseinnitratjr6861
@caseinnitratjr6861 6 лет назад
Finally a CGI free content from Disney again. Seriously, an informative, well-produced educational film where Disney's know-how comes to fruition. Thank you very much PeriscopeFilm for your work.
@jimtownsend7899
@jimtownsend7899 4 года назад
This is, in fact, John Smith "Jimmy" Thach, then a LCDR, F-4F Wildcat pilot, and inventor of the "Thach Weave" (note the spelling, not Thatch.) Any online search will yield a plethora of information on him and his subsequent career achievements, including the "Big Blue Blanket" strategy, but what struck me while watching this film is that though Disney produced it, Jimmy Thach sounds like he could have been the voice of Huckleberry Hound, a Hanna-Barbera production. (He wasn't; it was Daws Butler.) Still, once that popped into my head, it was difficult to focus on the film content.
@jimpollard9392
@jimpollard9392 3 года назад
When I went through the navy jet training pipeline in 1980/81, the air-to-air gunnery syllabus was taught in the intermediate phase. This was in T-2 Buckeyes. VT-26 at NAS Chase Field in Beeville, Texas had a number of T-2s with .50 caliber gun pods under each wing, an armament control panel in the front cockpit (on the floor forward of the stick), and a reflector gunsight. At that time period we didn't actually have permission to fire the guns (revoked for safety reasons, and I guessed that there had been an incident but I was never able to learn if this was the case or any details.) The gunnery range was a roped off piece of airspace off the southeast coast of Texas, over the gulf of Mexico. Gunnery events were typically a flight of four gunners and the target tow. The tow bird would take up a cardinal heading (N, E, S, or W) at 200 knots, 15,000 feet altitude. The target was a banner, 30 to 50 yards long IIRC, on a couple hundred foot length of cable. The only pattern taught was the high side pass, so I guess that was a fossil of one of the approaches discussed in the film. Gunners would break up and reform in trail formation, and fly up to the "perch" position for the start of a gunnery pass. The perch was a couple miles laterally from the target banner, stepped up a thousand feet. As each gunner (student) reached the perch, he'd make a radio call that he was rolling in. You'd roll just past 90 degrees and pull maybe 3 g's, a slicing turn down towards the target banner. Here began a test of judgement of relative motion. About half-way into the target, you'd reverse your turn, acquire the banner in the gunsight, and start tracking. The gunsight had some rudimentary motion prediction...based on a dialed in range and the g's you were pulling, it displayed a pipper where it thought your bullets would go. So that was the sum-total of my gunnery experience...trying to keep that pipper on the target as you screamed in towards it at 300 knots. It is NOT EASY. Another not easy part...recovery. You had to avoid target fixation. You'd come off your firing pass on a parallel course & slightly below the banner. Up the length of the tow cable past the tow plane, then a 4 g pull up and to the side, back to the perch. It was MANDATORY that you spotted the next gunner plane coming down on his approach. He's focusing on the target, so you have to be well clear as you pass him on your way back up to the perch. Lather, rinse, repeat, and after about an hour of this you really were lathered. A big figure 8 flight path relative to the tow banner. Yes, I've used exclusively male pronouns in this comment. It was 1981, and that's what it was.
@TheAirplaneDriver
@TheAirplaneDriver 3 года назад
Sounds like great fun! Exhausting I am sure, but still fun! No worries on the pronouns. I get it. I was in during the early 70’s. No women at all in the fleet then.
@kiwidiesel5071
@kiwidiesel5071 4 года назад
Just brilliant piece of film. Helped me hugely diagnosing some of my weak points in war thunder. Thanks for this gem😊
@ademwest934
@ademwest934 4 года назад
same man....thats why im watching it say......whats your war thunder tag?
@kiwidiesel5071
@kiwidiesel5071 4 года назад
@@ademwest934 alyssashannon my wt tag mate. I play via my ps4 so yeah I'm one of those console people😂😂
@ademwest934
@ademwest934 4 года назад
@@kiwidiesel5071 i attempted console......mine is ademwest39145
@kiwidiesel5071
@kiwidiesel5071 4 года назад
@@ademwest934 I will look you up when I take to the sky's in couple hours mate👍
@ademwest934
@ademwest934 4 года назад
@@kiwidiesel5071 ight man cant wait to see ya there.....bring yer best plane...mines a P-40 and a zero........im also somehow godlike with the reserve italian fighter-bomber the Ba-50.
@thejosephchrist
@thejosephchrist 2 года назад
Literally watching these to get better at War Thunder.
@vonfragesq7145
@vonfragesq7145 4 года назад
Is that Jimmy Thach? Creator of the "Thach weave"?
@johnnyhoran9369
@johnnyhoran9369 4 года назад
Gonna pick up some tricks for War Thunder.
@staspastukh2005
@staspastukh2005 4 года назад
OK
@truescotsman4103
@truescotsman4103 2 года назад
my first dream as a kid was to be a jet pilot. i lived in the san bernardino mountains and we would drive by march airforce base quite often and you could hear the jets from where i lived sometimes. this is cool stuff.
@chizzo777
@chizzo777 Год назад
And what happened to that dream?
@truescotsman4103
@truescotsman4103 Год назад
@@chizzo777 crazy childhood crazy parents. Dropped out as a teen.
@shaymcquaid
@shaymcquaid 2 года назад
That Wildcat boxing glove at the end was cool!
@pepperthedog7299
@pepperthedog7299 6 лет назад
Thank you for posting this film done by Disney! They were so active in WWII making instructional films. It would be great to see more by Disney if possible? Thank you!
@jimbeck553
@jimbeck553 2 года назад
Commander Thatch, the narrator made ten movies with Disney. Illuminated gun sight Gunnery approaches Snoopers Don't kill your friends Group tactics Offensive tactics Defensive tactics Escort Combat air Conclusion and summary
@jimbeck553
@jimbeck553 2 года назад
He also wrote and directed the narrative
@FinsaneLorist
@FinsaneLorist 4 года назад
15:54 that turn Radius, beautiful
@Doogie7626
@Doogie7626 5 лет назад
i think the instructor in this film is the famous jimmy thach usn of the thach weave
@greghilscher7631
@greghilscher7631 5 лет назад
Doogie7626 Yes indeed, it is Jimmy Thach. After Midway and before he returned to sea duty as ops officer for the fast carrier task forces he made some training films. Here’s a link where you can hear an oral history and recognize the same voice decades later.
@greghilscher7631
@greghilscher7631 5 лет назад
www.usni.org/press/oral-histories/thach-john
@workingtheworld68
@workingtheworld68 4 года назад
@@greghilscher7631 - with the soft spoken drawl could have sworn he was from Virginia. Arkansas is his native state however
@ranbymonkeys2384
@ranbymonkeys2384 3 года назад
I was waiting for Air Combat Training and you......
@ancientheart2532
@ancientheart2532 2 года назад
Altitude and airspeed baby!
@zerge69
@zerge69 4 года назад
OK NOW I´m gonna kick ass in Batllefield 5
@lotus4665
@lotus4665 3 года назад
Same bro,its time to kill those nazi bombers with the 75mm gun
@donf3877
@donf3877 5 лет назад
They forgot one thing.......... always test fire your guns while still packed in on the carrier waiting for take-off. That way you (and the planes in front of you) know for sure they work. Seriously, you can tell this film was put out later in the war when attempting to dogfight a Zero, or anything else Japanese for that matter, was a huge no-no. Everything in this film was flying THROUGH and getting the hell out of there, then if needed making another pass. That's one of the big reasons why the F6F, F4U, and P-38 were so much more effective. The Navy and Army Air Force and Marines changed the tactics. In the beginning the P-39, P-40, and F4F pilots flew according to standard procedures and tried to dogfight, with horrible results. Except in the Flying Tigers... they were taught these tactics before the war actually started with great results. BUT, by the time the later aircraft came along... most of the highly skilled and experienced Japanese pilots were already deep sixed by the earlier aircraft. So the newer aircraft racked up massive kills on less trained and less experienced pilots. It really ticks me off when people bad mouth the P-39, P-40, and F4F. They were good aircraft, and the US was still flying all of them right up to the end of the war. In fact, the F4F was extremely effective flying off the jeep carriers right to the end. The F6F could not take off from one of these short carriers without the use of a catapult, so they were usually only loaded when the jeep was used to rearm the big boys.
@timonsolus
@timonsolus 4 года назад
Good post. I would only add that the dive and zoom attack tactics made even more sense when the US fighters had tremendous numerical superiority over the Japanese, which they did in 1943-45. Flights of US fighters could simply take it in turns to attack, and then queue up for another pass, like a carousel. The earlier fighters in 1941-42 lacked superior numbers, lacked combat experienced pilots, and were facing a more difficult tactical situation, being on the defensive and often lacking a height advantage.
@SoloPilot6
@SoloPilot6 4 года назад
Uh . . .no. The film was specifically about attacking (slower) bombers and avoiding the fire from flexible gunners shooting back from the target. Rather than "getting the hell out of there," the follow-through from each pass is to get ahead of the target and make another pass.
@SoloPilot6
@SoloPilot6 4 года назад
For the other side of this same coin, check the gunnery film with Mel Blanc. Consider the humor in that this film is from Disney, and the other from Warner Brothers . . .
@slowpoke96Z28
@slowpoke96Z28 4 года назад
SoloPilot6 link?
@SoloPilot6
@SoloPilot6 4 года назад
@@slowpoke96Z28 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-vtgAyGa79F8.html
@mortenfrosthansen84
@mortenfrosthansen84 4 года назад
Hehehe.. upon clicking this video, a national commercial for Disney's Tarzan musical was skipped
@horrorationeilsen7332
@horrorationeilsen7332 5 лет назад
So the take-away from all this is that Johnny Carson is a Top Gun ??
@leroyabernathy9934
@leroyabernathy9934 5 лет назад
It's so easy! Simply time your approach speed, angle and altitude to perfectly coincide with the enemy's vulnerable spot and there you have it! It's surprising that everyone wasn't a multiple ace. It's not difficult, hell Annie Oakley could shoot out the eye of a squirrel at 100 yards with a 22 so why not you with a full battery of 50 cals? Okay already! So she never jumped upside down though a burning hoop of hot lead while she was doing it. It's no more than Practice! Practice! Practice! And how do we practice? In combat under live fire! So let's get out there and practice shooting down enemy aircraft as if they aren't zeroing in on your six.
4 года назад
@ger du Yeah, that reset button is a lifesaver!!
@eddiethemexiii
@eddiethemexiii Год назад
By theory it is easy, but in combat all of that can be affected by the pilots mental state and the aircraft he's approaching, as much the math is simple, actually using it in dogfighting would seem almost immensely super speed
@markprice1984
@markprice1984 Год назад
Dang, this is when Disney Corp was on the side of Americans!
@TheErilaz
@TheErilaz 4 года назад
I wonder how many boneheads fired at the tow plane and not the towed target sleeve 😲
@johncartwright8154
@johncartwright8154 4 года назад
Indeed...there is a tale from wartime RAF annals that a tug pilot that had some near misses due to over-deflection exclaimed; " I'm towing the bloody drogue, not pushing it you useless wankers!"
@onyourkilllist6880
@onyourkilllist6880 4 года назад
So what advice do they give the pilots after they find out they’re flying a POS wildcat?
@benn454
@benn454 4 года назад
Thach Weave until the Hellcats hit the fleet.
@phycoman4561
@phycoman4561 4 года назад
The new star wars looks strange
@mwbright
@mwbright 3 года назад
I was hoping to see Donald and Mickey.
@davidworsley7969
@davidworsley7969 4 года назад
I imagine that pilots watching this in WW2 would roll their eyes-Fair enough if the enemy stayed straight and level in a cloudless sky with no fighter support.
@KB4QAA
@KB4QAA 4 года назад
DW: Fighter pilot training is taught step by step in standard scenarios. Only when the basics are learned in sequence can free manuevering be practiced.
@deirdre108
@deirdre108 2 года назад
Well my golf game certainly improved by watching the first few minutes of this.
@drewsykes8231
@drewsykes8231 4 года назад
where’s Buzz Beurling when you need him
@Errorcutive
@Errorcutive 2 года назад
Does his deflection shot notes are saved in a museum somewhere ?
@HeadPack
@HeadPack 4 года назад
Great video. Pity about the distracting overlay.
@PeriscopeFilm
@PeriscopeFilm Год назад
Here's the issue: Tens of thousands of films similar to this one have been lost forever -- destroyed -- and many others are at risk. Our company preserves these precious bits of history one film at a time. How do we afford to do that? By selling them as stock footage to documentary filmmakers and broadcasters. If we did not have a counter, we could not afford to post films like these online, and no films would be preserved. It's that simple. So we ask you to bear with the watermark and timecodes. In the past we tried many different systems including placing our timer at the bottom corner of our videos. What happened? Unscrupulous RU-vid users downloaded our vids, blew them up so the timer was not visible, and re-posted them as their own content! We had to use content control to have the videos removed and shut down these channels. It's hard enough work preserving these films and posting them, without having to spend precious time dealing with policing thievery -- and not what we devoted ourselves to do. Love our channel and want to support what we do? You can help us save and post more orphaned films! Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/PeriscopeFilm Even a really tiny contribution can make a difference.
@dwoodkamp4550
@dwoodkamp4550 4 года назад
Didn't know they had email back in the days?😅 0:01
@BigDaddy-yp4mi
@BigDaddy-yp4mi 4 года назад
That wasn't a header opening credit or union listing you dummy, that's a MODERN introductory insert placed there for copyright claims (which they have since they restored the film, thereby invoking SOME copyright protections over THEIR restored version). And sadly, you're probably allowed to vote or make equally stupid jokes, no?
@royharris7299
@royharris7299 3 года назад
Could you add any more commercials here? My gosh!
@jfloresmac
@jfloresmac 4 года назад
I thought it was just hop on the plane, line them up and shoot. I guess I was wrong. But, here's a novel idea: why make the cockpit with so little visibility? Why not have windows on the bottom of the airplanes and on the sides so pilots always see more? Even today, airplanes have poor visibility looking down and to the sides, unlike helicopters. More windows could get more kills. Anyways, thank you for the educational film. I'll put it to good use when watching dogfights on YT. Saludos amigos
@benjamintpoon
@benjamintpoon 4 года назад
Maybe windows on the underside of the plane would also mean more pilots lost to ground-based anti-aircraft fire
@jimtownsend7899
@jimtownsend7899 4 года назад
Edigy Brother, when you said, "More windows could get more kills.", you don't know how right you were. But, not in the sense you thought. Plexiglas is lousy at stopping bullets and flak. Our fighter and attack aircraft, even today, have armor protection around the cockpit. The Wildcat and its follow on the Hellcat were flying tanks, and many a Zeke or Zero emptied their magazines trying to shoot one down. In the tradeoff between protection and visibility, always opt for protection. If you don't shoot down an enemy plane today, as long as you make it back home alive, you could always try again tomorrow. With visibility, that just increases your odds of seeing your last moments.
@ShadeAKAhayate
@ShadeAKAhayate 3 года назад
@@jimtownsend7899 Acshually, before F4's started booming and zooming, no amount of protection helped against Zero's onslaught. F4F rear armor could stop a machine gun bullet from long and sometimes, medium range -- and engine could stop a similar bullet from the front -- but side armor never was there. Also, fuel tank protection was present, unlike in early Zeroes.
@petelyczek5728
@petelyczek5728 4 года назад
Listening to this guy is strange when comparing this to the spoken truth by the highest german fighter aces. Each one had their own way and used it to their best results.
@jimmypeters
@jimmypeters 4 года назад
America stressed a standardized approach to adequately train as many pilots as possible in the shortest amount of time, likewise maximizing production of aircraft judged suitable. Soviet methods were similar, though somewhat cruder by necessity. The top American ace of the war, Richard Bong, had "only" 40 kills (all Japanese aircraft) but the Allies would of course eventually achieve Air Supremacy over both German and Japanese airspace despite the higher quantity kill totals of select German and Japanese pilots.
@hughmac13
@hughmac13 3 года назад
"This guy" is Jimmy Thach, a WWII combat aviator, air-combat tactician, and, eventually, an admiral in the USN. He is also the innovator of the Thach Weave. He knew what he was talking about.
@treypeters1087
@treypeters1087 Год назад
Who else is here for DCS
@its1110
@its1110 4 года назад
Dangit. You keep getting your logo and clock on top of the target plane.
@robcat2075
@robcat2075 4 года назад
"Periscope Films" claims to own this government-commissioned film? It is preposterous.
@whirledpeas3477
@whirledpeas3477 3 года назад
Why? Anyone can buy Govt. Surplus
@724bigal
@724bigal 3 года назад
@@whirledpeas3477 you can down load any and all these government films at the Nathional archives website for free. Locating exactly what you want can be difficult tho.
@frogisis
@frogisis 3 года назад
who else here from DCS World?
@alanhuband301
@alanhuband301 11 месяцев назад
Clock is annoying. Who needs to see 17 frames per second counted to the nearest 1/100 second?
@PeriscopeFilm
@PeriscopeFilm 11 месяцев назад
Here's the issue: Tens of thousands of films similar to this one have been lost forever -- destroyed -- and many others are at risk. Our company preserves these precious bits of history one film at a time. How do we afford to do that? By selling them as stock footage to documentary filmmakers and broadcasters. If we did not have a counter, we could not afford to post films like these online, and no films would be preserved. It's that simple. So we ask you to bear with the watermark and timecodes. In the past we tried many different systems including placing our timer at the bottom corner of our videos. What happened? Unscrupulous RU-vid users downloaded our vids, blew them up so the timer was not visible, and re-posted them as their own content! We had to use content control to have the videos removed and shut down these channels. It's hard enough work preserving these films and posting them, without having to spend precious time dealing with policing thievery -- and not what we devoted ourselves to do. Love our channel and want to support what we do? You can help us save and post more orphaned films! Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/PeriscopeFilm Even a really tiny contribution can make a difference.
@seavee2000
@seavee2000 3 года назад
Is this one of the rare Disney products that isn't woke?
@BaquePhotography
@BaquePhotography Год назад
Well its about fighting fascists', so yeah id say its pretty woke.
@123456yusuf
@123456yusuf 3 года назад
Thanks i just destroyed uss lexington
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